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SeekHer
11-20-2005, 07:24
Does Anyone Know Anything About RBCD Bullets?

Super high performance, velocity and devastating wound cavity CLAIMED.

The guys at Survival Sheath and at The Sheath Mechanic rave about the round’s abilities. These guys make great nylon tactical gear for any application and the best synthetic (Kydex) sheaths, especially for the new style of combat/survival tomahawks.

Thanks
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U R L:
RBCD Bullets = http://www.rbcd.net/
Survival Sheath = http://www.survivalsheath.com/flash.htm
Sheath Mechanic = http://sheathmechanic.com/

rubberneck
11-20-2005, 07:41
Use the search button. You will find a wealth of information about the round and it's performance. From what I have read here the claims made about the round are in line with it's real world performance.

hoepoe
11-20-2005, 07:47
Hello

I do not know these, nor did i find elaborate info on the pages you linked.

However, i have used THV (High velocity round) as in :
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm

Which we used to load ourselves.

These are indeed quick, but lose velocity quickly. They also did not feed on unported and unpolished ramps hence i did not use as a carry round do to reliability issues.

It does make a cool blue/white flame from the barrel though!! Like a 20cm barrel flash!

May i ask why you need something like this? What is wrong with a blaktalon or other holow point?

Hoepoe

SeekHer
11-20-2005, 08:40
Hello
I do not know these, nor did i find elaborate info on the pages you linked.
However, i have used THV (High velocity round) as in :
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm
Which we used to load ourselves.
May i ask why you need something like this? What is wrong with a blaktalon or other holow point?
Hoepoe

The link provided was to the company's website, as a courtesy...I knew of Glaser, Delta, PowRBall, Frangible Bullet Co. and CorBon...I had found out about them at another forum, hadn't heard about them, what I read came across interesting and I wanted to know more, other than the maker's hype, if that's OK with you...I had never heard of TRÈS HAUTE VITESSE bullets and thanks for the info...is there a link to their web site, that you could have published?

URL:
Delta = http://www.dfafrangible.com/
Frangible = http://www.frangiblebullets.com/
Glaser/Corbon/PowRBall = http://www.corbon.com/

hoepoe
11-20-2005, 09:28
what I read came across interesting and I wanted to know more, other than the maker's hype, if that's OK with you...

Great way to "make friends and influence people".

Regardless, i don't have a link for the manufacturer of THV's, last time i saw one was about 12 years ago.


Hoepoe

Team Sergeant
11-20-2005, 09:50
The link provided was to the company's website, as a courtesy...I knew of Glaser, Delta, PowRBall, Frangible Bullet Co. and CorBon...I had found out about them at another forum, hadn't heard about them, what I read came across interesting and I wanted to know more, other than the maker's hype, if that's OK with you...I had never heard of TRÈS HAUTE VITESSE bullets and thanks for the info...is there a link to their web site, that you could have published?

URL:
Delta = http://www.dfafrangible.com/
Frangible = http://www.frangiblebullets.com/
Glaser/Corbon/PowRBall = http://www.corbon.com/


Seekher,

Enough of the "URL's".
We all know how to use google and find information ourselves.

Team Sergeant

CarreraGT
11-23-2005, 19:50
I will say I have one question that I have not seen answered about the RBCD/LeMas ammunition-

I have the RBCD ammo, have played with it, shot it into meat and clay, etc. etc. and been thoroughly impressed. However, I would like to know how the civilian RBCD ammunition differs from the military/LE LeMas ammo (aside from the armor-piercing capability)?

Anybody that's shot both/can offer some insight?


Dave

APLP
11-25-2005, 12:27
I will say I have one question that I have not seen answered about the RBCD/LeMas ammunition-

I have the RBCD ammo, have played with it, shot it into meat and clay, etc. etc. and been thoroughly impressed. However, I would like to know how the civilian RBCD ammunition differs from the military/LE LeMas ammo (aside from the armor-piercing capability)?

Anybody that's shot both/can offer some insight?


Dave

Hello Dave,

You have just about hit the high points on the differences. However the Le Mas Ltd. Armor Piercing rounds can also vary with respect to penetration depth and fragmentation properties after impacting armors and living tissue.
There are really no end products in that each specific bullet construction design can be changed to provide varied specific operational requirements.

I have two defferent BMT .45acp CQB military / law enforcement rounds which deliver the same hard and soft armor penetrations at equal velocity, yet one will fragment in live tissue after penetrating armor or urban construction materials, while the other bullet design will not.

CarreraGT
11-28-2005, 17:00
Hello Dave,

You have just about hit the high points on the differences. However the Le Mas Ltd. Armor Piercing rounds can also vary with respect to penetration depth and fragmentation properties after impacting armors and living tissue.
There are really no end products in that each specific bullet construction design can be changed to provide varied specific operational requirements.

I have two defferent BMT .45acp CQB military / law enforcement rounds which deliver the same hard and soft armor penetrations at equal velocity, yet one will fragment in live tissue after penetrating armor or urban construction materials, while the other bullet design will not.

So, with respect to taking care of the guy who just walked into your house in the middle of the night uninvited, or the dirtbag who thinks that since he's down on his luck, he'll help himself to your wallet, the RBCD performs roughly equivalent to the LE/Military rounds? Like I said, I've been rather impressed with what I've seen in my own "redneck engineered" tests.

Thanks for the response!

Dave

SOC Tab
11-28-2005, 19:34
Gentleman,

If you're speaking as to rifle rounds you should take into account the following...

How a round performs is a direct result of outside influences: the individual's marksmanship, the weapons platform, accuracy of optics, weather, etc. etc. the list goes on.

1.) Do you understand the fundamentals of good body position, proper breathing and correct trigger squeeze?

2.) Are you shooting from a sub-MOA rifle?

3.) Are your optics matched to the rifle/do you have a solid package?

4.) Will your barrel impede on or support/increase the rounds potential/is it "match grade", weighted, free-floated?

5.) Is your trigger accurate/2-stage?

6.) Is your stock custom-built to reflect your body's size/shape or at least adjustable at strategic points of body contact?

7.) Do you shoot from a hasty/deliberate sling, bi-pods, a ruck?

8.) Can you adjust for windage/elevation?

9.) Do you have a basic knowledge of metalurgy?

10.) Do you know anything of MOA computations, comeups, up/down compensation, high/low holds, wind holds, moving target compensation, range estimation, CQ or SD shooting?

11.) Do you know the bulletts ballistics: energy in ft lbs, velocity in FPS, drift from 10mph wind, drop from 100 yard zero?

Remember...ACCURACY=CONSISTANCY!

Do you understand/employ all of the above?

Buying exspensive rounds won't make you a better marksman, just unable to afford lunch after you leave the range.

You need the whole package and furthermore, you have to be able to replicate your results every single time you send rounds down range.

My advice would be, learn the fundamentals above before discharging high-performance rounds.

Now...If you're talking about pistol rounds, that's a no-brainer. More of a camera technique and alot easier at 10-20 yds.

You can buy them at $10 per round, and hit your target at the close to intermediate ranges just to make a larger whole or increase internal cavity damage and secondary fragmentation damage.
OR you can just as easily get the "job done" with a round off the shelf for less money. For the novice to intermediate marksman those will suffice.

I would think that if causing maximum damage and trauma to an intruder is your bag...well, then just about any 12 gauge off the shelf will work even with a bird shot loaded.

ST

Team Sergeant
11-28-2005, 19:58
Gentleman,

If you're speaking as to rifle rounds you should take into account the following...

How a round performs is a direct result of outside influences: the individual's marksmanship, the weapons platform, accuracy of optics, weather, etc. etc. the list goes on.

1.) Do you understand the fundamentals of good body position, proper breathing and correct trigger squeeze?

2.) Are you shooting from a sub-MOA rifle?

3.) Are your optics matched to the rifle/do you have a solid package?

4.) Will your barrel impede on or support/increase the rounds potential/is it "match grade", weighted, free-floated?

5.) Is your trigger accurate/2-stage?

6.) Is your stock custom-built to reflect your body's size/shape or at least adjustable at strategic points of body contact?

7.) Do you shoot from a hasty/deliberate sling, bi-pods, a ruck?

8.) Can you adjust for windage/elevation?

9.) Do you have a basic knowledge of metalurgy?

10.) Do you know anything of MOA computations, comeups, up/down compensation, high/low holds, wind holds, moving target compensation, range estimation, CQ or SD shooting?

11.) Do you know the bulletts ballistics: energy in ft lbs, velocity in FPS, drift from 10mph wind, drop from 100 yard zero?

Remember...ACCURACY=CONSISTANCY!

Do you understand/employ all of the above?

Buying exspensive rounds won't make you a better marksman, just unable to afford lunch after you leave the range.

You need the whole package and furthermore, you have to be able to replicate your results every single time you send rounds down range.

My advice would be, learn the fundamentals above before discharging high-performance rounds.

Now...If you're talking about pistol rounds, that's a no-brainer. More of a camera technique and alot easier at 10-20 yds.

You can buy them at $10 per round, and hit your target at the close to intermediate ranges just to make a larger whole or increase internal cavity damage and secondary fragmentation damage.
OR you can just as easily get the "job done" with a round off the shelf for less money. For the novice to intermediate marksman those will suffice.

I would think that if causing maximum damage and trauma to an intruder is your bag...well, then just about any 12 gauge off the shelf will work even with a bird shot loaded.

ST

Now that you have my attention might I ask just what sort of weapons background you have? Are you SF, or just another guy that enjoys sport shooting? I take it you have a combat arms background? Or are you a paper target technician?

Any wackenhut or Wal-Mart Security employee could written the bio you have posted. If it your desire to educate us Special Forces types on weapons techniques tactics and procedures you’re going to need a little more to make an impression on me.

You can answer me here or via PM.

Team Sergeant

SOC Tab
11-28-2005, 20:46
TS:PM

ST

Peregrino
11-28-2005, 22:22
Gentleman,

If you're speaking as to rifle rounds you should take into account the following...


ST

I'm SOOOO confused! What does any of this have to do with the question about terminal ballistics? :confused: Peregrino

APLP
11-28-2005, 23:13
Gentleman,

If you're speaking as to rifle rounds you should take into account the following...

How a round performs is a direct result of outside influences: the individual's marksmanship, the weapons platform, accuracy of optics, weather, etc. etc. the list goes on.

1.) Do you understand the fundamentals of good body position, proper breathing and correct trigger squeeze?

2.) Are you shooting from a sub-MOA rifle?

3.) Are your optics matched to the rifle/do you have a solid package?

4.) Will your barrel impede on or support/increase the rounds potential/is it "match grade", weighted, free-floated?

5.) Is your trigger accurate/2-stage?

6.) Is your stock custom-built to reflect your body's size/shape or at least adjustable at strategic points of body contact?

7.) Do you shoot from a hasty/deliberate sling, bi-pods, a ruck?

8.) Can you adjust for windage/elevation?

9.) Do you have a basic knowledge of metalurgy?

10.) Do you know anything of MOA computations, comeups, up/down compensation, high/low holds, wind holds, moving target compensation, range estimation, CQ or SD shooting?

11.) Do you know the bulletts ballistics: energy in ft lbs, velocity in FPS, drift from 10mph wind, drop from 100 yard zero?

Remember...ACCURACY=CONSISTANCY!

Do you understand/employ all of the above?

Buying exspensive rounds won't make you a better marksman, just unable to afford lunch after you leave the range.

You need the whole package and furthermore, you have to be able to replicate your results every single time you send rounds down range.

My advice would be, learn the fundamentals above before discharging high-performance rounds.

Now...If you're talking about pistol rounds, that's a no-brainer. More of a camera technique and alot easier at 10-20 yds.

You can buy them at $10 per round, and hit your target at the close to intermediate ranges just to make a larger whole or increase internal cavity damage and secondary fragmentation damage.
OR you can just as easily get the "job done" with a round off the shelf for less money. For the novice to intermediate marksman those will suffice.

I would think that if causing maximum damage and trauma to an intruder is your bag...well, then just about any 12 gauge off the shelf will work even with a bird shot loaded.

ST

SOCtab,

I don't know what your qualifications or background are, and not really my buisness to know. What I do know is that the you don't have a clue what you are talking about with respect to the Le Mas Ltd. ammunition.

Team Sergeant
11-29-2005, 08:03
APLP,

soctab is gone. He was an airsoft wannbe type, cool by association. He had nothing to do with SOCOM.

TS