03-01-2012, 12:06
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SHERIFF JOE TO RELEASE 'INVESTIGATION' OF OBAMA...
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/media-fin...o-eligibility/
This could be interesting, or it could be a total Flop. Investigation into Obama's eligibility as president under the Constitution. It will stream live today, starting at 3pm EST.
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03-01-2012, 15:04
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"President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery, not a scan of an original 1961 paper document as represented by the White House when the long-form birth certificate was made public," Arizona's Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said at a press conference today in Phoenix.
This is the major preliminary finding of a six-month ongoing Sheriff's Cold Case Posse law enforcement investigation into the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and his eligibility to be president.
Having developed probable cause to believe the long-form birth certificate was most likely a computer-generated forgery, investigators began examining other evidence of President Obama's life history.
Investigators additionally have developed credible evidence suggesting:
• President Obama's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery, revealed by an examination of the postal date stamp on the document;
• Records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama's birth, including the dates Aug. 1, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961.
Beginning in October 2011, the Sheriff's Cold Case Posse, consisting of former law enforcement officers and lawyers with law enforcement experience, examined dozens of witnesses and hundreds of documents, as well as taking numerous sworn statements from witnesses around the world.
In August 2011, 250 members of the Surprise, Arizona, Tea Party, residents of Maricopa County, presented a signed petition asking Sheriff Arpaio to undertake the investigation.
The Tea Party members petitioned under the premise that if a forged birth certificate was utilized to obtain a position for Barack Obama on the 2012 Arizona presidential ballot, their rights as Maricopa County voters could be compromised.
The Cold Case investigators further determined that the Hawaii Department of Health has engaged in what Sheriff's investigators believe is a systematic effort to hide from public inspection whatever original 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health may have in their possession.
"Officers of the Hawaii Department of Health and various elected Hawaiian public officials may have intentionally obscured 1961 birth records and procedures, to avoid having to release to public inspection and to the examination of court-authorized forensic examiners any original Obama 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health may or may not have," said Mike Zullo, the lead investigator in Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse.
The Cold Case investigators have not yet determined who, when, or precisely how the long-form computer-generated birth certificate released on April 27 may have been forged, but investigators say the evidence contained in the computer-generated PDF file released by the White House as well as important deficiencies in the Hawaii process of certifying the long-form birth certificate establish probable cause that a forgery has been committed.
The Cold Case Posse investigators advised Sheriff Arpaio that the forgers most likely committed two crimes: first, in fraudulently creating a forgery that the White House characterized, knowingly or unknowingly, as an officially produced governmental birth record; and second, in fraudulently presenting to the residents of Maricopa County and to the American public at large a forgery the White House represented as "proof positive" of President Obama's authentic 1961 Hawaii long-form birth certificate.
"A continuing investigation is needed to identify the identity of the person or persons involved in creating the alleged birth certificate forgery, and to determine who, if anyone, in the White House or the state of Hawaii may have authorized the forgery," Arpaio said.
Among the evidence released at the press conference were five videos the Cold Case Posse produced to demonstrate why the Obama long-form birth certificate is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery.
The videos consisted of step-by-step computer demonstrations using a control document.
The videos were designed to display the testing used by the investigators to examine various claims made by supporters of the April 27 document.
The videos illustrate point-by-point the investigators' conclusion that the features and anomalies observed on the Obama long-form birth certificate were inconsistent with features produced when a paper document is scanned, even if the scan of the paper document had been enhanced by Optical Character Recognition (OCR) and optimized.
Additionally, the videos demonstrated that the Hawaii Department of Health Registrar's name stamp and the Registrar's date stamp were computer-generated images imported into an electronic document, as opposed to actual rubber stamp imprints inked by hand or machine onto a paper document.
"That we were able to cast reasonable suspicions on the authenticity of the Registrar stamps was especially disturbing, since these stamp imprints are designed to provide government authentication to the document itself," Zullo said, stressing that if the Registrar stamps are forgeries, the document itself is likely a forgery.
The investigators also chronicled a series of inconsistent and misleading representations that various Hawaii government officials have made over the past five years regarding what, if any, original birth records are held by the Hawaii Department of Health.
"As I said at the beginning of the investigation," Arpaio said, "the president can put all this to rest quite easily. All he has to do is demand the Hawaii Department of Health release to the American public and to a panel of certified court-authorized forensic examiners all original 1961 paper, microfilm, and computer birth records the Hawaii Department of Health has in its possession."
Arpaio further stressed the Hawaii Department of Health needs to provide, as part of the full disclosure, evidence regarding the chain of custody of all Obama birth records, including paper, microfilm, and electronic records, in order to eliminate the possibility that a forger or forgers may have tampered with the birth records.
Arpaio went on to say the President should also authorize Kapiolani Hospital, the birth hospital listed on the Obama long-form birth certificate, to release any and all hospital patient records for Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, his mother, and for the newly born Barack Obama, in order to provide additional corroboration for the original 1961 birth records held in the Hawaii Department of Health vault.
"Absent the authentic Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other credible proof supporting the idea or belief that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as he and the White House have consistently asserted," Zullo said.
"In fact, absent the authentication of Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other proof he was born anywhere within the United States."
Arpaio concluded the press conference by suggesting a congressional investigation might be warranted and asked that any other law enforcement agency with information referencing this investigation be forwarded to his office.
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03-01-2012, 19:32
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test it yourself and draw your own conclusions
If you have illustrator/bridge installed go ahead and watch the video and then download the birth cert and try it yourself!
If all you have is reader you can still zoom to 1600%, and the altered images becomes very obvious. It actually leaves little doubt that what is posted on the WH site is not a scanned copy of an original.
http://tinyurl.com/7su2zdw
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03-01-2012, 19:42
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Just in time for Super Tuesday.
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03-01-2012, 19:42
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Nothing to see here America. Just move along.
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03-01-2012, 20:12
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This "fluff-n-stuff" focus is - IMO - making American conservatives appear as if they are nothing more than an all-star cast in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest II - and as my wife is wont to say, "Perception is reality." Sad and maddening...because it merely fuels the fires of the "left's narrative" and only furthers the possibility of yet another four years of the incumbent and his administration.
Personally, I cannot formulate an expression using tangible words from any language that would even begin to express just how much this inanity pisses me off and makes me want to yell, "The issues, stupid! Stick with the issues!"
And so it goes...
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03-01-2012, 20:20
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Sheriff Joe might be 100% correct, but most people could care less where he was born, if he is an imposter, a real life Manchurian candidate or whatever. So right or wrong I don't think it is going to make any difference. The only thing I see coming out of this is Sheriff Joe will be know as a silly old man, who discriminates against Mexicans and who has come out as birther.
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03-01-2012, 20:34
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03-01-2012, 21:05
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It is shameful when there is blatant societal apathy in the face of so many facts. When the truth, or at least the perceived " provable circumstance" is dismissed as not even BEING an issue...especially given the track record of destruction and dismantling this country has endured for the past three years.
To be able to rightfully disqualify someone off of an upcoming ballot based on the Constitution of our Country, a document which has been mercilessly dismissed and ignored over the previous 36 months, would be a tremendous opportunity for the United States of America.
"Crazed Birther's" be damned...why must they choke on the truth?
Perhaps if they were taken seriously 4 years ago, and the candidates were properly vetted, many of today's "current issues" would be significantly different.
In every effort of importance the same mantra is recited..."Theories are fine, now prove it". People have been making very compelling arguments for the evidence to back their claims...in defense of that evidence, millions of dollars have been spent to block the release of documents, seal personal and professional records, and little more than verbal dismissals have been offered and received as gospel.
Fool us once, shame on you...fool us twice...
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03-01-2012, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Richard
Personally, I cannot formulate an expression using tangible words from any language that would even begin to express just how much this inanity pisses me off and makes me want to yell, "The issues, stupid! Stick with the issues!"
And so it goes...
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I couldn't disagree more. I am not a conspiracy theorist and, until today, thought the birthers were out of their minds. I watched those videos and found them to be extraordinarily compelling. Compelling enough to warrant a congressional investigation as Arpaio suggests. If we say "there is nothing we can do about it" or "he's already president, why not focus on winning the election" we.re lost. If true, a complete fraud, not just an empty suit foisted upon us, has been perpetrated against the American people.
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03-01-2012, 21:45
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Fool us once, shame on you...fool us twice...
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The problem is the fools are now the majority (at least those that vote).
For example, here is a response from retired school teacher who claims to be an Independent and gets all of her "news" from MS-KKK and PuffHo).
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Are you kidding me!!!! The birth certificate again.. I will be so glad when the Republicans can sort out a candidate and I and thousands of us can finally vote for President Obama.
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She cannot get that it is not a Republican or a Democrat issue but rather an American issue. She refuses to read/view, let alone consider anything that does not fit her established doctrine.
Too many "informed" people have entrenched themselves into their camps and are unwilling to even consider another point of view and happily lap up the pablum at their feel good biased media of choice.
And Richard - I understand your valid points, but this is an issue!
So continues the hair-pulling, rending of cloth, gnashing of teeth and hoarse yelling!
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03-01-2012, 22:20
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Originally Posted by sinjefe
I couldn't disagree more. I am not a conspiracy theorist and, until today, thought the birthers were out of their minds. I watched those videos and found them to be extraordinarily compelling. Compelling enough to warrant a congressional investigation as Arpaio suggests. If we say "there is nothing we can do about it" or "he's already president, why not focus on winning the election" we.re lost. If true, a complete fraud, not just an empty suit foisted upon us, has been perpetrated against the American people.
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Unfortunately, hes back on the Georgia ballot: http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-poli...o-1330300.html
The good thing is that this may set some sort of precedent for other states where there may be a successful challenge, you can't be president of a union that isn't a union...
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03-01-2012, 23:28
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President B. H. Obama & his SSN?
Everyone who files a Federal Income Tax Return must include their Taxpayer Identification Number which for most U S citizens is their SSN. Since the POTUS files a personal federal tax return probably a IRS Form 1040 his SSN/ Taxpayer Identification Number must be included in the label part of the return. I believe that The POTUS has his return made public. The SSN will probably be redacted, for privacy reasons, However if anyone can get just the first 3 digits of his SSN it will indicate where that number was issued eg. 042 was issued to a select few residents of the state of CONNECTICUT; Within each area, the group number the middle 2 digits range from 01 to 99 but are not assigned in consecutive order. For administrative reasons, group numbers issued first consist of the ODD numbers from 01 thru 09 and then EVEN numbers from 10 through 98, within each area number allocated to a state. After all numbers in group 98 of a particular area have been issued, The EVEN groups 02 through 08 are used, followed by ODD groups 11 through 99. The middle 2 digits can indicate a time frame that the SSN was issued. The last 4 digits within each group run consecutively froom 0001 throurgh 9999. It would be interesting to see the first 5 digits of Obama's SSN. Regard's, TK
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03-02-2012, 05:45
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Unless his wife claims him as a dependent .
All bad jokes aside. Even if he want born outside the US his mother being a US citizen PROBABLY gives him citizenship. At one time a woman that married a foreign national gave up her citizenship and had to apply to become a citizen. I know of someone who grandmother that happened to about 1915 or so. Was that the case in 1961? I don't know. I wonder if the certificate list him as white? That would be a deal killer for his image.
The videos do bring up some interesting questions. If it were me I would hold a press conference at the hall of records and get on CNN me getting my legit birth cert just to put it to rest, but then again there are several other odd documents as well.
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The issue would be where he was born AND the fact that his father's nationality was not US.
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03-02-2012, 07:00
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Originally Posted by sinjefe
The issue would be where he was born AND the fact that his father's nationality was not US.
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Really? Maybe this can help.
Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution states:
Article II: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
But Obama is a natural-born citizen, even if he were not born within this country's borders, since one parent was a citizen at the time of his birth. As a congressional act approved on 26 March 1790 states:
Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llsl/001/0200/02280104.tif
Another congressional act in 1795 issued a similar assurance, though it changed the language from "natural born citizen" to just "citizen."
But the State Department clarifies the issue, saying that the 1790 language is honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. And even "IF" he was born outside the US - which I personally don't believe to be the case - this is the law as it is applied to:
• Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
• Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
And as far as SSANs go:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html
Guess there's no chase as exciting as a wild goose chase - or a Loch Ness monster chase - or an Area51 UFO chase - or a remake of the "X Files" by TCM (Teaparty Conspiracy Movies) - or...but at what cost...
Now - about those 'REAL' issues...
And so it goes...
Richard
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