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Electron 07-15-2008 05:21

Expedient SATCOM Antenna
 
I've created an antenna that is growing in popularity very quickly. It is a field-expedient SATCOM antenna that weighs less than a pound and could fold up small enough to fit into a sandwich baggie. Since it is a high-angle satellite in that area, the antenna could plug directly into the PSC-5. It only takes about 10-15 minutes to make and will work when hand-held, tossed on the ground, mounted on a vehicle or a rooftop. It is flexible and durable and could replace the bulky "X" wing in a pinch. The Team Sergeant has posted the plans in the SF Only forum. Tests recently done have determined the actual gain to be somewhere around 2.6 dB.

glebo 07-15-2008 06:10

field exp SACTOM ant
 
I'm gonna PM you and give you my soc email. I'm the 18E training developer up here in SWC. If ya don't mind, showing/instructing the new E's on how to build that would be great for them. We teach them now how to build an expedient sat ant (three element yagi) with tinker toy sticks or pieces of wood, but if yours is different, hey another tool for the bag.

thanks

Electron 07-15-2008 06:24

HI-Gain SAT Ant Instructions
 
If anyone is interested, here's how: 1005 divided by the frequency in MHz will give you the length in feet. Multiply by 12 to get the length in inches. For example: a TX freq of 265 MHZ would require a 45 1/2 inch long wire. An RX freq of 250 MHz would require a wire 48 1/4 inches long. The RX freq is almost always lower than the TX freq, so the RX antenna would be slightly longer. (the closer you get to the exact length, the better your gain will be) Use the solid core 12-3 electrician wire that is normally used to wire household electrical sockets and stuff.

Use a BNC plug-to-two BNC jack Tee connector and two BNC plug-to-red and black binding post connectors. Connect the binding post connectors to the tee connector, ensuring that as you look at it, the same color posts are diagonal from each other. ADD 1 inch to the length of each of your wires to compensate for a stripped 1/2 inch, 90 degree bend at each end of the wire that will be inserted into the binding posts. Form each wire into a loop, insert the stripped end into the binding post and cinch down tightly. The RX loop must be on the bottom and the TX loop on top.

Connect to your radio and it's game-on.

Swamp 07-15-2008 11:46

Electron, sent you a e-mail....Regards

Electron 07-16-2008 12:24

Photo of the Antenna
 
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Your antenna should look similar to this...

Dealer 07-17-2008 06:32

PM Sent, E.

Electron 07-17-2008 14:35

NSN for Connector
 
The NSN for the BNC to Binding Post connector is
5935-01-371-4140

The NSN for the BNC Plug to two BNC Jack is
5935-01-496-4794

The NSN for the 3-Piece BNC crimp connector is
5935-00-071-7477

Another useful NSN is for a connector adapter set:
5935-01-373-6505

HeavyDrop 08-09-2008 21:55

Thanks!!
 
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I successfully made comms with higher during an air assault. I noted higher gain than the AV-2055 and it fit in my cargo pocket. Electron also adapted this idea for vehicle use. We rolled with it successfully for more than 2 months on GMV and RG31! Credit where credit is due!

KillerCommo 08-25-2008 09:32

...interested
 
Sound alot better than what I'm working w/ now. I'd like some more info Electron. Thanks.

Akinci 08-25-2008 10:00

PM sent

Team Sergeant 08-25-2008 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyDrop (Post 220261)
I successfully made comms with higher during an air assault. I noted higher gain than the AV-2055 and it fit in my cargo pocket. Electron also adapted this idea for vehicle use. We rolled with it successfully for more than 2 months on GMV and RG31! Credit where credit is due!

If and when you get the time get rid of the connectors. By looking at your set up you are losing quite a bit of gain with all those connectors.

What do you think Electron?

TS

Chris Cram 08-25-2008 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyDrop (Post 220261)
I successfully made comms with higher during an air assault. I noted higher gain than the AV-2055 and it fit in my cargo pocket. Electron also adapted this idea for vehicle use. We rolled with it successfully for more than 2 months on GMV and RG31! Credit where credit is due!

It looks like a plug-and-play from the parts box, circumventing the shorts issues. (clever)

As per TS's comment...
Quote:

By looking at your set up you are losing quite a bit of gain with all those connectors.
Could you prefab a PVC version using a single BNC mount, 4 Binding Posts and enough hot glue to keep clean, dry and intact?
Or are you trying to have a unit that you can put together and maintain with field parts?

Simplicity is a very good thing. :munchin

HeavyDrop 08-26-2008 12:34

Simple!
 
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Getting rid of the connectors would help for sure. But the gain was adequate and using the connectors made it more durable and replaceable for use in the field. The versions that we constructed with the soldering iron were not as durable and needed to be encased in foam and wrapped in 100mph tape for use on the vehicles.

charlietwo 08-26-2008 12:51

An Echo adding equipment to the team that doesn't weigh anything -- quite the concept! :p
Kudos, Electron! Can't beat ingenuity!

C2

Electron 08-27-2008 09:58

Getting Rid of the Connectors
 
I would recommend getting rid of the connectors if you can. Make all your measurements, add them up and try to make it from one continuous piece of wire. The one I have pictured above is made from one continuous piece with only one solder joint to connect the ends together. The other solder joint is to connect the RG-58 shield-to-ground. The connectors might affect the gain, but with the connectors, you can have a variety of wire lengths for a better frequency range, so there would be a trade-off from performance. Even the antenna using the connectors gets average gain.

Chris Cram 08-27-2008 10:08

good morning Elec

In the photo above (antenna on hood), does/could the hood itself increase the efficiency of the antenna?

Team Sergeant 08-27-2008 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Cram (Post 222456)
good morning Elec

In the photo above (antenna on hood), does/could the hood itself increase the efficiency of the antenna?

Depending on what it's made of, the hood should act as a bit of a reflector.

The Reaper 08-27-2008 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 222460)
Depending on what it's made of, the hood should act as a bit of a reflector.

I believe that it is fiberglass.

TR

Electron 08-27-2008 10:48

The effect of the earth ground, vehicles, building roofs, etc.. do not seem to have any effect on the performance of the antenna. You could even hold it in your hand. The bottom loop is the ground plane, so it doesn't matter where you place the anenna as long as it can see the sky and is pointed in the general direction of the satellite.

Chris Cram 08-27-2008 10:56

I wish my homebrews worked as well.

Simple, tuff and efficient… So who holds the patent? :D :munchin

Electron 08-27-2008 10:59

Patent Pending
 
I got the basic idea from the AARL Antenna Handbook. I made numerous antennae that didn't work before I made one that does. Open source. See the instructions in the SF Only section.

69harley 08-29-2008 13:17

Gents,

My favorite antenna guru had this to say about the dual loop antenna posted in this thread.

We might have an opportunity to play with this in the coming months, thanks for bringing it to our attention. It's an interesting structure.

Begin forwarded message:

We have two loops separated by 7 inches or so and fed 180 degrees out of phase.

Whatever the impedance of the loops at the operating freq. (240-320 MHz), the coaxial cable "sees" 1/2 that. Thus if the input impedance to each loop is 100 ohms, the coax connector will see 50 ohm load.

The spacing of the loops is 7 inches or so, and the wavelength is (lets say 280 MHz -- mid-band) approx 42 inches. Thus the spacing is 7/42 wavelengths = 0.17 wavelengths. This is too small to form a "beam" antenna. But; note that the loops have horizontal polarization along the horizon (if held with the plane of the loop horizontal) (it behaves as a magnetic dipole oriented vertically). The loops also have a polarization null directly overhead. And, since they are fed 180 deg. out of phase, they have a null at the horizon. The final pattern is a broad lobe at 30 to 60 degrees or so from vertical and nulls overhead and at the horizon. The polarization is "horizontal" from the point of view of a satellite near 45 degrees from user overhead.

So, we have a donut pattern.

Caution, there is also a downward mirror image pattern. Its reflection from the ground is messy.

Knowing the pattern can we estimate the gain? Not off the top of my head. I will go out on a limb and guess the gain is near 4 dBi minus losses due to the impedance mismatch.
-End of quote.

We built an antenna like the one in the pictures and will run it through testing in the test chamber in the next couple of months.

I will post the test results when they are completed. Not to discount any of the claims here, but claiming a gain above 10db for this antenna is ridiculous and irresponsible. Especially in this forum.

This in no way implies that RF engineers and their antenna modeling software programs are always right. According to most of them my 113 foot long piece of wire laying on the ground should never work, but it does.

I will post the formal results when they are completed.

glebo 08-29-2008 15:32

I agree that the DB rating is a bit overated somewhat. Like mentioned by 69 harley, it's pretty much two full loops (one up-link, the other down link)...well not a quad, because that would be four elements, but two full wave loops somewhat in-phase (I believe). I "assume" the DB readings were taken off the display off the PSC-5, they are not the actual DB readings of the radiation off the antenna (you'd have to put that in an anochoic chamber, or input into some high speed program). I have talked to folks and they say it does work very well in that particular environment (CENTCOM). I would like some of the PACOM/SOUTHCOM commo guys try it out. It may have different characteristics in those areas due to the inherent ground characteristics. You can figure that out just by the AO's they are in.

We will start showing/building this antenna in the 18E course, just another thing to put in their "tool box" we t show them now to build an expedient three element yagi, (for VHF/UHF) amongst a couple of others, but that takes some pieces of wood or whatever for stability and spacing. This one kinda holds its own per se.

Anyway, I wish the 18E's would dive into the ARRL antenna handbook, no telling what may show up as a great expedient antenna, or whatever else they can come up with.

cheers.

smitty 09-01-2008 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electron (Post 216605)
I've created an antenna that is growing in popularity very quickly. It is a field-expedient SATCOM antenna that weighs less than a pound and could fold up small enough to fit into a sandwich baggie. Some teams reported gain readings from 38dB up to 44 dB while deployed to Afghanistan. Since it is a high-angle satellite in that area, the antenna could plug directly into the PSC-5. It only takes about 10-15 minutes to make and will work when hand-held, tossed on the ground, mounted on a vehicle or a rooftop. It is flexible and durable and could replace the bulky "X" wing. If anyone is interested, let me know.

Send me the info and I will put it to the test...

regards,
smitty

69harley 09-01-2008 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69harley (Post 222797)
Gents,

My favorite antenna guru had this to say about the dual loop antenna posted in this thread.

We might have an opportunity to play with this in the coming months, thanks for bringing it to our attention. It's an interesting structure.

Begin forwarded message:

We have two loops separated by 7 inches or so and fed 180 degrees out of phase.

Whatever the impedance of the loops at the operating freq. (240-320 MHz), the coaxial cable "sees" 1/2 that. Thus if the input impedance to each loop is 100 ohms, the coax connector will see 50 ohm load.

The spacing of the loops is 7 inches or so, and the wavelength is (lets say 280 MHz -- mid-band) approx 42 inches. Thus the spacing is 7/42 wavelengths = 0.17 wavelengths. This is too small to form a "beam" antenna. But; note that the loops have horizontal polarization along the horizon (if held with the plane of the loop horizontal) (it behaves as a magnetic dipole oriented vertically). The loops also have a polarization null directly overhead. And, since they are fed 180 deg. out of phase, they have a null at the horizon. The final pattern is a broad lobe at 30 to 60 degrees or so from vertical and nulls overhead and at the horizon. The polarization is "horizontal" from the point of view of a satellite near 45 degrees from user overhead.

So, we have a donut pattern.

Caution, there is also a downward mirror image pattern. Its reflection from the ground is messy.

Knowing the pattern can we estimate the gain? Not off the top of my head. I will go out on a limb and guess the gain is near 4 dBi minus losses due to the impedance mismatch.
-End of quote.

We built an antenna like the one in the pictures and will run it through testing in the test chamber in the next couple of months.

I will post the test results when they are completed. Not to discount any of the claims here, but claiming a gain above 10db for this antenna is ridiculous and irresponsible. Especially in this forum.

This in no way implies that RF engineers and their antenna modeling software programs are always right. According to most of them my 113 foot long piece of wire laying on the ground should never work, but it does.

I will post the formal results when they are completed.

We have this antenna scheduled to go into the test chamber next week. I think the 44 db gain claim is way off and is borderline silly to claim in this forum.

We built one of these, and were able to close the loop on a good SC 25K bird. We did some preliminary testing using a PSC-5D and a 117F in manpack mode, with and external 25 watt amplifier (RAMP-25) and an external 100 watt amplifier (TSE-AM-SAT-100). In all three modes we did side by side testing with the experimental antenna, an AV-2055 without extenders and an AV-2011.

The 117F and PSC-5D were able to max all loopback tests with the 2011, regardless of amplifiers used or not used. With the 2055, loopback test were consistently in the 80 percent range. The experimental antenna averaged 65 percent.

The 20011 has 15 db of gain, the 2055 without extenders is 5 db, we guess the experimental to be around 4 db of gain.

This antenna works, but nowhere near the 44 db claimed.

Like I said, next week it will go into the RF test chamber, the results will be posted here.

SF_BHT 09-01-2008 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69harley (Post 223217)
We have this antenna scheduled to go into the test chamber next week. I think the 44 db gain claim is way off and is borderline silly to claim in this forum.

We built one of these, and were able to close the loop on a good SC 25K bird. We did some preliminary testing using a PSC-5D and a 117F in manpack mode, with and external 25 watt amplifier (RAMP-25) and an external 100 watt amplifier (TSE-AM-SAT-100). In all three modes we did side by side testing with the experimental antenna, an AV-2055 without extenders and an AV-2011.

The 117F and PSC-5D were able to max all loopback tests with the 2011, regardless of amplifiers used or not used. With the 2055, loopback test were consistently in the 80 percent range. The experimental antenna averaged 65 percent.

The 20011 has 15 db of gain, the 2055 without extenders is 5 db, we guess the experimental to be around 4 db of gain.

This antenna works, but nowhere near the 44 db claimed.

Like I said, next week it will go into the RF test chamber, the results will be posted here.

Like Glebo said before they are taking reading of of their radios. They do not have access to the equipment you must have and you have to give them credit for trying to reduce the load and make a item that will work in their environment. Please do not stifle their creativeness with High Tech Lab critiques. I work with a lot of Electronics Engineers that are smarter than all of us. They can build a lot of stuff in a Lab but it does not make the grade out side. We all know that the db readings are not right but this antenna does work. I have built 2 (soldered/Connecters) and have used them in SA in the last week. Not as good as the factory ones but it is not intended to totally replace them. You can put it in your pouch and get up and running, if your factory one breaks/blown up/etc you now know how to make a field expedient one.

I applaud Electron for thinking outside the box and it looks like 18E's are and have been using them with success. Looking forward to the bench test next week. Never hurts to have an extra antenna. Remenber 1 is none, 2 is 1.

glebo 09-02-2008 06:33

I concur with what SF_BHT had to say. My hats off to electron for figuring this thing out and getting it out to the 18E and commo community. As far as 69 Harley wanting to test the antenna, that is a good idea so we really know what its capabilities and characteristics are. I don't think (and I am speaking for myself) we are trying to denegrate that antenna. Just trying to get the correct facts out, after all we are supposed to be the "experts".

I think its another great tool for the E toolbox, anything to help out the Joe's is great.

Anyway, my .02 worth.

keep the shiny side up!

Roger_Out 09-02-2008 07:32

Anyone able to shoot me the specs so we can give it a try out our way? Be nice to have for the air insertions we are doing on a regular basis right now, for use with the 148 to report up the chain. Using the 2055 right now, but if it can save some setup time and make moving around on the ground with it available for use, that would be great. We've been pulling out the 2055 when we hit the ground and just walking around with it setup, but when you're on the ground 2 hours being tethered to that thing can get to be kind of an annoyance. Thanks guys.

69harley 09-02-2008 09:40

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There are two non-Trivec antennas that I have used and really like.

One is made by RF Concepts and marketed exclusively by TSE Inc, has a quick draw holster, a solid 6db of gain and is very light. My wife can un-stow it, make comms and holster it in under 30 seconds. My wife has never been in the military, I just use her to test stuff.

Attachment 9943


The other antenna is made by Syntonics, very light weight and incredibly rugged, not impossible to break, but much more durable than anything made by Trivec. This antenna includes a true reflector and provides 5 or 8db of gain, depending on if the gain extender is used.

Attachment 9944

Unlike anything made by Trivec, both of these antennas are available from TSE in less than 30 days.

Electron 09-03-2008 06:26

Gain
 
The gain reading of 40+ was taken from the display from the PSC-5D with the antenna on the roof of an RG-31 while deployed with the satellite at a high angle at mid-afternoon and the gain reading of 34 was taken from the PSC-5D front panel with the antenna resting on the ground (again deployed, late afternoon with a high-angle satellite).

I look forward to test results from "the chamber" to get some actual scientific data and true gain readings. I am not claiming this to be the greatest thing since the pyramids, but it is useful as a field-expedient antenna if your X-wing or AV-2040 is out of commission.

I fully support and recommend putting this through the gambit of tests. One word to the personnel testing the antenna, try connecting a trimmer capacitor (6-70 pF) and connect it between the (+) and the (-). This may help with tuning.

69harley 09-03-2008 11:23

The RF test chamber is located in the Quantico area. If you are in the know then you know where I am referring to.

Our engineers have several tweaks to apply to this antenna. The trim capacitor being one of them.

We will try to do as many different tests as possible, however, our paid reason for being in the chamber is a different project. I am going to work this antenna in as much as possible, but we only have the test chamber for a certain amount of time.

At the very least we will measure the antenna gain, front to back ratio, and radiation lobes.

steelcobra 09-07-2008 11:15

I'm currently working with a variant designed from electron's specs he gave me using the materials readily available that we have in our commo shop. Using RG213 as the radiators, it gets solid VSWR for an improvised antenna, but I'm having issues correcting the impedance. When connected directly to a PSC-5, it gets a crystal clear transmit, with light static receive.

I tried using a sleeve balun (non-radiating model constructed from a 1/4 wavelength copper tube around the cable, then electrically connected to the sleeve opposite the connector, worked for a UHF dipole) but though it improved the VSWR, it still didn't function through the cable. I'm thinking of trying a choke balun next, but stuck trying to figure out the diameter/coil length.

69harley 09-11-2008 15:50

We had the field expediant in the test chamber for a couple of tests today. The customer is paying for other stuff, but we had some setup time in between the 'paid tests' that were able to use.

BLUF - 2.6 -2.9 db of gain over the entire UFH SATCOM range. The radiation pattern that comes off this antenna is not as focused as say a 2055 or 2040. On the chart it looks more like funnel than beam. It may be able to be fine tuned by adjusting all of the variables, but without dedicated chamber time it would be almost like finding a needle in a haystack.

Maybe someone out there has a bunch of EOY money left over and would like to buy some test chamber time?

Anyway, 2.5-2.7 db of gain on a homemade array is not bad at all.

K

Electron 09-12-2008 04:43

Updated Information
 
Thank you for the effort to get the info on the antenna. The data you provided will be valuable to those in the field.

glebo 09-12-2008 06:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69harley (Post 224559)
We had the field expediant in the test chamber for a couple of tests today. The customer is paying for other stuff, but we had some setup time in between the 'paid tests' that were able to use.

BLUF - 2.6 -2.9 db of gain over the entire UFH SATCOM range. The radiation pattern that comes off this antenna is not as focused as say a 2055 or 2040. On the chart it looks more like funnel than beam. It may be able to be fine tuned by adjusting all of the variables, but without dedicated chamber time it would be almost like finding a needle in a haystack.

Maybe someone out there has a bunch of EOY money left over and would like to buy some test chamber time?

Anyway, 2.5-2.7 db of gain on a homemade array is not bad at all.

K

is that dbi or dbd?? If it's dbi, thats only about equivelent to a 1/2 wave doublet. A doublet has 2.14 db's over isotropic.

But, hey as they say, what's the best antenna?.......the one that works!

Electron 10-21-2008 06:12

Feedback
 
...been getting some good feedback on the antenna... This is an e-mail I received the other day. I've omitted the name, number and unit information.

<<Electron>>,
We tested your antenna today with excellent results. We were running data thru FTP on a DAMA channel, antenna cut to freq for the channel and had 40 – 50 RSI. Had it tilted on a ruck…was ok, had it tilted by hand and of course it worked much better since the birds on the horizon. Thought I’d share this with you, many thanks.
r/
<<Name Omitted>>

XXXXXXXXXXXX
Training Instructor, Communications
Co _, __ BN, ________ (A)
(XXX) XXX-XXXX, DSN-XXX-XXXX

glebo 10-22-2008 06:44

Good news, one of the committee guys (SATCOM Inst.) said he was gonna build one and test it. Also the guys out at Robin Sage. Hope it works out well for them. Thanks for making it available Electron.

L-10 10-31-2008 16:36

Satcom ant. math formula
 
what is the 1500 in the formula?

1500/ MHZ = L L * 12= ----inches

The Reaper 10-31-2008 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-10 (Post 232801)
what is the 1500 in the formula?

1500/ MHZ = L L * 12= ----inches


Better question, who are you and why did you not comply with your registration message or the stickies before jumping into a discussion?

TR

L-10 10-31-2008 20:06

my bad
 
Hey Reaper my bad for posting on here first.


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