David Oh Special Forces Fraud
 

David Oh

Professionalsoldiers.com is in possession of your official military records. And after close examination we have determined that you are not or ever were a member of the US Army Special Forces.

You may have tried but you never made it through the Special Forces Qualification course.

While someone in the 20th Group may have slotted you as an 18A you actually NEVER earned that title.

David Oh you are not or ever have been a Special Forces soldier, aka "Green Beret".

Team Sergeant

Clout: Military officers: Council hopeful Oh was no Green Beret
By Chris Brennan
Philadelphia Daily News

The short version of David Oh's political resume: The former city prosecutor enlisted in the U.S. Army National Guard, joined an elite Special Forces unit and then came home to run a law practice.

But two high-ranking military officers familiar with Oh's National Guard record say his claim to have been a Green Beret is bunk.



http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...html?viewAll=y

TS your not only the man, but the only man...


This gent has no clue of the pain that moves towards him...


How do I help spread the word??? :lifter

I yearn, somewhat, for the post-Viet Nam days, when some did not covet that which was not theirs!

Oh to contest report of his military service
The City Council candidate says he is “preparing an official response” to a report that he exaggerated his military record.
By Bob Warner

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

City Council candidate David Oh on Friday contested a Philadelphia Daily News report that he misrepresented his military record by describing himself as an officer with the Army’s 20th Special Forces Group, an elite unit whose members are popularly known as Green Berets.

“That is not a misrepresentation,” Oh wrote Friday in a Facebook post. “I served as a 2nd lieutenant, 20th Special Forces Group [Airborne]. I provided documentation of my service.”

Oh added that he was “preparing an official response” to the Daily News front-page article, which quoted his former commanding officer accusing Oh of “stretching” his claim of having been a Green Beret. Oh declined to say anything more on the record Friday.

Oh, 51, a lawyer, is making his third run for an at-large Council seat. In the May primary, he was the top vote-getter among the Republican at-large candidates. Two of five GOP candidates are likely to win seats in November.

His current website describes his military service as follows: “In 1988, David resigned from his position as Assistant D.A. to enlist in the U.S. Army … [W]ith hard work and perseverance, he qualified for Officer Candidates School, was promoted to 2nd Lieutenant, and joined the U.S. Army Special Forces ( Airborne). During Operation Desert Storm, David was called to active duty, but before he was deployed, the war ended. He received an honorable discharge and returned to Philadelphia.”

The website’s only prominent reference to Green Berets is a video clip from Glenn Devitt, president of United Northeast Neighbors, with a quotation pulled out as a headline: “David Oh has served this nation as a Green Beret, served this city as an Assistant District Attorney and served his community as a community leader.”

The controversy is based on the stringent training required to become a Special Forces-qualified officer — when Oh was in the service, it involved completion of a three-week Special Forces assessment course followed by nine more months of training at Fort Bragg, N.C.

Oh was already an officer when he was assigned to the Special Forces unit for training. He went through the initial three-week assessment course but was not invited to continue at Fort Bragg.

“I was the Special Forces company commander at the time, and Mr. Oh was in my unit,” Col. James E. Croall, the commanding officer quoted by the Daily News, told The Inquirer on Friday. Croall said he had a group of about 40 recruits for the Special Forces qualification course.

“Some make it, but a higher percentage of guys don’t make it,” he said. “David Oh was attached to our company for training, but he was not Special Forces-qualified.”

Croall said soldiers have to complete the additional ninemonth training program to be considered Special Forces, with the right to call themselves Green Berets.

But Nicholas Panarella, a Philadelphia lawyer who served in Special Forces in Vietnam and who later became executive officer of the 20th Special Forces Group — part of the Maryland National Guard — defended Oh.

“I know Jim [Croall]. I recruited him, and I recruited David outside a Philadelphia courtroom,” Panarella said. “This is not a stolen-valor-type issue. We are not Green Berets, that is something we wear. We are Special Forces. … While David was in our unit he was fully qualified to wear the Green Beret. … He was never Special Forces-qualified, but he didn’t have to be.”

Panarella dismissed the story as “a nonissue.”

“David is a second-generation Korean American who defined his citizenship … as owing something to his country,” Panarella said. “After he became a lawyer, when he was already in his career progression at the D.A.’s Office, he gave the government a blank check that said, ‘payable in full, even including my death.’ That’s something to honor, that’s not something to degrade.”


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Oh...mpid=124488824

LOL, now I'm laughing, a Full COL (National Guard) telling the media David Oh was fully qualified to wear the Green Beret, but.........

"He was never Special Forces-qualified, but he didn’t have to be.”"

This must be a different US Army Special Forces........Airsoft maybe?;)

Someone needs to send them a picture of a pregnant female wearing a "Green Beret" and ask if she is "Special Forces".

Well that's a new one on me, obviously National Guard Special Forces and "active duty" Special Forces have two completely different views on Special Forces Qualification..........


I know, let's ask Special Forces Command if David Oh earned the right to wear the "Green Beret....................;)

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Oh...mpid=124488824

Go look at David Oh's comment. Nice word-smithing. David is sure a lawyer!

He admits he didn't go to the Q-Course, admits he was not Special Forces Qualified, but he dances around the fact he was an 18A. An 18A is a Special Forces Officer, of which David Oh was not, by his own admission.

So if I get a pilot uniform, wear the wings and state I was a pilot on paper does that make me a pilot?

This guy is a soup sandwich.

David Oh was never a Green Beret, never earned the right to wear one and whoever the idiot was that slotted David Oh as an 18A needs to have his med's checked.

Maybe we should check on Nicholas Panarella as well. What actual Special Forces soldier would say something like that?

last i checked we all go to the same Q course.

If David Oh had been in the active duty Army, this would not be an issue because he would have been assigned to the JFK Special Warfare Center and School (SWCS) as a student pending completion of training to become an 18A (Special Forces Officer) and then either assignment as such to an active Special Forces unit or, as in his case, reassignment as an Infantry Officer to an Infantry unit for failing to complete the 18A course.

However, being in the National Guard, David Oh was assigned to the duty position he was seeking to fill within the unit pending preparation by his unit for him to attend and complete the training for that job. In his case, it was an 18A duty position and he was listed as being "slotted" (carried on the unit's manning roster for unit strength reporting purposes) in that duty position even though he was not yet qualified to perform those duties.

However, for those who know and who complete the required training to earn the honor of being called a a Special Forces Officer or "Green Beret," David Oh did not complete the requirements and - like many - merely served for a period of time with a Special Forces unit...but was never a "Green Beret" or an 18A (a duty position on the unit's manning roster in which he was slotted for a period of time) as he seems to have alluded to over the years.

As an 18A, I was an "Officer in Special Forces" which means I was an SF qualified Officer who served as such in that duty position. David Oh was not an "Officer in the Special Forces" - he was an Infantry Officer either assigned to or serving with a Special Forces unit and being carried in an 18A duty position pending completion of the training required to fulfill that job. There is a distinction and David Oh well knows it.

For someone who either is or was truly Special Forces qualified, David Oh's lawyerly waffling on the subject and explanatory letter to The Inquirer rings patently hollow, and is an indicator IMO that he is not as honorable as he wants others to believe. Sad.

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Very well put. That is the explanation that needs to be used to bust him out. Send it to his political opponents.

I have orders awarding me an SF Tab and making me an 18A.

Does he?

TR

For colmurph
 

For colmurph.

PS.com has been aware of and tracking Mr Oh since May 2011. We don't "hijack" poser threads. In fact we drop many cases when they are busted out by others.

You also have orders saying you were to take command of a SF ODA, take command of a SF Battalion, and serves as a Special Forces soldiers for a period of "X" months in a command position and at the pleasure of the United States Army.

--------BT------------

Oh's record, poorly written. He should have just stated the truth.

"After completion of OCS, and IOBC (11A), I singed up for Special Forces. I attended SFAS, and was not selected to continue in the training 'pipe line'.

I returned home and continued my education and civilian practice, I'm currently running for public office. Please vote for me."

----------BT-----------

But that would not make much sense, since any news is good news, and it allows someone to talk more about themselves, which is what every politico is attempting.

And Professionalsoldiers.com sent for and are in possession of David Oh's military records since Jun 2011. Now colmurph, what might that suggest to you?

Let me tell you a Professionalsoldiers.com secret, at any given moment we are tracking a few dozen "suspected" Special Forces Frauds. Some turn out to be the real deal! Some like David Oh turn out to be frauds.

We don't "highjack" threads.

Team Sergeant

What part of "NON SELECT" to continue training is hard to understand when discussing whether one has earned the right to call himself a Special Forces Soldier? If one is not selected to continue training in the QUALIFICATION Course, how does that individual earn the right to wear the Tab or call himself Special Forces.

Mr. Oh, your logic circuits are malfunctioning.

David Oh facebook page
 

David Oh facebook page, he's calling us "sensitive".

http://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Oh/129058423834067

You Special Forces soldiers, Please go and tell David Oh what you think of his using out title.

Team Sergeant

Edit to add: You must first "Like" the page before you can comment.

nothing quite like painting with a broad brush
 

That statement is horseshit, TS. And you know it.

As a current NG officer who has served over 21 years in total... 16 of those years being SF Qualified and associated with Active and NG SF. I cannot stand silent in the face of that statement...

I resent the broad-brush insinuation that just because someone is serving or has served in the NG that they somehow hold being Special Forces qualified somehow more cheaply than those who are currently "active duty" or those with active duty time that never served in the NG. The NG SF wounded don't deserve it, our dead don't deserve it and those that continue to stand ready in our formations, oftentimes needing to sign volunteer statements simply to be allowed to deploy with their units, don't deserve it.

Besides... if one were to read the article more closely the one person defending Oh, is never reported to be a COL. He is reported to be former SF in Vietnam who then served in 20th. So I guess we need to assume that some other groups beyond "National Guard Special Forces" have a different view of SF Qualification. Right?

Wrong. That would be as horseshit as the first generalization.

I think he was being sarcastic...

Great pic of your Boxer BTW. I love Boxers:D

I didn't think I needed the pink font.......;)

I'm glad you're pissed. Now that we're on the same sheet of music I would expect the National Guard SF to rip this politician a new rear end.
20th Group needs to make a statement and explain how and why this clown was slotted as an 18A. And why he would NEVER be considered a Special Forces Officer, 18A or Green Beret.....

Highly entertaining material.

From David Oh's Facebook page:

Quote:

As I was writing my response to the Newspaper, I suddenly realized what you are talking about. You are using Green Beret, as in SF Qualified, and I am using green beret, as in eveyone in the SF commuity regardless of SF Tab. You are using Special Forces officer as in SF Qualified Officer and I am using it as any officer who served in an SF unit. I simply listed my service on my resume and literature. It can easily say "Officer (not SF Qualifed), 20th Special Forces Group (Airborne)". Is this what this has been all about??? A simple note would have sufficed. I have many SF friends but no one mentioned it to me and I never thought of it any other way. Can be cleared up relatively quickly... new literature and such. This is such a non-issue. I am proud of my service without being SF Qualified. I did not intended to create any other impression. I hope that resolves your issue. My issue as I said is the election and the accusations from the reporter. You are operating at level of sensitivity to terms that almost no one else has. For the nuances in terms to the average reader, that we are talking about, accusations of fraud and misrepresentation of military service are unwarranted and improper.

That's about the biggest pile of weasel-worded equus hemionus hemionus waste materrial I've run across lately. :mad:

Richard :munchin

Roger, Team Sergeant!:lifter

I'll close my eyes, hug myself, and imagine it is you.:p

I'll be all better in a minute.

WHAT THE F***?:confused::confused:

Stay safe.

Yeah, I read sarcasm also

Oh is dissembling. Making it sound as if their are many different interpretations of what SF means.

Dude is a politician AND a lawyer...:rolleyes:

David Oh Green Beret
 

I wonder where Glenn Devitt got that information? We all know David said he was NOT Special Forces Qualified.????????

Funny this is posted on David Oh's website:


"David Oh has served this nation as a Green Beret, served this city as an Assistant District Attorney and served his community as a community leader."
Glenn Devitt
President, United Northeast Neighbors

http://www.davidoh.org/

Yeah that is so messed up, especially the second part. ;)

You're stuttering again. ;)

Richard :munchin

Good idea for a Deadliest Warrior episode.

Well said Sir, and I suspected TS was stirring the pot.

I know and served with all three of the nitwits :cool: mentioned in the articles.

Oh was a happy go lucky Lt who never got qualified, he was a Protege of Nick Panarella, a CPT of 5thGp lineage and a low-life defense attorney who made a living defending the drug lords of Philadelphia. I am sure he saw Oh as a potential asset in the prosecutors office while he was trying to buy a company command. When he was not selected he packed his ruck and disappeared.
Oh fell off the ranks at the same time.
Croall (AKA Bigfoot) was of 7th Gp lineage and a good company commander, he was a COL when he retired and commanded the SOD during the invasion of Iraq. Croall and another unnamed Sr officer blew the whistle, Croall and the other Officer are 20th Gp.

At any time our 1379 was 130-140% and our Q was about 80%. We had to carry all the NQP's on our rolls. The only officer rolls on the MTOE for the Company were 18A's I suspect this is how Oh claims he was assigned as a 18A and given the out processing mess at the end of "The Great Disappointment" who knows what his 214 said.

The Guard SF is different as for the most part we recruit and grow our own. This is made even more difficult for states that have a lone line company without the build in support that a AA entity would have.

I am proud to have served 17 years, in the 20th Gp and to have worked with great AD and RC Soldiers.

This is not a NG problem but one of human nature.

Well said and thanks for your service NG USSF GB! :lifter ~no sarcasm intended~

Yeahhhhhh and not very good at either....:p

Nothing like hearing it straight from someone who has first-hand knowledge.

As Richard stated in an earlier post and you state here, the issue is that the NG does not have a TTHS account as does Mother Army. Everyone has to be assigned to a unit somewhere. You are going thru the SFQC, you are on some NG SF unit's books somewhere.

Currently the "best practice" is to leave potential SFers in their units until after they finish SFAS and then transfer in. All those bubbas go into the unit as non-quals and stay that way until they graduate and get updated in SIDPERS or fail and go back to wherever they came from.

This is a pic of David Oh from his Facebook page attending some event and doing what he claims he has not done - pretending to be a "Green Beret Officer."

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

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shitbag.

Hey, quick question.

The last time I wore a beret, it had the SFA 10+ year crest, I was wearing also shorts, T-shirt, flip flops and I was busy opening beers for friends.

I'm ok with the uniform, right?