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BMT (RIP)
11-15-2005, 14:43
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453690.046527778.html
BMT
Sounds good to me.
Call me paranoid, but I fear the motivation behind the story isn't 'hey, let's keep you abreast of advances in military technology,' but rather 'look at the evil US, who doesn't even risk its soldiers in fights anymore!' Which is pathetic and fallacy-ridden (no, I don't care about a fair fight when it comes to wrongdoers), but also par for the course.
Peregrino
11-15-2005, 17:04
Sounds good to me.
Call me paranoid, but I fear the motivation behind the story isn't 'hey, let's keep you abreast of advances in military technology,' but rather 'look at the evil US, who doesn't even risk its soldiers in fights anymore!' Which is pathetic and fallacy-ridden (no, I don't care about a fair fight when it comes to wrongdoers), but also par for the course.
"Fair" is for schoolyard fights and football games where the point is "take your licks and give at least as good as you get." The lesson taken away from those encounters should be - you'll survive and be a better man/person for it (read that - have some character to show for it later). Everything else is war and the only reason to play that game is to win. Kill them all! Without glory, without honor, they deserve none of it! This starts my favorite rants about the only thing worse than war is the depraved mental state that thinks nothing is worth fighting for (love to screw up that quote - let's get some help here guys :lifter ) Got to love what the ubiquitous "nanny state" has done to the American (male) character. Another mangled quote - those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve (will have) neither! Quick - somebody save me from myself. Somebody else needs to drag this thread back on subject, I'm starting to foam at the mouth. (I've been writing CQB lesson outlines all day - I need some range time) Have pity on me - puhleeez. Peregrino
For Peregrino:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart Mill
The other, often paraphrased as "Any society which would trade liberty for security loses both and deserves neither," has a long history of contention. It is very often used, makes a great point, but generally appears in a number of phrasings, and is most often attributed to either Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson. The most convincing argument comes from Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, which holds: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety," Benjamin Franklin. (Not as punchy as the revisions, no.)
Peregrino
11-15-2005, 18:25
For Peregrino:
DanUCSB - Thanks, I needed that! :p Now that I've taken a dinner break and cleared my head I can approach topics like "fairness" and "armed UAVs" a little more rationally. Personally, I like the idea of the video game generation putting their skills to use obliterating those who would seize security and liberty from the rest of us at gun/bomb point. This morning a friend sent me the video from September of the jihadi that tried to VIED the Abrahms and failed. F### fair! My .02 - Peregrino
(P.S. - I've got a quotations book around the house somewhere, I even use it sometimes. Misquoting as a tactic tends to annoy the people who place more emphasis on form than function - besides, it's more likely to stimulate debate. But that's our little secret. ;) )
Might not be fair, but they sure are cool. :D
Message: don't be a terrorist asshole or you'll walk out to your car some morning and a UAV that has been on loiter for 40 hrs will zap you.
Team Sergeant
11-15-2005, 21:14
From what I recall SGM Billy Waugh said it was one of these machines that sent osama-bin-sissy into a dirt nap.
The armed UAV's have been around quite a few years now, nothing new about that. (I'm just wondering why that online news paper decides now to print a story? I guess if you run a online tabloid news website anything goes.)
TS
frostfire
11-15-2005, 23:34
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453690.046527778.html
BMT
one of the best tech wonders. I'm expecting to see smarter version in the future with added roles such as interrogation.
...Raytheon, tough competition to get job at
For Peregrino:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart Mill
The other, often paraphrased as "Any society which would trade liberty for security loses both and deserves neither," has a long history of contention. It is very often used, makes a great point, but generally appears in a number of phrasings, and is most often attributed to either Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson. The most convincing argument comes from Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, which holds: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety," Benjamin Franklin. (Not as punchy as the revisions, no.)
Thanks DanUCSB, I vaguely recall one member has the quote for signature and I've been looking for that for a while...till now.
That quote reminds me of a sountrack and visual that go along with it
(copy and paste)apple.com/trailers/touchstone/the_alamo/trailer/large.html