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Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2005, 12:06
Anyone want to discuss? What are your team's needs and what do you want them to do in the draft? :munchin
Well... as the reigning back to back champs I think this year the Pats needs are bigger then ever...especially if Bruschi isn't back from his stroke/heart problem. So I'd say the top 3 areas of need are:
1)Lineback both outside and inside...they need to get younger
2)Offensive Line especially at the right tackle and guard position
3)Corner.. although the group we had last year was good enough to win
Although to be honest I don't really see anyone in the division competing with us although with the Bills it will depend on Losman, the Jets aren't going to be all that great, and the Fin's are still all screwed up on offense since Ricky left them. :boohoo
Manstein
04-12-2005, 17:11
The Steelers have a few problems to address currently. Free agency didn't help us much at all.
1.) Wide Reciever - Hines Ward is solid, but Antwan Randel El is not a starting wide out by any means. Too short, not a deep threat. He's a possession reciever, best used in the slot. As I stated in the Matt Jones thread, Jones would be a perfect replacement for Plaxico Burress who is now with the Giants.
2.) Inside linebacker - Losing Kendrell Bell to the free agency might hurt a lot, or it might not hurt that much depending upon how well his back up Larry Foote plays. Right now the steelers need to draft an ILB to back up Foote. I personally feel Barrett Ruud from Nebraska would be a good pick in the second round, possibly third.
3.) Defensive Back - A pure cover corner is something the Steelers haven't had since before Rod Woodson blew out his ACL. We had Willie Williams starting this past year, but he is about as old as Brother Methuselah, and isn't a good option for a starter. I really don't know much about the good CB's in this years draft.
The Division looks to be top heavy as usual. Baltimore will be looking to re-establish themselves (good luck with Kyle Boller at QB though). Every year Cincinatti is supposed to make a push, they end up choking as always. The Cleveland Browns...lol, no comment on that laughable city, organization, and team.
Steelers are strong enough in the linebacker positions, even if Foote would go down (knock on wood), they don't need a stellar player inside, just one who can carry themselves (draft in the fourth or fifth for a linebacker). However, they do need some secondary-- the ideal person would be Pac-Man Jones, who could also do punt returns (I am slightly biased, big WVU fan). But, since they don't have a high draft pick, they should pick up a TE. Heath Miller has tight hands, although his blocking is suspect. Matt Jones would do well too. Their offense is pretty tight though, need to focus on the secondary, need someone to take the attention off of Polamalu so he can get in and put the smack down. But Cowher always drafts contrary to what most people think he should do, and since he is doing well, will just have to sit back and wonder.
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2005, 18:10
I think Cowher is a top 5 NFL coach. Brilliant dude.
What are your team's needs and what do you want them to do in the draft?
i usta be from Colorado...Denver could use a pass rush, a top-flight wide out and the second comings of John Elway and Terrell Davis...that being said...
the guy who started this thread is from LA...they could use a team... :D
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2005, 18:25
the guy who started this thread is from LA...they could use a team... :D
Bastard. LOL
I am used to not having a team -- grew up in Phoenix and moved away before they got the Cardinals. So I adopted the Vikings as my team as a kid.
They need a WR and help on D -- everywhere on D.
Bastard.
considering the source, that's quite a compliment.... :D
tyrsnbdr
04-12-2005, 18:33
49ers... I don't even know where to start.
new QB
new OLine
new WRs
new RBs
new Dline
new Linebackers
new DBs
and new Safeties.
That should be a good start. I'm a die hard fan, but last couple of seasons were rough.
49ers... I don't even know where to start.
That should be a good start. I'm a die hard fan, but last couple of seasons were rough.
so, no tight ends? no special teamers? no kickers?
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2005, 18:38
considering the source, that's quite a compliment.... :D
Did you think it was intended otherwise? ;)
Did you think it was intended otherwise?
well, it needed stating...so, you think Randy Moss was that big a help to the Vikings? :confused:
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2005, 18:43
well, it needed stating...so, you think Randy Moss was that big a help to the Vikings? :confused:
He is a difference-maker, but a cancer too. They did not get equal value, but they dumped his salary and got rid of his issues. We'll see what they do with the salary cap room they cleared. I'm hoping Mike Williams slips to them.
Randy Moss thought he was far more than he really was- all talk, very little action, followed by lots of whining. I remember him in high school football, he was the same way, a superstar whiner. Let's see how he does away from Minnesota, that will be the tell-all.
49ers... I don't even know where to start.
new QB
new OLine
new WRs
new RBs
new Dline
new Linebackers
new DBs
and new Safeties.
That should be a good start. I'm a die hard fan, but last couple of seasons were rough.
Can go a long way by drafting Mike Williams (couldn't go wrong with Braylon Edwards either, although Williams is more physical) first off, he could be the new blood they need after T.O's departure. Sadly, they will probably take a QB first, which has shown to be a not too bright thing in the last few years (Joey Harrington for example)
Just my .02, for what it's worth
The Reaper
04-12-2005, 20:12
I think Cowher is a top 5 NFL coach. Brilliant dude.
I went to college with Bill Cowher. He was one year ahead of me, and I have been drunk with him at a party or two.
He is a good man and a great coach, but I would not exactly call him brilliant.
TR
CommoGeek
04-12-2005, 20:22
Since we can't get a coach with some integrity and skill on draft day I guess I'll take whoever the Vikings draft and hope for the best.... yet again.
Hey Mike, where's my cut from the scalp... err, Super Bowl tickets?
Manstein
04-13-2005, 06:37
Steelers are strong enough in the linebacker positions, even if Foote would go down (knock on wood), they don't need a stellar player inside, just one who can carry themselves (draft in the fourth or fifth for a linebacker).
You makea good point. With Larry Foote starting most of the games last year, we still had the #1 defense in the league against the rush, #2 against the pass, and #1 ranked defense overall. I just don't think Foote is the long term answer, he needs a solid back up to take his place 2 years from now. Right now Larry Foote's back up is Clint Kriewaldt lol A special teams guy, but definately not an ILB on the vaunted steel curtain.
However, they do need some secondary-- the ideal person would be Pac-Man Jones, who could also do punt returns (I am slightly biased, big WVU fan).
Pac-man would be an ideal CB for the Steelers. He is a pure cover corner, and one of the fastest in the Draft. unfortunately the Steelers arent drafting until 30th this year, and it just isnt realistic to be able to grab him. Most draft analysts are predicting pac-man will go in the top 15. We won't be able to trade up that high to get him.
But, since they don't have a high draft pick, they should pick up a TE. Heath Miller has tight hands, although his blocking is suspect.
Correct. The majority of Draft analysts have the Steelers either taking Matt Jones or Heath Miller in the first round.
But Cowher always drafts contrary to what most people think he should do, and since he is doing well, will just have to sit back and wonder.
Cowher does have a tendency to make "project picks" early in the draft. Some of them work out well (Antwan Randel El), some of them fail miserably (Alonzo Jackson, dressed for 9 games, 8 career tackles :rolleyes: )
On a side note, what do you folks think the 49'ers will do with the first pick? Soem think they will take Aaron Rodgers, others think they will trade it.
On a side note, what do you folks think the 49'ers will do with the first pick? Soem think they will take Aaron Rodgers, others think they will trade it.
I heard a while back that they were going to trade it to SD for Rivers but I think that deal is pretty much over with. So at this point I'm going with them taking Rodgers although they have so many needs that if they could trade down they should but I don't see that happening either.
Manstein
04-23-2005, 23:32
Well, the first day is over now. The Jags stole Matt Jones with the 21st pick :mad:
The Steelers grabbed Heath Miller (TE) in the first round, as many felt they would if Jones wasn't available. The damn Chargers took Vincent Jackson 1 pick before the Steelers could.
Poor Aaron Rodgers sat at his table for 5 hours before his name was called lol.
Alex Smith was reluctantly taken as the 1st pick overall. The 49'ers were scrambling to find someone to trade the pick to, right up until announcing Smith as their boy it seemed.
Anyone else have any thoughts on the draft?
the Donkeys take Maurice Clarett? i'm not sure he's the second coming of Terrell Davis... :rolleyes:
Manstein
04-24-2005, 10:08
the Donkeys take Maurice Clarett? i'm not sure he's the second coming of Terrell Davis... :rolleyes:
lol
Well the sad thing is, it is very well possible he could get over 1,000 yds this season with them. They are primarily a running team, and they play twice against bottom-of the-barrel defenses like Kansas City, and Oakland.
lol
Well the sad thing is, it is very well possible he could get over 1,000 yds this season with them. They are primarily a running team, and they play twice against bottom-of the-barrel defenses like Kansas City, and Oakland.
if a 4.86 40 gets him 1000 yards, i'll be amazed...whether he's running against Oakland, Kansas City or the Little Sisters of the Poor...
Manstein
04-24-2005, 12:45
if a 4.86 40 gets him 1000 yards, i'll be amazed...whether he's running against Oakland, Kansas City or the Little Sisters of the Poor...
Well after running that 4.8 and quitting the work out because he was so embaressed, he went on a strict work out program with his trainers to build speed. He was re-clocked at around a 4.6 a month or two later. (still not "blazing" speed though)
Him running a 4.8 the first time at an NFL work out makes me question his work ethic though. (as does him skipping most of his classes, and sleeping in the ones he actually attended, and getting kicked out of college :p )
Sad how that kind of attitude will land you a phat contract in the NFL, if you have the right genes.
Him running a 4.8 the first time at an NFL work out makes me question his work ethic though. (as does him skipping most of his classes, and sleeping in the ones he actually attended, and getting kicked out of college :p )
Sad how that kind of attitude will land you a phat contract in the NFL, if you have the right genes.
Did you see about the kid, Brakens, who got drafted in I believe it was the 5th round by TB. He was just a JUCO standout because somehow he managed to not academically qualify for Miami or OSU.
I'm curious whether he'll even be able to remember the playbook or if they'll rename the plays Brakens Post, Brakens Block, ect.