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I read about an 18D who, after his completion of the "Q" course, had military training that accounted for 82 hours of civilian college credit. This has a certain relevance to my situation so I am curious if this could be accurate. (ballpark) Thanks.
I read about an 18D who, after his completion of the "Q" course, had military training that accounted for 82 hours of civilian college credit. This has a certain relevance to my situation so I am curious if this could be accurate. (ballpark) Thanks.
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The Reaper
03-19-2005, 18:57
I like his initials, though.
TR
I like his initials, though.
TR
Sir,
You have a point. What are the odds......naw
lol
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The bulk of college credits you receive after successful completion of the 18D course will be in science. This may not help you a great deal if you are getting a B.A. degree, but might if you are getting a B.S. degree. Your evaluation process also depends on how far you are along in your current college curriculum. You may have already completed A&P at your school for example and don't need a second class in it from the 18D course. Another possible variable is the college you are attending and what they will accept from your military training. There are other courses in the military that can give you college credits too. We have Education Centers on every military base with Counselors ready to assist you. Many of the Counselors are retired military and understand what you are going through.
The final answer is that yes the 18D course awards credits, but you will have to wait and see what courses apply to your particular situation after graduation from the military course and then an education review with a college.
Doc
Thank you for filling out your profile.
The bulk of college credits you receive after successful completion of the 18D course will be in science. This may not help you a great deal if you are getting a B.A. degree, but might if you are getting a B.S. degree. Your evaluation process also depends on how far you are along in your current college curriculum. You may have already completed A&P at your school for example and don't need a second class in it from the 18D course. Another possible variable is the college you are attending and what they will accept from your military training. There are other courses in the military that can give you college credits too. We have Education Centers on every military base with Counselors ready to assist you. Many of the Counselors are retired military and understand what you are going through.
The final answer is that yes the 18D course awards credits, but you will have to wait and see what courses apply to your particular situation after graduation from the military course and then an education review with a college.
Doc
I appreciate your response. Thank you.
I appreciate your response. Thank you.
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Mr. Freeze
04-02-2005, 12:33
In no way BTDT as an SF Medic, just to preface this...
After I got out and job prospects didn't pan out, I started school and worked at my college VA office making sure GI Bill/VEAP or dependent benefits for other vets went as smooth as possible.
Anyway, an OKC LEO came in and wanted his AARTS and 214 eval'd for credit. MOS was 91B, late 80's-early 90's service. He wasn't pissed how little he would get, but just like anyone else who put in time, he was disappointed. So he said, "Well, look up 18D." Ignorant of the significance of that, I did. We looked, and they'll still look, up MOS or AFSC or rating in service-specific manuals, or ACE books, that list everything you can get advanced standing (credit) for depending on your military education. While it was significantly greater than 91B, I don't remember it being 84 hours. However, this could have been due to changes in licensure or curriculum. IIRC, it was more like 30. But I do distinctly remember 18D's getting 2 hours for "Emergency Veterinary Medicine", which I figured is an academic way to say "edited, and I better not see these words again.-TR"...
So you can probably access the current edition of the manual at a local college VA office, and see what the most accurate numbers are. Be aware that even if the book says you get 'em, if the school doesn't have a program that fits well, they get lumped in as electives. Which still saves you money, but shorts you because you can't count them all; a lot of programs are going to have upper-division req's for electives, which cost more, so they don't want to let you out of those as easy.
Something I have always wondered about though, does the pipeline show up on a 214? It sounded reasonable enough, but he said his 214 as a 91B essentially ended when he went SF; everything post-qual was kept at the JFK Center. It sounded fishy enough to make me wonder later, but just feasible enough to have been another esoteric aspect of SF.
Pulling back to Lurkerville,
Freeze
Ambush Master
04-02-2005, 12:42
Something I have always wondered about though, does the pipeline show up on a 214? It sounded reasonable enough, but he said his 214 as a 91B essentially ended when he went SF; everything post-qual was kept at the JFK Center. It sounded fishy enough to make me wonder later, but just feasible enough to have been another esoteric aspect of SF.
The 214 thing was/is a mystery to me. The only thing on my various 214s that reflects SFQC is my MOS designator, 11C/11B-4S. When I applied for my Yarborough, the secretary had to call the SF Museum and Roxanne, the curator, assured them that it was the same as being an 18B !!
Eagle5US
04-02-2005, 20:13
Something I have always wondered about though, does the pipeline show up on a 214? It sounded reasonable enough, but he said his 214 as a 91B essentially ended when he went SF; everything post-qual was kept at the JFK Center. It sounded fishy enough to make me wonder later, but just feasible enough to have been another esoteric aspect of SF.
Pulling back to Lurkerville,
Freeze
Wonder no more-dude was lying through his teeth.
Eagle
I believe they (SOCM) are actually very close to getting accredited or have recently been accredited as an Associate's Degree program.
Eagle5US
04-03-2005, 18:11
I believe they (SOCM) are actually very close to getting accredited or have recently been accredited as an Associate's Degree program.
Associates degree for what?
They (unfortunately) haven't been able to maintain their ability to provide National Registry EMT - P credentialing. I seriously doubt they would be able to justify a 2 year collegiate degree after only 1 year of schooling. Especially without additional core curricular classes (english / math) added.
On a similar "rumor"-
I actually had a guy here in Hawaii tell me that now 18D's have the option of "Challenging the PA exam on graduation" seeing as how he had TWO close and personal buds, who were recent graduates, that did just that.
The only "problem" was that by challenging the PA exam, they had to forfeit their status as an 18D, and since they both failed, they were re-assigned according to the needs of the army under their "pre-18D MOS". :rolleyes:
Hmmmm.....what a waste...
Eagle
Kyobanim
04-03-2005, 18:58
I don't normally post here but I do have a little insight on the educational side of this.
Having worked at a community college for a while now with a fairly large nursing/paramedic/emt program here's an observation to consider. Colleges are in business to make money. Not nesessarily a large profit, but money to increase their degree offerings and to have to offer to those who they consider good teachers and staff they'd like to have and other things. It's a prestige thing. Go figure.
If a program doesn't make a certain amount of money they will drop like a hot potato. I've sat in on a few meetings where this has come up and it's not a pretty sight. What one college in a part of the country doesn't allow, one in another part might. If the colleges around you don't accept your training try checking in other areas
At my school they are always fiddling with requirements for the medical arts. Right now they are looking at relaxing or changing some of the requirements because we're bringing 2 new buildings on line just for the medical arts. That will give us 4 medical related buildings. They will be making it more attractive to prospective sturdents to get them to sign up and fill those classes. Once they fill up the requirements will change again. That's the nature of the beast.
To add to my earlier post, it isn't SOCM that receives the Assoc. degree, but SFMS grads. I don't know what the actual title of the degree is, but when I find out, I'll pass that along. Again, pretty positive this is legit, but not definitive yet.
Eagle5US
04-07-2005, 19:50
To add to my earlier post, it isn't SOCM that receives the Assoc. degree, but SFMS grads. I don't know what the actual title of the degree is, but when I find out, I'll pass that along. Again, prettyt positive this is legit, but not definitive yet.
Please do-I need another degree :D
This was the most credits offered that I could find (46) given by the "American College of Pre-Hospital Medicine"
MIL Credit Consideration (http://www.acpm.edu/military.asp)
Eagle
As a young soldier I learned of the A.C.E Guide for the Evaluation of Service Schools.
Here is a link to the internet version:
http://www.acenet.edu/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Military_Programs&Template=/TaggedPage/TaggedPageDisplay.cfm&TPLID=56&ContentID=8754
For many service schools with an academic component there is a recommendation for college credits. Note that this is only a recommendation, and each college or university is free to accept or reject the recommendations, to require additional requirements, or to limit the amount of such "non-traditional" credits.
Between service school credits (O.C.S., Combat Engineer NCO School, Special Forces Officer's Course) and credit by examination only (C.L.E.P. and related tests) I was able to get a two year head start on my college degree.
They (unfortunately) haven't been able to maintain their ability to provide National Registry EMT - P credentialing. Eagle
Interesting...
If you know of a problem, please PM me the particulars and I will ask my brother in law who is an Instructor at the JSOMTB about this.
The head guru at that program is a friend of mine and would probably also like to know about the problem(s) you are referring to.
Curious minds would like to know.
Doc