View Full Version : Peanut boy needs to shut up
Roguish Lawyer
06-08-2005, 16:56
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/carter.guantanamo.ap/index.html
Carter: Close down Guantanamo Bay
Wednesday, June 8, 2005 Posted: 11:34 AM EDT (1534 GMT)
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter has called for his country to shut down the Guantanamo Bay prison to demonstrate its commitment to human rights.
"The U.S. continues to suffer terrible embarrassment and a blow to our reputation ... because of reports concerning abuses of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo," Carter said after a two-day human rights conference at his Atlanta center.
Such reports have surfaced despite President George W. Bush's "bold reminder that America is determined to promote freedom and democracy around the world," Carter said.
About 540 detainees are being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al Qaeda terrorist network.
Carter said on Tuesday the United States needs to make sure no detainees are held incommunicado and that all are told the charges against them.
Despite his criticism of Guantanamo Bay, Carter said Amnesty International should not have called the prison "the gulag of our time" in a report last month. President Bush has termed the report by the human-rights group "absurd."
Carter said the alleged abuses at Guantanamo Bay could never compare with the forced labor camps operated by the former Soviet Union.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-08-2005, 19:08
I think this idiot needs to offer sufficient habitat for humanity housing for all these folks right there in downtown Plains, GA.
Jack Moroney
Ambush Master
06-08-2005, 19:12
I think this idiot needs to offer sufficient habitat for humanity housing for all these folks right there in downtown Plains, GA.
Jack Moroney
Sir, I was thinking that EXACT same thing !! Even better, put them up at his place till he can hammer them up a new house !!! :D
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-08-2005, 19:22
Yep. He can build them a mosque, give them heartfelt talks over non-alcoholic Billy Beer about how he really is in tune with the moslem world which is why he really screwed the pooch on the Iranin Hostages, provide lectures on successful international negotiations with foresight and vision using his Panama Canal venture as the case study, and do the world a favor by making his lovely bride wear a burqua. The possibilities are endless. :D
Jack Moroney
Ambush Master
06-08-2005, 19:26
Sir, I think that we are on a Roll !!!
Where is NDD when ya need him ?!?!?! :munchin
Carter said the alleged abuses at Guantanamo Bay could never compare with the forced labor camps operated by the former Soviet Union.i believe this sentence should have been prefaced as follows: "In a rare moment of lucidity,..."
Peregrino
06-08-2005, 19:38
Just helps to remind us of why he was a consummate failure as a President. Carter should stick with things he can positively influence that contribute to the ideals of this country - things like pounding nails for HFH - and leave statesmanship and waging war to those with the stomach for it. Makes me want to actively pursue the rehabilitation of "Tricky Dicky" Nixon. Nobody ever accused him of being blinded by his personal morality, nor of trying to handicap the rest of the nation with it. Personal reality - that's another story - but morality never got in his way. When it comes to running the country, there's a lot to be said for pragmatists. Just my .02 - Peregrino
Nobody ever accused him of being blinded by his personal morality, nor of trying to handicap the rest of the nation with it. Personal reality - that's another story - but morality never got in his way. When it comes to running the country, there's a lot to be said for pragmatists. Just my .02 - Peregrino
And that's a good thing. What a person feels morally responsible for or about isn't always good for the country. Somehow I can't see the bad guys sitting around wondering if their actions are going to be considered morally reprehensible. The notion that what we do isn't as bad as what they are doing so it's okay for us to cross a certain line gets a no-go as well. Of course that goes without saying.
Jimmy Carter was a lousy President. He doesn't seem to get the idea this isn't a Sunday School class.
CoLawman
06-09-2005, 07:32
Every time he opens his mouth I am transported back to those years of his presidency:
Double Digit Inflation and Double Digit Interest on Home Loans!
Iran Hostage situation!
Impure thoughts!
Billy Beer!
Oh those were the days!
He already cinched his place in history as the worst US President. Now he is trying to assure his place in history as the worst former US President.
jasonglh
06-09-2005, 10:14
I still have a 6 pack of Billy Beer anxiously awaiting a certain State funeral.
I certainly agree with others here that President Carter should spend more time working on internal problems like housing in this country which seems to be the only thing he is good at. Had a relative asking for donations to go to Africa to do missionary work. My response was pretty much "Ever been to Mississippi? Greyhounds alot cheaper than TWA.".
Roguish Lawyer
06-09-2005, 10:33
I certainly agree with others here that President Carter should spend more time working on internal problems like housing in this country which seems to be the only thing he is good at.
Perhaps as a volunteer, not as POTUS.
jasonglh
06-09-2005, 10:47
Perhaps as a volunteer, not as POTUS.
Well I was thinking more along the lines of leading Habitat for Humanity or actually wielding a hammer not another run at dicking up the country.
When referring to him is it not still President Carter even though he is not in office?
Roguish Lawyer
06-09-2005, 10:53
When referring to him is it not still President Carter even though he is not in office?
I suppose, but I like "Peanut Boy" or just "that dumbfuck."
Bravo1-3
06-09-2005, 10:55
He needs to figure out that he's not the President anymore. A guy who carried a whopping 49 electoral votes in his re-election bid, against 489 by his challenger... and he's saying what now? (sorry, I wasn't listening)
Peregrino
06-09-2005, 11:45
Had a relative asking for donations to go to Africa to do missionary work. My response was pretty much "Ever been to Mississippi? Greyhound's a lot cheaper than TWA.".
Succinctly put! I wish more "missionaries" would look to fixing our own house first. Obviously the mentioned relative didn't take the hint. Probably not glamorous enough. At least Carter does lend his time/image to HFH. I did some volunteer work with them here in Fayetteville and have to admit I like the program and enjoyed the accomplishment. Not to mention that their rules REQUIRE the homeowner to actively participate and "pay/pay forward" the incurred debt/obligation. From personal experience when I was a very young SF soldier - you can't save the whole world so it's better to spend your resources on those willing to help themselves. Because of that attitude/reality HFH seems to have a better success rate than any other "charity" I've seen. And despite Carter's participation they aren't forced to charge double digit interest rates. Peregrino
Sacamuelas
06-09-2005, 12:53
Had a relative asking for donations to go to Africa to do missionary work. My response was pretty much "Ever been to Mississippi? Greyhounds alot cheaper than TWA.".
Uh huh.....
Location: Kentucky
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Alright Focker... ease up on ol' missip. As if there aren't enough of the same problems in your state that you need to start pointing the finger at others. :rolleyes: LOL
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What's the most popular pick-up line in Kentucky?
"Nice tooth!"
The Runner-up pick up line... "Hey Sis, need a ride home?"
Roguish Lawyer
06-09-2005, 13:08
Uh huh.....
Alright Focker... ease up on ol' missip. As if there aren't enough of the same problems in your state that you need to start pointing the finger at others. :rolleyes: LOL
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What's the most popular pick-up line in Kentucky?
"Nice tooth!"
The Runner-up pick up line... "Hey Sis, need a ride home?"
As long as they keep making fine spirits there, the State of Kentucky will always be OK with me.
(But that was funny, Saca. :D)
jasonglh
06-09-2005, 13:26
Uh huh.....
Alright Focker... ease up on ol' missip. As if there aren't enough of the same problems in your state that you need to start pointing the finger at others. :rolleyes: LOL
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What's the most popular pick-up line in Kentucky?
"Nice tooth!"
The Runner-up pick up line... "Hey Sis, need a ride home?"
Fair enough! I think what made me think of that off the cuff was driving just south of Tunica. It went from a mini Vegas in a corn field to rampant poverty in about 5 miles.
There is plenty of work that could be done here but it wouldnt be cool for him to do good things locally. In the last few years he has made lots of trips to 3rd world countries but hasnt ever asked for a donation from me again. Most of it is funded by the local churchs which makes me wonder if they concentrated on local problems if it would eliminate the need for welfare.
I suppose, but I like "Peanut Boy" or just "that dumbfuck."
LMAO :D
Roguish Lawyer
06-20-2005, 11:24
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9189fb54-e0f1-11d9-a3fb-00000e2511c8.html
Clinton adds voice to criticism of Guantánamo
By Lionel Barber and Paul Taylor in New York
Published: June 19 2005 23:53 | Last updated: June 20 2005 00:17
Bill Clinton has become the most prominent figure so far to add his voice to criticisms of the US prison camp at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba.
In an interview with the Financial Times, the former president called for the camp, set up to hold suspected terrorists, to “be closed down or cleaned up”.
Mr Clinton joined critics at home and abroad who have singled out the indefinite detention of prisoners without trial and widespread reports of human rights violations at Guantánamo. “It is time that there are no more stories coming out of there about people being abused,” he said.
Mr Clinton said the test for judging whether harsh treatment of terrorist suspects was justified was whether it challenged the “fundamental nature” of American society. If the answer is Yes, you have already given the terrorists a profound victory.”
The Bush administration has been rocked by criticism of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, which holds more than 500 prisoners, most of them captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. Mr Bush has said that he might be willing to explore alternatives to the detention centre.
The Clinton Global Initiative will be shorter and more focused than Davos and easily accessible to all the world leaders in New York for the UN's September general session.
The Guantánamo detainees have been classified as “unlawful enemy combatants” rather than prisoners of war and are therefore not subject to the Geneva Convention or to US law. The US military has admitted to using coercive interrogation techniques on prisoners but denied that these amount to torture.
Mr Clinton said uniformed US military personnel had been “very outspoken” about abuses at Guantánamo and elsewhere.
Aside from moral issues, there were two practical objections to the US military abusing prisoners, he said. “If we get a reputation for abusing people it puts our own soldiers much more at risk and second, if you rough up somebody bad enough, they'll eventually tell you whatever you want to hear to get you to stop doing it.” Mr Clinton was careful to avoid criticising the administration on the issue of indefinite detention. In three or four cases, his own administration had resorted to a US law that allows suspected terrorists to be held beyond the normal length of time without trial, if bringing an indictment or trial would compromise intelligence sources.
“It sounds so reasonable but you're the guy that is in prison and you are not guilty, you could be held there three, four, five years and there has to be some limit to that,” he said.
Amnesty International stoked controversy over Guantánamo Bay by calling it “the gulag of our time”, however it was criticised for drawing a comparison between US military prison and Soviet-era labour camps.
Last week, Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat, got into similar hot water for comparing American interrogation techniques to those employed by Hitler and Stalin's regimes. He later issued a clarification.
During the interview Mr Clinton also discussed his role as special United Nations representative on tsunami relief and the Clinton Global Initiative, his plan to bring together politicians and business people to discuss solutions to some of the world's most intractable problems.
Democrats wonder why they continue to lose elections?
As the party slides further left into wacko land, they alienate the "normal, middle-class, blue-color" worker. The South used to be a hardcore Dem stronghold. Now its definitly Republican. Which as a proud member of the vast-right wing conspiracy, makes me smile :D