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rubberneck
12-13-2005, 18:51
I didn't know where to ask this so I put it in the general discussions area. I apologize if it should be elsewhere. I have heard the use of the phrase 4th point of contact usually proceeded by pull yer head out of your.... Any ways I heard someone say pull your head out of your third point of contact today. Which is it?
longrange1947
12-13-2005, 19:00
Your thighs. :)
Your 5 points of contact for a parachute landing fall is
1 Balls of the feet.
2 Calves of the legs
3 Thighs
4 a** :D Buttocks :p
5 Push up muscle, (side of back)
Also secondary is 1 - feet 2 - knees 3 - nose. :boohoo
rubberneck
12-13-2005, 19:03
Thanks longrange I suspected the guy was a poser but didn't want to call him on it unless I was sure he was talking out of his rear.
The Reaper
12-13-2005, 19:09
Thanks longrange I suspected the guy was a poser but didn't want to call him on it unless I was sure he was talking out of his rear.
You mean talking out of his 4th Point of Contact.:D
TR
rubberneck
12-13-2005, 19:10
The guy in question is abusing another poster on the 1911 forum claiming to be a 19 year AD vet. I can't stand bullies especailly the ones that hide behind a bogus service record.
Also secondary is 1 - feet 2 - knees 3 - nose. :boohoo
And in high winds no matter how hard you hold into the wind it becomes 1 followed by 4 into a quick 6 (back of the head):D
Teaching Point - No matter how fast I was being blow backwards I would allways crab a bit right so I would do a sorta' right rear PLF.
Any non jumps want to guess why?
Pete
longrange1947
12-13-2005, 21:07
Pete - agree, got more right PLFs then anything else.
aricbcool
12-13-2005, 21:10
Teaching Point - No matter how fast I was being blow backwards I would allways crab a bit right so I would do a sorta' right rear PLF.
Any non jumps want to guess why?
Pete
So as to not land on your rifle, that is strapped to your left side? (just guessing here...)
--Aric
longrange1947
12-13-2005, 21:24
So as to not land on your rifle, that is strapped to your left side? (just guessing here...)
--Aric
For me atleast you have it on the nose!
Saw the aftermath of a Cpt land and hit so hard in Germany that he jammed his muzzle through a 1950 weapons container. THAT is no small feat! His shoulder was dislocated and he did not continue on with the mission.
Night infil into a DZ that was sloped up hill with a lighted farm house at the bottom. Anyone guess what was used to determine height to drop rucksack as well as to prepare for PLF. OPPS! :boohoo
All of us that landed towards the top were hurting. The intel sgt whispers "look out below" and released his ruck while lying on his back on the ground. :D
The guys nearer the bottom did not have it much better, they had farm equipment all around them.
So as to not land on your rifle, that is strapped to your left side? (just guessing here...)
--Aric
The rifle is 50%. And the other 50% is/was?
aricbcool
12-13-2005, 21:31
The rifle is 50%. And the other 50% is/was?
O2?
--Aric
Your thighs. :)
5 Push up muscle, (side of back)
5 Latissimus Dorsi :)
Ambush Master
12-13-2005, 21:43
Night infil into a DZ that was sloped up hill with a lighted farm house at the bottom. Anyone guess what was used to determine height to drop rucksack as well as to prepare for PLF. OPPS! :boohoo
The Silhouett of the Ridgeline on the horizon!!!!
O2?
--Aric
Lowering line.
The rucksack hits the ground like an anchor. If you are angled off to the left and moving backwards at a fast clip the lowering line can foul your legs and cause you to land off ballance.
If you are angled to the right you just pray that you run out of altitude before you run out of lowering line. If not you get to create a new form of PLF, feet, right side then head.
There is more to jumping than a fun ride. Heavy loads, short DZs, night, trees, winds, bad spot, A/C off track all can put a hurt on the unwary jumper.
They give you toggles for a reason, use them.
Pete
Who could hit a 20' circle with an MC1-1 from 3,000 feet any day. But not jumping the first pass.
aricbcool
12-13-2005, 22:42
Thanks Pete, and LR for sharing some very informative (and entertaining) posts.
--Aric
Warrior-Mentor
12-13-2005, 23:02
The guy in question is abusing another poster on the 1911 forum claiming to be a 19 year AD vet. I can't stand bullies especailly the ones that hide behind a bogus service record.
Nobody does 19 years...unless they get kicked out (or medically retired).
Stupid not to stay one more year for retirement.
JM
Airbornelawyer
12-13-2005, 23:03
There is more to jumping than a fun ride. Heavy loads, short DZs, night, trees, winds, bad spot, A/C off track all can put a hurt on the unwary jumper.
US Naval Academy Dairy Farm, Odenton, Maryland, just off Fort Meade. Trees, winds, cows, a culvert in the middle of the DZ full of concrete chunks from a nearby bridge replacement project, a power transformer station on one end of the DZ and a complex of farm buildings on the other. Below the farm buildings, at the top of the DZ, a run-off pond from the barns where manure collected: a layer of about 6 inches of "water" and about 10-20 feet of liquified cow manure.
Before I arrived in Group, a cherry jumper failed to slip to avoid that obstacle and landed in the middle. A shore party tried to rescue him but almost got sucked in themselves. After that, the DZ party included a team on a Zodiac literally in the middle of the shit.
ObliqueApproach
12-14-2005, 02:17
I haven't seen any reference to talking out of your (high winds, T10, rear PLF) 2nd point of contact-heels, butt, head.:eek:
longrange1947
12-14-2005, 08:12
The Silhouett of the Ridgeline on the horizon!!!!
Actually we did not know the ridgeline was there and thought the DZ was flat. Those of us landing on top was using the house to gauge our height. It is what we get for studing the verticle aerial photo and not giving the map that much study for conture lines. Add to the fact that the maps conture interval was enough to to not raise any warning flags. It was just a bad night in Germany and on Flintlock 76.
For me atleast you have it on the nose!
Saw the aftermath of a Cpt land and hit so hard in Germany that he jammed his muzzle through a 1950 weapons container. THAT is no small feat! His shoulder was dislocated and he did not continue on with the mission.
I did that on a jump in PLDC at Bragg. We had just recieved the M-16A2's also!!! The weapon was OK and I was lucky to walk away unharmed. I fired many 30rd mags of blanks over the next several days and the weapon never needed to go to DS maintenance. I quaified expert with the same weapon later that year. Impressive durability.
Definately not recommended though!!!