MSNBC Host: Romney accused of using racist code

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by TXGringo

Telling half-drunk stories around the campfire is equivalent to delving into the discrimination grab bag?

My old man always jokes about his time with HFD. Apparently, him and his buddies suffered from WHS, or "white male syndrome." You know, passed up for promotions, box and station assignments, etc...

For what it's worth, I agree that there will always be discrimination. But to imply that it only happens to minorities is truly laughable...

I'm pretty good at reading between the lines, but I missed the "half-drunk... around the campfire" part of your original post in this matter.

That said, sometimes people only reveal their true feelings when they're "half-drunk" or thereabouts, and yes, "joking" about suffering "WHS, or 'white male syndrome'" IS delving into the discrimination grab bag.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Are you joking?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem..._b_420165.html
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Sorry, my Brother. I don't accept the "HuffPo" as a legitimate source for truthful information!

[ZonieDiver]

He'll have to convince a GM and owner that he can lead a team to a championship - and all that goes along with that.

If winning championships, or even convincing a GM/owner that you CAN win a championship is a prerequisite for a head coaching job, how does one explain how the bulk of the coaches in the NBA got, and kept, their jobs?

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

If winning championships, or even convincing a GM/owner that you CAN win a championship is a prerequisite for a head coaching job, how does one explain how the bulk of the coaches in the NBA got, and kept, their jobs?

Luck.

ETA I had no idea how lucky - source Forbes.

The NBA’s Highest-Paid Coaches For 2011-12

Doc Rivers (Celtics): $7 million

Mike D’Antoni (Knicks-resigned): $6 million

Gregg Popovich (Spurs): $6 million

Nate McMillan (Trail Blazers): $5.5 million

Rick Adelman (Timberwolves): $5 million

Flip Saunders (Wizards-fired): $4.8 million

Rick Carlisle (Mavericks): $4.5 million

Mike Brown (Lakers): $4.5 million

Stan Van Gundy (Magic): $4.5 million

Scott Skiles (Bucks): $4.5 million

Found In Complete Coverage: The Business of Basketball

[TXGringo]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

I'm pretty good at reading between the lines, but I missed the "half-drunk... around the campfire" part of your original post in this matter.

That said, sometimes people only reveal their true feelings when they're "half-drunk" or thereabouts, and yes, "joking" about suffering "WHS, or 'white male syndrome'" IS delving into the discrimination grab bag.

I'll be sure to provide situational context in the future.

Suing the city because the "test is discriminatory" after you didn't study enough is delving. Joking with your buddies in the station is just that...

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by TXGringo

I'll be sure to provide situational context in the future.

Suing the city because the "test is discriminatory" after you didn't study enough is delving. Joking with your buddies in the station is just that...

Be sure to do that! Situational context could prove to be important in your chosen military career.

It is. No amount of later parsing can change it. Perhaps not to the same degree as other "complaints" but I didn't say how far they reached down into the grab bag, just that they "delved" into it.

[TXGringo]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Be sure to do that! Situational context could prove to be important in your chosen military career.

Understood.

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

It is. No amount of later parsing can change it. Perhaps not to the same degree as other "complaints" but I didn't say how far they reached down into the grab bag, just that they "delved" into it.

Fair enough. I'd argue they just peeked inside.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Sorry, my Brother. I don't accept the "HuffPo" as a legitimate source for truthful information!

Course not; what was I thinking?

[Scamilton]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Thank you for your timely intervention. Without it, this thread had no chance whatsoever of accomplishing what other discussions on this BB do -- bounce around all over the place as participants get a better sense of differing perspectives offered by members with different experiences.

I am especially grateful because I don't have to find and to watch Abdul-Jabbar's fight with Bruce Lee again. After all, we know that the best fight scene in the history of cinema took place in this film here.
Since when have Americans been satisfied to say "Well, they do it too so we may as well also"? MOO, the point of American exceptionalism is to set high standards for ourselves as a civilization, to do our damnedest to exceed those goals, and to not bow to the dictates of "nature."
A remarkable summation not only of American history during the 1960s, but the 1860s as well. Dozens of Americanists who have pondered for decades the cause of the Civil War and the reasons for the CSA's defeat can now put down their pens and mice. The answer to both questions: the liberals did it.

At no point did I say we should accept discrimination as someone merely exercising a natural instinct and move on forever. Nor did I try to summarize the Civil War and the civil rights movement within my handful of sentences. My statement was just that, a statement. A statement meant to remind the Democrats that they composed the majority of the slave owners in our country, and put forth, in my humble opinion, the most racist piece of crap ever with affirmative action.

[Scamilton]

And I would have to disagree and say that this is the best fight scene ever.



*The movie is funny and I do not think twice about the political stance it takes*

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Scamilton

A statement meant to remind the Democrats that they composed the majority of the slave owners in our country, and put forth, in my humble opinion, the most racist piece of crap ever with affirmative action.

Equating the Democratic Party of the mid nineteenth century with today's Democratic Party is an argument that works only as long as one does not study American political history and confines one's reading to the blogosphere.

When you say "the most racist piece of crap ever," IRT affirmative action, what were the other public policies on your short list?

MOO, one of the reasons why conservatives get saddled with charges of racism is because too many who sit on the right are content to offer policy analysis, historical interpretations, and statements that are intellectually unsustainable. But, by all means, let's just keep doing what we've been doing.

[Sarski]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

As I asked in a previous post, is the percentage of blacks in the overall population the relevant statistic? Or is the relevant statistic the percentage of the population of players and assistant coaches in the NBA who are black?

Both sets of statistics have relevancy. One cannot be discounted, they are dichotomies, IMO.

Do you mean a better argument or a better question? Or maybe a better argument phrased as rhetorical questions?

Meaning, statistically, the African American community would be underrepresented in this instance- why there are not more African Americans that own sports teams.

In any case, <<LINK>><<LINK2>><<LINK3>>. (The short answer, readily available using Google, is not enough investment capitol.)

Good stuff, and I would disagree with your assesment that there is not enough investment capitol, sir. Both Oprah Winfrey, and Bill Cosby could do it, again IMO, along with a host of others(granted some may have to pool their monies), however, I think the assesment should be that realistically it is a lousy investment with little promise of return, and heavy year to year losses.

These African Americans did not get where they are foolishly squandering away their money. In all probability, they are shrewd and hold onto every cent they can. It is money hard earned, and I don't think they will let it go so easily; or without a solid chance of gains.

Now, tying this into racisim: I do not deny that racism exists, and I certainly hope that through my posts in this thread I do not give the impression that I am racist (maybe uneducated/naive, but not racist). But the folks on these lists I don't believe subscribe to racist philosophies that some other African Americans may subscribe to in their view of caucasions. I don't think, and I am just speculating, that Oprah Winfrey feels "held down" by anyone of any race.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by TXGringo

I'll be sure to provide situational context in the future.

If your choice of 'smilies' is any sort of indication of your SA, your ideas of what 'situational awareness' may be might not quite be the same as ours.

Think about it.

Richard