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NousDefionsDoc
03-06-2005, 11:16
Clintonista Admits Dems Rooting for Terrorists
A senior Clinton administration national security official offered a stunning admission this week, confessing during a national television interview that Democrats are secretly rooting for the Bush administration's war on terrorism to fail.
In comments largely overlooked by the mainstream press, former Clinton National Security Council member Nancy Soderberg discussed the recent outbreak of democracy in the Middle East with "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart.
"As a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress," Soderberg observed, before quickly adding, "But as an American, you hope good things would happen."
However, Soderberg quickly undermined her own caveat, noting, "It's scary for Democrats, I have to say."
After noting that the U.S.'s remarkable foreign policy success followed the toppling of one of the three members of the axis of evil, Soderberg suggested again that the more success America has in defeating global terrorism, the worse it is for her party.
"Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's still hope for the rest of us. ... There's always hope that this might not work."
Only OpinionJournal.com, the Washington Times and Rush Limbaugh reported the former Clinton official's outrageous remarks.
Ms. Soderberg appeared on the "Daily Show" to promote her new book, "The Superpower Myth: The Use and Misuse of American Might."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006362
"Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's still hope for the rest of us. ... There's always hope that this might not work."
OMG!
Only OpinionJournal.com, the Washington Times and Rush Limbaugh reported the former Clinton official's outrageous remarks.
But of course.
Ms. Soderberg appeared on the "Daily Show" to promote her new book, "The Superpower Myth: The Use and Misuse of American Might."
I hope she cited President's Carter and Clinton's use of the military.
Some tasty flamebait early in the day. :munchin
ghostinashell
03-06-2005, 11:47
I saw this interview on the old boob-tube the other night and it always amazes me when the democrates say it is the republicans that propogate political division in this country when in actuality it is both parties that promote such a seperation. Why would the democrates want the war on terror to fail? So they can collectively say my dick is bigger than yours. Why would anyone in this country who loves this country promote the breeding of future generations of terrorists? I am sure there are better ways for the democrates to get into power than by saying well his attempt at war didn't work lets try our way. I live in New York and I constantly see these t-shirts that say Bush isn't my president; yes he is you fuckers he got elected by the majority... anyways not trying to hijack and sorry for the rant.
longrange1947
03-06-2005, 13:04
That is no different then the Europeans who hope fervantly for the same thing. They keep wishing and hoping for a major massacre of Amereican forces so that they can say "See we told it would happen". Hell why do you think that the national press only writes about the American deaths as if we were being slaughtered over there with no mention of Terrorist deaths?
Cripes the Journalists and Dems go hand in hand all the time anyway. They do screw up and show their true colors once in a while though. Unforunately the sheeple of the US do not notice most of the time.
Roguish Lawyer
03-06-2005, 13:17
I don't find it stunning. I find it obvious.
I am continually disgusted by the genetic debris that comprises the liberal left.
Obviously the voting public feels the majority of the liberal left is inept and would only appease the terrorists around the globe. Screw her, the liberal left and the horses they rode in on.
I love it when they wail and gnash their teeth. Give it another year at this pace, and half the Left will be crawling on all fours, eating grass and rubbing dirt in their hair on the way to the next Pity Party a/k/a Democratic National Convention. :D
It was the "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. How serious are we supposed to take what comes from a comedy show? Do we expect the same level of answer that we'd get from Meet the Press or Face the Nation.
I don't think much of what she said but never the less it was on Comedy Central.
Bravo1-3
03-07-2005, 01:28
It was the "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. How serious are we supposed to take what comes from a comedy show? Do we expect the same level of answer that we'd get from Meet the Press or Face the Nation.
I don't think much of what she said but never the less it was on Comedy Central.
I don't care if she was talking in her sleep to her pillow. She said it on national TV, on a show that has a larger audience than Meet the Press or Face the Nation no less.
I don't care if she was talking in her sleep to her pillow. She said it on national TV, on a show that has a larger audience than Meet the Press or Face the Nation no less.
So you think the context of the show and the network that aired it should have nothing to do with her answer or that the context doesn't matter and a person should always be aware of the fact that their statements are made public?
Bravo1-3
03-07-2005, 01:49
So you think the context of the show and the network that aired it should have nothing to do with her answer or that the context doesn't matter and a person should always be aware of the fact that their statements are made public?
I think a public personality, who is pushing a book based on her credibility and political ideology would probably do well to consider what they are saying whenever they are speaking in a room with more than one person in it. It goes without saying that she should probably have considered that before going on television.
It's one thing when Jon Stewart calls Tucker Carlson a dick. It's another thing entirely when they say something that is effectively "I hope that the North Koreans start a war" or "I hope the Iranians nuke Haifa before 2008". Context of the show be damned.
FWIW, I didn't find much humor in the Presidents statements at the National PRess Club Dinner re: "Nope, no WMD under here" either.
NousDefionsDoc
03-07-2005, 07:38
I don't care if she was wearing a clown suit on the Red Skelton Show. She's a former member of the National Security Council, the subject was the currrent conflict (which is still going on) and there are troops in the field. And personally, I believe there is much more truth to that statement than most people want to admit. A lot of these are the same generation that went and sat on AA guns in Vietnam. Would she have been on that show if there wasn't a war on and she wasn't a former member of the NSC? NO!
For the record, I didn't really appreciate POTUS making jokes about WMD a while back either. For the correspondent's dinner I believe it was. When politicians start making jokes and developing a glib attitude about war the loss doesn't sting them quite as much anymore.
Personally, I think they all ought to have to take a stomach punch everytime we lose a troop - not as punishment, but rather to remind them it's not a board game or being done to further their personal careers.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
03-07-2005, 08:01
Personally, I think they all ought to have to take a stomach punch everytime we lose a troop - not as punishment, but rather to remind them it's not a board game or being done to further their personal careers.
I concur, there is no pain felt by any of these clowns. Personnally I think a gut punch is a fleeting event what we need is to be able to ratchet up something that is expodential in nature that is irritating, ever present, and self-increasing with the loss of every troop.
Jack Moroney
Roguish Lawyer
03-07-2005, 12:25
Personally, I think they all ought to have to take a stomach punch everytime we lose a troop - not as punishment, but rather to remind them it's not a board game or being done to further their personal careers.
Yes, and you should deliver them personally.
POTUS had to make fun of the WMD issue for his own political survival. That may be an overstatement, but it's true.
It was the "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. How serious are we supposed to take what comes from a comedy show? Do we expect the same level of answer that we'd get from Meet the Press or Face the Nation.
I don't think much of what she said but never the less it was on Comedy Central.
No matter the venue IMHO. A subject of such magnitude is serious business and she should damn well know how her comments will be construed whether she is on a news program...or a comedy program.
I didn't like the WMD "jokes" by POTUS either. Bad taste...I actually cringed when he did them.
aricbcool
03-07-2005, 18:49
Full disclosure: I haven't seen the specific episode...
...but I am familiar with the format of the show. And usually Jon Stewart and co. will have various comedy sequences with one big interview in the middle. This interview is usually with someone who is pushing something (book, movie, CD, etc.) and is usually serious in nature.
In short, just because the channel is comedy central, doesn't mean you can dismiss the comment. IMHO
As far as the comments go, I'm surprised no-one has slipped like this before. This whole America fails/ dems win attitude has been there since Bush got elected (in 2000). Anyone remember all the talk about how much of a bloodbath/quagmire/'nother Vietnam the media made Afghanistan out to be? They've been doing this for the last 5 years. And as usual, no-one mainstream reports it. :mad:
Respectfully,
Aric
With that audience they probably laughed when she said it. I didn't find it funny at all. There is nothing tougue in cheek about hoping the "Republican's" fail, when that also means American's fail.
The left is going to have a hard time getting their message across when they consider America's failure thier successes. It is downright pathetic and reeks of treason.
"As a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress"........."Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's still hope for the rest of us. ... There's always hope that this might not work."
She's a funny gal.
The more I think about this the more incensed I am getting. This treasonous *itch's comments are beyond outrageous and revolting.
Can you even begin to imagine the outcry and rage from across the aisle had a Republican made the same comments?
longrange1947
03-07-2005, 20:04
As far as the comments go, I'm surprised no-one has slipped like this before. This whole America fails/ dems win attitude has been there since Bush got elected (in 2000). Anyone remember all the talk about how much of a bloodbath/quagmire/'nother Vietnam the media made Afghanistan out to be? They've been doing this for the last 5 years. And as usual, no-one mainstream reports it. :mad:
Respectfully,
Aric
Actually this is the thrust, hopes and wishes of the Euro elite as well. The lefty, that just set a 1 million dollar price on the head of every Italian in Iraq, has had this wish ever since she predicted the bloodbath that did not appear. This is also the reason for the mainstreams' daily reporting of death in Iraq. If there has not been a death then they report the last two or three until there are some more deaths.
This whole thing should wake up the US people to the danger and negativity of the left. Even when they claim taht it is the Republicans that are negative.
As far as the double standard of "moral outrage", hell that one has been going for more then just five years. It has always been ok for the left to make outragous statements and not get slammed for it. Look at Byrd and his Nazi statement. Heck if the Rep. had made anywhere near a statement as inflammatory as that, the outcry and moral outrage would have had Peloski and those of her ilk in tears.
Piss on them all.
boat guy
03-08-2005, 08:43
It was the "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. How serious are we supposed to take what comes from a comedy show? Do we expect the same level of answer that we'd get from Meet the Press or Face the Nation.
I don't think much of what she said but never the less it was on Comedy Central.
The fact that this was on Jon Stewart makes it much worse than you may believe. Although it is a case of preaching to the choir...it is the left choir and a big one at that. Jon Stewart and his Daily Show are a breeding ground of contempt among young voters in our nation. As Bravo 1-3 has pointed out, an astonishing number of voters actually get their news from this source as opposed to Meet the Press or Face the Nation.
http://www.business-journal.com/NoJokeDailyShowViewersKnowIssues.asp
You guys might see Jon Stewart on Comedy Central, in Europe the Daily Show is on CNN. Like you said, doesn't change the value, but it changes a little how some might figure it.
Basenshukai
03-08-2005, 13:41
So you think the context of the show and the network that aired it should have nothing to do with her answer or that the context doesn't matter and a person should always be aware of the fact that their statements are made public?
So I guess, if I can get on that show, I should be able to divulge classified information as no one should take it seriously, right?
Or, maybe, I could get away with insulting any minority and expect to get away with it. (Well, if I'm a Dem, I might get away with it).
Take care.
Her response is just more evidence of the widening gap between this clintoneques characters and the rest of us fairly normal Americans. They live in a dream world. What was Hilary's book, "it takes a village idiot".
Thought for a bumper sticker. support the president show your bush.
For the record, I didn't really appreciate POTUS making jokes about WMD a while back either. For the correspondent's dinner I believe it was. When politicians start making jokes and developing a glib attitude about war the loss doesn't sting them quite as much anymore.
I don't believe he has a glib attitude about losing soldiers. Furthermore, one of President Bush's best qualities is his ability to take a joke or poke fun at himself. I do understand that many people found little humor in the WMD joke but he was getting a lot of grief about the issue and was poking fun at his detractors as well as at himself. I simply don't believe he was making light of what the soldiers were and are doing.
I don't watch the Daily Show since I think it's stupid and wouldn't take anything said on it very seriously. Looks like a bunch of people think differently than I do. Thanks boat guy for the link.
Basenshukai - nice use of hyperbole ;)