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Surgicalcric
12-11-2005, 18:04
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47848
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered his defense forces to plan for a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear weapons facilities by the end of March – the time intelligence sources say Tehran will be able to begin producing nuclear weapons.
The directive came after Iran's President Mahmoud Amadinejad this week suggested Israel should be moved to Europe.
Iran has been ignoring warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency about its plans to continue enriching uranium.
In early March, Mohamed El-Baradei, the head of the IAEA, will present his next report on Iran. El-Baradei, who received the Nobel peace prize yesterday, warned that the world was "losing patience" with Iran.
Defense sources in Israel believe the end of March to be the "point of no return," after which Iran will have the technical expertise to enrich uranium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear warhead in two to four years.
"Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran," Sharon warned recently. "We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."
The order to prepare for a possible attack went through the Israeli defense ministry to the chief of staff, according to a report today in the London Sunday Times.
Israeli intelligence has reportedly identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the IAEA, according to the Times.
If a military operation is approved, Israel will reportedly use a combination of air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran’s nuclear program for years..
The Times reports Israel would likely call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refueling.
Russia last week signed an estimated $1 billion contract to sell Iran advanced Tor-M1 systems capable of destroying guided missiles and laser-guided bombs from aircraft.
"Once the Iranians get the Tor-M1, it will make our life much more difficult," an Israeli air force source told the Times. "The installation of this system can be relatively quick and we can’t waste time on this one."
Maybe Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should not have made that bold statement a few days ago about Israel being moved to Europe...
Personally I say let Israel do what they want...
Crip
Kyobanim
12-11-2005, 18:30
While they're in the neighborhood they might as well make it worth their while and make it a twofer and hit the government buildings.
Let it rip potato chip.
Doc
The Reaper
12-11-2005, 19:03
How can we be of assistance?
TR
Kyobanim
12-11-2005, 19:58
How can we be of assistance?
TR
I think we should be sponsors. Then we could do logos on the planes like NASCAR.
We have 130,000 guys close by for any SAR work.
longrange1947
12-11-2005, 23:05
I do definately believe in self defense, and since the Pres of Iran has made numerous threats....... :munchin
Good morning all
From the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475720368&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"In response to the Sunday Times article, Maj.-Gen. (Res.) Amos Gilad, head of the Defense Ministry's foreign policy department, said in an interview to Israel Radio that while a military operation against Iran's nuclear facilities could not be ruled out, Israel was a partner in international diplomatic efforts to address the threat from Teheran.
Gilad denied the Times allegations that Israel planned to attack Iran in March 2006. "
Noone here is pre-occupied with Iran, Paeestinians or any other issue, we're just living each day and certainly not living in fear.
That said, Iran arming with Nukes is an existual threat to The State of Israel. It is not however only a threat to our tiny state, but also to all the countries in the ME as well as much of Eurpoe with their new improved Shihab missile.
All the coalition troops in the ME are also at threat from this madman as well as far as the UK.
It wil be interesting at the least to see how this pans out.
Stay safe
Hoepoe
Roguish Lawyer
12-12-2005, 09:06
I think we should be sponsors. Then we could do logos on the planes like NASCAR.
LMAO
Assuming they use planes . . .
Kyobanim
12-12-2005, 09:39
LMAO
Assuming they use planes . . .
Doesn't matter, we can do patches on the uniforms or even paint the tanks
CombatWombat
12-12-2005, 11:36
Didn't Israel already do this once?
CPTAUSRET
12-12-2005, 11:49
Didn't Israel already do this once?
Osiraq, do a search.
Terry
Osiraq, do a search.
Terry
Raid On The Sun......... Good book too!
The Reaper
12-12-2005, 12:40
Didn't Israel already do this once?
One country off, Iraq, not Iran.
Also, it was much easier because they hit the reactor during construction, not a series of multiple targets with redundancy scattered across the country, some deeply buried underground.
Osirak was a good mission, and undoubtedly made decision making easier during Desert Storm.
TR
magician
12-12-2005, 12:49
Good hunting.
Hit some Hezbollah and Hamas targets while you are in the neighborhood.
Maybe the one time that I wish I could be an Israeli pilot.
The Reaper
12-12-2005, 12:53
Pretty bold when you tell the bear in the cave that you are coming in to kick his ass.
Unless there is another reason for it....
TR
Trip_Wire (RIP)
12-12-2005, 13:17
Pretty bold when you tell the bear in the cave that you are coming in to kick his ass.
Unless there is another reason for it....
TR
Yeah TR I agree on both counts! I think there are many reasons for such announcements and leaks.
:munchin
Sacamuelas
12-14-2005, 13:06
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=aXwQP_LgD5yw&refer=germany
:munchin
Bravo1-3
12-14-2005, 14:38
Nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.
I hate to be a wet blanket but I believe Israel has better OPSEC than this!!
The pre-emptive strike has always been in their arsenal but surprise is of the essence.
3SoldierDad
06-07-2008, 05:49
Buckle your seat belts...
Three Soldier Dad....Chuck
Short article written by former CIA case officer Robert Baer. Might explain why Iran has not been hit yet. Israel might be facing some reluctancy from the US. Either way it goes down, I dont think diplomacy will work in the long run. Israel will act in its best intrests in the end. Hopefully, we are on board with them when it happens.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1813706,00.html
"This new policy of tact, diplomacy, and courtesy has made liars of us all."
3SoldierDad
06-22-2008, 11:07
Short article written by former CIA case officer Robert Baer. Might explain why Iran has not been hit yet. Israel might be facing some reluctancy from the US. Either way it goes down, I dont think diplomacy will work in the long run. Israel will act in its best intrests in the end. Hopefully, we are on board with them when it happens.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1813706,00.html
Excellent article - Great insight. Robert Baer has the experience and the understanding to speak with authority. I recommend his book - "See No Evil."
Here are two possible scenarios to the worse international disaster in modern times. I would welcome critiques on these two scenarios.
Scenario One
Neither the West nor Israel can launch a strike against Iran without creating an overwhelmingly severe global economic event (see Baer's article) - The U.S. can't because it can't risk its economic life. Israel can't because it needs the U.S. to pull it off. The U.S. not only won't help Israel, but will oppose Israel because a global depression results no matter who attacks - the biggest loser in a possible depression is America. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Iran gets the bomb. Perhaps, in 2009 or 2010.
Iran proliferates to its proxies...2010, 2011, or 2012
Nuke used on West - In large European or American City...Or, tactical Nuke used on Tel Aviv, Israel...2011 to 2015
Things go crazy and get quite nasty. World War and Global Depression.
Scenario Two
Israel anticipates scenario one, that Iran will get a bomb and somehow will get it to Hamas or Hizbullah - the West and America, which has compelling economic interests, will refuse to launch a strike against Iran to prevent them from obtaining the bomb. Israel knows it can't do an adequate job because it needs the U.S. to get it done in a way that ensures that Iran will not get the bomb. Israel knows that the U.S. not only won't help Israel, but will oppose Israel because a depression will result no matter who attacks.
Israel cannot accept scenario one; since it is too real.
Israel understands it must attack Iran, even though the hit may be inadquate. The high probability of being hit with nukes, if it does nothing, is absolutely unacceptable.
Israel concludes its own survival exceeds the needs of the world to avoid a global depression. Historically, Israel knows that every nation on earth has taken turns selling them out - Israel refuses to put itself on the alter to protect everyone else's comfort when their very existence is in play.
Israel makes a difficult and existential decision - To hit Iran
Israel hits Iran
Global chaos and depression ensues
Israel becomes the enemy of the world - And, now of America, too.
Then, the real game is on for Israel's survival.
Iran probably knows all this and thinks - "I win if I get nukes, I win if I don't; either way the rotten corpse of Zionism will perish." Iran thinks, "And, it won't even be by my hand. America loves its Chinese imports and SUVs so much - they'll be ready to do my dirty work. I win if I win, I win if I lose. Little Satan hurts big Satan then Big Satan uses the world to smash Little Satan to pieces. The Big Satan is a fat whore and will destroy anyone or anything that gets in the way of her black blood that keeps her alive - We control her black blood. All praise be to Allah! And, peace be upon his prophet Mohammed. "
My imagination is limited - Are there other scenarios?
Are the two scenarios above relevant?
I also look forward to some comments on Baer's article and the "United States Being Over a Barrel."....I think he is spot on.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
Gentlemen,
This doesn't seem to be typical Israeli style at all. Why would they announce they are planning an attack? I don't think in the history of Israel an announcement/public training event like this has ever been made - not in 56, 67, or '82 - and definitely not before Osirak. While its true that recently, Israel seems to have begun using more threats - they have threatened and then gone into Gaza and Lebanon in the past few years - the scale and importance of this attack strikes me as one that shouldn't have been made public. The only reason I can imagine the Israelis would have to engage in such actions would be if they believe Iran will heed such threats, which the Israelis don't believe. I agree with the Reaper's comments - this appears to be a rather odd strategy, and I don't see the benefit to it.
Also, perhaps some people smarter than me could explain the complexities of the strike that Israel is proposing, beyond the US and Israeli news articles. I noticed one story mentioned the Israelis would use a combination of air and ground forces. My impression is that Iran built its facilities to withstand an attack like this, at least from the air as a result of the Osirak attack i.e. several underground in mountains, spread across the county, some more secret than others. Also, would it be inaccurate to presume that Iran would send Shihab 3 missiles at Israel (perhaps other western allies) in response/during the attack? It made news when they tested it a few times, but the articles I've read don't seem to make the the connection between the fact that Iran recently obtained the capability to hit Israel with missiles from Iran, and Israel's aggressiveness towards Iran. (http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/militarysumfolder/shahab-3.html)
Cheers,
Stu
The only explanation I can think of for Israel's current actions is because it does not want to go to war with Iran. They may have performed the demonstration as a deterrent, hoping the show of force will cause Iran to think twice about continued enrichment.
The US needs to find a new source of Oil or energy. That way Iran will have little to nothing to hang our our heads as a consequence for attack. Finding that solution, however, is easier said than done.
3 soldier dad - I've read "See No Evil." Excellent book. And your scenario's (including commentary) seem spot on.
A feint? I suspect whatever happens won't be so obvious; I wouldn't be. That's all I'll say on this forum. :munchin
Richard's $.02