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Old 01-29-2011, 04:33   #1
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U.S. Consular Worker May Be Charged for Killing Pakistani Assailants

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01...kistan-gunmen/

Always read the ROE's, boys... ( The ones in Pakistan are so ridiculous you may get killed if you obey them, however.)


ISLAMABAD– A U.S. consular worker has been remanded in police custody for six days after shooting dead two armed assailants in Pakistan.

Raymond Davis may face murder charges after the pair approached him on a motorcycle shortly after withdrawing money from an A.T.M. in the eastern city of Lahore on Thursday.

Police say Davis believed the men intended to rob him in his car in a crowded street. He apparently produced a Bareta and opened fire.

One gunman was killed at the scene by four separate shots. The second died later in hospital from three rounds.

A third Pakistani was killed by a U.S. consulate S.U.V. as it rushed to Davis’s aid after he apparently called the mission for help. The consulate says it will surrender the vehicle and the driver to police for the official investigation.

Friday in a Lahore military court, Davis apologized to the two men’s families.

In a two-sentence statement Friday, the U.S. embassy confirmed that a consulate staffer "was involved in an incident yesterday that regrettably resulted in the loss of life."

The U.S. was working with Pakistanis to "determine the facts and work toward a resolution," it said.

But a Pakistani police officer described Davis, said to be from Virginia, as a “security official” at the Lahore consulate while others said he called himself a “technical adviser” to the authorities.

As foreign mission worker he enjoys diplomatic immunity but Davis’s case is complicated by a ban on foreigners from carrying weapons in Pakistan and by local self-defense laws.Under Pakistani law one can only act in self-defense if attacked first. Merely being approached by someone wielding a gun is insufficient cause under law for the victim to pull the trigger. Also, when firing in self-defense it is only admissible to aim at non-life threatening parts of the assailant's body, such as arms or legs.

The killings complicate further an already fraught relationship the United States has with Pakistan, its most important ally in fighting terrorism and Islamic militancy.

Pakistani deaths at American hands are an immensely emotive issue here, where relentless CIA drone strikes aimed at insurgents have claimed the lives of hundreds of civilians in the past two years.

In recent weeks there have been rallies countrywide involving thousands of protesters, angry at the attacks that they view as an invasion of national sovereignty and resentful of the US-led occupation of Afghanistan which is often sold by radicals as an American war on Islam.

The U.S. Sate Department has just embarked on renewed efforts to improve America’s image with the Pakistan public amid tensions with the country’s government and the de facto ruling military.

The local provincial law minister, Rana Sanaullah, said no US pressure would be allowed to influence Davis’s case, should it come to a criminal court.

“We will not accept any pressure in this case. The guilty will be punished and the innocent will get justice,” he told reporters.
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Old 01-29-2011, 05:04   #2
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I know the whole system there is fair and no curroption involved. We should make them a deal. They hand him over unharmed and we will refain from nuking their piss ant country into non existance. We get him back level the place anyway.

Sorry for the rant. it is 0300, I can't sleep and am in an ill mood.

EDIT: BTW, don't they teach people how to dig deep holes in collage. *evil laugh*

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Old 02-01-2011, 14:17   #3
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1. He is not with DSS (just want to get that out of the way for those thinking that with the "security official" thing).

2. This is what happens when you don't follow the contigency plans in place when the shit hits the fan. And that's about all I'm at liberty to discuss.
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Old 02-01-2011, 14:41   #4
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If he is on a Dip passport and they refuse to release him, there should be some serious repercussions.

The alleged Pak requirements to have to wait for assailants to shoot at you first and then aim for their legs probably explains the losses of several prominent Paks to assassins and the inability of their PSDs to protect them.

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Old 02-01-2011, 14:48   #5
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...hard to hit those moving arms and legs?

I guess he missed.
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Old 02-01-2011, 18:15   #6
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There is more to diplomatic immunity than just having a diplomatic passport. There are different layers of diplomatic immunity (i.e. diplomatic vs. consular), and it isn't always a blanket. Under the circumstances in this case, he may not be covered. Which makes following SOP post-incident all the more important.
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former U.S. Special Forces soldier held in the shooting deaths of two Pakistanis
Old 02-10-2011, 09:16   #7
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former U.S. Special Forces soldier held in the shooting deaths of two Pakistanis

This is not a good thing here.

Hate to see where this will go. Not much here too, which is good. I have heard that PAK-TB is calling for a public hanging and open confession over UAV strikes.

Story here
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:43   #8
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Hope they get him the hell out of there...
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Old 02-10-2011, 16:14   #9
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This is not a good thing here.

Hate to see where this will go. Not much here too, which is good.
There's quite a bit of "news" on the web unfortunately. There is a story in the UK Telegraph by Rob Crilly that isn't good. I will not post it here.
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Old 02-10-2011, 19:43   #10
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There's quite a bit of "news" on the web unfortunately. There is a story in the UK Telegraph by Rob Crilly that isn't good. I will not post it here.
Yeah I saw that one earlier today.. Whole thing is a joke. When I was there you had to really watch you foot placement.. Land mines everywhere... Pun intended.

As Far as working there.. Everyone is told their set of rules based off their job. BLUF - DSS and a select few are the only People that carry in Pakistan. Not a nice rule, but that is theirs. I not think this guy had a carry permit. But as TR said.. better than being Dead. I don't think he followed the set SOP for Country and/or his City.

It has been a long time since this happen so I have my assumptions.
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bad situation all around
Old 02-14-2011, 08:14   #11
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bad situation all around

Police report has been released...

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ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN - A Pakistani police report says a U.S. Embassy official jailed in the killing of two Pakistani men is "guilty" of murder, citing investigators' findings that the official shot each victim five times, including in their backs, and lied to police about how he arrived at the scene.
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The five-page report, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, spells out law enforcement authorities' case against the official, Raymond Davis, whom the police chief in the city of Lahore two days ago accused of "cold-blooded murder." The former Army Special Forces soldier has said that he fired in self-defense as the men tried to rob him.

The report says that although the men were armed, no witnesses saw them point weapons at Davis. The top U.S. official in Lahore, Carmela Conroy, disputed that Friday, saying police did not consider what she deemed witness accounts of the stickup, which were aired on Pakistani television in the days after the shooting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021301279.html

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Old 02-14-2011, 17:35   #12
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I've got a bad feeling that this guys going to get screwed.............. I just don't trust Obama's people to fight for his release......... I just don't trust him fighting to get this guy out,I'm sorry but I think he'll let just let the Packie's try him...... I hope I'm wrong...........

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CIA contractor indicted
Old 03-16-2011, 05:33   #13
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CIA contractor indicted

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110316/...FraXN0YW5jb3Vy

This is not good. I hope there is a way to get him out of there.
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Wiseman - have you been following the two threads on this issue over in the Mid East section of the board.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:23   #15
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Yes I followed it. My apologies for this repost, can the moderators move my update to that particular thread?

Done - do we need to change your username? Richard
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