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Warrior-Mentor 12-05-2009 06:12

Binghamton Middle Eastern Studies Professor Murdered
 
This story is interesting...little coverage of a Grad Student on a U.S. campus killing his professor in broad day light.
No mention of the suspect's name, which is clearly known to the students and/or campus police and
could easily be discovered by the reporters, yet it isn't reported...

What could possibly be the motive? Bad grades?

MORE TO FOLLOW...

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Professor Passes Away After Stabbing at Binghamton University
WBNG News
Dec 4, 2009

Violence strikes the Binghamton University campus in Vestal.

As a professor passed away after being attacked by a student.

A Binghamton University professor is dead tonight after being stabbed by an anthropology student.

It happened around 1:45 pm Friday in the Science 1 Building on campus.

This is video of the hallway where the incident happened.

A witness tells Action News that an older male graduate student entered the office of professor Richard Antoun and then stabbed him.

The witness also says she saw campus police tackle the assailant to the ground, then emergency service workers rushed to Antoun's side to treat him.

"We waited, he came out of the office after about ten minutes, they were doing chest compressions, it didn't really look good. It was an anthropology grad student who was doing middle eastern studies I believe," said BU Senior Devin Sheppard.

Campus officials say the suspect in custody, but have yet to release his name.

University Police and the New York State Police continue to investigate.

Science 1 will remain closed until noon Saturday, at which time access to the building will be allowed, except in the area of the investigation.

University President Lois DeFleur issued this statement about Antoun's death earlier this evening:

"This afternoon, in an act of senseless violence, the Binghamton University community lost one of its long-time faculty members...Our hearts go out to the Antoun family and we will provide them with as much assistance as we can in this time of sorrow," said DeFleur.

Governor David Paterson also released a statement saying quote:

"He touched the lives of many students and was respected by his colleagues. Though he will be missed on campus, he will live on in his writing, his research and his students, whose lives he forever changed," Paterson says.

The University is offering assistance to any member of the campus community affected by Antoun's death.

SOURCE:
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/78538247.html

VESTAL -- A longtime Binghamton University anthropology professor was stabbed to death inside a BU science building this afternoon. Campus police have a male suspect in custody, but had not charged him as of 5 p.m.

Professor Emeritus Richard T. Antoun, 77, of Vestal died Friday afternoon after being taken to Wilson Hospital in Johnson City, where he was rushed after being attacked inside BU’s Science 1 building.

Professors who were in the building at the time said Antoun was stabbed by a graduate student. Police took the student into custody in the building shortly after the attack. They had not released his name Friday afternoon.

University officials said there is no danger to students or others on the Vestal campus as a result of the incident, but urged the campus community Friday afternoon to stay clear of the Science I building, which was to remain closed until noon Saturday. Students were notified about the stabbing by text message from the university.

It was unclear Friday evening when the suspect might be arraigned. Vestal Supervisor Peter Andreasen said an arraignment would not necessarily have to take place in Vestal, because two state agencies – the State Police and University Police – are involved.

Antoun was stabbed four times with a 6-inch kitchen blade inside a campus office, according to police radio transmissions.

Devin Sheppard, a BU student, said she heard from students who were in the Science Building that campus police had tackled the assailant.

“The police asked the grad student, ‘did you just stab him,” and he said yes,” Sheppard said.

Antoun was rushed from the building on a wheeled stretcher and loaded into a Harpur’s Ferry ambulance that was parked on a walkway outside the building.

BU President Lois DeFleur condemned the slaying as “an act of senseless violence.”

She said counselors would be on duty at the University Counseling Center until 8 p.m., or by calling (607) 777-2772. Counselors will also be available throughout the weekend by calling 777-2393.

A number of students around the Science building Friday afternoon said they weren't certain what had happened, nor did they know why the hallway near Antoun's office had been closed off with yellow police tape. Several said they have not registered with the university to receive text messages notifying them of emergencies.

Some classes continued to take place during the afternoon inside the building, which is on the eastern edge of the BU quadrangle not far from the Bartle library. There are no classrooms in the section of the building where the stabbing occurred.

“It's kind of scary because it’s so close,” said Jacqui Boroda, 21, a BU senior. She works at Jazzmans, a coffee house in BU’s Academic Building B, which is next to Science I. She said her boss saw the police heading into the building with guns drawn.

Professors and students said the mood in the building was one of shock and fear.

“It’s scary as hell,” said Peter Knuepfer, an associate professor of geological sciences who works in Science I. “It’s another one of those things like the downtown shooting (at the American Civic Association, where 13 people were fatally shot in April).

“You think it happens somewhere else, but it happens here too.”

Antoun, who had lived on Vestal’s Murray Hill Road for a number of years, is a published author who has written several books. He published the book Understanding Fundamentalism: Christian, Islamic, and Jewish Movements

A BU biography of Antoun shows that he received a doctorate from Harvard University in Massachusetts in 1963. The bio describes Antoun as an emeritus professor who is a, “sociocultural anthropologist who has conducted research among peasants in Jordan, urbanites in Lebanon, peasant-farmers in Iran, and migrants in Texas and Greece.

His scholarly interests center on comparative religion and symbolic systems, the social organization of tradition in Islamic law and ethics, the sociology of dispute with respect to tribal law in the Middle East, local-level politics, and the impact of transnational migration on education, work, and cultural change.”

Sheppard and professors said Antoun was “a really nice guy.”

Staff writers George Basler, Matt Coleman, Jennifer Micale and Debbie Swartz contributed to this story.

SOURCE #2
http://www.theithacajournal.com/arti...ath-by-student

Professor Antoun's Author Page on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Richard-T.-Ant.../ref=sr_tc_2_0

Red Flag 1 12-05-2009 07:05

Not an alum there, but my home town.

Well respected University with a very strong pre-med program.

RF 1

Richard 12-05-2009 07:24

Sounds as if there's been a lot going on at BU.

The attack comes nearly eight months to the day 13 people were massacred by a single gunman at the American Civic Association in Binghamton. It also extended BU's string of misfortune. In the past year and a half, the university has endured the near-death beating of one of its students and the flight to Serbia of one of the alleged assailants -- former BU basketball player Miladin Kovacevic; a sexual harassment suit brought by one of its employees; the legal and off-the-court troubles that dismantled the basketball team; and an ongoing SUNY investigation. Unanswered questions continue to swirl around all of those events.

http://www.pressconnects.com/article...ered-questions

Richard

Red Flag 1 12-05-2009 10:06

The area has been in economical decline for decades. I return about every six months to visit with friends and family. Once the home of EJ shoes, (made combat boots during WW II) Spaulding bread, two large IBM plants, Singer Link, Universal Instruments and supporting businesses, including five large hospitals. Three major highways intersect in Binghamton. All these have closed, hospitals now really cut back with a decrease of 60% bed space. The main industry now is Binghamton University.

With the economy being so bad, crime is through the roof. Growing up, there were only a handfull of murders, not so today. The bulk of the BU students come from outside the area, many from NYC. With the troubles, BU could well see a decline in student registrations. This will make the awful situation Binghamton is in, all the worse. The downtown center of Binghamton is nearly a ghost town now.

The sad part is that area decline was self made. No incentives for industry, high taxes with little service. Binghamton once was the AAA farm team for the Yankees. We saw the likes of Whitey Ford, Elston Howard, and Johnny Blanchard play ball in our city. The ball park was always packed; today's Mets farm team sees more pavement than cars in it's parking lot.

RF 1

greenberetTFS 12-05-2009 10:48

Very sad story Jim,sorry to hear it....... Is your family safe where they are living? :(

Big Teddy

Warrior-Mentor 12-05-2009 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 (Post 300256)
Not an alum there, but my home town.

Well respected University with a very strong pre-med program.

RF 1

I'm sure your family and friends will keep you posted on the developments...please keep us posted as well.

Red Flag 1 12-05-2009 11:57

Will do!!

Will be traveling there the week prior to Christmas. Will likely talk with the folks tomorrow.

Big Teddy, they are both in their 90's, living independently at the homestead. They still do their own shopping and such. Mom still volunteers at one of the hospitals one day a week. Try as I might, just can't bomb them out of there. A brother lives about 20 minutes away.

Thanks for asking amigo!

RF 1

ps, have speedie marinade recipe if anyone is interested. Already have one taker.

r

Warrior-Mentor 12-05-2009 22:38

HERE'S A SHOCKER...
 
Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani, 46, of Binghamton has been charged with the murder of Binghamton University Professor Richard Antoun (Photo provided) stargazette.com

Suspect identified in fatal stabbing of Binghamton University professor:

VESTAL — Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani has been charged with second-degree murder in the stabbing death of Binghamton University Professor Richard T. Antoun.

Al-Zahrani was taken to the Broome County Jail at 1:30 a.m. Saturday, said Broome County Sheriff’s Sgt. Paul Carlson. He arraigned in Vestal Town Court Saturday morning. No bail was set.

Al-Zahrani, of Main Street, Binghamton, was charged by Binghamton University Police. Al-Zahrani was a cultural anthropology student working on his dissertation, according to the university Web site.

SOURCE AND MORE DETAILS:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...-to-death.html

SOURCE #2:
http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...sity-professor

Warrior-Mentor 12-05-2009 22:44

BUT DON'T WORRY...
 
IT'S NOT RELIGIOUSLY BASED...

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/78601382.html

P.S. We need an "emoticon" for "please pass the bong."

Richard 12-06-2009 06:19

http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...oid+Al-Zahrani

Seems as if nobody has a monopoly on nutcases...still.

Richard

Warrior-Mentor 12-06-2009 06:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 300426)
http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...oid+Al-Zahrani

Seems as if nobody has a monopoly on nutcases...still.

Richard

3 Muslim students say they tried to avoid Al-Zahrani
Doug Schneider
5December 2006

VESTAL -- Encounters with accused killer Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani led several local Muslims to take steps to avoid him when they saw him on campus or elsewhere in the community.

Al-Zahrani, the man accused of fatally stabbing Binghamton University Professor Richard Antoun on campus Friday, had accused fellow Middle Eastern students of following him, answering a greeting of peace with an obscene insult, and disparaging a local mosque, according to three students interviewed Saturday night.

"Tell these students not to follow me," Awni Qasaimeh, a Jordanian studying for his doctorate in industrial and systems engineering, said Al-Zahrani told him last week. "Do not make me trouble."

Qasaimeh said Al-Zahrani mentioned three students by name, causing Qasaimeh to wonder if Al-Zahrani might want to harm the students. To Qasaimeh, Al-Zahrani did not behave like a Muslim because he smoked tobacco during Ramadan and failed to attend Friday prayer services.

Al-Zahrani faces a murder charge in the death of Antoun, an emeritus professor of anthropology. He was stabbed with a knife in an office area of BU's Science I building.

Mohammad Hamasha, another doctoral student from Jordan, recalled an encounter with Al-Zahrani on a bus in Johnson City a year ago.

Hamasha said he addressed Al-Zahrani with a traditional Muslim greeting meaning "peace be upon you." He said Al-Zahrani responded, "you are the brother of a (expletive)."

Hamasha was saddened this weekend to learn that tragedy had connected Al-Zahrani and Antoun.

"He (Antoun) had come to my country," said Hamasha, who recalled the professor speaking at Yarmouk University in Jordan. "He had made a very good impression" on people with whom he spoke.

Though Al-Zahrani claimed to be Muslim, the students said, a true follower of the religion would not have harmed a professor or have spoken as Al-Zahrani did. Kasim Kopuz, imam of the Islamic Association of the Southern Tier, said association members were not familiar with Al-Zahrani.

One student was offended by a comment Al-Zahrani made to him about a year ago.

"He insulted Islam, my religion, which is a good religion," said Samer Salameh, a master's degree candidate, who said Al-Zahrani used the phrase 'garbage in Johnson City' in an apparent reference to a local mosque. "That is not acting like a Muslim."

SF-TX 12-07-2009 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor (Post 300404)
IT'S NOT RELIGIOUSLY BASED...

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/78601382.html

P.S. We need an "emoticon" for "please pass the bong."

Whew! I'm glad the DA has already determined that it wasn't religiously based. We wouldn't want the unwashed masses to jump to conclusions and think ill of the Religion of Peace.


Quote:

Muslim student accused of stabbing Jewish prof
Saudi national entered office, attacked Mideast scholar
Posted: December 05, 2009
10:35 pm Eastern

WorldNetDaily

A Muslim anthropology graduate student is being charged with second-degree murder in the stabbing death of a Jewish professor at Binghamton University in Vestal, New York.

The victim is Richard Antoun, 77, professor of Middle Eastern studies and the author of "Understanding Fundamentalism: Christian, Islamic and Jewish Movements."

The man in custody is Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani, 46-year-old Saudi national.

The attack took place Friday afternoon when the student entered the professor's office and stabbed him, according to an eyewitness. Campus police tackled the assailant to the ground, while emergency service workers rushed to Antoun's side.

University President Lois DeFleur issued the following statement Friday: "This afternoon, in an act of senseless violence, the Binghamton University community lost one of its long-time faculty members. ... Our hearts go out to the Antoun family and we will provide them with as much assistance as we can in this time of sorrow."

New York Gov. David Paterson also released a statement about the victim: "He touched the lives of many students and was respected by his colleagues. Though he will be missed on campus, he will live on in his writing, his research and his students, whose lives he forever changed."

Antoun received a doctorate from Harvard in 1963 and joined the Binghamton faculty in the early 1970s. He was "a sociocultural anthropologist who has conducted research among peasants in Jordan, urbanites in Lebanon, peasant farmers in Iran and migrants in Texas and Greece," according to the univerrsity's website. He retired in 1999 as professor emeritus.

"He dedicated his life to trying to understand the people of the Middle East," the professor's sister Linda Miller, of Holden, Mass., told the New York Times. "He never said an unkind word to anyone in his life. "Miller’s husband, the Rev. David J. Miller, said that Antoun had been married to his wife, Rosalyn, for 17 years and had a son, Nicholas, 40.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118131

Richard 12-07-2009 12:27

And so it goes...

Richard

Quote:

Antoun Remembered As A Friend Of Many Faiths
Tom Wilber, Star Gazette, 6 Dec 2009

Members of the Islamic community gathered Sunday in Johnson City to remember Richard Antoun and to denounce the act of violence that took his life.

Antoun, a Mideast scholar and peace activist, was fatally stabbed Friday afternoon in his Binghamton University office. Abdulsalam S. Al-Zahrani, a BU post-graduate student, is charged with second-degree murder.

Although Al-Zahrani is purportedly Muslim, he was unknown to local Muslims and did not participate in community events, said Kasim Kopuz, imam at the Islamic Organization of the Southern Tier's mosque in Johnson City.

The crime Al-Zahrani is accused of -- killing a teacher -- is senseless in the context of Muslim tradition and belief that places teachers equal to or above parents in rank.

"A parent nourishes one's body while a teacher nourishes his soul," Kopuz said, citing the Prophet Muhammad.

Antoun was active with many different religious groups, and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Binghamton. On Friday, the church will have a memorial service beginning at 12:30 p.m., said Kate Thorpe, president of the board of directors.

"He was easily befriended and a good friend to have," she said.

Antoun had friends of many faiths.

Kopuz and Entisham Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Organization of the Southern Tier, addressed about 70 people who attended a brief remembrance for Antoun Sunday at the mosque. They described him as a friend to the local Muslim community who often partook in events to expand religious tolerance and cooperation among faiths.

"We will sadly miss him," Kopuz said. "He was an embodiment of light and knowledge."

Siddiqui said Antoun's murder "goes beyond all explanation ... A lot of us are struggling to understand this tragedy. I've been asked repeatedly, and frankly, I have no clue."

As another example of his respect among all faith groups, Antoun was scheduled to participate in a seminar Sunday at Temple Israel in Vestal, exploring Christianity, Judaism and Islamic days of rest and other aspects of religious practice.

Several hundred people who attended the event at the Jewish synagogue observed a moment of silence in his memory.

Rosalyn Antoun, Richard's widow, urged the program to continue as scheduled, said Rabbi Barbara Goldman Wartell, of Temple Concord, one of the organizers of the event.

"She said this type of thing is our only hope for the future," Wartell said.

The rabbi described Richard as "mensch," a Yiddish work for a person who is highly regarded for kindness and integrity.

"It's a word for a person who you aspire to be like and want your kids to be like," she said.

Antoun was also remembered and mourned Sunday in the online world.

Thomas Blumenthal, 26, a sophomore at Binghamton University, created a Facebook group in memory of Antoun.

By late Sunday, the group had 1,270 members, who used the online forum to express their sympathy and write of their personal experiences with the well-respected anthropology professor emeritus.

http://www.stargazette.com/article/2...YojfObt/s5Q%3D

The Reaper 12-07-2009 12:36

For the sake of argument, lets say, an Aryan Nation or Nazi extremist was killing Jewish or black Americans at a rate of one per day.

How long would this go on before someone demanded an end to it, and sought to break the organization by application of legal pressure? HEAVY legal pressure. Like the RICO Act being used to bankrupt the organizations and their front organizations.

I do not see much difference here. Why are we not taking this threat seriously?

Is Janet from Another Planet, AG Holder, and the SPLC still looking for white, male, gun-owning, Christian, veteran extremists? Is it possible that they should refocus their efforts? How many more will die before they do?

TR

Warrior-Mentor 12-07-2009 12:40

“I said he was acting...like a terrorist.”
 
SOURCE:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...rt-profes.html

“I said he was acting...like a terrorist.”
said the Roommate of Jihadi that Murdered Jewish Convert Professor

Pamela Geller
Atlas Shrugs

“I said he was acting...like a terrorist,” said the Roommate of Jihadi that Murdered Jewish Convert Professor.

This past weekend another act of lone jihad syndrome was swept under the rug. The jihad is relentless but the media's complicity is criminal. Muslim Grad Student Stabs to Death Jewish Convert Professor.

Today the NY Times ran a piece though ignore the obvious. The facts they report, OTOH, do not.

The victim, Dr. Antoun, was a Jewish convert with Muslim parentage.

[COMMENT: That makes him an apostate, which is punishable by death under sharia law.
SEE Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Sacred Islamic Law, paragraphs f1.3 and o8.2]


The professor of Middle Eastern studies who has authored “Understanding Fundamentalism: Christian, Islamic, and Jewish Movements,” and other books on Islam over the last 20 years. The autopsy performed on Dr. Antoun showed that he died of multiple stab wounds.

The bottom line is if a jihadi like or Major muslim Hasan are making threats, you are on your own. Law enforcement, government authorities, academics are so cowed by the Islamic machine, so afraid of lawsuits, retribution or a smear campaign (racist! islamophobic!) n that they will do nothing. They will let folks die so that a jihadi can meet his 72 raisins. It is as simple as that. If school officials had expelled or taken any action against Zahrani because of his threatening terrorism, CAIR would have been all over them like white on rice. That's a fact.

In other words, when it comes to the greatest threat facing our civilization, our nation, our institutions, and our person....we are on our own.

Binghamton Student Says he warned Officials NY Times


“I said he was acting oddly, like a terrorist,” said one of the roommates, Souleymane Sakho, a graduate student from Senegal. “When I informed them, it was for them to understand that the guy was violent or he may be violent.”

Mr. Sakho said that he told his academic adviser who is overseeing his dissertation about Mr. Zahrani, and that the adviser referred him to the school’s counseling center. Mr. Sakho said that the head of the counseling center told him to avoid interaction with Mr. Zahrani and said he should look to move out of the apartment.

A spokesman for Binghamton University declined to comment on what university officials may have been told by Mr. Sakho about Mr. Zahrani’s behavior, citing a continuing investigation by the district attorney of Broome County.

The district attorney, Gerald F. Mollen, declined to discuss many details of the case in a telephone interview, only saying that an autopsy performed on Dr. Antoun showed that he died of multiple stab wounds.

“There are no new details and we are not going to be providing a debriefing every minute for every development,” Mr. Mollen said.

About 10 days ago, the police were called to the three-bedroom apartment, according to Mr. Sakho. He said he was sick of Mr. Zahrani’s constantly asking him if he was afraid of death and told him to stop. Later that night, Mr. Sakho said he told his other roommate, Luis Pena, also a graduate student, that he “had enough of the situation.” Hearing them, Mr. Zahrani came out of his bedroom and accused Mr. Sakho of threatening him, Mr. Sakho said.

“I’m not the kind of person to make threats because I am a peaceful person,” said Mr. Sakho, recalling the conversation. “I just want you to stop what you are doing.”

Mr. Zahrani then called the Binghamton police, who arrived at the apartment several minutes later, Mr. Sakho said.

“I came out and wanted to explain what Zahrani was doing and they told me to go back to my room,” Mr. Sakho said.

Dr. Antoun, an anthropology professor who focused on Islamic and Middle Eastern studies, retired in 1999, becoming a professor emeritus at Binghamton, which is considered a jewel of the New York State university system. He still advised several students studying for master’s and doctoral degrees and came into the office every day, according to Nina M. Versaggi, an anthropology professor who has an office a few doors down from Dr. Antoun’s.

Dr. Antoun held season tickets to the Binghamton men’s basketball team and had plans to attend Friday night’s game. “I had just talked to him a couple of hours earlier; we ran into each other in the mail room,” said Dr. Versaggi. “We both have tickets to the basketball game and he said he planned to go to the game. Even though the team is rebuilding, he said they were showing some promise. He was just happy as usual, just a good-humored man.”

Dr. Versaggi declined to discuss many of the specifics of the events on Friday. She said that although her office is a few doors down from Dr. Antoun’s, she first learned of the stabbing when she received a phone call and was instructed to go into “lockdown mode.”

“He was a scholar in the true meaning of the word,” said Dr. Versaggi. “A very peaceful and gentle man, and he was a professor who spent his entire career working towards fairness and justice. The only firm stance he has ever taken on any issue is that he was antiwar and a peace activist. The last time I remember him protesting was against the Iraq war.”

Mr. Sakho and Mr. Pena said that Mr. Zahrani told them he had lived in Montana before returning to Binghamton to finish his doctoral thesis. They said he told them that the university had recently denied his request for financial support; they added that he never talked about Dr. Antoun.

Mr. Sakho said the last time he saw Mr. Zahrani was around 1 a.m. on Friday, when Mr. Zahrani woke him up and once again asked him if he was afraid of dying. Mr. Sakho said he did not respond to Mr. Zahrani and went back to sleep.

Richard 12-07-2009 12:43

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More on the Professor's killer.

Richard

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Man Charged With Killing Binghamton University Professor Threatened Apartment-mate
William Moyer, PressConnects, 5 Dec 2009

The two apartment-mates of a man charged with stabbing a Binghamton University professor to death said Abdulsalam S. Al-Zahrani was argumentative, confrontational and threatened one of them in the three weeks they shared a first-floor unit on Main Street in Binghamton.

Souleymane Sakho and Luis Pena (see attched pic), both post-graduate students at BU, said despite Al-Zahrani's troublesome behavior, the Saudi national never said say anything to them about anthropology professor emeritus Richard T. Antoun, who was stabbed around 1:40 p.m. Friday inside Science Building 1 and later pronounced dead at Wilson Regional Medical Center in Johnson City.

Al-Zahrani, 46, was charged early Saturday with second-degree murder, according to Broome County District Attorney Gerald F. Mollen.

"There is no indication of religious or ethnic motivation," said Mollen in a printed statement Saturday.

Al-Zahrani claimed to be a Muslim, according to his apartment-mates. But he had no affiliation with the local mosque, said Kasim Kopuz, imam at the Islamic Organization of the Southern Tier in Johnson City.

"When law enforcement showed us a picture, none of us knew him," said Kopuz. "This person was not involved in regular prayers at our mosque."

Antoun frequently attended programs at the local mosque, said Kopuz.

Mollen didn't reveal a motive for the stabbing, but said Al-Zahrani and Antoun knew each other through the defendant's post-graduate anthropology study.

According to the school's Web site, Al-Zahrani was a graduate student in the anthropology department working on a doctoral thesis, "Sacred Voice, Profane Sight: The Senses, Cosmology, and Epistemology in Early Arabic Culture."

Al-Zahrani, Sakho and Pena became roommates about three weeks ago when their landlord rented a vacant bedroom in their unit to Al-Zahrani -- a common arrangement in the student housing building.

Sakho and Pena said Al-Zahrani was confrontational as soon as he moved into the bedroom nearest the kitchen of the three-room unit.

When he asked Al-Zahrani why he bummed a cigarette when he had a full pack in his bedroom, Sakho said Al-Zahrani threatened him.

"He came out of his room, he had a knife. He asked me whether I was afraid of death," said Sakho.

Al-Zahrani walked away, which upset Sakho.

"I told him, 'Don't ask me the question if you don't want to hear my answer,'" said Sakho during an interview Saturday in the apartment.

Pena recalled what he described as one of Al-Zahrani's random outbursts.

"He was sitting on the sofa and just blurted out 'I just feel like destroying the world,'" said Pena, 22. "He seemed like someone that's calm, but he could flip in a second."

Sakho said Al-Zahrani claimed some students were spying on him and he was being persecuted because he was Muslim.

Both apartment-mates felt Al-Zahrani put them down for their religious beliefs -- both are Christians.

Pena said Al-Zahrani laughed at him for wearing a religious symbol around his neck.

"What do you got there? I want one, and then he'd laugh," Sakho recalled.

Sakho's last recollection of Al-Zahrani was around 1 a.m. Friday when he knocked on his bedroom door and asked if he was afraid to come out.

"I told him, 'Afraid of what?'" said Sakho. "When I open the door, he's walking back to his room. I said, "What's up?'"

Saklo said Al-Zahrani simply walked through the living room and down the hallway into his bedroom.

The stabbing was a surprise to both men, they said.

Sakho found out what happened when police arrived at the apartment around 7:30 p.m. Friday.

Pena said he saw Al-Zahrani on campus at mid-morning Friday. He didn't learn of the incident until he got to the apartment around 8:30 p.m. Friday, even though he had been on campus most of the day. He knew of a stabbing, but not that Al-Zahrani allegedly had been involved.

Both men said police searched the apartment until 1 p.m. Saturday -- nearly 18 hours after they had arrived.

Al-Zahrani's room was locked and police took the key, they said.

Al-Zahrani was arraigned Saturday before Justice Joseph Meagher in Town of Vestal court and remanded to the Broome County Jail without bail.

Mollen's statement said the defendant "intentionally caused the death" by stabbing Antoun. No other arrests are expected.

Mollen said he didn't know if Al-Zahrani had an attorney.

Various law enforcement agencies were involved in the investigation, including Binghamton University police, New York State police, Johnson City police, Binghamton police, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Broome County District Attorney's Office.

http://www.pressconnects.com/article...WS01/912050390


AngelsSix 12-08-2009 20:25

Once again:

Why is it after the fact that we hear that these folks are acting crazy? His behavior leading up to the attack was bizarre, perhaps his roomies had just gotten used to it but I would have noted that he was acting crazy....:confused:

dennisw 12-08-2009 20:46

Quote:

"There is no indication of religious or ethnic motivation," said Mollen in a printed statement Saturday.
Sure. Hey, was that cow that just flew by? :D

Remington Raidr 12-08-2009 21:02

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Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor (Post 300404)

P.S. We need an "emoticon" for "please pass the bong."

that's GOLD.:D I need a new keyboard, then I am gonna get to work on that. Thank god no guns were allowed on campus! IIRC, that was hometown of Army paratrooper Rod Serling.

Warrior-Mentor 12-09-2009 02:07

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Originally Posted by Remington Raidr (Post 301006)
that's GOLD.:D I need a new keyboard, then I am gonna get to work on that. Thank god no guns were allowed on campus! IIRC, that was hometown of Army paratrooper Rod Serling.

FOUND ONE!
http://kompound-kid.deviantart.com/a...ticon-56439009

Found more here:
http://www.designmyprofile.com/emot1.htm

Sigaba 12-09-2009 03:21

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix (Post 300991)
Once again:

Why is it after the fact that we hear that these folks are acting crazy? His behavior leading up to the attack was bizarre, perhaps his roomies had just gotten used to it but I would have noted that he was acting crazy....:confused:

MOO, a key piece of information is:
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Al-Zahrani was a graduate student in the anthropology department working on a doctoral thesis[.]
One of the most intelligent people I've ever known nearly went off the deep end on several occasions as he wrote and prepared to defend his dissertation.

As an example, one evening I was riding with him in his pick up along a somewhat busy street. Someone cut him off on by blasting through the right turn lane at an intersection. This maneuver is a common practice in the L.A. area. Generally, one grouses a bit and drives on--because as often as it happens to you, you're going to do it to someone else.

Yet, in this case, my pal went ballistic. He pursued the offending vehicle, yelling obscenities and threats. He cut off the vehicle, let it go, chased it down again, and cut it off. "YOU'RE DEAD," he roared.

With white knuckles and clenched teeth, I waited with decreasing confidence for him to snap out of it before getting out of his truck and inflicting mayhem on a couple of poor souls. Fortunately, my somewhat snarky exhortations for him to calm down got through to him and he let the motorist go.

He had several other explosions of temper in the ensuing months. His rage eventually cost him some friendships--including mine--and nearly cost him his engagement to his fiance. And also, his department got so tired of him that his dissertation committee approved his thesis with very few comments. (When this happens, they're basically telling you to go away and not to count on any support in your subsequent job search.)

FWIW, UCLA's Peter Lowenberg wrote some interesting essays on the graduate school experience. These essays, which I recommend to anyone considering graduate school, are available in Decoding the Past: The Psychohistorical Approach, and I recommend them to anyone considering graduate school in any field.

My $0.02. But then that would still leave you $28.48 short if you were looking to buy the cloth bound, unabridged edition of Michel Foucault's History of Madness.

JJ_BPK 12-09-2009 04:05

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Originally Posted by Sigaba (Post 301060)

As an example, one evening I was riding with him in his pick up along a somewhat busy street. Someone cut him off on by blasting through the right turn lane at an intersection. This maneuver is a common practice in the L.A. area. Generally, one grouses a bit and drives on--because as often as it happens to you, you're going to do it to someone else.

Yet, in this case, my pal went ballistic. He pursued the offending vehicle, yelling obscenities and threats. He cut off the vehicle, let it go, chased it down again, and cut it off. "YOU'RE DEAD," he roared.

He had several other explosions of temper in the ensuing months. His rage eventually cost him some friendships--including mine--and nearly cost him his engagement to his fiance. And also, his department got so tired of him that his dissertation committee approved his thesis with very few comments. (When this happens, they're basically telling you to go away and not to count on any support in your subsequent job search.)


Your shiiting me,, Are you proposing his defense "murder because of dissertation overload" ??

FAIL...


:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sigaba 12-09-2009 10:16

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 301062)
Are you proposing his defense "murder because of dissertation overload" ??

FAIL...


:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sir,

With respect, I believe that you misread my post. I believe that your umbrage is misplaced.

The post does not make such a proposal. My post does not suggest nor recommend a legal defense along those lines.

My post was in reply to AngelsSix's specific question regarding the lack of alarm raised beforehand regarding the defendant's behavior.

My point was that graduate students can exhibit disturbing--even dangerous and self-destructive--behavior and that activity can get chalked up to the rigors of graduate study.

JJ_BPK 12-09-2009 12:47

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Then you should erase and re-word your post.

You copied part of AngelSix's post

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Once again:Why is it after the fact that we hear that these folks are acting crazy? His behavior leading up to the attack was bizarre, perhaps his roomies had just gotten used to it but I would have noted that he was acting crazy....
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MOO
:confused::confused:

Then go on to explain why G-students regularly go crazy BECAUSE of the rigars of writing their thesis??? In doing so you use your X-bud
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One of the most intelligent people I've ever known nearly went off the deep end on several occasions as he wrote and prepared to defend his dissertation.
as an example. Additionally you suggest one would read some-ones dissertation on dissertations as back-up.

I may be old and less speedy than yesterday,, but in my opinion, your statement amounted to a pre-packaged excuse for this Shiitehead and any other wacko that has a bad hair day "while writing their thesis",, with quotable cross references, appendices, and historical in-significances....

Is my dyslexia getting more pronounced,, or did I miss something.. :mad::mad:

PS: Nobuyuki Kayahara's lady spins both ways for me..

Pete 12-09-2009 13:09

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 301148)
....Is my dyslexia getting more pronounced,, or did I miss something.. :mad::mad:

PS: Nobuyuki Kayahara's lady spins both ways for me..

JJ

Sigaba explained why bizzaro actions would not be considered all that odd for a grad student. But a threat with a weapon should have been handled better. Look for the school's investigation to be whitewash.

I got 2 20 year olds who are not grad sudents but are in college and they get mighty bizzaro just come finals time.

I think this thread is another one of those that would be done better at a table over a few beers.

Red Flag 1 12-09-2009 13:19

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix (Post 300991)
Once again:

Why is it after the fact that we hear that these folks are acting crazy? His behavior leading up to the attack was bizarre, perhaps his roomies had just gotten used to it but I would have noted that he was acting crazy....:confused:

I expect that part of the answer is that LE can do nothing until a crime is committed. Should his roomies have raised concerns with "authorities", it is likely this perp would have made life even more uncomfortable for those around him. So you put up with him and hope for the best. Even given all the red flags before the Ft. Hood murders, "authorities" acted too late. Al-Zahrani was well under the radar.

He was acting "crazy" I suppose; with the knife in particular. Perhaps the good folks at The Binghamton Psychiatric Center could have helped out if they knew about him, perhaps. Some folks present with even more bizzare behavior and seem to do "alright". Me thinks I smell a defense plea of insanity in the future for Al-Zahrani.

My $.02.

RF 1

The Reaper 12-09-2009 13:27

I didn't get Sigaba doing the apologist bit either, but I do not think either of you are bad guys, we are just failing to communicate.

Some grad students are under pressure, no doubt, but this guy had a lot of other baggage to go with it. Too bad we do not have a better crazy Muslim detection capability in place yet. We need to figure out how to be proactive and to pre-empt these assholes.

TR

Sigaba 12-09-2009 14:32

To clarify...
 
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 301148)
Then you should erase and re-word your post.

<<SNIP>>

Then [you] go on to explain why G-students regularly go crazy BECAUSE of the rigars of writing their thesis??? In doing so you use your X-bud as an example. Additionally you suggest one would read some-ones dissertation on dissertations as back-up.

I may be old and less speedy than yesterday,, but in my opinion, your statement amounted to a pre-packaged excuse for this Shiitehead and any other wacko that has a bad hair day "while writing their thesis",, with quotable cross references, appendices, and historical in-significances....

Is my dyslexia getting more pronounced,, or did I miss something..

PS: Nobuyuki Kayahara's lady spins both ways for me..

Sir,

Please give me an opportunity to clarify two of my points and to elaborate a third.

First, I do not state the position that graduate students go crazy because of their thesis. My position is that there are occasions where people look the other way despite evidence that something is going seriously sideways, and then use the excuse of the pressures of graduate school to rationalize their bad judgement. My post is offered as a reason for this dynamic, not as an excuse.

Second, the purpose of including my personal experience with my erstwhile friend was to illustrate the dynamic from two perspectives. The first is being in it (as we were classmates) and excusing intolerable conduct. (He's under a lot of pressure...he's normally a great guy...this isn't like him at all...he's brilliant...once he turns this corner he'll be off and running on a successful career.) The second is being out of it: he's an erstwhile friend for the same reason our department pulled back from him as quickly as it could. (This guy is out of control. He's a risk not worth tolerating. He needs help and even after he gets it, we want nothing to do with him.)

One may say I was too glib in how I discussed my former friend. Perhaps. My perspective is that I am relating an incident in which myself and others were in physical danger (if not actual mortal peril). When relating such personal experiences, I tend to use a humorous tone (mostly to deflect a sense of wrath--I am very even tempered in that I am mad all the time).

In candor, I must say that I found your comments about my "quotable cross references, appendices, and historical in-significances," a bit confusing and, ah, frustrating, especially in regards to the last zinger. I do hope you will accept the fact that I'm committed to finding a happy medium between putting too much historical/historiographical detail in my posts and too little. Your criticism indicates that I've still got a ways to go.

Please allow me to elaborate my mentioning of Lowenberg (whom I have discussed in passing in a previous thread <<LINK>>). In the referenced essays, Peter Lowenberg offers a blistering critique of the current method by which graduate students are trained in their craft. Lowenberg was, in addition to being an academic historian, a practicing clinical psychoanalyst. This latter profession informed greatly his discussion of the topic.

For him to write from the perspective of the latter put his standing as an academic at risk for two reasons. First, psycho-historians never endeared themselves to the Ivory Tower. Part of this unpopularity is that clinical psychoanalytic theory is especially disruptive to a materialist (read: Marxist) approach to history.;) Second, his essays aired some of the Ivory Tower's dirty laundry--not by naming names, but by highlighting bad habits and questionable practices. For him to take this risk illustrates how seriously he viewed his concerns.

FWIW, my own experiences and my reading of Lowenberg informed my approach to teaching. If I had concerns about a student, I voiced them.

And at least one major university in southern California has taken a proactive role towards risk management.

Pete 12-11-2009 10:16

Saudi consulate will pay legal fees of man accused of killing Binghamton University p
 
Saudi consulate will pay legal fees of man accused of killing Binghamton University professor

http://www.theithacajournal.com/arti...sity+professor

'.......It's Saudi policy that citizens facing incarceration are supplied with an attorney, Al-Jubair said........"

Warrior-Mentor 12-11-2009 10:52

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 301656)
Saudi consulate will pay legal fees of man accused of killing Binghamton University professor

http://www.theithacajournal.com/arti...sity+professor

'.......It's Saudi policy that citizens facing incarceration are supplied with an attorney, Al-Jubair said........"

Wonder if the Saudis would pay for it if he was an Apostate?

AngelsSix 12-11-2009 15:05

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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 (Post 301159)
I expect that part of the answer is that LE can do nothing until a crime is committed. Should his roomies have raised concerns with "authorities", it is likely this perp would have made life even more uncomfortable for those around him. So you put up with him and hope for the best. Even given all the red flags before the Ft. Hood murders, "authorities" acted too late. Al-Zahrani was well under the radar.

He was acting "crazy" I suppose; with the knife in particular. Perhaps the good folks at The Binghamton Psychiatric Center could have helped out if they knew about him, perhaps. Some folks present with even more bizzare behavior and seem to do "alright". Me thinks I smell a defense plea of insanity in the future for Al-Zahrani.

My $.02.

RF 1

This is what I was trying to bring out. Sorry to cause so much disruption...

I am tired of hearing after any kind of event similar to this (doesn't have to be a college/school shooting) that people start saying the person in question was behaving in a manner that was not "normal" or expected.

I am not sure it can be solved entirely, but if someone would open their mouth and talk to a counselor, cop, doc, nurse....it could prevent this type of tragedy from occurring, IMO.

Red Flag 1 12-11-2009 15:49

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix (Post 301745)
This is what I was trying to bring out. Sorry to cause so much disruption...

I am tired of hearing after any kind of event similar to this (doesn't have to be a college/school shooting) that people start saying the person in question was behaving in a manner that was not "normal" or expected.

I am not sure it can be solved entirely, but if someone would open their mouth and talk to a counselor, cop, doc, nurse....it could prevent this type of tragedy from occurring, IMO.

Your point is of value, and I agree.

Consider if you will, the number of times a perp was described as," a quiet person who would not hurt a fly". "He was a nice quiet man who kept to himself". If you," open your mouth", and get it wrong....woe be unto you. Financial and personal havoc follows. You cough up all you own at the direction of a court. The perp wins and moves on to greener pastures, and then kills.

IMHO, if the ACLU would look to the pain of the victim, and not to the defense of the perp, this nation would be safer, and better for it!!!!

My $.02.

RF 1

ps: will be in Binghamton next Monday FWIW.

r

Red Flag 1 05-20-2011 21:41

Looks like we'll pay for room and board for Al-Zahrani. Saudi paid for his defense, and they can have him back after 9-15 years, sans his PhD. I wonder if his five years supervised will be here or in Saudi? http://www.pressconnects.com/article...text|FRONTPAGE

Nice to see he didn't get a walk or just sent home with some kind of "immunity".

RF 1

JJ_BPK 05-21-2011 04:42

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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 (Post 394373)
Looks like we'll pay for room and board for Al-Zahrani.

Nice to see he didn't get a walk or just sent home with some kind of "immunity".

RF 1


I have just the place for him.. My bud Cpt Strother Martin, a very kind man, will give him a warm and culturally rich environment to reflect on his future..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_aVuS7cOIQ

Gypsy 05-21-2011 11:52

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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 (Post 394373)

Nice to see he didn't get a walk or just sent home with some kind of "immunity".

RF 1

Agreed. Thanks for the update, my friend!

Red Flag 1 05-21-2011 15:31

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 394387)
I have just the place for him.. My bud Cpt Strother Martin, a very kind man, will give him a warm and culturally rich environment to reflect on his future..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_aVuS7cOIQ

And all the hard boiled eggs he can eat......................at one time that is.

RF 1


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