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cbtengr 07-25-2013 19:04

AF Chaplain under fire
 
Further proof of the erosion of this countries moral compass. Only one opinion that counts in this country, the opinion of the offended. Of course no one cares if this BS offends any of us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-foxholes.html

BryanK 07-25-2013 19:28

Well, I had my first "DADT Repeal" briefing in a base chapel whilst mobilizing :rolleyes:
Moral compass you say? Their moral compass is so f'd up that they couldn't lead a penny to a whore house.

PSM 07-25-2013 22:18

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Originally Posted by BryanK (Post 516848)
...they couldn't lead a penny to a whore house.

¿Que? I'm not sure I could either. :confused:

Pat

Irishsquid 07-26-2013 06:00

Hate speech? Wow. That may be the dumbest effing thing I've ever read. I disagree with the good Chaplain, but that certainly doesn't make anything hate speech...I will say, though, that I find the concept of a country having a 'moral compass,' kind of confusing. People have moral compasses, and most morals are completely subjective...so for a nation of varied individuals to have a moral compass is just...confusing...

If, however, we decide that a country should have a moral compass, decided based on its adherence to the ethics or morals required by a given religion, then I'll say this country's moral compass was gone long before any of us were born...and it had nothing to do with Chaplains...

Richard 07-26-2013 07:30

Original story and chaplain's OpEd piece if anyone's interested in reading it.

Personally, I think the CH Reyes did an excellent job of 'walking the line' of not declaring a necessity for any 'religious' faith in his opinion piece and the JBER Cdr was in error in not standing up for what he said and his right to say it.

Richard


Chaplain Ordered to Remove Religious Essay From Military Website
FoxNewsRadio

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...y-website.html

JHD 07-26-2013 07:56

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 516885)
Original story and chaplain's OpEd piece if anyone's interested in reading it.

Personally, I think the CH Reyes did an excellent job of 'walking the line' of not declaring a necessity for any 'religious' faith in his opinion piece and the JBER Cdr was in error in not standing up for what he said and his right to say it.

Richard


Chaplain Ordered to Remove Religious Essay From Military Website
FoxNewsRadio

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...y-website.html

Agree. I thought his piece was fair and balanced. I wonder if the situation had been reversed and an atheist wrote an opinion on why there was no God. If Christians had then complained, would the piece have been pulled?

Irishsquid 07-26-2013 08:28

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Originally Posted by JHD (Post 516887)
Agree. I thought his piece was fair and balanced. I wonder if the situation had been reversed and an atheist wrote an opinion on why there was no God. If Christians had then complained, would the piece have been pulled?


In general, I think both sides should just keep it to themselves, and stop writing articles. Atheism is just as much a 'faith,' as any religion, and equally irritating when it is pushed on me. I tend to follow the philosophy of "Religion is like a penis. It's ok to have one, and it's ok to be proud of it, but it's not ok to take it out and wave it around."

JHD 07-26-2013 08:35

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Originally Posted by Irishsquid (Post 516890)
In general, I think both sides should just keep it to themselves, and stop writing articles. Atheism is just as much a 'faith,' as any religion, and equally irritating when it is pushed on me. I tend to follow the philosophy of "Religion is like a penis. It's ok to have one, and it's ok to be proud of it, but it's not ok to take it out and wave it around."

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but based on where he wrote it, his regular column, Chaplain's Corner, it seems like faith would be the primary topic.

The Reaper 07-26-2013 09:35

Our progress in becoming a nation of the offended is nearly complete.

TR

craigepo 07-26-2013 10:09

Father Emil Kapaun just received a posthumous Medal of Honor for his Korean War service. Fast-forward to today, and we discipline a military chaplain for this?

There are a lot of overpaid leaders in this country.

Trapper John 07-26-2013 11:29

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 516900)
Our progress in becoming a nation of the offended is nearly complete.

TR

BiNGO!! Well said, well said. :lifter

cbtengr 07-26-2013 19:46

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Originally Posted by Irishsquid (Post 516890)
In general, I think both sides should just keep it to themselves, and stop writing articles. Atheism is just as much a 'faith,' as any religion, and equally irritating when it is pushed on me. I tend to follow the philosophy of "Religion is like a penis. It's ok to have one, and it's ok to be proud of it, but it's not ok to take it out and wave it around."

Have I missed something here, does the military now force religion on it's soldiers? I would never force my beliefs on anyone and in the same vein I would expect the same from those whose views differ from mine. If you are an atheist fine, if that works for you great. This man is a CHAPLAIN, it's all about his faith, it's his column and he is certainly entitled to his beliefs.

Irishsquid 07-27-2013 02:14

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 516949)
Have I missed something here, does the military now force religion on it's soldiers?

Well, simply put, yes. Each and every time someone is forced to bow his/her head for a farce of a prayer. I didn't have a problem with it back when I went through boot camp, because I was a staunch Christian at the time...but yes...it was most certainly pushed. Right up there with "You can go to church on sunday, or you can police the barracks. Only way you get to rest is if you go to church."


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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 516952)
Look up the job of a Chaplin/minister/rabbi etc. It is to preach and talk to others about their faith. Notice I did not say push it on people but it is his JOB to talk about his faith, not keep it to himself.

That, I agree with. It is his job...and as I said, calling what he said 'hate speech,' is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I think the guy should be able to stand there in the middle of the service and preach his faith. Not watered down, not 'seeker-friendly,' and not PC. I think that is his job. I just don't exactly understand why there is a "Chaplain's Corner." If I want to get preached at, I'll go to the Sunday service. Then again, I suppose I always have the right not to read it...but can we at least have a "Physicist's Corner?" Clearly, that is a jest...really, though, yeah, my comment about not writing the article was out of line. It IS the Chaplain's job to preach his faith, and if he is given the space to do so in print, he should do so. He should also do so without fear that some idiot will cry "hate speech."

If the world wants to hear an example of hate speech, they should come talk to me, not a Chaplain in the service of a faith that truly does preach love for one's fellow man, regardless of what some of its practitioners do...

Paslode 07-27-2013 08:32

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 516900)
Our progress in becoming a nation of the offended is nearly complete.

TR

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After stints at prominent law firms in both New York City and Washington D.C., Mikey served as the first General Counsel to Texas billionaire and two-time Presidential candidate H. Ross Perot and Perot Systems Corporation. He left Mr. Perot’s employ in 2006 to focus his fulltime attention on the nonprofit charitable foundation he founded to directly battle the far-right militant radical evangelical religious fundamentalists: the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. (http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org)

And like many in the NOT 4 Profit Industry Mikey probably receives ample compensation for their so-called philanthropic work.

The funny thing is he doesn't say much about Radical Islam, his focus is Christianity.....I am guessing the Anti-Christian donor pool is far larger and far less life threatening.

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**SNIP**

About CAIR though, you’ve made some very ill-informed claims. They actually do preach tolerance, and loudly! This is why they are our allies. They support equal treatment of all US citizens, regardless of their religious allegiance. You’ve also made the claim that they support a “fake fantage religion, that is satanic.” No one could begin to argue that their religion is fake. It has more adherents than yours. While I’m not a believer of any of the religions that are causing you such severe indigestion, your argument that Islam is “fake” is hardly one coming from a person well versed in world religions. As for it being a satanic religion…well, you’ve jumped ship altogether there. The Islamic tradition does not worship or support Satan. They’re actually on your team as far as that character goes. Not friendly to the guy at all.

Cheers,

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of West Point Affairs

And who is Blake Page....

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Blake-Page/1880909235

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-...b_2232279.html


Here is an interview with Mikey:

http://www.pjvoice.com/v32/32300words.aspx

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About four or five months later, I was at the Academy for a conference, when my younger son (who had just finished the arduous one-month combat survival training) asked me if it would be possible to sit down and talk. It was June 29, 2004, and he was very troubled. He told me he had been called a "fucking Jew," and that he and the Jewish people had total complicity in the execution of Jesus Christ by numerous people up and down the chain of command at numerous places around the Academy.

I took that back to the administration and told them to fix this or I would go to war. I gave them a few months, and then I went to war against them. I’ve been at war against them ever since, in late November 2004.
So his son was called a nasty name and Mikey took it upon himself to go to war against Christianity.

From Allen West:

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Obama’s conviction believes Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an oxymoronic title, must be allowed to castigate as seditious and treasonous the Christians in the military who profess their faith and to condemn them of categorically enacting “spiritual rape.”


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