02-06-2012, 17:10
|
#1
|
|
Asset
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Wheaton, IL
Posts: 5
|
tips for patrol leading
Quiet professionals:
As my bio reads, I am currently in ROTC studying to become an officer. I am a MSIII now and will be going to LDAC this summer. I have spent a lot of time studying patrol leading and listened as much as I can to my sergeant and officer instructors, so I feel quite competent in all the basic checklist type stuff for leading a patrol. I've also been on many FTXs and feel like I've seen some good and some bad patrols (as far as cadet land goes.)
The area I would like to most direct your attention is the planning/prep phase from receiving the OPORD through rehearsals and PCI, though execution of course is important.
What I would like to know are the little innovative tricks that can be used to accomplish the mission. I'm always trying to innovate one more thing that will let it go smoothly, and I thought to myself, "Who knows patrols better than the Quiet Professionals?"
So I thought I might ask if you gentlemen have any tricks that you've seen really work well. I know everything will be different in the real world, but maybe I can just jot down notes and think of any way to apply it to my training environment. I also don't want to make you feel like I'm cheating off of your hard work, hopefully we can think of this as passing hard-earned experience down to a future Army leader.
Most respectfully.
VanZwieten
|
|
VanZwieten is offline
|
|
|
02-06-2012, 17:36
|
#2
|
|
BANNED USER
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,751
|
I would start by looking in the Home> the Pipeline> 18A section.
I'd get a copy of a RANGER handbook, too.
Good luck at LDAC.
|
|
Dozer523 is offline
|
|
|
02-06-2012, 19:07
|
#3
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 5,222
|
You don't have enough experience for 'tricks'....tricks kind of come to you as you experience the feel for your enemy, when you get to know him and can play him against himself.
I've been an ROTC MSIII istructor at a University and then at summer camp.
1. keep it simple...you are working with other cadets.
2. Just the basics.
3. If everything goes to shit.... assault, be aggressive, decisive.
4. Keep it simple.
|
|
PRB is offline
|
|
|
02-06-2012, 19:32
|
#4
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Occupied Pineland
Posts: 4,701
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PRB
You don't have enough experience for 'tricks'....tricks kind of come to you as you experience the feel for your enemy, when you get to know him and can play him against himself.
I've been an ROTC MSIII istructor at a University and then at summer camp.
1. keep it simple...you are working with other cadets.
2. Just the basics.
3. If everything goes to shit.... assault, be aggressive, decisive.
4. Keep it simple.
|
Hmmm - Good advice for just about everywhere. Especially #1 and #4. Add stress, fatigue, hunger, etc. and even the most experienced Soldier will be almost as "obtuse" as an average cadet is normally.
__________________
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero (42B.C)
|
|
Peregrino is offline
|
|
|
02-06-2012, 20:43
|
#5
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tennesse
Posts: 766
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PRB
You don't have enough experience for 'tricks'....tricks kind of come to you as you experience the feel for your enemy, when you get to know him and can play him against himself.
I've been an ROTC MSIII istructor at a University and then at summer camp.
1. keep it simple...you are working with other cadets.
2. Just the basics.
3. If everything goes to shit.... assault, be aggressive, decisive.
4. Keep it simple.
|
Great advice.... I like #3, you don't see that advice as often as you would think.
|
|
scooter is offline
|
|
|
02-07-2012, 07:07
|
#6
|
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 117
|
Tips
Quote:
Originally Posted by PRB
You don't have enough experience for 'tricks'....tricks kind of come to you as you experience the feel for your enemy, when you get to know him and can play him against himself.
I've been an ROTC MSIII istructor at a University and then at summer camp.
1. keep it simple...you are working with other cadets.
2. Just the basics.
3. If everything goes to shit.... assault, be aggressive, decisive.
4. Keep it simple.
|
Great advice right there. You have to master the basics first.
__________________
Free Pineland
|
|
Santo Tomas is offline
|
|
|
02-07-2012, 09:59
|
#7
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Posts: 58
|
tips for patrol leading
One of the most important rules I learned about being a Patrol Leader in Ranger School was, "Don't ever violate the PRCS (Pricks) principle."
1. Planning
2. Reconnaissance
3. Control
4. Security
__________________
There is a fine line between being hardcore and being stupid. The key is knowing which side of the line you're standing on.
|
|
Warchief is offline
|
|
|
02-07-2012, 11:29
|
#8
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Southern Mo
Posts: 1,541
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warchief
One of the most important rules I learned about being a Patrol Leader in Ranger School was, "Don't ever violate the PRCS (Pricks) principle."
1. Planning
2. Reconnaissance
3. Control
4. Security
|
Long ago, when I went through Ranger School, the way we memorized this was:
"Puerto Ricans Suck C*&$ Continuously"
1. Planning
2. Reconnaissance
3. Security
4. Control
5. Common Sense
I'm sure the new politically correct version works better. No offense meant to my Puerto Rican brethren. Does make it pretty easy to remember though.
__________________
"And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods?"
Thomas Babington Macaulay
"One man with courage makes a majority." Andrew Jackson
"Well Mr. Carpetbagger. We got something in this territory called the Missouri boat ride."
Josey Wales
|
|
craigepo is offline
|
|
|
02-09-2012, 20:32
|
#9
|
|
Auxiliary
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 71
|
1 more
Just in case you're not already:
Task out your paragraphs in the WO
APL/PSG does 4, RTO does 5 and you do 1-3. You can have somebody else do 1, but I advise against it. This takes a load off you, shows you are delegating as you should and familiarizes your key guys with the plan (cause they are doing it!).
good luck.
|
|
Jefe is offline
|
|
|
02-11-2012, 01:38
|
#10
|
|
Asset
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Binghamton N.Y.
Posts: 5
|
While never having never been to LDAC, I do remember a peice of advice given to me by one of my MSIV's who made it into the double digits of the OML, right before I lead my first lane:
"Violence of action on the objective, and command presence. Its so simple that everyone forgets to make it a priority, but its F*cking vital. Get everyone hyped up! have'em do jumping jacks if you have too, but don't let them start just going through the motions or lull themselves into a relaxed state. If you let them do that, they won't snap out of it until the lane walker assigns the third casualty"
__________________
Before their mothers, Before their god, They will call on you.
-Unknown
|
|
NeverSayDie is offline
|
|
|
02-11-2012, 10:08
|
#11
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 24,780
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverSayDie
While never having never been to LDAC, I do remember a peice of advice given to me by one of my MSIV's who made it into the double digits of the OML....
|
This has got to be the beginning of some really solid advice and a great war story. 
Is there a shortage of professionals on this site with CIBs, SF and Ranger Tabs to dispense first-person patrolling advice?
TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
|
|
The Reaper is offline
|
|
|
02-24-2012, 03:00
|
#12
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: tampa, FL
Posts: 127
|
Dont ask for tricks, dont ask for advise. Learn from your mistakes, youll remember them more once you recycle. The lessons learned will follow you for the rest of your life and benifit you more when it counts OCONUS instead of G2'ing a situation or school. If young E-3's can learn and execute patrols so can you.
my .02 (2nd time mountain phase vet) 
|
|
zoolander6 is offline
|
|
|
02-25-2012, 22:58
|
#13
|
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Da South
Posts: 294
|
Oh how I miss LDAC....my first big "Army trip" away from home. I tried real hard to get those doctors to send me home those first couple of days. I clearly didn't know what I was getting myself into. Can't overstate how glad I am none of them listened to me.
For a CDT, I'd say that definitely violence of action and leadership presence will go a long, long ways. There will be a dearth of this at LDAC and in many other STX lanes you will participate in over the next however many years.
I don't want to say much more without some sort of green light from the Mods since this was posted under the SF questions board.
__________________
For Americans war is almost all of the time a nuisance, and military skill is a luxury like Mah-Jongg. But when the issue is brought home to them, war becomes as important, for the necessary period, as business or sport. And it is hard to decide which is likely to be the more ominous for the [terrorists] -- an American decision that this is sport, or that it is business.
-D. W. Brogan, The American Character
|
|
NoRoadtrippin is offline
|
|
|
04-15-2012, 19:07
|
#14
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Rockies
Posts: 40
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VanZwieten
Post...
|
LDAC? Seriously? I thought you went and figured it out on the fly- don't overthink it. And don't get lost.
|
|
ThinAir is offline
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:39.
|
|
|
Hybrid Mode
