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Roguish Lawyer
06-07-2005, 09:41
What will be next? :munchin

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/07/kerry.grades.ap/index.html

Kerry, Bush had similar grades
Tuesday, June 7, 2005 Posted: 10:33 AM EDT (1433 GMT)

BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year -- in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest grade -- in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.

Roguish Lawyer
06-07-2005, 10:34
Here is the original Globe story. Note that it says there is nothing else of interest in Kerry's naval records. Wonder if that's true . . .

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student? mode=PF

12B4S
06-08-2005, 03:38
Here is the original Globe story. Note that it says there is nothing else of interest in Kerry's naval records. Wonder if that's true . .

I don't RL!! I believe there is alot more. As big of POS as he is, he still has alot of clout and contacts. Hell, didn't get his Honorable Discharge until clinton gave it to him.

Huey14
06-08-2005, 05:53
Wasn't the election over six months ago?

brownapple
06-08-2005, 06:21
Here is the original Globe story. Note that it says there is nothing else of interest in Kerry's naval records. Wonder if that's true . . .

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student? mode=PF


I want to figure out how roughly 300 pages of records is supposed to contain nothing different from the 20 something pages that Kerry posted.

Wonder if the Boston Globe will let someone who understands military records look at them or if we are expected to take the word of a journalist?

The Reaper
06-08-2005, 06:30
Wasn't the election over six months ago?

No, it is in 41 months, and the campaigning is already starting.

TR

Huey14
06-08-2005, 06:40
Bloody hell. And I thought our lot were bad for starting nine months out.

Roguish Lawyer
06-08-2005, 10:39
I want to figure out how roughly 300 pages of records is supposed to contain nothing different from the 20 something pages that Kerry posted.

Wonder if the Boston Globe will let someone who understands military records look at them or if we are expected to take the word of a journalist?

Excellent question. :munchin

I'd like to see them up on the smoking gun.

gits
06-08-2005, 11:51
It is worth noting that Standard Form 180 has a section where the person filling out the form can specify certain years to be omitted from what is released per the request (Section II, Question 1). It would be very interesting to see what Kerry Put down on there. I think there might be some more stuff that hasn't been fully released. :confused:

Here the Form 180 for those who want to take a look at Section 2, Question 1
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf

Martin
06-08-2005, 11:57
How hard would it be to falsify one of these reports if you had the finished product, but with too many lines? Just removing pages or blacking out lines is too obvious.

If they scanned the thing and digitally removed lines or otherwise edited it, color print with what looks like a real stamp on it would - correct me otherwise - constitutes a crime. Doesn't it violate the stamp's authentification of the document to remove pages, or is that considered private use? Would it be pursued or authenticated by the Navy if they are released in public? Otherwise a charge of forgery against it perhaps would make the original available during prosecution. (?)

What makes me more cautious is when the Globe comes with statements like these
http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases.shtml

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.
...and Kerry only permits one news agency to report on it. After all, that they would release an edited version sounds like opening a whole can of worms.

If he really did not have anything to hide, Form 180 makes it easy to specify multiple recipients for access through FOIA request. Why Boston Globe? He sure trusts them...

You can find a form 180 here (http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf).