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Team Sergeant
12-04-2005, 08:53
This makes sense, wait eight years for many of us who remember this WITCH as a recent first "lady" that unequivocally hated the US Military during slick willies term. Wait until most of us that knew her and her candy-assed husband, are retired and no longer serving on active duty, and then run for president hoping that we will forget.
I had the misforture of serving all eight years while she was "president", and I would not then or now, piss on her if she was on fire.
Those who do not learn from history are damned to repeat it.
Hillary's Military Offensive
Clinton's hawkish stance is a two-edged political sword.
Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10313850/site/newsweek/
Dec. 12, 2005 issue - This summer, the reserve Officers Association presented Sen. Hillary Clinton with its President's Award for her work on behalf of soldiers. On the morning of the ceremony, the event's organizers were a little nervous. While they were in the White House, the Clintons were never regarded warmly within the ranks or among the brass, and the First Lady was seen as especially hostile to the military. (There are still soldiers who swear by the myth that she banned uniforms at the White House.) It was rumored that some officers were planning to walk out of the award ceremony.
For all you civilians reading this, the US Military is not run like chuckie cheese, you are given your orders and you carry them out. "Walking out of the award ceremony" is/was not an option for the soldiers. Walking out of a formation would be the same as "disobaying a direct or lawful order" and would come with an Article-15 or worse. If your military boss tell you to stand there you will stand there. Another media BS lie.
Dec. 12, 2005 issue - This summer, the reserve Officers Association presented Sen. Hillary Clinton with its President's Award for her work on behalf of soldiers.
I'm not sure I agree with TS's assessment that this would in some way be against the UCMJ. This was an award given by the ROA. I believe it is in the name of the President of the ROA. I don't know that I would walk out -- I just wouldn't attend -- period!!
IMO this is what is wrong with most od the SVO's. They kiss too much butt and fail to really support the soldiers.
NousDefionsDoc
12-04-2005, 09:28
Not a myth. There wasn't a ban, but I do believe it was strongly, albeit quietly, discouraged.
and Clinton's staffers have made sure paychecks arrive on time and care packages reach their destination. She lobbied hard to keep several bases from being closed, and is still pushing to get reservists better health care.
Bullshit.
What pol doesn't lobby to keep bases in their district open?
Bullshit
Notice who is giving her these awards and accolades. I love my Os, but...
What really pisses me off is that there are people naive or stupid enough to buy this crap.
We have McCain to thank for this.
Roguish Lawyer
12-04-2005, 14:15
We should send Terry to every Hillary event!
The Reaper
12-04-2005, 14:52
Can the leopard ever really change its spots?
She will say whatever it takes to get into the White House, then she will proceed to execute her plan, IAW public opinion polls, after the media prepares them properly with a well-designed liberal PSYOP plan.
I'm just laying in more arms and ammo. Unless something changes drastically, she is as good as elected in 2008. And the Republicans are largely to blame for it.
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR
Roguish Lawyer
12-04-2005, 14:56
Unless something changes drastically, she is as good as elected in 2008. And the Republicans are largely to blame for it.
I agree.
CPTAUSRET
12-04-2005, 15:15
We should send Terry to every Hillary event!
For anyone in doubt re RL's remark.
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2655&highlight=Vietnam+Veteran+Clinton+White+House
Terry
We should send Terry to every Hillary event!
:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't see anyone even on the horizon who can beat her. Some say Condi Rice but I don'r see her as too much of a politician, a hell of a statesman and administrator but not a politician.
I just thought of what I said. A statesman ans administrator is just what we need in the oval office but it takes politics to get there. Too bad!!
OOOPS!! Wrong Terry again.:o
Team Sergeant
12-04-2005, 15:58
I'm not sure I agree with TS's assessment that this would in some way be against the UCMJ. This was an award given by the ROA. I believe it is in the name of the President of the ROA. I don't know that I would walk out -- I just wouldn't attend -- period!!
IMO this is what is wrong with most od the SVO's. They kiss too much butt and fail to really support the soldiers.
Look at Newsweeks picture and read the article. That statement was written as if they were talkning about military officers, in military uniforms, attending a military function and they had a choice in the matter.
I'm not talking about "former" or "part time" officers of the ROA, I'm talking about how that article was written. For all we know they were all in civilian clothes while attending the ceremoney, who cares if civilians in civilian clothes walk out.
Dec. 12, 2005 issue - This summer, the reserve Officers Association presented Sen. Hillary Clinton with its President's Award for her work on behalf of soldiers. On the morning of the ceremony, the event's organizers were a little nervous. While they were in the White House, the Clintons were never regarded warmly within the ranks or among the brass, and the First Lady was seen as especially hostile to the military. (There are still soldiers who swear by the myth that she banned uniforms at the White House.) It was rumored that some officers were planning to walk out of the award ceremony.
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For all you civilians reading this, the US Military is not run like chuckie cheese, you are given your orders and you carry them out. "Walking out of the award ceremony" is/was not an option for the soldiers. Walking out of a formation would be the same as "disobaying a direct or lawful order" and would come with an Article-15 or worse. If your military boss tell you to stand there you will stand there. Another media BS lie.
Concur. Failure to obey a lawful order covers a lot of ground.
I remember guys from 7th GP that were residents of N.Y. thought that Hillary stood a snowball's chance in hell becoming a U.S. Senator back a few years ago.
Just my thoughts. Your's may differ.
Doc
I hope she doesn't get elected. Noone needs a closer relationship with China.
I think HRC has way too much baggage to ever get elected to POTUS. The extreme liberal base of the Democrat base is pissed at her, whille she strirs up pure hatred on many in the red states.
I personally I kinda look forward to her running as I believe she will fall on her great big fat butt. Too many people are just sick of the Clintons in general.
But the republicans need to have someone to run against her besides McCain. I would be willing to bet the next Republican primaries will be interesting.
Not a myth. There wasn't a ban, but I do believe it was strongly, albeit quietly, discouraged.
Definately not a myth. My best friend's husband, an Army MSG, worked in the first Bush White House and the Clinton White House. He was only allowed to wear his uniform on Fridays after the Clintons moved in.
NousDefionsDoc
12-04-2005, 19:43
I think HRC has way too much baggage to ever get elected to POTUS. The extreme liberal base of the Democrat base is pissed at her, whille she strirs up pure hatred on many in the red states.
I personally I kinda look forward to her running as I believe she will fall on her great big fat butt. Too many people are just sick of the Clintons in general.
But the republicans need to have someone to run against her besides McCain. I would be willing to bet the next Republican primaries will be interesting.
People voted for Carter, Dukakis, and Kerry. Shrillary's husband was elected TWICE. Arafat had a Nobel Peace Prize. Not to mention the fact that Shrillary herself holds what office currently? That's right, SPAM sucking trailer trash from Arkansas is the Senator from NY - after what elected-office experience? Do most people start out as Senators from NY? She is seen as Guenevere in the New Camelot unfairly deposed by the Usurper George the II by many on the left.
Hell, there are people that actually voted for Algore, so don't say it couldn't happen.
NDD,
You are right about that! Not saying she can't win. I thinlk most people can see through the Clintons. She is like a record that has played over & over.
Don't get me wrong HRC is still a dangerous politcal adversery.
Just my .02
The Reaper
12-05-2005, 09:15
NDD,
You are right about that! Not saying she can't win. I thinlk most people can see through the Clintons. She is like a record that has played over & over.
Don't get me wrong HRC is still a dangerous politcal adversery.
Just my .02
I disagree.
The majority of the American voters believe what the media shapes them to believe. She can have a ton of sins, but if they don't get reported, and her opponent's do, she will benefit. Look at the last election. Kerry's military record is one to be ashamed of, not to glorify, but the media made out like he was Audie Murphy reincarnated.
On the other side, who do the Republicans have to oppose her? Rudy and McCain are RINOs and will not motivate the base. They will have had seven years to position the candidate so by the next election, and have promoted no one but the incumbent himself. VP Cheney should have stepped down and been replaced by the next Republican Presidential candidate.
Hillary is a ruthless, calculating, liberal shrew without scruples or moral compass. She will do whatever it takes to get elected. The media loves her. Look at the television shows with the courtageous female POTUS and the evil Republican opposition. She can get elected (look at her election as Senator), and probably will.
Just my .02.
TR
I think that would put the free world in a really bad spot.
Martin
rubberneck
12-05-2005, 10:35
She can get elected (look at her election as Senator), and probably will.
Not to quibble but all her election as a NY Senator tells me is that she couldn't win in her "home state" so she headed off to the bluest of the blue states and managed to get past an inept congressman in Rick Lazio.
In fact if Rudy G hadn't been diagnosed with prostate cancer early in the race this discussion would be moot. He was handing her lunch to her in all the public opinion polls prior to his diagnosis and withdrawl. Even though he ran what could be clearly described as an inept campaign Lazio made it a lot closer than many thought it would be.
Maybe you guys are right but I just don't see Hillary winning the WH in '08. I guess if the Republican's elect a total boob that is a possiblity but the mere fact that she would be the Democratic nominee would be more than enough to energize the conservative base behind a Rhino especially if the court looks solidly conservative by the end of Bush's term. The right had 8 years of Clinton crap it'll be a cold day in hell before we lay down for another 8. I don't see many red states a Hillary campaign could peel off but there are a bunch of blue states that a conservative candidate like George Bush barely lost which a moderate might win quite easily.
The Reaper
12-05-2005, 10:39
Review the numbers from the last election.
She would only have to keep what she had, and swing one more, like FL or OH.
TR
Kyobanim
12-05-2005, 10:44
I don't usually post in this area but . . .
Don't get too wrapped up in the "red state blue state" thing. Most of the states are purple and they are that way because of the centrist voters and independents.
The center, and the more importantly for the next election, the independents are going to make the call. These 2 groups could really care less what party a person is a member of. That's the group that HC is going to target because she will already have the dem base.
Just my 2 cents and not worth the time it took to type it, probably.
rubberneck
12-05-2005, 10:48
Review the numbers from the last election.
She would only have to keep what she had, and swing one more, like FL or OH.
TR
That's fine but she has to keep states like Iowa, Minnesota, New Mexico and Wisconsin that Kerry barely kept blue. A more moderate Republican would have taken those states.
NousDefionsDoc
12-05-2005, 14:26
Not to quibble but all her election as a NY Senator tells me is that she couldn't win in her "home state" so she headed off to the bluest of the blue states and managed to get past an inept congressman in Rick Lazio.
Sorry, but there is a HUGE difference between NY and Arkansas if you are a national player, which is the only thing she cares about. She couldn't care less about the people of either state. And with NY, she gets to ignore millions more.
It wasn't that she couldn't have been elected in Arkansas, it was Arkansas couldn't do anything for her.
rubberneck
12-05-2005, 15:51
Sorry, but there is a HUGE difference between NY and Arkansas if you are a national player, which is the only thing she cares about. She couldn't care less about the people of either state. And with NY, she gets to ignore millions more.
It wasn't that she couldn't have been elected in Arkansas, it was Arkansas couldn't do anything for her.
If that were the case then why would she have run for Senator instead of Governor? No sitting Senator has won the WH since Kennedy and 4 out of the last 5 presidents were sitting Governors before entering the White House.
Being a US Senator requires that you actually vote on issues that can be used against you in a campaign. She now has a voting track record that will bite her in the arse. As a Governor you deal with so many local issues that the big ticket national issues rarely come up for Governors. She could have run against Pataki or Huckabee and been in a much stronger position than she is now IMHO.
Those of y'all who keep saying she can't win, I ask:"WTF is going to defeat her?"
NousDefionsDoc
12-05-2005, 16:05
No sitting Senator has won the WH since Kennedy
You answered your own question.
rubberneck
12-05-2005, 16:44
You answered your own question.
That was a much different era than the one we now find ourselves in. Her record is going to get a very close proctological exam that Kennedy was spared.
I am not saying she can't win. I just think that she has more to overcome than many think. Because of her history 35% of the electorate hates her and will never vote for, 35% loves her and will vote for her no matter what and the rest have to be convinced that she isn't that bad. I can't think of another candidate that has 35% of the electorate hating them even before they announce their candidacy. Rudy and McCain unfavorable's are much lower right out of the gate.
To even get a shot she has to convince the moderates and the independants that they can trust her but the only way to do that is to turn her back on the people who she needs for the nomination. If she runs to the right she is going to have a hard time getting the nomination and if she runs to the left the 40% unsold on her are going to think twice. What people forget is that she lacks the charisma and charm her husband has. In informal settings she comes accross as an ice cold bitch. That is why her staff tightly controls her image and the circumstances she appears in public. They won't be able to do that in a very long campaign. She is bound to screw up royally and she won't have the folksy charm to fall back on. Both Rudy and McCain have that American hero image to offset their shortcomings.
Having said all of that I could be wrong as I have been many times in the past.:p
Those of y'all who keep saying she can't win, I ask:"WTF is going to defeat her?"
It will be someone who pops out of Super Tuesday have no worries about a candidate.
She is the best thing that RNC can face. Her name on a national ballot will generate so much cash to destroy her that a baboon could get elected over her.
longrange1947
12-05-2005, 17:49
I'm afraid I am going to have to agree with the "the bitch doesn't have a chance crowd" There are so many sound bites that she has created over the years, from Tammy Wynette "Stand by your man" to the "Great Right Wing conspriacy" that she just looks like the kook she really is and shows herself to be. No other cnadidate has the legacy of hate that she has. Not even The President has received that much hate from the left.
It is true that the left wing and the right wing does not get Presidents elected. No matter how much the right wing Christian Coalition claims they got President Bush elected, it was the moderates and swing voters that saw a strong President. They wanted another four years of his brand of Presidetncy and NOT a Kerry. These same voters will send Hillary a no vote, and probably in the Primaries.
Remember, the liberal left will vote Dem even if it is a Blue Dog, and the conservative Right will vote Republican even if it is a Red Dog. :munchin
NousDefionsDoc
12-05-2005, 17:59
What will happen when she names McCain as her running mate or SECSTATE choice?
The only thing for sure is everybody better vote...
longrange1947
12-05-2005, 18:05
What will happen when she names McCain as her running mate or SECSTATE choice?
The only thing for sure is everybody better vote...
I don't believe he would do it. For one, McCain is to egotistical to be second fiddle.
Edited for misreading NDDs post.
Smokin Joe
12-05-2005, 18:38
NDD,
IF she wins can I move in? I'll let you shoot my kimber's :D
longrange1947
12-05-2005, 18:57
If she wins, I think NDD's house will be full. :D
Unfortunately, I think Hillary has a good chance to be elected POTUS. Bill is getting alot of media attention after his tour with Pres Bush to raise money for Hurricane victims. Alot of liberals think we need to leave Iraq, and after Bush's two vidtories, are itching for a Democrat in office. Unless a strong third-party liberal candidate comes along who can steal some votes, I think the military will be screwed by Shrillary. Hillary also has the fact that she's a female going for her. Her media coverage would be huge if she were to run. "First female President." The idea of a female president doesn't scare me. heck, most women are great at managing turmoil, I just have to look at my mom to see that. But Hillary would be a disaster. just my .02
Y'all are starting out like Bush Sr. He and company presumed that there was no way the Hick from Arkansas could beat him. Bush failed to mount a campaign until it was too late. He was beaten by three little words: "No more taxes".
Keep presuming HRC can't win and you are dead. We need to come out of the blocks chopping. Underestimating one's enemy is a sure route to defeat.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/372195p-316484c.html
This could get interesting.
BMT
rubberneck
12-06-2005, 14:41
Y'all are starting out like Bush Sr. He and company presumed that there was no way the Hick from Arkansas could beat him. Bush failed to mount a campaign until it was too late. He was beaten by three little words: "No more taxes".
Keep presuming HRC can't win and you are dead. We need to come out of the blocks chopping. Underestimating one's enemy is a sure route to defeat.
The difference between now and then was that Bill Clinton was a blank slate nationally and his campaign was able to define him early on. This time around Hillary and all her baggage have been in the national spotlight for 13 years. Everyone knows exactly who she is and what she stands for. While she is indeed a threat any capable politician should be able to beat her over her head with her positions.