MACV-SOG Roll Call
I am a Viet Nam history buff, and it has been a real pleasure being able to bounce periodic questions off of BMT, Ambush Master and QRQ 30. I am curious who served in MACV-SOG, where they served, what teams or other units they were in, and -- of course -- any stories they are willing to tell!
So this is the SOG Roll Call thread. Anything any of you are willing to post would be great. And whether you post or not, thank you for your extraordinary service to our country. I and many others are deeply grateful. |
RL, I'll open it.
I ran on RT New York out of CCC in Kontum. I was there 1970/71 timeframe while John Plaster was flying Covey and Bob Howard was the Recon Company CO. My 60mm story and the Brightlight AAR in the Briefback Forum were from that period. The Brightlight AAR happened while I was a student at the MACVSOG Recon Teamleaders School therefore called One Zero School. That school was mandatory before you would be allowed to run Cross-Border Operations. They wanted all of the Americans on the team to be able to take the team over if need be. After you read Plaster's Books, you can see why. Take care. Martin |
Thanks, Martin. Looks like others don't want to play. Oh, well.
If it helps, I'm not going to be PMing those who respond every five minutes with annoying, stupid questions. :) |
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MACV-SOG Roll Call
MLS Quan Loi Oct '69-Dec '69
MLS North Dec '69- Jul '70 CCS S-3 Op Sgt. Jul '70- Sep '70 BMT Jr. FOG |
FOB-2 1-0 ST Deleware.
FOB-3 1-0 ST Bear FOB-2 1-0Special Projects Team Cutlass Time Frame 1968. Didn't have no foogin 1-0 school. Learned OJT. Short OJT since my 1-0 was KIA in the first 24 hours. As I have said on other boards, SF Soldiers are flexible and adaptable. The shower/wash room at Kontum was named after my 1-0 -- Martin's Manor. The latrine was named after the first MOH recipient -- Sisler's Shitters. |
Lrt me clarify the above. I have nothing against 1-0 school. It is just a fact that it didn't exist in 1968. If it did, I may have never had the opportunity to run recon since I was assigned as an 05B/05C.
I believe the purpose was standardization of commo, air ops, various methods of insertion and extraction etc. The first time I saw a McGuire rig (I was also pre-STABO) was for an emercency extraction. OTOH a recon man has to be able to think on the run. There were no two missions the same for me. Unfortunately "standardization" was also a stumbling block. The bad guys new the approximate time between a VR and insertion for wxample. I hope I haven't screwed up the roll call!! |
Its an honor gentlemen, and I mean that with all my heart.
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It's a great honor, and I too mean that with all my heart. We are very fortunate to have men such as yourselves here.
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From the Mugs that I drink my coffee, everyday: "YOU HAVE NEVER LIVED UNTIL YOU HAVE ALMOST DIED. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT, LIFE (AND FREEDOM) HAS A SPECIAL FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW." It's an Honor to be a part of this endeavor !! Take care all. Martin |
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The attached lists almost all of the RT's from CCN circa 71.
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Well guess I can finally qualify for something!
CCN Aug 69-70 11 RT North Carolina 11 RT Kansas Squad Leader HF (A Company - I think CRS again) just one mission and out... MLT2 and HICKORY RR (yeah I got around - but it wasn't always my choice). |
I served with MACVSOG at CCN August 1970-August 1971
Recon Teams Python - Klaus Bingham 10 and Virginia - Keith Messinger 10. Then worked for "No Toes Dover" at the Phu Bai launch site. Lots of stories but don't know what sort you want to hear. |
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This occured while I was at the Phu Bai Launch site. It was monsoon season. Weather had closed down in the AO, no teams on the ground. Benny Adkins NCOIC from the Quang
Tri launch site was visiting. Most of the launch site crew were assembled in the club drinking a "Recon Wreck" MSG Dover, our NCOIC and Benny got into an argument, about, of all things, which launch site had lost the most recon men. Their verbal argument soon escalated into a fist fight. Being one of the junior nco's in the bar ( E-5) I thought that was no way for two of our senior, well-decorated, combat experienced (Adkins had been in the A-Shau A camp that was overrun and was severly wounded yet returned to RVN) to be conducting themselves so I tried (foolish me) to break up the fight by stepping between the two combatants. I took a punch to the jaw for my trouble and as we were near the door of the bar I simply put my foot on the two embattled veterans and pushed them both out into the muddy street in the pouring rain. This failed to dampern their aggresion and they continued rolling about in the slime trying to win by KO. I went back to my drinking to ease the pain in my jaw and the next morning it was said that after they had worn themselves out Adkins spent the night in the team holding hooch on the airstrip and Dover ended up in his own cot in the barracks. :) |
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Martin, we meet again on 'nuther Forum
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I have all of John Plaster's books about SOG. IMHO, no one has done a better job of telling OUR story. Martin, c'ya at SOAR, I hope. Later. Toby 1-2, RT CAlifornia |
Welcome Toby!
Maj Plaster's books are a great read! TS |
Welcome Aboard Toby:cool:
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I see many SF List members have preceded me here. Later. Toby 1-2, RT California |
Welcome aboard Toby.
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Welcome TobyT!
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Welcome aboard Toby !! I'll definitely be at SOAR !!! Take care. Martin |
I just never heard it referred to as "thingy" before. I'll shut up now.
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If so, no sweat. Later. Toby 1-2, RT California |
Toby,
As a Quiet Professional all you need do is post a picture of an avatar you desire (or tell us where to find it), we will take care of the rest. TS |
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Later Martin |
Very nice avatar.
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Welcome, Toby. It is an honor to have you here.
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Hi Toby,
always good to have another SOGGIE on board! |
Y'all-
Thanx for the warm welcome. Some of the guys that I hold in the highest esteem are here on this Forum. Onliiest thing I can say is:It's good to be home. Later. Toby 1-2, RT California |
Hey, Toby! Good to see you!
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How ya been??????? Toby 1-2, RT California |
SOG Trivia Question (former members of these teams are NOT eligible to answer!):
There was something unique about RT New York and RT California relative to the other CCC teams. What was it? |
I wasn't there in the "CCC" time frame but I believe they were Vietnamese teams. Most teams in CCC were "Yard" but I know of one that also had Nungs.
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Both were "Heavy" teams with 3 Americans and 9 Indig. Both carried a B-40 rocket launcher, a mortar, and at least one belt fed gun. Also, I have heard talk that the One Zeros on both teams were considered to be Crazy by many folks, even in the Recon community. |
I am sure you have seen the term ST (Spike Team) as well as RT. In '68 the ST was what you call a "heavy Team". Most teams were Spike Teams and downsized to RT for particular missions. We carried several LAWs (one per member except for the 1-1 on my team). The reference to belt-fed weapons may explain the reference to "Crazy" though Papy Webb always carried an M-60.
On TM Cutlass I begged for and got a then experimental Stoner in LMG configuration. To start with, because of different security considerations, the Daniel Boone Teams operated as RTs and the Prarie Fire Teams operated as STs. |
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