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Manstein
05-12-2005, 21:57
U.S. Army offers shorter enlistment to recruits

By Will DunhamThu May 12, 5:07 PM ET

The U.S. Army will allow recruits to sign up for just 15 months of active-duty service, rather than the typical four-year enlistment, as it struggles to lure new soldiers amid the Iraq war, a general said on Thursday.

Maj. Gen. Michael Rochelle, U.S. Army Recruiting Command head, also said this was [/B]"the toughest recruiting climate ever faced by the all-volunteer Army," with the war causing concern among potential recruits and their families and the economy offering civilian job prospects.[/B]

America abolished the draft in 1973 during the tumult of the Vietnam War era and has since relied on a military made up exclusively of volunteers.

Rochelle said the Army this week expanded nationwide a pilot program in place since October 2003 in 10 cities offering recruits the option of a 15-month active-duty enlistment.

In a conference call with reporters, Rochelle expressed concern about a recent spike in recruiting improprieties. The Army said this week it will suspend recruiting on May 20 to counsel its 7,545 recruiters on ethics.

The Army is examining allegations recruiters offered to help people cheat on drug tests or get phony diplomas. In a recent incident in Texas, a recruiter threatened a 20-year-old man with arrest if he did not get to an interview at a recruiting station by a given time.

"Some of the incidents were flying just below my radar," said Rochelle, who acknowledged the stress experienced by recruiters who work nearly 80 hours per week to attract new soldiers.

Army Recruiting Command spokesman Douglas Smith said as of April 29, the Army had fielded 480 allegations of improper conduct by recruiters in fiscal 2005 beginning Oct. 1. So far, there have been 91 substantiated improprieties, with eight recruiters relieved and 98 recruiters admonished, Smith said.

A NEW OPTION

The Army said some young people might want to serve the country but do not want to dedicate the amount of time required by the normal four-year active-duty enlistment.

They will be offered the option of serving 15 months on active duty after completing their training, and then two years in the part-time Army Reserve or National Guard. The soldier then would spend nearly seven years in the Individual Ready Reserve, which requires no training and until recently was rarely mobilized, or serve in a program like the Peace Corps.

Rochelle said he was "cautiously optimistic" the active-duty Army, now 16 percent behind its year-to-date goal, would reach its goal of 80,000 recruits in fiscal 2005, which ends on Sept. 30. It has missed its recruiting targets the past three months, falling short by a whopping 42 percent in April.

He sounded less optimistic about the Army Reserve, currently 21 percent behind its year-to-date goal, saying achieving its annual goal was "not completely foreclosed."

Rochelle predicted a rough 2006 fiscal year. He said while the Army entered fiscal 2005 with about 18 percent of the year's goal met by recruits who had already committed to enlist, the figure will be about 9.9 percent next year, the lowest number in memory.

The Army has taken other steps to try to lure recruits, including increasing by 5 years to 39 the maximum age for enlisting in the Army Reserve and launching a new ad campaign.

The 15-month enlistment pilot program was in place in Albany, New York; Columbia, South Carolina; Miami; Raleigh, North Carolina, Cleveland, Ohio; Kansas City, Missouri; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; Sacramento, California; Mission Viejo, California, and San Antonio, Texas.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050512/ts_nm/arms_usa_recruiting_dc_1&printer=1
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Most kids my age don't want to go into the Army because of a possible deployment to Iraq. Even under this 15-month program though, their chances of going to the sand box are still almost as high as the standard 3-year AD enlistment.

dennisw
05-12-2005, 23:12
The Army said some young people might want to serve the country but do not want to dedicate the amount of time required by the normal four-year active-duty enlistment.

I'm not sure how they determined this to be true, but if it is, it is encouraging. Personally I think everyone should serve in some capacity. Military, Peace Corp or some kind of WPA program. Preferably the military.

Some folks don't believe believe we're at war. It's going to take another 9/11 or worse for them to get the point.

Pete
05-13-2005, 03:59
I note that is says 15 months after training. If you take 12 months to get trained then you will serve a total of 27 months. I also note the Reserve/NG/IIR time.

Let's face it guys, for the most part the military runs on privates. If all you can do is a private's job then we don't need a private with step pay over 20 years doing it. That's the old "Up or Out" program. The military does take it a step too far with some ranks and MOSs.

I think somebody who is coming up on two years in the service knows if they hate it and want to get out or like it and will re-up.

I like it but may have voted for 18 months.

Pete

The Reaper
05-13-2005, 07:28
Most kids my age don't want to go into the Army because of a possible deployment to Iraq. Even under this 15-month program though, their chances of going to the sand box are still almost as high as the standard 3-year AD enlistment.

Oh with 15 months, you'll go.

You just won't get to go twice like those who signed on for three years will.

TR

EX-Gold Falcon
05-13-2005, 19:48
I wonder if they'll make some MOSs off-limits to those who sign-up for this.

For example any of the highly technical (and sought after in the civilian sector) fields.


T.

The Reaper
05-13-2005, 20:03
I wonder if they'll make some MOSs off-limits to those who sign-up for this.

For example any of the highly technical (and sought after in the civilian sector) fields.

T.

I can almost guarantee it.

This will be open to shortage MOSes only with a short training cycle, like 11B.

TR

lksteve
05-13-2005, 21:53
Oh with 15 months, you'll go...You just won't get to go twice like those who signed on for three years will.



gotta love it...a cloud for every silver lining...

Weazle23
05-13-2005, 23:57
Oh with 15 months, you'll go.

You just won't get to go twice like those who signed on for three years will.

TR

A guy in my company (in the 82nd) signed up for 18 months and he already has a short (4 month) deployment under his belt. They could easily stop/loss him in time for the next go-round.

The Dave
05-14-2005, 00:19
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Most kids my age don't want to go into the Army because of a possible deployment to Iraq. Even under this 15-month program though, their chances of going to the sand box are still almost as high as the standard 3-year AD enlistment.

Imagine if everyone going in the military, (going into the 15 month enlistment) had this train of thought.

Scary.

Kyobanim
05-14-2005, 05:18
Imagine if everyone going in the military, (going into the 15 month enlistment) had this train of thought.

Scary.
That's the problem, most do.

At the campus here there is general support for the GWOT from the students. They're all gung ho, "go kill a terr" type people. But when you ask them why they haven't signed up it's the same thing; I don't want to go to war and die.

The Dave
05-14-2005, 13:47
That's the problem, most do.

At the campus here there is general support for the GWOT from the students. They're all gung ho, "go kill a terr" type people. But when you ask them why they haven't signed up it's the same thing; I don't want to go to war and die.

Exactly. I tell others of my ambitions after school, and they just ask "Why do you want to go and die?" I just avoid the rest of the conversation, theres no changing these peoples minds.

The Reaper
05-14-2005, 13:54
They will be offered the option of serving 15 months on active duty after completing their training, and then two years in the part-time Army Reserve or National Guard. The soldier then would spend nearly seven years in the Individual Ready Reserve

What do you think the odds are of your Guard or Reserve unit being called up some time during a two year period, or of being mobilized from the IRR during your seven years?

IMHO, you would likely be deployed fewer times with a 36 month AD contract.

TR

Kyobanim
05-14-2005, 14:35
I still say they need to build a FOG brigade. Just make sure there's lots of vehicles in the TO&E. We don't like to car pool.

lksteve
05-14-2005, 14:48
I still say they need to build a FOG brigade. Just make sure there's lots of vehicles in the TO&E. We don't like to car pool.
you mean, the FOGs of War?

The Reaper
05-14-2005, 15:11
you mean, the FOGs of War?

"Cry Havoc and let slip, the FOGs of War!"

Anyone remember the "Walker Brigade" skit?

TR

Manstein
05-14-2005, 15:44
What do you think the odds are of your Guard or Reserve unit being called up some time during a two year period, or of being mobilized from the IRR during your seven years?

IMHO, you would likely be deployed fewer times with a 36 month AD contract.

TR


I agree.

What appears to be a better enlistment plan for those avoiding deployment, is actually just another "shell game" as my dad would put it.

Perhaps the author got IRR and the Inactive Reserves mixed up? I know after I enlist next year, and my 36 months are up, I'll be put on the Inactive reserves for a period of 5 years.

aricbcool
05-16-2005, 21:23
Perhaps the author got IRR and the Inactive Reserves mixed up?
Manstein,

From what I understand, IRR stands for Inactive Ready Reserves. Perhaps the same thing as what you're looking at when you enlist?

As far as the 15 month offer, I would rather sign up for 4 years AD cut and dried than 15 months AD followed by years of worrying about wether or not I would be activated.

--Aric

lksteve
05-16-2005, 21:27
From what I understand, IRR stands for Inactive Ready Reserves.
Individual Ready Reserve is how i always understood it...

aricbcool
05-16-2005, 21:40
Individual Ready Reserve is how i always understood it...

Doh! Should have Googled it first.

Thanks lksteve. :o

--Aric

Manstein
05-19-2005, 14:54
A little update on this topic. This article explains the enlistment option much better.

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The Army is dramatically expanding it's National Call to Service (NCS) Enlistment Program, commonly called the "Two-Year Enlistment."

Congress mandated that all of the military services offer the NCS program, effective October 2003. Under the NCS program, a person enlists on active duty for a period of 15 months, following basic training and job training (which makes an average 24-month active duty enlistment period).

Everyone who enlists under the NCS incurs a total 8 year military service obligation. Following the active duty commitment, recruits will have to accept one of the following:

* Reenlist on active duty (for a time-period that will be specified in the original enlistment contract)
* Serve two years in the active National Guard or Reserves (this means a minimum of drilling one weekend per month, plus training for two weeks per year, plus the possibility of being recalled to active duty by the President for deployments/contingency operations, etc.).

After serving for the additional time period mentioned above, the commitment is not over over yet (remember, this is a total eight year commitment). Whatever time remains on that total eight year commitment, must be spent in one of the following programs:

* Active Duty
* Selected Reserves (The one that requires weekend drill and two weeks per year training)
* Inactive Reserves (The program where you can be recalled to active duty if needed, but don't perform weekend drill or annual training)
* Other program such as Peace Corps or Americorps
* Combination of any of the above

As with the other services, the Army wasn't thrill with the program when Congress mandated it, and instituted it on a very limited basis. The program was only available at 10 of the Army’s 41 recruiting battalions: Albany, N.Y.; Columbia, S.C.; Miami; Raleigh, N.C.; Cleveland; Kansas City, Mo.; Oklahoma City; Sacramento and Southern California (Mission Viejo, Calif.), and San Antonio, Texas. However, sagging recruiting numbers have promted the Army to expand the program to all of their recruiting locations.

So, what do recruits who agree to enlist under this program get?

Members who enlist under the National Call to Service Program will receive their choice of one of the following enlistment incentives:

* Payment of a bonus in the amount of $5,000, payable on completion of the active duty service portion.
* Payment in an amount not to exceed $18,000 of outstanding principal and interest on qualifying student loans. This is also payable upon completion of the active duty portion.
* An "Education Allowance" which is equal to Full Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) , Education Rates for up to 12 months of education (which currently equates to $816 per month for 12 months of full-time education).
* An "Education Allowance" which is equal to 1/2 Monthly GI Bill Benefits for up to 36 months of education (which currently equates to $408 per month for 36 months of full-time education).

Note: Recruits who enlist under the National Call to Service program are not eligible for the MGIB, unless they later reenlist for two or more additional years.

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