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Old 07-12-2010, 14:47   #1
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WP grad killed at Costco in NV because he was carrying CCW

Erik Scott was an acquaintance of mine from years past. He was carrying a weapon, someone freaked out and the police overreacted and killed him. It's a travesty - especially now that the police seem to be lying. If you read in the comments there are plenty of people who were there and saw the entire thing. His girlfriend was with him, he was minding his own business browsing Costco. He was an entirely decent and wonderful man.

I'm just sick over it and I fear for good men and women who carry legally.


3 Officers Involved in Shooting at Summerlin Costco
Posted: Jul 10, 2010 1:32 PM PDT Updated: Jul 12, 2010 10:14 AM PDT
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LAS VEGAS -- Three Las Vegas police officers were involved in a shooting at a Costco near Charleston and Pavilion Center in northwest Las Vegas.

Police have released few details about the shooting, but say the suspect was shot by three officers while exiting the store, He died from his injuries. Friends and family members say the suspect is Erik Scott, a West Point graduate, and in his 30's. One friend said Scott was at Costco to pick up a prescription.

"The individual was shot -- its out in the open area right near the tire store. He was transported to UMC where he was pronounced dead at that point," said Metro Capt. Patrick Neville. "He had a weapon on him. I know the question is going to come up. The weapon is laying right out in front of the store. We also found another weapon when we transported him to the hospital."

The incident happened just before 1 p.m. Saturday. Police were called when Costco workers saw the suspect destroying merchandise inside the store. Someone noticed the suspect had a gun and store security evacuated customers and employees.

Police say when they approached the suspect, he drew a weapon and pointed it at officers. After refusing to drop the weapon, three officers fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect numerous times.

Costco employee Brenda Franklin says the scene was frightening. "We were told to immediately evacuate the store. No one told us why. They just told us to get out of the store. We immediately dropped what we were doing and exited. As soon as I got to the front door, I heard about five shots," she said.

There were no other reports of injuries. Officers credited the Costco security staff for evacuating everyone out of the store in a timely manner.

The officers are on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. The confirmed identity of the suspect will be released by the Clark County Coroner's Office.

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291
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Old 07-12-2010, 15:03   #2
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Another article saying basically the same thing - no witnesses saw anything to merit a shooting:


http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...-98223884.html
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Old 07-12-2010, 15:04   #3
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Please accept my condolences for your loss.

I guess this adds emphasis to the need to maintain good concealment.
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Old 07-12-2010, 15:22   #4
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I had just been reading this on GlockTalk where the thread is a bit longer, there was a post containing what claimed to be a second hand account from a friend of his girlfriend saying that your friend reached to pull his shirt up or something along those lines and was shot. It is a sad story, hopefully the security tapes are released so we know what happened.
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Old 07-12-2010, 15:49   #5
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I’m sorry for your loss Shar

Rest in peace Mr. Scott. Prayers out to family and friends

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Police say when they approached the suspect, he drew a weapon and pointed it at officers. After refusing to drop the weapon, three officers fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect numerous times…
It appears someone is trying to CYA… Gun shy Po Po these days seem to me a whole lot more dangerous than civilians with CCW permits.

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RIP.

Sorry for your loss, Shar.

You can bet there is a video if it happened at the entrance to the store.

I will wait for the investigation.

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I'll wait until an investigation is conducted. Not enough confirmed info yet.
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My condolences, Shar, to you and all affected by the loss of this man.

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Old 07-12-2010, 16:29   #10
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I’m sorry for your loss Shar

Rest in peace Mr. Scott. Prayers out to family and friends



It appears someone is trying to CYA… Gun shy Po Po these days seem to me a whole lot more dangerous than civilians with CCW permits.



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A lot of this case will depend on what he was actually doing in the store to warrant the Police showing up. What the Police were told over their Radios when called. What they thought was the suspects intent.......
If he lifted up his shirt so they could see a Gun. Thats pretty much the definition of brandishing a Weapon. Police don't have to wait until a Weapon is pointed at them. Police Academy's teach Police to be much more aggressive then they did in years past.
If police approached you. Never show them a Weapon on your body. I would not even tell them I had a Gun. Simply do what they say. Then when they have control of you. Then tell them your carrying. A lot more to this story thou I'm sure.
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Old 07-12-2010, 16:50   #11
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This has obviously been bothering me a lot - I called and talked to my husband about it and he said the same thing I think a lot of you are thinking -

He should have put his hands up. No questions, no hesitation.

It just bothers me that the entire thing went down the way it did. There has to be video and I'm sure it will be very enlightening. I haven't seen him in about 15 years, but I don't think he's changed that much based on what I've heard from other friends and read. I think he was a good guy who assumed that the cops would immediately understand he was a good guy so he didn't posture himself as he should have in this situation - as a bad guy.

The lesson I bring away from it is that it doesn't matter how "good" you are or how right you are or how otherwise peaceful and normal a suburban situation you are you in - when guns and police are involved you comply - no explanations, no questions. I guess I could totally see myself trying to explain the situation or continue to try and convince someone of my "goodness" as things escalate so wildly out of control. The facts might bear out something else, but I honestly believe one mistake (not complying to the letter) killed him.

It just makes me sad - especially for those who love him that are left behind to deal with the mess.

Also, I hope this case doesn't become some gun banning rally cry. I really like knowing that good, trained people - like those on this board - are out there with weapons in case things go bad.
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Old 07-12-2010, 17:09   #12
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A lot of this case will depend on what he was actually doing in the store to warrant the Police showing up. What the Police were told over their Radios when called. What they thought was the suspects intent.......
If he lifted up his shirt so they could see a Gun. Thats pretty much the definition of brandishing a Weapon. Police don't have to wait until a Weapon is pointed at them. Police Academy's teach Police to be much more aggressive then they did in years past.
If police approached you. Never show them a Weapon on your body. I would not even tell them I had a Gun. Simply do what they say. Then when they have control of you. Then tell them your carrying. A lot more to this story thou I'm sure.
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Is that true for all PD's? If so that scares the s*** out of me because I have already gone through 2 dui checkpoints when I was CCW. I informed the officer that I was carrying and it wasn't a problem, but that makes me nervous. What about open carry then because I do that when I'm hunting.

Shar.

I'm sorry for your loss, I just lost one of my best friends 2 weeks ago in a car wreck. I feel your pain of losing your friend in a tragic way.
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:09   #13
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I would not even tell them I had a Gun. Simply do what they say. Then when they have control of you. Then tell them your carrying. A lot more to this story thou I'm sure.
This part could, at the very least, lead to your losing your permit here in NE. If you've got a CCW permit, you're required by law to inform the police at the beginning of any official contact. It'll also come up on their terminal when they run your ID. Again, that's here in NE. But I'd do the same thing anywhere. At the onset of official contact, keeping hands visible and at no time reaching for the weapon: "I'm required by law to inform you that I have a concealed carry permit and that I am carrying a firearm. What would you like me to do, sir?" Then follow the cop's instructions.

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Old 07-12-2010, 23:51   #14
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Here's the version of the story I received: http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...-98223884.html.

I went to a very small high school with Erik and his younger brother, Kevin. Erik was 3 years ahead of me, but he was a standup individual then, a mentor to a friend of mine while at USMA, and a friend and an inspiration to most in our school.

I know it's been a long time since I've seen him, longer than Shar, but I think it would be ABSOLUTELY out of character for Erik to have destroyed merchandise or brandish a weapon to individuals in the store--causing the police response. I guarantee this will be deemed a bad shoot, which means nothing at this point because we have lost a great individual.

My prayers go out to his family and friends.
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Old 07-13-2010, 00:47   #15
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This is a terrible situation all the way around, my condolence and sympathy to the family and friends of Mr. Scott.
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