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Ambush Master
02-20-2005, 12:22
I'm running Windows ME and have been plagued with several spyware related problems for the past couple of weeks.
Well, I've got Norton AV and Firewall, Spybot Search and Destroy, Spyware Stormer, Ad-Aware, and Spykiller 2005 !!! I've killed everything in the "Temp and Temporary Internet" Folders and run all of the above in Safe Mode, but there is still something embedded that is hot-linking words like ass, titts, hot etc to porn sites !!!
Anyone got any ideas ???
Many Thanks in Advance !!
Martin
AM, Are you and CC sharing stuff in emails or something? He called me this morning with computer woes. Sounds like you probably have some Malware hanging out on your system.
Warning: The following instructions I'm about to give are for your Windows ME and not other OS's, even though much of the same applies.
Depending on the circumstances what all you use your computer for the best approach may be to backup your data/wipe/reinstall. A clean install is the only 100% guaranteed way to return the computer to a fully functioning state. If the computer is used for anything important I'd do a clean install.
If the above is not a possiblility keep in mind that some malware is very well defended, so it's worth some time and effort to prevent it from running in the first place before trying to remove it.
Preparation:
Disconnect machine from any and all computer networks. Use a PS/2 based mouse and keyboard rather than USB.
Backup:
Make a backup image of your HDD or at a minimum backup your data to CD or other removeablke media.
Backup your registry.
Stop the malware from running:
Boot to Safe Mode with F8.
Ensure Windows Explorer is displaying hidden and system files.
Using a seperate computer that is "clean" download the AutoRuns (http://www.sysinternals.com/files/autoruns.zip) program from SysInternals.
Unzip and run the autoruns.exe from removable media (beware of malware with a good name in a bad directory...i.e. real version of winlogon.exe resides in the C:\Windows\system32 directory, but a copy of winlogon.exe in the C:\Windows directory is bad. Or slight spelling errors of a winlogin.exe in the C:\Windows\system32 directory is also bad.
Check the "hosts" file (in C:\WINDOWS) and if it has any entries other than 127.0.0.1, comment them out.
Look for Browser Helper Objects (BHOs) and disable anything you don't recognize. When in doubt disable it, you can always re-enable a BHO later.
Using a seperate computer that is "clean" download BHOdemon (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3550.html) from Definitive Solutions. Since this is larger I'd recommend to burn it to a CD on the "clean computer" and run it from that CD. Go to here (http://castlecops.com/CLSID.html) to see what is what..."X" means malware, "L" means benign.
Reboot back into Safe Mode.
Using a seperate computer that is "clean" download the Process Explorer (http://www.sysinternals.com/files/procexp9x.zip) from SysInternals.
Unzip and run the procexp.exe from removable media to examine all the running programs. For each malware program keep track of the the location of the underlying executable file. Kill each malware process and rename the underlying executable file and if the underlying executable file resides in its own directory rename the directory too. If you can't kill the process, boot to DOS and rename the underlying file from there using basic DOS like cd and ren.
If you went to DOS reboot back into Safe Mode and finish the above or manually inspect by checking the [windows] section of win.ini looking for an entry such as load=spyware.exe and run=spyware.exe, the section of system.ini looking for an entry such as Shell = explorer.exe spyware.exe, and the autoexec.bat looking for something like c:\spyware.exe.
[B]Sheck for other errors:
Reboot back into Safe Mode.
Run a full Scandisk or Check Disk.
Make another registry backup.
Delete the malware:
Reboot back into Safe Mode.
Remove any programs that you don't know what they are by using Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel. Also be sure to look for toolbars, helper programs, etc that can also give problems.
I've never seen a computer with so many anti spyware programs installed, but from my experiences I'll bet that they are clashing on some things. Also, be aware that running the usual anti-malware software can create problems when installing MS OS updates, other software installs, and other software updates. I'd think about removing all of them and later you can reinstall the ones you think you need...I like and use Lavasoft's Ad-Aware on my own system, but only install Spybot Search & Destroy if there are problems when cleaning someone's system. I cleaned a system about three weeks ago that was the worst system I've ever seen infected with malware/spyware. It took me three hours to get it all.
Boot normally.
Use the process monitor to check for any malware that might have been auto-started. Anything showing up usually creates a new instance of itself or use other namesand run from different locations at each startup. Note the underlying executable file, reboot to DOS, and rename the file.
Delete all of the following:
- All ActiveX controls (reside in C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files)
- The web browser cache (Temporary Internet Files)
- Cookies
- web browser history
- Empty recycle bin
- Disable System Restore to delete the old Restore points, then re-enable it and take a new Restore point.
Reboot normally.
Make sure no malware is auto-started at this point.
Look in the IE Trusted Zone and delete any web sites listed (Tools -> Internet Options -> Security Tab -> Trusted Zones -> Sites button).
Look through your IE Favorites and delete anything that looks suspicious.
Change the IE home page to a blank page (Tools -> Internet Options -> General).
Remove any trusted publishers (Tools -> Internet Options -> Content, click the Publishers button)
Get a firewall program up and running. I use and recommend the latest version of Symantec's Norton Standard Edition Internet Security (it has an Anti-Virus included) and is probably what your using already. If you already have a firewall installed review the rules to make sure you know what is allowed to access the network/Internet. If your not sure then uninstall the firewall and do a clean install of the latest version.
Connect your system to the LAN or however you connect to the Internet.
Scan your HDDs with Housecall (http://housecall.trendmicro.com/) from Trend Micro
Scan your HDDs with Security Check (http://www.symantec.com/securitycheck/) from Symantec.
Download Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE Personal (http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/) and scan the system.
Download Spybot Search & Destroy (http://www.safer-networking.org/en/mirrors/index.html) and scan the system.
Change the IE home page back to http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/ :D
Prevention:
1st get your programs up to date and setup your programs better:
- run Windows Update manually
- set Windows Update for automatic updates
- adjust IE settings for high security
- lower the size of the IE cache
- lower the size of the System Restore cache
- defrag
- delete TEMP files
- install an anti-virus product and update the software & datafiles
- set anti-virus software for automatic updates
- update other software you use...I use the technical cyber alert system here (http://www.us-cert.gov/), but there is also a non-technical one there.
- Use programs that aren't such large targets as Microsoft products like Firefox browser or Thunderbird email program
2nd learn what is good and what is bad. 99% of programs that are free and not from a reputable company probably have malware included in them. Don't install them! Read the EULA's...99% of them even say in the EULA that they have tracking software included, but most people just click "agree" and they install them. I could go on all day here in this area, but won't because I don't ahve the time after putting this together.
Good luck, Dan
RangerRick
02-20-2005, 15:06
got to tools , internet options, delete cookies, check the offline box as well, also try downloading the microsoft antispyware it clears alot of registry problems. if all else fails update to xp and clear everything. The above post came in before mine and Dan knows way more than i do.
RR
Ambush Master
02-22-2005, 19:07
Thanks to all, DAN IS THE MAN though !!! Follow his directions above and you can't go wrong !!! The BHODemon did the trick. All links are dropped and the speed is definitely back to normal.
Many thanks to all again !
Martin
My first thought when you just called was that I didn't write something down with quite enough info and you were calling for assistance. I can say that I was pleased to hear that your gremlins are not swinging from your ceiling fan anymore
:D
It's not everyday that I can repay you...thanks again for the cold brew system! One of the first things I did this morning was to warm some coffee up to get the day started right!!!
...I use the technical cyber alert system here (http://www.us-cert.gov/), but there is also a non-technical one there.
In case you didn't sign up for the technical alert system you will find the current alert here (http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB05-054.html).
Notice that even things like vBulletin that this forum is based on is listed under the UNIX / Linux Operating Systems there (we're up to date btw).
I'll have to try what DAN wrote. I can access this board and others however, my email addy I can't? :confused:
Can anyone explain how to back up your hard drive?
Ambush Master
02-24-2005, 19:57
Can anyone explain how to back up your hard drive?
Yeha, just put it in reverse !!! :D
Yeha, just put it in reverse !!! :D
LMFAO...
Kyobanim
02-24-2005, 21:05
Can anyone explain how to back up your hard drive?
first you have to have something to back it up to like a second hard drive or CDroms, etc.
What Kyo said plus...
Need to know:
- the Operating System you use (i.e. Window ME, Window XP, Redhat Linux 9, Mac OS X, etc).
- If you want emails/addressbook backed up then what email program you use (i.e. Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Mac OS X Mail, Mozilla Thunderbird).
- If you want your favorites backed up then what browser you use (i.e. Internet Explorer, Firefox, Galeon, Konqueror, Opera, etc).
Your best bet if your not sure what we're talking about or don't feel to good about doing this is to get a local geek you trust to do it for you. Don't give them the box especially if you don't trust them. Make em do the backup in front of you, so your data won't end up in a archive of backups to peruse at their leisure.
I downloaded that new Microsoft Anti-Spyware and it cleaned up a bunch of stuff.
Kyobanim
02-27-2005, 17:35
The Microsoft anti spyware software is going to be free to owners of registered copies of Windows XP w/ SP2. It comes out of beta in June.
From today's userfriendly.org :D
The Microsoft anti spyware software is going to be free to owners of registered copies of Windows XP w/ SP2. It comes out of beta in June.
It's out already, i installed it on my <ashamed> XP partition ;-) and it worked wonders,
Definate must.
That said, i primarily use Linux for everything other than Hebrew documents (although possible) and so far, been up to date with all the patches and Never a virus/spyware/malware problem in 4.5 years of usage. Not to say it's not possible, just harder and not as popular of a victim. In addition i've also NEVER paid for anything Linux related, and it's all above board.
I strongly suggest using partition magic , partiotioning your H/D and installing a user friendly Linux to be used for web browsing, email etc. It's just the safer way to go, and this way you can keep XP or whatever, use if for swhatever, but have the safety of Linux for any outside communication, net, email etc. BTW, the Linux ca nsee and write to your Windows partition keeping all your current docs etc., accessable.
Dan, Martin, Kyo, comments?
Hoepoe
Hoepoe
Linux is a great OS and I use it as well...I wish more people would use it. Partition Magic is a great tool that I've used for specific situations since the late 90's. Before people attempt something like your suggesting though they need to backup all their pertinent data.
I've been using MS Anti-Spyware and it seems to work well, although I'm still running Ad-Aware as well.
There are also rumors (http://www.betanews.com/article/Trojan_Targets_Microsoft_AntiSpyware/1108078219) that Microsoft will bundle this along with anti-virus software into a subscription service code-named A1.
Kyobanim
02-28-2005, 11:00
I've been using MS Anti-Spyware and it seems to work well, although I'm still running Ad-Aware as well.
There are also rumors (http://www.betanews.com/article/Trojan_Targets_Microsoft_AntiSpyware/1108078219) that Microsoft will bundle this along with anti-virus software into a subscription service code-named A1.
MS announced last week that it will be given away to licensed owners of XP. As a stand alone. Gates did this at the last big tech show.
The Microsoft anti spyware software is going to be free to owners of registered copies of Windows XP w/ SP2. It comes out of beta in June.
That Win XP w/SP2 screwed my desktop up. Luckily I copied all my pics to disk!
I lost so much SH!T it aint even funny and it even slowed my computer WAY down.
Read the reviews here http://www.download.com/Windows-XP-Service-Pack-2/3640-2098_4-10308947.html?pn=2&sb=0&v=0
My laptop will stay the way it is. I'm not about to try WINUPDATE on it.
Kyobanim
02-28-2005, 11:23
That Win XP w/SP2 screwed my desktop up. Luckily I copied all my pics to disk!
I lost so much SH!T it aint even funny and it even slowed my computer WAY down.
Read the reviews here http://www.download.com/Windows-XP-Service-Pack-2/3640-2098_4-10308947.html?pn=2&sb=0&v=0
My laptop will stay the way it is. I'm not about to try WINUPDATE on it.
Sorry you had those problems, Guy. I've put it on 2500 systems here with little or no problems. Anything we can do to assist?
MS announced last week that it will be given away to licensed owners of XP. As a stand alone. Gates did this at the last big tech show.Kyo, you're right. The way I read this is that MS will offer a bare-bones functionality version free, then charge for additional features, like Zone Alarm basic versus Pro. But then again, if it's only for licensed Windows users, it's not really "free."
eWeek article (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1765389,00.asp)
Gates: Consumer Anti-Spyware Tool Will Be Free
By Ryan Naraine
February 15, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO—Microsoft on Tuesday confirmed plans to roll out anti-virus and anti-spyware products for enterprise customers, but details on pricing and release dates remain tightly under wraps.
Microsoft Corp. chairman Bill Gates used the spotlight of the RSA Security conference to discuss Redmond's aggressive push deliver the first version of "the ultimate mail virus protection" by the end of this year.
He also announced that a consumer version of Microsoft's anti-spyware software will be free for genuine Windows users.
"We've looked hard at the nature of this problem, and made a decision that this anti-spyware capability will become something that's available at no additional charge for Windows users—both the blocking capability, and the scanning and removal capabilities. Those are features we think should be available to protect every system," Gates said.
Microsoft on Tuesday also announced it will push out a refresh of the Internet Explorer browser by July or August, despite recent statements to the contrary. However, Version 7 will only work under Windows XP and Service Pack 2, leaving many users out in the cold. Click here to read more.
Gytis Barzdukas, director of product management in Microsoft's security business technology unit, said the free anti-spyware tools would only be available for a "personal edition" and made it clear that an enterprise version with management capabilities will carry a price tag.
"We're planning a refresh [of the anti-spyware beta] within the next few months. In the meantime, we're talking to enterprise customers, asking them about the management capabilities they need. Once we figure all that out, we will release a managed version," Barzdukas said in an interview with eWEEK.com.
He declined to discuss marketing plans or address reports that anti-spyware/anti-virus/firewall products will be bundled into a security subscription service code-named "A1."
"We have trials for subscription type products all the time. A1 is just one of those things. These are usually small, limited trials," Barzdukas added.
During the keynote presentation, Gates said the anti-virus product will piggyback on enterprise-ready functionality in the recently acquired Sybari Antigen, which provides mail protection for networks that support applications such as Microsoft Exchange and Lotus Notes platforms.
"The e-mail vector continues to be the primary means of virus threat," Gates declared, nothing that 88 percent of virus incidents in corporations are coming through e-mail. "And it's our belief that we need to beef up and really improve the scanning capabilities there," Gates said.
"We're looking at building sort of the ultimate mail virus protection. We looked at what we're using internally at Microsoft, that was the Sybari product. We looked at what they'd done with the multiple engines, the different layers of scanning, and really specializing in infrastructure and drawing on others for the virus engines," he added.
Gates said Sybari's use of multiple virus scanning engines was a key feature that gives customers the best of all worlds. "You really want to take the best ideas of many people writing these scanning engines, and get those working on your behalf. You want to scan at the SMTP level as well as at the store level. Both of those are very important," he said.
Sybari has licensing deals to use virus engines offered by Norman ASA, Kaspersky Lab, Sophos Inc., Computer Associates International Inc., and VirusBusters Inc.
Barzdukas said Microsoft plans to retain those partnerships and add its own "GeCAD engine" to the mix, referring to technology the company acquired from GeCAD Software Srl., of Bucharest.
Sorry you had those problems, Guy. I've put it on 2500 systems here with little or no problems. Anything we can do to assist?
Any of those systems running XP Media OS?
Killed my hotmail account also! :mad:
Kyobanim
02-28-2005, 13:09
Nope and that's probably why yours is messed up. Pm coming your way
Got it, now I'm working on getting my media back up.
I'll call MS later today...It won't be a pleasant conversation.
The Reaper
02-28-2005, 14:47
Got it, now I'm working on getting my media back up.
I'll call MS later today...It won't be a pleasant conversation.
Why does that not surprise me?
TR
Sacamuelas
02-28-2005, 14:54
Guy-
Call Roguish lawyer and let him make a three way phone call to Microsoft with one of his phone recording devices on in the background. I would love to listen to a posted copy of the .wav file of that "conversation". haha
Why does that not surprise me?
TR
I had training files of everything, you name it!
All gone now...bastards! Now they want registration #'s of all the programs I purchased. I shouldv'e just boolegged those SOBs. :eek:
If you had seen the amount of Intel and training videos I had on this system...it would blow your mind.
I recorded every operation conducted by SF that was broadcasted by a TV show on this computer.
I'm not a happy camper at this moment.
Guy:
NTFS (and most likely FAT32 too), which is what Win XP use, data can be retrieved after deletion if the sectors on the harddrive is not overwritten again. In short, do not use the computer with that as a primary disk if you want to do this.
Get a second harddrive and install Win on it and get a data retriever program, such as Recover98 Express (I googled this, there are probably better. Can Partition Magic do this, Kyo/Dan?).
This is because the data is not deleted from a drive when you "delete" it, the inode pointing to the correct places is. Sort of like erasing the label on a drawer, and not putting on a new label till the you're filling that drawer again. Till then, you can pull out all the drawers and check the contents.
This, btw, doesn't work with some of the unices (Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, etc) file systems, because some of them work differently.
Regarding Linux, I don't have much to add. What you've all said is fine. Backup, repartition, try it out, like it or hate it and go with what you feel like.
Martin
Martin:
You must be crazy! I think it's easier to rebuild, than recreate. The more I try to find files...the more I get frustrated.
I just spoke with Best-Buy and they want me to bring in my computer.
There is NO way in hell...I'm going to un-wire this thing and drive across town. That means; I'll have to put all this stuff back together.
The wife gets home in three hours and dinner will be ready...LMAO!
I never had a problem until I started this, Win Up-Date stuff. I should have left well enough alone.
Roguish Lawyer
02-28-2005, 17:25
I believe that we are currently adverse to Microsoft in something. :D
Kyobanim
02-28-2005, 19:26
This would probably be one of those 'lessons learned' kinda things.
Rule number one, back up everything. If you have a CD burner, put your files on that. If you have big movies, spend the money for a DVD burner and put them on that. The only thing you should really have on your system is the operating system and the applications. Your important files should be on a disk. If you nee dto change them, copy to the drive and save them to a CD. CDs are cheap. A lot cheaper than the time it takes to find/recreate all those missing files.
I've got OS and apps on the primary drive, files in progress on secondary drive and everything else on DVDs or on my web server (which gets backed up every night). I've lost too many important files to not do this.
Martin, Add FAT 16 to your list of file formats that you can recover. What you said applies to all the formats that MS has been using. Partician magic won't recover files but like you said, there are hundreds of products out there that will if you follow the guidelines you laid out.
One thing that can help with the spyware problem but is a pain in the ass. Create an account on your computer just for browsing. set the permissions as User. This will stop most of the most malicious spyware apps, the ones that actually install themselves, on your PC. We've been testing this out at work since we're getting ready to go Active Directory and it's made life easier for us on the test network.
Just remember, if you can't live without it, it shouldn't be on your hard drive. At least get a memory key, or 2.
Thanks for the advice and offers. I learn more if I just tackle the problems "head on."
Make sure you keep the "Product Key" # somewhere. I'm in the process of trying to locate my XP Offfice key. :eek: Those "help-lines" they talk about...will drive you crazy!
Smokin Joe
03-02-2005, 11:04
Thanks for the advice and offers. I learn more if I just tackle the problems "head on."
Make sure you keep the "Product Key" # somewhere. I'm in the process of trying to locate my XP Offfice key. :eek: Those "help-lines" they talk about...will drive you crazy!
Just wait tell you get one that is out sourced.
"Heylo Joo, how ma I hup yoo?"
"Uh? oh ya, hey my shits broken help me fix it."
"Ohhkey whad is D probblbeb?"...........
For the most part they know there stuff but it sucks having them repeat it 10 times before you can understand EXACTLY what they are saying.
Good luck Guy.
The Reaper
03-02-2005, 11:07
Just wait tell you get one that is out sourced.
"Heylo Joo, how ma I hup yoo?"
"Uh? oh ya, hey my shits broken help me fix it."
"Ohhkey whad is D probblbeb?"...........
For the most part they know there stuff but it sucks having them repeat it 10 times before you can understand EXACTLY what they are saying.
Good luck Guy.
Got that with a Linksys router a few weeks ago.
I called Tech Support and could hardly understand what the heck she was saying. She finally told me that it was Microsoft's, my PC maker's, or the ISP's problem, but not hers.
Last of their products I ever buy.
TR
That's exactly what I got!
No wonder..."yellow" legal pads are still a big seller. :D
Kyobanim
03-02-2005, 13:08
Maybe I should open a tech support company.
At least I don't speak in 7-11iese
DunbarFC
03-02-2005, 15:01
My job is currently in the process of being outsourced to India
In fact I'm helping to train the folks that will then train the people there
Just know that even the folks they choose to send here speak English just as poorly as the folks that answer the phone
I've resorted to saying "send me an email" to everything they ask
Smokin Joe
03-02-2005, 17:17
Got that with a Linksys router a few weeks ago.
I called Tech Support and could hardly understand what the heck she was saying. She finally told me that it was Microsoft's, my PC maker's, or the ISP's problem, but not hers.
Last of their products I ever buy.
TR
I had that problem with my Linksys router too. So I turned it into a wireless switch instead. No more
"Ip con pig"
"Uh, say again please"
"Ipconpig, doo hab to conpigur yoor ip."
"Oh ipconfig, now I gotcha"
Its actually pretty easy to do drop me a PM if you want help.
zeroalpha
03-02-2005, 17:33
My job is currently in the process of being outsourced to India
In fact I'm helping to train the folks that will then train the people there
Just know that even the folks they choose to send here speak English just as poorly as the folks that answer the phone
I've resorted to saying "send me an email" to everything they ask
My work laptop died a few weeks ago so I phoned the helpdesk... didnt know atthe time but it was in India. (Local toll free number - ya just expect to speak to a local@!
I couldnt understand a frigging word that the guy said... so they put me on to a woman who was figging worse!
I ended up accidentally leaving it on the roof of the Land Rover.....
I now have a new laptop.
I have my photograph on my credit card and they still ask for ID. :confused:
The Reaper
03-02-2005, 18:25
I had that problem with my Linksys router too. So I turned it into a wireless switch instead. No more
"Ip con pig"
"Uh, say again please"
"Ipconpig, doo hab to conpigur yoor ip."
"Oh ipconfig, now I gotcha"
Its actually pretty easy to do drop me a PM if you want help.
Nope, already had a computer wiz board member square me away.
I wonder if these companies realize that the money they save in outsourcing is being lost in customer dissatisfaction.
TR
Kyobanim
03-02-2005, 18:50
Nope, already had a computer wiz board member square me away.
I wonder if these companies realize that the money they save in outsourcing is being lost in customer dissatisfaction.
TR
Some of them do. We have a contract with Dell for all our PC and server needs. They tried to pass us off to the India call center. That lasted until we invited them to a meeting with us and IBM for contract renewal negotiations.
DunbarFC
03-03-2005, 09:15
Nope, already had a computer wiz board member square me away.
I wonder if these companies realize that the money they save in outsourcing is being lost in customer dissatisfaction.
TR
I think you hit the nail squarely there sir
In my case my company is outsourcing development efforts, change and configuration management etc
The goal in the short term is to cut costs, but when wages rise in India and they start to demand health care, costs will rise again
Not to mention that when the system that prices out a good deal of the funds on Wall Street fails, they can't exactly get the people who they need to fix the issue because once the job is in India, who is really going to be doing the job ?
Ahh well back to the job searh
Roguish Lawyer
03-03-2005, 09:44
If I get one more call from an electronic voice telling me to hold for a "very important" bullshit sales call from Dell, I am going up north to join Guy's growing insurgency and go medieval on their ass. :mad:
If I get one more call from an electronic voice telling me to hold for a "very important" bullshit sales call from Dell, I am going up north to join Guy's growing insurgency and go medieval on their ass. :mad:
Imagine walking into a place and some SOB calls you "Mr Turner." :eek: :(
The funniest thing about those help-lines....I can "cuss" up a storm and they will have NO idea what I'm saying.
"I wanna talk to Bill Gates"
"Who's this mister gates"?
"The SOB that developed Windows OS"
"he not here now"
LMMFAO!
Bill Harsey
03-03-2005, 10:30
Imagine walking into a place and some SOB calls you "Mr Turner." :eek: :(
The funniest thing about those help-lines....I can "cuss" up a storm and they will have NO idea what I'm saying.
"I wanna talk to Bill Gates"
"Who's this mister gates"?
"The SOB that developed Windows OS"
"he not here now"
LMMFAO!
Guy, Next time try ordering some Vindaloo to go with Kingfisher beer.
Guy, Next time try ordering some Vindaloo to go with Kingfisher beer.
Am I supposed to google this? I have no clue on what you are talking about. :o
I quit reading those menu's a few months back...too damn complicated! :eek:
Fine wine is way out of my league. I can barely pronounce some of them...lmao
Guy, Next time try ordering some Vindaloo to go with Kingfisher beer.
or you can do what I do and order the same thing every time, greatly simplifies things.
Bill Harsey
03-03-2005, 13:23
Am I supposed to google this? I have no clue on what you are talking about. :o
I quit reading those menu's a few months back...too damn complicated! :eek:
Fine wine is way out of my league. I can barely pronounce some of them...lmao
Guy, Vindaloo refers to hot (spicy) Indian food. The beer is GOOD Indian beer.
Guy, Vindaloo refers to hot (spicy) Indian food. The beer is GOOD Indian beer.
Mr. Harsey,
Q: what is the disease that is caused by lack of spicy food?
A: HUNGER!
now back to your regularly sponsered outsourcing
Bill Harsey
03-03-2005, 19:37
Mr. Harsey,
Q: what is the disease that is caused by lack of spicy food?
A: HUNGER!
now back to your regularly sponsered outsourcing
You UNDERSTAND!