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Roguish Lawyer 05-14-2004 17:05

MACV-SOG Roll Call
 
I am a Viet Nam history buff, and it has been a real pleasure being able to bounce periodic questions off of BMT, Ambush Master and QRQ 30. I am curious who served in MACV-SOG, where they served, what teams or other units they were in, and -- of course -- any stories they are willing to tell!

So this is the SOG Roll Call thread. Anything any of you are willing to post would be great. And whether you post or not, thank you for your extraordinary service to our country. I and many others are deeply grateful.

Ambush Master 05-14-2004 17:20

RL, I'll open it.

I ran on RT New York out of CCC in Kontum. I was there 1970/71 timeframe while John Plaster was flying Covey and Bob Howard was the Recon Company CO. My 60mm story and the Brightlight AAR in the Briefback Forum were from that period. The Brightlight AAR happened while I was a student at the MACVSOG Recon Teamleaders School therefore called One Zero School. That school was mandatory before you would be allowed to run Cross-Border Operations. They wanted all of the Americans on the team to be able to take the team over if need be. After you read Plaster's Books, you can see why.

Take care.
Martin

Roguish Lawyer 05-20-2004 11:16

Thanks, Martin. Looks like others don't want to play. Oh, well.

If it helps, I'm not going to be PMing those who respond every five minutes with annoying, stupid questions. :)

Smokin Joe 05-20-2004 12:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Ambush Master
RL, I'll open it.

I ran on RT New York out of CCC in Kontum. I was there 1970/71 timeframe while John Plaster was flying Covey and Bob Howard was the Recon Company CO. My 60mm story and the Brightlight AAR in the Briefback Forum were from that period. The Brightlight AAR happened while I was a student at the MACVSOG Recon Teamleaders School therefore called One Zero School. That school was mandatory before you would be allowed to run Cross-Border Operations. They wanted all of the Americans on the team to be able to take the team over if need be. After you read Plaster's Books, you can see why.

Take care.
Martin

I just started Plasters book the other night. Wow, Simply Wow. You men are freaking amazing. Thank you for your service and HUGE BRASS BALLS!

BMT (RIP) 05-20-2004 16:47

MACV-SOG Roll Call
 
MLS Quan Loi Oct '69-Dec '69

MLS North Dec '69- Jul '70

CCS S-3 Op Sgt. Jul '70- Sep '70


BMT
Jr. FOG

QRQ 30 05-22-2004 06:31

FOB-2 1-0 ST Deleware.
FOB-3 1-0 ST Bear
FOB-2 1-0Special Projects Team Cutlass

Time Frame 1968. Didn't have no foogin 1-0 school. Learned OJT. Short OJT since my 1-0 was KIA in the first 24 hours.

As I have said on other boards, SF Soldiers are flexible and adaptable.

The shower/wash room at Kontum was named after my 1-0 -- Martin's Manor.

The latrine was named after the first MOH recipient -- Sisler's Shitters.

QRQ 30 05-22-2004 16:20

Lrt me clarify the above. I have nothing against 1-0 school. It is just a fact that it didn't exist in 1968. If it did, I may have never had the opportunity to run recon since I was assigned as an 05B/05C.

I believe the purpose was standardization of commo, air ops, various methods of insertion and extraction etc. The first time I saw a McGuire rig (I was also pre-STABO) was for an emercency extraction. OTOH a recon man has to be able to think on the run. There were no two missions the same for me.

Unfortunately "standardization" was also a stumbling block. The bad guys new the approximate time between a VR and insertion for wxample.

I hope I haven't screwed up the roll call!!

NousDefionsDoc 05-22-2004 17:52

Its an honor gentlemen, and I mean that with all my heart.

AmericanPride 06-01-2004 13:09

It's a great honor, and I too mean that with all my heart. We are very fortunate to have men such as yourselves here.

Brushmonkey 06-01-2004 21:13

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Its an honor gentlemen, and I mean that with all my heart.
I second that.

Ambush Master 06-01-2004 21:55

Quote:

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Its an honor gentlemen, and I mean that with all my heart.
Not nearly as much as still being here !!!! Having this Forum to share all of our thoughts, THIS REALLY MAKES IT WORTH IT !!!!

From the Mugs that I drink my coffee, everyday: "YOU HAVE NEVER LIVED UNTIL YOU HAVE ALMOST DIED. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT, LIFE (AND FREEDOM) HAS A SPECIAL FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW."

It's an Honor to be a part of this endeavor !!

Take care all.
Martin

Lancer33 06-21-2004 05:20

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The attached lists almost all of the RT's from CCN circa 71.

rwt_bkk 06-21-2004 10:41

SOG
 
Well guess I can finally qualify for something!

CCN Aug 69-70
11 RT North Carolina
11 RT Kansas
Squad Leader HF (A Company - I think CRS again) just one mission and out...
MLT2 and HICKORY RR
(yeah I got around - but it wasn't always my choice).

lurch 07-18-2004 18:47

I served with MACVSOG at CCN August 1970-August 1971

Recon Teams Python - Klaus Bingham 10 and Virginia - Keith Messinger 10. Then worked for "No Toes Dover" at the Phu Bai launch site. Lots of stories but don't know what sort you want to hear.

Team Sergeant 07-18-2004 19:15

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Originally posted by lurch
Lots of stories but don't know what sort you want to hear.
All of them that you care to tell.

Team Sergeant

NousDefionsDoc 07-18-2004 19:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
All of them that you care to tell.

Team Sergeant

Oh most definitely.

lurch 07-18-2004 19:36

This occured while I was at the Phu Bai Launch site. It was monsoon season. Weather had closed down in the AO, no teams on the ground. Benny Adkins NCOIC from the Quang
Tri launch site was visiting. Most of the launch site crew were assembled in the club drinking a "Recon Wreck" MSG Dover, our NCOIC and Benny got into an argument, about, of all things, which launch site had lost the most recon men. Their verbal argument soon escalated into a fist fight. Being one of the junior nco's in the bar ( E-5) I thought that was no way for two of our senior, well-decorated, combat experienced (Adkins had been in the A-Shau A camp that was overrun and was severly wounded yet returned to RVN) to be conducting themselves so I tried (foolish me) to break up the fight by stepping between the two combatants. I took a punch to the jaw for my trouble and as we were near the door of the bar I simply put my foot on the two embattled veterans and pushed them both out into the muddy street in the pouring rain. This failed to dampern their aggresion and they continued rolling about in the slime trying to win by KO.
I went back to my drinking to ease the pain in my jaw and the next morning it was said that after they had worn themselves out Adkins spent the night in the team holding hooch on the airstrip and Dover ended up in his own cot in the barracks. :)

lurch 07-18-2004 20:06

story moved to the briefback area

TerribleTobyt 07-29-2004 11:29

Martin, we meet again on 'nuther Forum
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ambush Master
RL, I'll open it.

I ran on RT New York out of CCC in Kontum. I was there 1970/71 timeframe while John Plaster was flying Covey and Bob Howard was the Recon Company CO. My 60mm story and the Brightlight AAR in the Briefback Forum were from that period. The Brightlight AAR happened while I was a student at the MACVSOG Recon Teamleaders School therefore called One Zero School. That school was mandatory before you would be allowed to run Cross-Border Operations. They wanted all of the Americans on the team to be able to take the team over if need be. After you read Plaster's Books, you can see why.

Take care.
Martin

Toby Todd here. Ran on RT California with Joe Walker, 1-0, the same time Martin was doing his RT New York thingy.

I have all of John Plaster's books about SOG. IMHO, no one has done a better job of telling OUR story.

Martin, c'ya at SOAR, I hope.

Later.

Toby
1-2, RT CAlifornia

Team Sergeant 07-29-2004 11:35

Welcome Toby!

Maj Plaster's books are a great read!

TS

QRQ 30 07-29-2004 11:37

Welcome Aboard Toby:cool:

TerribleTobyt 07-29-2004 11:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Welcome Toby!

Maj Plaster's books are a great read!

TS

Thanx Top, nice to be here finally.

I see many SF List members have preceded me here.

Later.

Toby
1-2, RT California

NousDefionsDoc 07-29-2004 12:10

Welcome aboard Toby.

Quote:

Martin was doing his RT New York thingy.
LOL - :munchin

Kyobanim 07-29-2004 12:40

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Welcome TobyT!

Ambush Master 07-29-2004 18:06

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Welcome aboard Toby.

quote:
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Martin was doing his RT New York thingy.
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LOL - :munchin

Did I miss something humerous ??


Welcome aboard Toby !! I'll definitely be at SOAR !!!

Take care.
Martin

NousDefionsDoc 07-29-2004 20:03

I just never heard it referred to as "thingy" before. I'll shut up now.

TerribleTobyt 07-29-2004 20:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyobanim
Welcome TobyT!
How do I get that for my avatar, or do I gotta have so many posts before that can happen.

If so, no sweat.

Later.

Toby
1-2, RT California

Team Sergeant 07-29-2004 20:08

Toby,

As a Quiet Professional all you need do is post a picture of an avatar you desire (or tell us where to find it), we will take care of the rest.

TS

Ambush Master 07-29-2004 20:24

Quote:

Originally posted by TerribleTobyt
How do I get that for my avatar, or do I gotta have so many posts before that can happen.

If so, no sweat.

Later.

Toby
1-2, RT California

You mean like that ??

Later
Martin

NousDefionsDoc 07-29-2004 20:32

Very nice avatar.

Roguish Lawyer 07-29-2004 22:31

Welcome, Toby. It is an honor to have you here.

rwt_bkk 07-29-2004 22:44

Hi Toby,
always good to have another SOGGIE on board!

TerribleTobyt 07-29-2004 23:25

Y'all-

Thanx for the warm welcome. Some of the guys that I hold in the highest esteem are here on this Forum.

Onliiest thing I can say is:It's good to be home.

Later.

Toby
1-2, RT California

brownapple 07-30-2004 05:08

Hey, Toby! Good to see you!

TerribleTobyt 07-30-2004 15:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenhat
Hey, Toby! Good to see you!
Hey Al-

How ya been???????

Toby
1-2, RT California

Roguish Lawyer 07-30-2004 15:55

SOG Trivia Question (former members of these teams are NOT eligible to answer!):

There was something unique about RT New York and RT California relative to the other CCC teams. What was it?

QRQ 30 07-30-2004 16:00

I wasn't there in the "CCC" time frame but I believe they were Vietnamese teams. Most teams in CCC were "Yard" but I know of one that also had Nungs.

Quote:

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
SOG Trivia Question (former members of these teams are NOT eligible to answer!):

There was something unique about RT New York and RT California relative to the other CCC teams. What was it?


Air.177 07-30-2004 16:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
SOG Trivia Question (former members of these teams are NOT eligible to answer!):

There was something unique about RT New York and RT California relative to the other CCC teams. What was it?

I know this!!

Both were "Heavy" teams with 3 Americans and 9 Indig. Both carried a B-40 rocket launcher, a mortar, and at least one belt fed gun.


Also, I have heard talk that the One Zeros on both teams were considered to be Crazy by many folks, even in the Recon community.

QRQ 30 07-30-2004 16:27

I am sure you have seen the term ST (Spike Team) as well as RT. In '68 the ST was what you call a "heavy Team". Most teams were Spike Teams and downsized to RT for particular missions. We carried several LAWs (one per member except for the 1-1 on my team). The reference to belt-fed weapons may explain the reference to "Crazy" though Papy Webb always carried an M-60.

On TM Cutlass I begged for and got a then experimental Stoner in LMG configuration.

To start with, because of different security considerations, the Daniel Boone Teams operated as RTs and the Prarie Fire Teams operated as STs.

Roguish Lawyer 07-30-2004 16:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Air.177
I know this!!

Both were "Heavy" teams with 3 Americans and 9 Indig. Both carried a B-40 rocket launcher, a mortar, and at least one belt fed gun.

Ugh. I can't ever remember to ban you from answering these questions! Yes, junior has the correct answer. I am withholding your prize because you weren't supposed to be eligible.
:eek: :boohoo


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