Are we selecting the right people and training them correctly
Are we selecting the right people with the right mentality for our core mission of UW?
Does the SFQC prepare the future SF Team member to understand and conduct full spectrum UW? If you look at Rhodesia their SAS and Selous Scouts looked for different traits because of different core missions. |
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If one gets selected and goes on to the Q, you will be taught the fundamentals of all the core traits of SF, plus your assigned MOS specialty. When you complete the Q and receive the long tab, you will be assigned to a team and your training will continue. |
I get it the differences
I am fully aware of the differences. Where do SF Operators (see our history as this term goes back to 1952) learn more than just the basics of UW?
Where in our NCOES and OES is the higher learning on the core mission? Subjects like This is how a VEO takes over a village then spreads it to another village and then the state and then the country. This is how agitation propaganda works Remember It Is Far More Intellectual Than a Bayonet Charge...or Raid |
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Ok - I'm going to take the bait.......
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I really need to understand who you are referring to as "we" and "our"so I can properly formulate the correct ratio of "Real Answer to Snarky Cynicism" for my future posts in this thread. The entire "Assessment and Selection" process has had more tweaks than an 80 year old mans lower back but the overall process has remained pretty constant for right at 67 years. What do "we" think about that? |
Sorry to resurrect this from 2019- but while I was at SWCS a couple years ago this was a hot topic. The two views I heard:
1- Selection doesn't necessarily select for the right traits- it is probably too heavily reliant on the physical and not enough on the mental. The Q isn't where we train guys to be SF- it is just the basics, then they get to a team and really learn how to be SF. If we try to pick the right people perfectly- we'll never get it right and probably just screw it up--- and if we try to train SF guys thoroughly in the Q they'll be at SWCS forever and/or we'll be constantly changing things. 2- we can't make any changes to Selection because it will be looked at as if we're making things easier for females and then there will be night letters and GOs getting retired... so can't have that. Same for the Q--- but we can change it and will.... because change looks like progress. And it had gotten out of hand in terms of length. Problem is... every change... creates delays in the pipeline and bottlenecks. But- THIS time we'll get it right... Here's a question I never understood- one of the guys who did the most work out at MacKall to figure out Selection, gather data, and try to get at the intangibles- was allowed to stay to make LTC out there, then retired and works for the Indianapolis Colts now as their head of player development. No one has reached out to him... and one of his biggest takeaways was you can't just look at objective data... you have to do some other stuff and do some interviews... to get at the intangible and subjective. You have to figure out values. I'd argue we went the opposite way lately... |
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See, UW is treated as a “ho-hum, maybe it’ll work, maybe it won’t” instead of “If you get kicked out of the G-Base, the Taliban will defeat the Northern Alliance”…. Yeah, that almost happened more than once….. But hey, Failure apparently IS an option today…. I’m glad I am retiring….. |
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Ever since then, I've used this analogy: For years, the US Army has appealed to the selfish side of recruits. Join the Army - we'll give you money for college. Join the Army - we'll teach you a skill that you can use when you get out. Join the Army and travel the world. Join the Army, we'll embrace your dysphoria. The USMC doesn't have to pitch any of that shit. Hey there Mr Gunnery Sergeant - the Army recruiter said he'll give me college money... -Well, the Marines give you college money too. So do the Air Force and the Navy. Well then Mr Gunnery Sergeant, why should I join the Marines if everyone gives out the same college money? -Well, because you'll get to be a mother fucking Marine. Look at those old commercials - Army commercials had people in the back of a commo van, learning how to talk on the radio. Or a guy waving his canteen cup at the 1SG as if that shot would really go down that way. Or one lone dude literally running the opposite way as everything going on behind him as we marched forward with an 'Army of One'. The USMC had a commercial where a guy climbed up a mountain, picked up a fucking broad sword imbued with a lightning bolt, and killed a fucking dragon. The Army drinks coffee - the fucking Marines Kill Dragons with electrified fuck swords. The Army isn't the least bit interested in espousing a value system. Even now - our online recruiting campaigns address our acceptance of intersectionality and our commitment to helping the new generation recognize their true identity. We offer intersectional single parents a welcome home while the Marines fight a running gun battle. "We" talk a good story, but our senior Army leaders are stuck using words like campus and enterprise instead of barracks and unit. the light is fading folks - the sun is going down and the close of the day is getting closer. (at this point, some of you should be hearing Rodney Dangerfields booming voice in your head, emotionally reciting the words from an old Dylan Thomas poem) Quote:
Values are so 2000 and late. These |
Dang - two "Box is right" threads in a row!!!
That's been my bitch about raw Army versus the Corps for 30 years. The Army is all about "Come on down, we want you, we'll give you free shit, and you'll love it." The Marines are: "Hey, slow down Cowboy....we're not sure you have what it takes to be a Marine." Guess to which branch a testosterone-filled 18 year old stud says: "Oh yeah?? Fuck you...here I come!!" |
and for note - there is a current USMC commercial that follows a woman - but it doesn't "celebrate" her womanhood - it simply reinforces that the service needs people that know what right looks like and that every Marine is an Infantryman
our mainstream commercials are depicting individuals as though they are video game avatars... I guess we need to recruit more nerds that can wage just enough cyberwar to make sure our pipelines aren't compromised and that our soldiers aren't getting too opinionated on social media ...except for that problem where we cant seem to defeat the obligatory Chinese hackers Critical thinking, vision, equity, excelsior !! |
Here's one from the other side . . .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-Yslv4PME |
Please tell me that’s a prank video.
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Then go back and look at some of the random GoArmy videos on their channel. Eventually you will notice that all of "The Calling" series has had the comments turned off. Many off their videos allow comments - but the ones addressing anything remotely controversial are usually turned off. The Army doesn't really want to hear what you've got to say. It's not a prank. ...diversity, ekwality, and inclusivity are what we will use to fight the next war. |
latest Army Tweet :D
https://twitter.com/USArmy/status/1485025247199997956 I was always told it was a no fail mission. |
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