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This thread is all personal opinion.
What have been your favorite boots since you've been in the military.
I started thinking about this, because my favorite's have been my Raichle's, which are on their last leg. I know I should throw them away, but I just can't seem to do it. I figure they have at least one more good deployment in them. (I've been saying that for a few deployments now)
Max_Tab,
Just curious, what is the specific Raichle boot model you refer to?
Thanks in advance.
TRUST
Honestly I couldn't tell you, I got them years ago, and right now they are so worn out that I can't make out any of the writing on them. It's the one that 10th group issues, if anyone out there happens to know.
I think they are Yatna IIs. There's no model markings on mine.
Psywar1-0
02-14-2004, 05:56
Being SOTB most of the time I have to go with a good broken in pair of Green jungles with waffle soles.
NousDefionsDoc
02-14-2004, 08:22
I'll tell you guys what. I wouldn't wear them in the jungle, but these Oakley boots are the business for concrete. I've never had a more comfortable pair of boots for in town.
Regular old broken in jungle boots in warm weather and a pair of Chippewa’s in the cold. Nothing fancy, but, more importantly keep the socks dry (hopeless cause at times) and the feet powdered.
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'll tell you guys what. I wouldn't wear them in the jungle, but these Oakley boots are the business for concrete. I've never had a more comfortable pair of boots for in town.
I've heard nothing but good things about those boots, thinking about getting me some.
Max_Tab and Razor,
Thanks for the info and replies.
I'm having a look around raichle.com.
TRUST
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 14:46
Originally posted by eyes
I just ordered two pairs...
So they're no good in the woods but good on the street... What about the sandbox?
What you have to remember is what they are made for. They are urban assault boots. If you wear them in rocks and cactus etc., they probably won't hold up very well. If you're in the streets of Bagdad, they would probably be the heat. Oakley is supposed to be coming out with tan if they haven't already. The boots are like tennis shoes or the old Adidas, but better.
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 15:17
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
What you have to remember is what they are made for. They are urban assault boots. If you wear them in rocks and cactus etc., they probably won't hold up very well. If you're in the streets of Bagdad, they would probably be the heat. Oakley is supposed to be coming out with tan if they haven't already. The boots are like tennis shoes or the old Adidas, but better.
NDD,
I love my Adidas GSG-9's would you mind expanding on why you find the Oakleys better than the Adidas?
Thanks
Joe
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 15:25
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
NDD,
I love my Adidas GSG-9's would you mind expanding on why you find the Oakleys better than the Adidas?
Thanks
Joe
Better construction I think. On my Adidas, all the leather peeled off the uppers - while they were in the closet . Also, the Oakleys have a better design for me. More padding, not as tight.
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 18:16
Did you ever have a problem with your Adidas causing blisters on the top of your foot where your ankle meets your leg...right were your ankle flexs?
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 18:19
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Did you ever have a problem with your Adidas causing blisters on the top of your foot where your ankle meets your leg...right were your ankle flexs?
Not that I can remember, but I can see how it could happen. I still use mine for PT, but what I do is skip the lace holes in that area you're talking about.
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 19:26
Roger that. I have tried that but it didn't help so I just left them a little loose in that area. Thanks for the feed back. Have you or do you experience the same problem with the Oakleys?
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 19:30
Not at all with the Oakleys
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 19:34
Damn it now I'm gonna have to buy a pair.
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 19:36
They cost less than the GSG 9s too.
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 19:42
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
They cost less than the GSG 9s too.
Now your just rubbing it in...LOL :D
Are they sized the same as the GSG 9s?
NousDefionsDoc
02-23-2004, 19:50
Seem too. I wear a 12 in both.
Does anyone have a pair of Wellco jungle boots? I've heard good things but don't have any personal experience and I'd like to hear from someone who has/had them.
Thanks.
Smokin Joe
02-23-2004, 21:23
Originally posted by Gonzo
Does anyone have a pair of Wellco jungle boots? I've heard good things but don't have any personal experience and I'd like to hear from someone who has/had them.
Thanks.
I have a pair, almost new in the box. They are more comfortable then standard jungle boots but I have not but them through the ringer like others around here.
The Reaper
02-23-2004, 21:38
Originally posted by Gonzo
Does anyone have a pair of Wellco jungle boots? I've heard good things but don't have any personal experience and I'd like to hear from someone who has/had them.
Thanks.
They are the same as the issue boot, in some versions.
Got a pair, like them fine, decent summer weight boot.
Mine tend to blister my heel if I step out too fast. Probably need better orthotics.
TR
They are the same as the issue boot, in some versions. Got a pair, like them fine, decent summer weight boot.
Mine tend to blister my heel if I step out too fast. Probably need better orthotics.
TR
I have a pair, almost new in the box. They are more comfortable then standard jungle boots but I have not but them through the ringer like others around here.
Gentlemen, thanks for the replies.
Surgicalcric
02-24-2004, 07:17
I have 2 pair of Wellco Jungles; one with ripple soles and the other has the tough Tuffcushion sole. Both are very comfortable with the exception of needing to have the heel caps removed.
I also have a pair of the new Wellco ICB's. Comfortable boot as well.
HTH
BadMuther
02-24-2004, 16:19
I always loved my hi-tecs, when I was allowed to wear them.
Great boots. They do kinda take awhile to dry out if you are going to be in a wet environment.
I wore Rocky 911's for years as a cop, and hiking. Similiar to the hi-tecs, but lighter and more comfortable.
Other then that? Green (only) jungles or Danner's when it was really cold.
I have some New in the box "Special Forces Mountain Boots" if anyone remembers those.
BadMuther
02-24-2004, 18:01
Razor,
I think they are Chippewas....they were advertised in the old Brigade Quartermaster catalog as "SF Mountain boots"....They were short, big ass heavy boots...I can dig them out and post a pic if ya want.
BadMuther
02-25-2004, 11:56
Razor,
I went and looked for the boots last night.....couldn't find them. Must have got misplaced in the last move.
All black leather, big old sole, short upper, came with thin and thick felt insoles.....does that match the description for chippewas?
Did they have a notched heel and squared-off toe for use with ski bindings?
BadMuther
02-25-2004, 14:16
Yes they did...I'm pissed that I can't find them...Hopefully I will find them today.
Ever wear those boots? They seemed way too heavy to do any rucking in.
I used a pair of boots from North Face...they worked pretty good.
I just ordered these...http://www.bootbay.com/shop/images/merrell_50743.jpg
I broke my ankle twice and twisted it again overseas, so I went for the ankle support!
Originally posted by Guy
I used a pair of boots from North Face...they worked pretty good.
I just ordered these...http://www.bootbay.com/shop/images/merrell_50743.jpg
I broke my ankle twice and twisted it again overseas, so I went for the ankle support!
Guy
This is just a reminder, please do not advertise poodle clippers in this forum even if it's the gear forum.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Doc
Guy
This is just a reminder, please do not advertise poodle clippers in this forum even if it's the gear forum.
Thanks.
TR:
Wasn't suppose to tell any one...lol
Originally posted by woobie master
Yes they did...I'm pissed that I can't find them...Hopefully I will find them today.
Ever wear those boots? They seemed way too heavy to do any rucking in.
The Chips were heavier then most boots and very stiff, but they were great in cold weather and on rocks. Kept the ankle well protected!
BadMuther
02-28-2004, 11:39
Thanks for the input. Like I said, I never took them out of the box. Seemed pretty heavy, and I preferred my Matterhorns (until I got issued Danners!) for the cold stuff.
What's the ankle and arch support on the Oakleys like? Are they narrow or wide?
Thanks,
Solid
militarymoron
03-07-2004, 10:37
Originally posted by eyes
I looked at a pair of those. I was confused as to why they only sold the men’s in gray and the woman’s in tan... That makes no marketing sense what-so-ever... There NICE though.
the men's are available in both gray and tan - i have a tan pair. my review and pics here (username and password are both 'mm' to view full size pics):
http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/equipment.3.html#saw
cheers,
MM
militarymoron
03-09-2004, 00:09
Originally posted by eyes
You're right, I'm wearing some right now... :D
I bought them yesterday.
Thanks.
do let us know how you like them - i always like to hear 2nd opinions from others that may put them through different uses than i.
cheers,
MM
The Reaper
03-09-2004, 06:47
Originally posted by militarymoron
do let us know how you like them - i always like to hear 2nd opinions from others that may put them through different uses than i.
cheers,
MM
MM:
I know that you don't like the term "gear whore", but that term is more appropriate to others than you.
It occurs to me that you have moved into an entirely different realm, and I see you more as a "gear pimp" now. :D
Now where is the TS with the report on those gloves?
TR
militarymoron
03-09-2004, 10:20
Originally posted by The Reaper
MM:
I know that you don't like the term "gear whore", but that term is more appropriate to others than you.
It occurs to me that you have moved into an entirely different realm, and I see you more as a "gear pimp" now. :D
Now where is the TS with the report on those gloves?
TR
just spreadin' the word, brother.
hey, if i'm pimpin', aren't i supposed to get a cut of the sale? i must be pimpin' all wrong.
cheers,
MM
pbr549xxx
03-09-2004, 17:42
Id rather be called a gear whore than a gear queer LOL.
Roguish Lawyer
04-06-2004, 11:26
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'll tell you guys what. I wouldn't wear them in the jungle, but these Oakley boots are the business for concrete. I've never had a more comfortable pair of boots for in town.
Just picked up a pair, although the little "special forces" tag makes me feel like a poser. They are incredibly comfortable.
Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Just picked up a pair, although the little "special forces" tag makes me feel like a poser. They are incredibly comfortable.
You own a razor blade or sharp knife? ;)
The Reaper
04-11-2004, 20:06
Originally posted by Razor
You own a razor blade or sharp knife?
He is a lawyer.
He is the one they put the warning labels on for.
Perhaps a pair of the blunted kindergarden scissors might work.:D
TR
I got my Oakleys on thursday, I really like them. I got the Tan ones that do not have the "Poser Tags" on them, and thus far, they are very comfortable, only downside (beside price) is complete lack of traction on wet surfaces. (I did some Ice Capades type stuff while I was mopping the floor at work the other day)
vampire03
05-16-2004, 13:46
Can the plastic piece in the toe portion of the old green jungles be removed? If so does anyone have the address /phone# too the cobbler shop in F'ville that can do it. I've finally wore through the protective layer covering it and it's tearing the tops of my toe knuckles up.
The Reaper
05-16-2004, 14:12
Originally posted by vampire03
Can the plastic piece in the toe portion of the old green jungles be removed? If so does anyone have the address /phone# too the cobbler shop in F'ville that can do it. I've finally wore through the protective layer covering it and it's tearing the tops of my toe knuckles up.
Hey, vampire03, do a search, that has been covered here before.
TR
vampire03
05-16-2004, 14:59
Found it, I knew it had been mentioned and thought that what I read in this thread was all that was available on it. So, sorry for the jacked up ?. BTW, awesome vid's T.R..
odoylerules
10-09-2004, 13:34
Hate to bring up a thread this old, but it seemed more appropriate than starting one of my own.
Having read a lot of threads about boots here, there are a few recurring patterns that make me curious.
First off, green jungle boots are preferred over black jungle boots. Why? Is there a significant difference between them to merit this? (According to the Wellco website, the only difference seems to be green jungles are made of a different material and have only eyelets for laces, instead of speed lacing.)
On that subject, do you prefer speed lacing or all eyelets? Can 550 cord be used in either, or only in the all eyelet set up?
Finally, everyone seems to be glad that the old all leather boots are gone. But then, a lot of people say that jungle boots are their favorite boots. Jungles seem pretty similar to all leathers. Does this mean that ICBs are way better than jungle boots too?
Thanks,
Doyle
EDIT TO ADD: The Vibram Sierra sole on Belleville and Altama ICBs seems very similar to the Tuff Kushion design of Wellco. Are they the same?
The Reaper
10-09-2004, 13:52
Hate to bring up a thread this old, but it seemed more appropriate than starting one of my own.
Having read a lot of threads about boots here, there are a few recurring patterns that make me curious.
First off, green jungle boots are preferred over black jungle boots. Why? Is there a significant difference between them to merit this? (According to the Wellco website, the only difference seems to be green jungles are made of a different material and have only eyelets for laces, instead of speed lacing.)
On that subject, do you prefer speed lacing or all eyelets? Can 550 cord be used in either, or only in the all eyelet set up?
Finally, everyone seems to be glad that the old all leather boots are gone. But then, a lot of people say that jungle boots are their favorite boots. Jungles seem pretty similar to all leathers. Does this mean that ICBs are way better than jungle boots too?
Thanks,
Doyle
EDIT TO ADD: The Vibram Sierra sole on Belleville and Altama ICBs seems very similar to the Tuff Kushion design of Wellco. Are they the same?
I usually wear the Wellcos.
They have a tremendous variety of confiigurations, and I am pretty particular.
I liked the old original US GI jungle boots except for the following.
No speed laces, some "bite" on the top of the foot, piss poor insoles, and zero cushioning in the soles. The next version (the newer black one) addressed the speedlace and biting issues, but had nylon uppers (hotter and prone to melt, rather than cotton) and a big collar around the top. The soles/insoles still sucked.
The ICB is a great cool weather boot, but in the summer, your feet will sweat a quart in them.
For the summer, I wear a Wellco Tuffcushion jungle boot, black cotton uppers, speed laces, no collar. It is great and very comfortable for short distances. If I were rucking a lot as a field boot, I might have the toe/heel boxes removed and the metal shank.
For the winter, I wear the Belleville version of the ICB, but will switch to the Wellco ICB if/when I ever wear them out.
The most comfortable boot I own is the Wellco Desert boot. Outstanding warm/hot weather boot, but not authorized with BDUs.
All of my boots (except my Jump Boots) have black 550 cord laces.
The Ingenius socks are the heat and will make up for many boot deficiencies.
Good insoles like the Superfooot can help, but I cannot bring myself to part with $30 for insoles when my first pair of jungle boots were $12.
I believe that the Tuffcushion soles are proprietary to Wellco.
Good luck.
TR
odoylerules
10-09-2004, 14:27
Thanks, sir.
Are these the ones? http://wellco.com/html/bhwctv.html
If so, what's the leather cap on the tongue like? Does it cover the whole thing, the way the leather covers the Gore-Tex on ICBs or is it just hanging a little bit off the top and the rest is like a normal jungle boots tongue (ie, canvas only, uncovered by leather)?
The Reaper
10-09-2004, 14:43
Thanks, sir.
Are these the ones? http://wellco.com/html/bhwctv.html
If so, what's the leather cap on the tongue like? Does it cover the whole thing, the way the leather covers the Gore-Tex on ICBs or is it just hanging a little bit off the top and the rest is like a normal jungle boots tongue (ie, canvas only, uncovered by leather)?
Yes, those are the ones. The tongue is canvas up to the top of it, where there is a piece of leather to keep the laces and knots from dinging the shin so badly.
Here is what a well-worn one looks like (My God, I am reduced to shooting pics of my boots. The horror....)
TR
odoylerules
10-09-2004, 14:52
Here is what a well-worn one looks like (My God, I am reduced to shooting pics of my boots. The horror....)
Am I supposed to apologize or thank you now??? Take your pick, sir.
I just bought a a pair of Hanwag Special Forces GTX boots and im happy with them. i was wondering what yalls favorite brand was?
Roguish Lawyer
03-17-2005, 16:35
Scrappy:
Please use the search button before starting new threads. Thank you.
Since you added your opinion, I will merge this with another thread you could have found. There several other boot threads you may find of interest.
RL
The Reaper
03-17-2005, 16:38
Hey, Scrappy.
Before you (as a guest) decide to pump up your post count here with your comments and questions, you might take the time to read some stickies and familiarize yourself with the little button in the upper right corner of your screen that has the word "Search" on it.
Save yourself some trauma and do some lurking and reading for a little while, and search before you post a question. Chances are someone has already asked it.
Repeatedly.
Situational Awareness.
TR
Roguish Lawyer
03-17-2005, 16:40
You also need to fill out your profile before you post again.
The Ingenius socks are the heat and will make up for many boot deficiencies.
TR
http://www.wigwam.com/flashIndex.html
Sir,
Which particular sock do you recommend by Ingenius?
ccrn
Jack Moroney (RIP)
03-18-2005, 06:34
Boots, you guys had boots. Next you are going to tell me that you had plastic canteens and a light weight, collapsible entrenching tool.
Actually the best boots for me in the warm months were the old green jungle boots as long as you pulled out the inner sole desiged to give you blisters but intended to protect you from punji stakes.
Had several pairs of Chippewas which were fine as long as they were dry and the weather stayed above freezing, other wise they were too stiff but the felt insoles were good for using as a coaster to put down your metal canteen cup on the ice so it didn't freeze right away.
Best overall boots were my German Mountain Boots for all around temperate zone stuff.
GSG-9 boots were the most comfortable and most versital for all the urban stuff.
The most comfortable were a pair of German Bergsteig's which I wore while in mufti situations.
Also have a couple of pairs of experimental boots that the Army did not want to adopt because they were too practical, too expensive, wore well, were extremely comfortable, warm, waterproof, light weight, durable in all types of terrain and just too damn good for the troops. After 20 years they have stood up to everything and are indestructable. Wear them all the time now.
Jack Moroney-kept my boots laced tight so they didn't come lose when extracting them from someone's 4th POC :D
The Reaper
03-18-2005, 08:58
http://www.wigwam.com/flashIndex.html
Sir,
Which particular sock do you recommend by Ingenius?
ccrn
What do you wish to wear them in?
TR
CommoGeek
03-18-2005, 09:30
Concur on the Wellcos but one note: I have 2 pair, one black ICB and one desert ICB. The desert are a newer style (they have "Wellco" stamped on the side by the heel) but both are the same size. The newer style seems to be dead on in width but a bit long. For example I would recommend ordering 10W in the desert instead of my normal 10 1/2 wide. The arch doesn't quite fit my foot like the black ICB's.
So, I'm not sure if the slight size difference is due to the desert ICB's or the newer style.
As TR stated they are a bit warm, but very comfotable. I wore some orthotics in old jungle boots and I have no such problems with my Wellcos. Remove from the box, lace, walk. Repeat as needed.
CommoGeek
03-18-2005, 09:32
ccrn,
Heavyweight in the winter, mediumweight for summer use, and lightweight for around the FOB works for me. TR's mileage will probably vary owing to our "slightly" different backgrounds. ;)
What do you wish to wear them in?
TR
Sir,
Right now I have the Belleville ICBs that were issued to me. Then in the summer I will switch to a warm weather boot, possibly the Welco that you wear.
I just recieved the Belleville ICB and the info that comes with them states to not poilsh them. That will take some getting used to-
CG,
Light, medium, or heavy in which style? The site has atheletic, outdoor, snow etc (www.wigwam.com).
Ive been using the Thorlo medium hiking boot sock as recommended by James, as well as the green superfoot (in old boots, not ICB). They work very well but I tend to sweat in them quite a bit.
I dont know if I'll use the superfeet in my new ICBs. So far they have been as good or better than any civilian boot Ive owned-
Thanks
ccrn
CommoGeek
03-19-2005, 00:27
ccrn,
The Ingenious Hiker, Boot, and Everyday socks. I use the Everyday around the FOB, the others for colder weather. My feet do get hot in them though. I haven't done any rucking so I don't know if the Everyday are too thin for rucking but they are noticably cooler in the summer.
The Reaper
03-19-2005, 08:46
Sir,
Right now I have the Belleville ICBs that were issued to me. Then in the summer I will switch to a warm weather boot, possibly the Welco that you wear.
I just recieved the Belleville ICB and the info that comes with them states to not poilsh them. That will take some getting used to-
CG,
Light, medium, or heavy in which style? The site has atheletic, outdoor, snow etc (www.wigwam.com).
Ive been using the Thorlo medium hiking boot sock as recommended by James, as well as the green superfoot (in old boots, not ICB). They work very well but I tend to sweat in them quite a bit.
I dont know if I'll use the superfeet in my new ICBs. So far they have been as good or better than any civilian boot Ive owned-
Thanks
ccrn
Well, since IIRC, in ICB, the B stands for boots, the Ingenius Boot Sock is probably the right choice.
TR
We wear allot of "Hi-Tecs" up here and they seem to hold up well in the snow and rain. Did a week long class with TTOS in Columbus a few years back and they held up real well with the exception of the toe portions turning green. In the winter we just put on Seal Skins and that helps out allot.
The Reaper
03-19-2005, 15:40
We wear allot of "Hi-Tecs" up here and they seem to hold up well in the snow and rain. Did a week long class with TTOS in Columbus a few years back and they held up real well with the exception of the toe portions turning green. In the winter we just put on Seal Skins and that helps out allot.
In our experience, the Hi-Tec is a poorly-made, high-topped tennis shoe that will fall apart quickly under hard use in the field.
Good boot for a garrison soldier or a finance clerk at the COSCOM though.
TR
Good enough for us LEO's. :D
No, really you are right TR, they also came unglued that Friday of the course. I assume the "greening" was due to the poor coloring of the leather too.
I've tried Ridge and Thorogood's and found them to be also lacking in quality control. GSG9's sound good but the price is out of my range, even with a uniform allowance. Anybody tried any Rocky's and had a positive experience?
The Reaper
03-19-2005, 18:55
No, really you are right TR, they also came unglued that Friday of the course. I assume the "greening" was due to the poor coloring of the leather too.
I've tried Ridge and Thorogood's and found them to be also lacking in quality control. GSG9's sound good but the price is out of my range, even with a uniform allowance. Anybody tried any Rocky's and had a positive experience?
I used Rocky's over Danners because the toe box of the Danners was too narrow, even in the wider widths.
First time I had to go back to Rocky for customer service, it sucked, same story second time, so I dropped them.
Right now, I have Bellevilles and Wellcos, and am pretty happy.
Just bought a set of the new Desert ICB boots (Gore-Tex lined) at the local Combat Footgear store on Reilly Rd., they were overruns and cost me $70 for a pair and are perfect.
Are you looking for indoor boots, field boots, assault boots, what?
TR
TR,
I am hoping to find the "perfect" duty boot for "all-seasons" but I don't believe that is realistic. I would like to have one that would be lightweight, like the Hi-Tec, and have Gore-tex or the European version, whatever they call it. Also, I need a sole that won't clog everytime I cross a stream, mud, and/or snow.
Think this will work?
Wellco's black Jungle Boot. Different socks like the Seal Skins could keep me going from early spring to late fall, then when the snow flies grab a pair of Danners(Ft Lewis, etc., etc.)(?). I could wear regular cotton socks in the summer.
Also, is it my imagination that when Gore-Tex gets muddy/dirty it starts to loose some of it's water resistant. It seems like I lost some of it, if not most of it, with the Hi Tecs when in school.
The Reaper
03-19-2005, 20:43
TR,
I am hoping to find the "perfect" duty boot for "all-seasons" but I don't believe that is realistic. I would like to have one that would be lightweight, like the Hi-Tec, and have Gore-tex or the European version, whatever they call it. Also, I need a sole that won't clog everytime I cross a stream, mud, and/or snow.
Think this will work?
Wellco's black Jungle Boot. Different socks like the Seal Skins could keep me going from early spring to late fall, then when the snow flies grab a pair of Danners(Ft Lewis, etc., etc.)(?). I could wear regular cotton socks in the summer.
Also, is it my imagination that when Gore-Tex gets muddy/dirty it starts to loose some of it's water resistant. It seems like I lost some of it, if not most of it, with the Hi Tecs when in school.
For warm weather, I like the Wellco jungle boot, possibly with the TuffCushion sole. I also use the Ingenius boot socks.
For a winter boot, I like the new ICB, also with the Ingenius socks.
I was unaware that the Hi-Tecs had any Gore-Tex. I occasionally scrub the fabric part of my boots with soap and water.
The thing to remember is that if it is raining and the water is running down your legs or you step into water over the top of your boot, it is basically a bag of water around your foot. Dump them ASAP and invert them while you don dry socks.
Good luck.
TR
Leozinho
03-19-2005, 21:07
I've been enjoying my Bates 924's. (I did a search and now they appear to be called Bates Durashocks 8" Tropical). This boot is/was issued to some Navy folks.
Much softer and cushier than Wellco Tuffkushions, and they needed practically no break-in time. I wish the tread was more aggressive, though.
Of course, these aren't normally authorized at SWC. But the first pre-SFAS 18x-ray to PM me gets my proven method guaranteed to let you be allowed to wear these high-speed/low-drag boots. ;)
TR,
Ya, it is the European brand of Gore-Tex. I think it is called Sympatex or something to that and only offered in their "waterproof" line of boots.
You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to water over the boot, especially boots with Gore-tex and similar materials. No drain holes there. This discussion just reminded me of the old days when we use to put plastic bags over our feet before putting our buckle up boots on in the winter. :)
I remember David (TTOS) was wearing a pair of Courtney boots. I guess he had a few pairs leftover from his Selous Scout days.
www.westleyrichards.com/show/courteney_product_selous.html
oorah4jc
10-27-2005, 11:52
anyone have any experience with the converse boots?
Been Using Meindl performance here, good boot imo.
Been using a pair for fairly heavy use for close to a year now, still holding up like a charm, good fit, and very good ankle support to top it off.
Only downside ive come across so far has been them holding on to a little sweat, seems like they arent ventilating too well, but then again, I've been using them in summertimes aswell(its really a winter boot), so that adds up too - of course could just be me having extraordinarily sweaty feet :cool: - maybe for some, the weight could be a bit of an issue aswell.
First boot i had where i didnt have any second thoughts with crossing a small stream og stepping in water, havent had wet feet due to an outside source yet, despite of heavy rain, stream crossings and so on.... mind you, not counting over the top depths, gaitors helped with that though :)
CombatWombat
10-27-2005, 15:32
Believe it or not, I like the issued Bellevilles. Suck once they get wet and they're heavy but they have survived thus far without having any problems.
Just got a pair of the Bates M-9 desert Assault boots (Found these at Diamond Backs web page) With the Vibram sole. Very comfortable. Been wearing them for two months and have had no problems. At $92.00 that’s a good price considering the over priced boots out there today. Didn't think I would ever see people paying over $250.00 for a pair of boots because of a certain Sunglass symbol on the side of them. Oakley Boots are good but there are others just as good for far less money. I was lucky to get my Oakley Boots issued while still in the army. North Face also makes some good quality boots when it comes to being water resistant but also pricy.
SERPENT5XX
11-04-2005, 09:02
Gentlemen,
My experience with Oakley Boots was a bit disappointing.
I bought a pair for my second Iraq rotation. I found them very hot and extremely slippery on the wet marble floors that are so prevalent in the Iraqi palaces, homes ect. Also the squeaky noise they make when walking on dry marble was a problem. The collar of the boot began to wear through from the boot tongue rubbing on it from walking. By the time I left 7 months later they were pretty well shot. I do not know if I just have weird feet or what but I was really disappointed. The cool-guy factor is high but I was not impressed with performance at all. These boots now sit in my basement and I use them for mowing the grass until I can find someone who wants a pair of free, fairly worn-out grass stained size 14 Oakley desert boots.
I also had a pair of Thorogood SEB boots that I wore on an every other day rotation with the Oakleys. I found the boots comfortable and durable. Much better traction under the above conditions and much cooler. I still wear the boots now. In fact I bought another pair. They are an unusual OD color but once they have a coat of dust on them they will pass a casual SGM uniform inspection.
My first Iraq rotation I wore Raichle and LOWA boots during the initial invasion as it was somewhat cool at that point. Once it started to heat up these boots were a bit hot. I then changed to an issue desert boot that had been modified by Bootmasters and they worked well. Bottom line, come August in Iraq- all boots are HOT! Change your socks often.
If someone has experince with a better and cooler summer boot for Iraq please let me know!
I would have to say my new favorite desert boot is now the Thorogood SEB boots. For cooler weather I love the Raichle and LOWA boots. If you want a great non-military looking boot, the Montrail Torre GTX are top notch. They take a little longer to break in than I thought they would but once they are broken in they are super comfortable. I have three pairs that I use for different purposes based on how much wear they have on them (My wife claims they do not qualify as dress shoes but I disagree).
Thanks,
SERPENT5XX
I've been using the same pair of Danner (RECON 8") boots since I bought them in '97. VERY STURDY! They've seen miles in the desert and under triple canopy. Some people say they're a bit heavy, but I've never found that to be an issue. I tell those lazy bastards to just pick up their feet when they hump and suck it up!
The Reaper
11-04-2005, 21:25
Spook:
You need to look around and introduce yourself in the proper place before you post here.
Your creds don't seem to reflect any military service to base your opinion on either.
TR
TR,
I posted my intro in the appropriate place after reading your post. My appologies.
As for my credentials and what I base my opinion on, only the following: served in the Marines, deployed to SW ASIA and ASIA. Being a grunt with the 7th Regiment (our motto, "Prepare to March") enabled me to speak my opinion concerning boots on the ground in a factual matter based on countless ruck runs, humps and everyday use of the same pair for the duration of my years in service to the US. I based my opinion of the matter at hand on my personal experience as do we all...through realtime experiences...sometimmes painful yet always memorable and necesary.
I'm only sorry that I posted here before giving a proper introduction. I hope all members of the forum can overlook my mistake. I look forward to giving my opinion and hearig that of others in this community. Thanks.
Best 'work' boots...
I've been out for a long time so my observations are extremely dated...
I still have a pair of early Hi-Tec's that seemed to last forever (though the second set of soles on them are nearly gone now, and I don't know a magic cobbler up here, like I did back home. They were so good that after my second pair of Hi-Tecs fell apart on me, I actually gave them another chance and bought a third pair that fell apart. That was enough for me. I really wish the 'new' ones had the same quality standards as the original ones.
Rockys are nice, and fit my 13EEE's pretty good, would probably my choice for reliable, nearly trouble free footwear in the field these days, unless Rocky pulls a Hi-Tec on me... Danners not so good, people with more 'normal' feet may have a different experience with them.
Corcorans? Even the "wide" ones are a bit too narrow for me.
The contest for "Best all around boots I ever had" is a bit of a tie between a pair of Redwing 10" Loggers that I had re-dyed black, confortable, sturdy and rucked many a mile in them.... and a pair of good old "Panama sole" USGI Green Jungles that I picked up at Ranger Joes. My jungles went through "Team Spirit", Mountaineering and Rappelling school, ROK Ranger school, many 'monthly' 25-milers, numerous patrols, a flood relief effort, and quite a few PT sessions. Never had a problem. But I don't think Redwing has appropriate tan suede rough side out boots, and I suppose that my favorite jungle's wear would be somewhat restricted these days.
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Just for fun...
I also had a few pairs of boots hand made when I was in Korea, they all fit perfectly since they traced my overgrown feet to pattern them. I had extra tall jump boots made in leather and patent, as well as a couple of pairs of jungle boots (one pair black one green) made extra tall (10") with flaired padded tops to keep them from cutting into my calves (a common annoyance for me).
I'll also admit that I got a wild hair seeing the endless possibilities offered in Korea and had made what are probably the weirdest two pairs of boots ever, two pairs of patent leather jungles, one otherwise the same as standard USGI and the other with padded "collar" and capped toes.
None of the 'kimchee' boots lasted longer than a year, except the extra tall patent leather jump boots and the 'regular' patent leather jungles, which I actually wore quite a bit (but only in garrison).
Anyone remember the old Herman Survivors?
Anyone remember the old Herman Survivors?
Yes, alternated between them, Chips and German Airborne boots.
Surgicalcric
12-27-2005, 22:17
Got a pair of the Bates M-6 Desert boots a week before Christmas and these things are quite nice. They squeak a bit at first but that quickly went away. They are comfortable and fairly warm. I may buy a pair of the M-('s for waer with BDU/ACUs in the future...
I am looking to get a pair of the Lowa Mountain GTX or the Raichle Yatna IIs (if I can find them around here) in the future to try them out...
The Wellco ICB's are still holding true and havent drawn any undue attention to me here at Student company. Have seen quite a few students wearing the Oakleys here.
Crip
Matterhorn 3000 8" Waterproof Combat Boot, Olive Mojave (Featured Item)
Description: Top Quality Olive Fleshout Leather * 2x2 Denier Cordura Nylon Performance Fabric * Cambrelle Breathable Moisture Wicking Lining * GORE-TEX Breathable Membrane System * Speed Lacing System * Non-Metal Shank * Exclusive Removable DRYZ Ran-Air Cushioned Insert * VIBRAM Sierra Traction Outsole
Dam comfortable boot if you asked me, I deployed, rucked, and they got me through alot, the sole is very cushioning and keeps your feet dry, but everyone has different feet but if your trying to stay within army standard for a better desert boot these are what i suggest, usually around 180$
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Whatever
02-15-2006, 01:51
I wear Raichle Yatna II (GTX) boots when I can get away with it but end up wearing Belleville boots most of the time.
For trekking and non technical climbing Raichle's are the way to go.
For winter warfare (WET) I use Lowa Civettas and use to use Koflach Viva Softs, both plastic shell boots
Got a pair of the Bates M-6 Desert boots a week before Christmas and these things are quite nice
Some of the guys Im with over here are wearing these now and are happy with them. The only complaint is the plastic around the area over the achilles tendon and top of the upper get torn up in our vehicles. It would be nice if there was leather there instead.
We have an Lt who has been wearing Oaklys for eight months now that are holding up very well.
BTW, are your ICBs black or desert?
ccrn
A number of years ago, because of the business I owned I got in to custom boot fitting and custom insoles. I was amazed at how much I did not know and that booting fitting was almost a nonexistent in being done and knowledge. I would say most the problems with boots is Fit (assuming the boot is of quality construction). There is very little information on buying a boot based on fit. While maybe 80% of the people can get buy, the other 20% have issues that range from a easy fix to some major work.
Also I think the industry tries to make really good boots but feet can be very unique as to fit. Even the difference between our left and right foot can cause problems.
Example during the normal stride the foot can change length by more than 2 sizes. The most extreme I saw was 2 1/2 sizes for the left foot and 3 1/2 sizes for the right foot. Some feet can be very uniform with a change less than 1/2 size.
The critical length of the foot is the arch length, Overall length is not critical except for the room for "longer than average" toes.
A sign of a poor fitting boot is blisters, corns, Calluses/hard spots on the foot, toes being over lapped, and a flat heel bottom.
For most people the fix can be very inexpensive, such as buying the boot that best fits their foot, to maybe getting a generic sized insole. For a few it may mean a custom insole and some boot alteration.
BTW I am not in the industry anymore and have nothing to gain. But If you would Like more information, let me know. I can try to write more, or find a good reference on this topic.
I took a look at the Bates M-6 and M-9 desert boots online, look good. I'm having problems finding them in the DC area for some hands on inspection.
I'm wearing Merrell boots right now and have since my last trip(s) to the sandbox. Not bad for what I do, but I wouldn't recommend them to door kickers. Not too much in the arena of ankle support. They don't really slow you down if you have to run from getting shot :D .
HOLLiS: great info, additionally, I buy shoes and boots at the very end of the day, especially days when I'm on my feet. Give's them time to expand. :D
Warrior Mentor hit this in "Get Selected", gave good info for buying running shoes.
I made the mistake of buying running shoes 30 min after getting out of bed (Barracks on Schofield are close to the PX) and suffered on my first run with them. FWIW
Shark Bait
02-16-2006, 10:22
I have a pair of the Bates M-9s and love 'em. I have worn them with my ACU's, but my CSM thinks they are too "trendy" looking. He doesn't think that they qualify as authorized footwear, due to the way the sole is attached.
I have worn them a lot here in the NM desert, walking thru a lot of cactus. I haven't had a needle get thru them yet. That's not to say I never will. Maybe I have been lucky, but they seem to be quite tough. They are very comfortable.
Warm weather: Broken in Jungle boots.
Cold weather: Ft. Lewis Danners
Raichle's, no question. Wore them on everything i did from 92-05...snow, water, sand...you name it
500 Proof
10-16-2010, 23:11
Does anyone use the ''Nike SFB''?
Buffalobob
10-31-2010, 18:33
Merrils-- worn out after three season of elk hunting and packing out three elk. Got them on sale at REI for $40. That's about $13 an elk. :D Rips through all the way through the fabric right at the rubber toe cover. Very comfortable, light weight and silent boot with adequate ankle support.
Some new advances in Vibram composition are providing a softer and queiter sole for stalking
Got a new pair of Lowa's but heel pocket is too large and slips badly. Both heals blistered to bleeding and two toes nearly done in after six miles of elk hunting. Boot is very hard to get broken in, if it will ever break in.
Masochist
10-31-2010, 20:16
Does anyone use the ''Nike SFB''?
Jim,
I haven't personally worn them (short of trying them on in the store and walking around for a few minutes), but I recently came from the US Army Infantry School and a good number of LTs were trying them out. The general consensus was that they were very comfortable for garrison wear, good for rucking if it was under 6-8 miles and on a hard/flat surface, but tended to fall apart if you tried using them for anything strenuous in the woods such as long rucks or climbing. In addition, they offered very little support ("squishy" was a term I heard used more than once) and those with prior foot/ankle problems ended up with additional foot/ankle problems if they used them out of garrison. I was not impressed by the lack of ankle support in my brief try-out, however YMMV.
Depending on what you're using them for, a comparable boot in the same price range that is much more durable/stable is the Oakley SI Assault. I've had a few pairs (8") and they've kept my feet happy in non-mountainous terrain. Keep in mind that there are two similar styles out there: the one offered at places like Ranger Joe's or Commando (Ft. Benning, GA area) and those that come from Oakley Government Sales. The latter are usually cheaper by about $40, are much more durable and provide better Achilles and ankle support.
dualforces
11-01-2010, 21:16
Does anyone use the ''Nike SFB''?
I just ordered a pair of the NIKE SFB Pendleton (http://hypebeast.com/2010/10/nike-sfb-pendleton/) for shit's and grins.
I had to have them sent from a friend in JP.
I used to work for NIKE, so I'm skeptical on the SFB. Esp. the FREE-inspired mid sole. However, from a design standpoint, they make sense.
I will give you an update, as I am rucking quite a bit these days...
Best,
R.
Ever wear those boots? They seemed way too heavy to do any rucking in.Rucked in them a lot...in Alaska, for two years as an Infantry company commander, in Bad Toelz and Fort Devens for five years...you don't NEED a light, fancy, high speed boot to ruck in...the Chips are nearly indestructible...that said, I've worn out two pairs...the pair I have now I use for riding my Harley in cold weather...
Bates Falcon's were good back before going to tan 24/7. I saw those Nike's online and am a bit skeptical over a brand like that trying to trust my feet in there "technology"
I do second that old jungles with waffle sole or ripples have always done me well on rucks.
500 Proof
11-26-2010, 23:29
Thanks for the reviews guys.
I just ordered a pair of the NIKE SFB Pendleton (http://hypebeast.com/2010/10/nike-sfb-pendleton/) for shit's and grins.
How have they been working out for you?
From my experience:
The Nikes make for nice assault boots. Cut down to a 6" and a rigger resew the top. Great for the city, but thats about it.
On terrain, Nikes with internal or external ankle braces are fine, but in combat, I wouldn't rely on something like that.
Rocky's are the best acceptable uniform product I've worn. On both deployment and schools, they've never let me down. Having the sole stitched makes a huge difference in the quality and longevity of the boot. Aside from that, I'll wear these over most hiking boots in the $160 msrp price range--namely Merrel Sawtooths.
With that being said, you can find Raichle and higher end Asolo boots for reasonable prices online, sub $300--just be careful to try them on in store, etc.
My Garmont "6 Goretex 3 season boots are fine for most terrain on a good day, they give me a good amount of support, and have lasted through some punishment.
Rocks and inclines will eat the your entire boot alive over time. Plan accordingly.
EverlACEting
05-09-2011, 18:07
I recently completed Ranger School and I used the NIKE SFB boots during RAP week and in Florida Phase because they were light and they dried fast. They held up to 12 mile road marches and swamp movements. The boots also did well on the rolling hills of Camp Darby. Now when I moved to Mountains I used the Nikes for all of 12 seconds before I switched to my Rocky SV2's. Hope this helps
I recently completed Ranger School....
Congrats. What's next?
EverlACEting
05-10-2011, 06:23
Currently a cinnamon roll followed by some coffee (just kidding... sort of). I may try my hand at Special Forces but my year group may have passed. We shall see. I would like to personally thank all the moderators and members of this site that motivated me in the months leading up to Ranger School and for your continued service and sacrifice
RLTW
I have a pair of the Nike SFB's and they are really snug and aggravate my x3 broken knobby pinky toe, but ... I used them on 20 mile round trip hiking day trips up into the mountains (foot hills) in Washington state while visiting relatives and never got a blister and barely hotfooted. This kind of amazed me as I know I have grown tenderfooted over the years. When I was in, the bottom of my feet had almost a hornplate callus. (because issue boots sucked)
I loved a good pair of broken in jungle boots when I was in.
Now, I just got a pair of Blackhawk desert ops boots. Had them for about 6 months.
It is like walking on a thousand fairies.
I hear other folk have had mixed results on them lasting long term, or long distances but I have had good luck with them so far, though they tend to get a little hot, so I wear thinner socks with them.
Like to try the Oakleys though, after reading the previous post.
pbr549xxx
05-20-2011, 03:28
Now, I just got a pair of Blackhawk desert ops boots. Had them for about 6 months.
It is like walking on a thousand fairies.
So you've been wearing those boots in Seattle and Olympia then?:D
To add something relevant to this thread, I've been wearing the OTB Desertlites here in Afghanistan. They are a good pair of boots. Very light, yet rugged enough that they wont get to tore up in my AO. No mountains here. I wear them with Smartwool socks. We try to go as light as possible so we haven't had to wear a rucksack or even an assault pack, so these boots are really ideal since we arent carrying anything more than the fighting load. I have a pair of Oakleys that I bought with me, but I only wear them on the COP since I think the OTBs are better suited for me here.
http://birthdayshoes.com/special-forces-jumping-out-of-aircraft-in-fivefingers-ksos
http://birthdayshoes.com/special-forces-jumping-out-of-aircraft-in-fivefingers-ksos
So,, UBL was whacked by OPERATORS waring Five-Toes??
This will Revolutionize War, as we know it...
:cool:
Alacrity
05-22-2011, 07:22
Got a pair of Zamberlan's when I was 16. Had those sumbitches for 12 years. Robin Sage finally did them in, RIP.
These past two trips to a-stan I've been using the Asolo Fugitive GTX, and it's a great boot. Big fan of Asolo's. They're hard to break in, but once they do they're tough and they last.
Also a fan of La Sportiva. Stay away from that Merrell stuff, they don't last.
I have pretty tough feet (I rarely get blisters - and none in selection) but I have never been issued a boot I liked.
joesnuffy
05-23-2011, 17:24
My favorite pair of boots are my Altama Ripple sole boots. I bought them when i first got to Hawaii (almost two years ago) and have made it through a 3/4 a deployment and they are still going strong, also my favorite to ruck in as well.
My favorite boots have to be the Corcoran Desert Mauraders. I got my first pair as a cadet and I'm still wearing them (the same pair) after Iraq, almost 6 years of use and currently in Afghanistan. Granted i've gotten them resoled, but I've never gotten a blister on any movement i've done. I got my second pair for Christmas and they were broken in almost out of the box.
Currently a cinnamon roll followed by some coffee (just kidding... sort of). I may try my hand at Special Forces but my year group may have passed. We shall see. I would like to personally thank all the moderators and members of this site that motivated me in the months leading up to Ranger School and for your continued service and sacrifice
RLTW
Congrats on your completion "Ever" I have no doubt a cinnamon roll would be fantastic, sugar overload. In regards to training questions was there a preferred method you had your laces intertwined, connected, and or oriented towards best possible (personal opinion, of course) ankle/overall walking/ruck support? Any personal knowledge of opinion would be much appreciated. Charlie mic.
EverlACEting
05-24-2011, 18:39
I prefer to lace the NIKE SFB's through every eyelet. The Rocky's are a little more stiff and I skipped the eyelet across the ankle to allow for more flexibility. The only true way to determine what method works is to take the time to put on the boots get under a ruck and put a few miles on them. Make adjustments as necessary and cover varied terrain. I hope this helps.
I prefer to lace the NIKE SFB's through every eyelet. The Rocky's are a little more stiff and I skipped the eyelet across the ankle to allow for more flexibility. The only true way to determine what method works is to take the time to put on the boots get under a ruck and put a few miles on them. Make adjustments as necessary and cover varied terrain. I hope this helps.
Roger, thanks much. I'm going to re-lace my Danners before I ruck tomorrow to assess the difference. I am comfortable with the boots I have broken in, as torn as they can get, but also keeping eyes open for a good pair of dense/rough terrain footwear. Charlie mic.
Blind Eye
07-23-2011, 01:55
I have a pair of the Nike SFB's and they are really snug and aggravate my x3 broken knobby pinky toe, but ... I used them on 20 mile round trip hiking day trips up into the mountains (foot hills) in Washington state while visiting relatives and never got a blister and barely hotfooted. This kind of amazed me as I know I have grown tenderfooted over the years. When I was in, the bottom of my feet had almost a hornplate callus. (because issue boots sucked)
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I agree with the aggrivation to your pinky toe, I had to go up another 1/2 size to accommodate this. I couldn't find any SFB's in the stores (so I could try them on) so I had to order them. When I got them on I didn't walk in them long and I could tell it was going to be an issue.
Thankfully "Nike store" took them back no questions and got my 1/2 size larger, no problems at all they fit fine and are very comfortable and light.
I'm glad I got the extra half size larger I feel like this will be a better size once my feet really begin to swell on long rucks. Altough my only problem would be if these were intended in any other situation minus long rucks, I would liked to have been able to get my original size (length) and had the option for a wider size.
Buffalobob
11-10-2011, 06:42
Least Favorite Boot
For $120.00, I bought a pair of Danner Jackkal II boots for bowhunting being as they are made specifically for that purpose. I tried to break them in by wearing them on several hikes around home and got a blister on my left foot little toe. So I got some sock liners and tried them again when my toe was healed. Got another blister. Over the summer I tried several combinations of socks to no avail. The only thing that worked was to pre-bandage the toe.
So I head off to Utah to bowhunt and the first day that there is a heavy dew my feet get wet from walking through wet grass. The boots are goretex lined so I thought maybe my socks had wicked the water down into the boot. I let the boots dry out for a day and use them again with the same result of wet feet but this time I checked the top of my socks to make sure that there is not a wicking problems and sure enough the tops are dry and it is the boots that are leaking.
So I mostly hunted in my Merrill Moabs which are very light, have no goretex but dry quickly and are not as quiet as the Jackals but are acceptable quiet.
WholeManin2010
11-10-2011, 07:34
Pretty much every (positive) thing that has been said about the Nike SFB is true. Have been wearing a pair every day for a bit now, and they are definitely very light, comfortable, and look great, if that matters. ORDER IN YOUR RUNNING SHOE SIZE! I wear a 9.5W boot and an 11 running shoe, and would have been in a bad way if I tried to stick with the normal boot size.
They are pretty decent under a ruck, but a bit squishy, as has been mentioned before. I'm already 210 pounds or so, so the extra weight just makes this even more pronounced. Not a big concern yet.
They aren't waterproof, but I wore them all day in driving rain, walking and through knee-high grass on a training lane, and my feet/socks were no more wet than they would have been with a pair of traditional boots with drain holes.
I know that some folks won't be happy to hear this, but you can order them through AAFES for $99 plus free shipping. Sorry if you've already paid the $130+ elsewhere.
I know that some folks won't be happy to hear this, but you can order them through AAFES for $99 plus free shipping. Sorry if you've already paid the $130+ elsewhere.
Really? Can't find them on the website. Do you have a link? Is it a have to go into the store and order them thing? At PX or Clothing&Sales?
Thanks!
**EDIT** Nevermind, I was looking in the wrong section. I was looking under:
Home > Military Uniforms and Accessories > Footwear
They are found in:
Home > Military Uniforms and Accessories > Tactical Store > Boots
Sure enough, they are avail in Black and desert for $99 plus free shipping. Good tip. Thanks!
FWIW, my favorites for field use are the Garmont T8's. $120 for Desert Sand or $99 w/ free shipping for Coyote tan right now @ Extreme Outfitters. Type in code anysoldier for 10% (if mil anyways). Sizing is... different. I am 10W in issue Altamas, 11.5 in most running shoes and 11.5 in Nike SFB's. I wear 12W in Garmont T8's though. They also have them at Yadkin Boots outside Bragg for $130 plus tax.
I prefer to use the ball bearing eyelet, but skip the reg eyelet underneath it. I also swap out the laces for gutted 550 cord.
hth
-Pete
WholeManin2010
11-11-2011, 21:04
Really? Can't find them on the website. Do you have a link? Is it a have to go into the store and order them thing? At PX or Clothing&Sales?
Thanks!
**EDIT** Nevermind, I was looking in the wrong section. I was looking under:
Home > Military Uniforms and Accessories > Footwear
They are found in:
Home > Military Uniforms and Accessories > Tactical Store > Boots
Sure enough, they are avail in Black and desert for $99 plus free shipping. Good tip. Thanks!
FWIW, my favorites for field use are the Garmont T8's. $120 for Desert Sand or $99 w/ free shipping for Coyote tan right now @ Extreme Outfitters. Type in code anysoldier for 10% (if mil anyways). Sizing is... different. I am 10W in issue Altamas, 11.5 in most running shoes and 11.5 in Nike SFB's. I wear 12W in Garmont T8's though. They also have them at Yadkin Boots outside Bragg for $130 plus tax.
I prefer to use the ball bearing eyelet, but skip the reg eyelet underneath it. I also swap out the laces for gutted 550 cord.
hth
-Pete
Was just about to reply, saw you found them. Good deal. I actually ordered them through one of the online mall vendors at first, but quickly cancelled when I found them coming directly from AAFES. :lifter
Was browsing threads looking for a new pair of boots....which lead to searching the web for boots.....which lead to this---> http://www.desert-gear.com/unarvatabo12.html
when did under armour start making boots? Does anyone have any experience with these?
Surgicalcric
02-05-2012, 08:03
when did under armour start making boots? Does anyone have any experience with these?
They make a poorly constructed excuse for a boot.
Dont waste your money.
Crip
TrapperFrank
02-05-2012, 15:07
Love anything made by Danner. They can be pricey, but are well worth the investment. I now work for an oilfield service company and Muddogs made by Georgia Boot Co are the preferred choice where I work.
This thread is all personal opinion.
What have been your favorite boots since you've been in the military.
I started thinking about this, because my favorite's have been my Raichle's, which are on their last leg. I know I should throw them away, but I just can't seem to do it. I figure they have at least one more good deployment in them. (I've been saying that for a few deployments now)
This^.
I was issued a pair of Raichle's from 10th Group in 2002 (I was activated and attached for OEF). I still use them today as my winter boots. I love them. Easily the best cold weather boots I have ever worn.:lifter
Masochist
02-05-2012, 18:26
They make a poorly constructed excuse for a boot.
Dont waste your money.
Crip
Second that opinion. Both their boots and sneakers (that I have used) fall apart easily, have little support and are generally not good for anything more than walking across the quad. YMMV
tom kelly
02-06-2012, 17:22
Corcoran; made in Martinsburg,PA. U S A...TK
TheCadot
02-10-2012, 12:22
My favorite boot has to be my Blackhawk Warrior Wear DesertOps' I picked up from the US Cav in Ft. Knox.
Really light weight and cushioned, I had to put insoles in on my ECW Addison's (Really good ECW Gore-tex lined boot, just heavy as hell, don't ruck in it!). Not the same story for the B-Hawks, they're fine with the insole they came with.
They have thick laces unlike my Addison's so I don't have to wrap the laces around my ankle three times, usually I just go once around under the first eyelet and tie a square knot off to the side, don't have a problem with the laces coming undone or pushing out my ACU pants when I blouse them in the boots.
I've rucked in them, ran with them, put them through swamps, dead-falls, hills and all sorts of terrain both in Fort Knox and Fort Dix, worked with them (construction) and they haven't ever gave me a problem, and to be honest they're not that bad in cold weather either.
I paid about $120 with tax, they were definitely worth ever penny.
The Reaper
02-10-2012, 17:28
Note the title of the forum: "Professional Gear."
I would leave the tactical boot recommendations to the people who have actually been tactical.
Personally, I would not take Blackhawk gear if it were free.
Best of luck.
TR
I couldn't agree with The Reaper more. Blackhawk is some really bad gear. In addition, most everything they have is made in Vietnam. If it says made in the US, it really means it is mostly made in Vietnam and made just enough in the US to tag it "Made in the USA"
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tom kelly
02-11-2012, 22:51
A pair of boots that I have used are the Hanwag Alaska mountain boots they are hand made in Baveria Germany & are on the EXPENSIVE side of the scale. The pair I bought cost me @ $325.00...Good Boots but Expensive...TK
@ Tom Kelly
I second that opinon. Also have those and paid 220€ for them. Has done everything from desert to icy mountains to diving/swimming in the Baltic/North Sea and still is in good condition. (well put good care into them of course)
Also have a pair of LoWa Desert Elite Boots (~189€) (fun fact HanWag (Hans Wagner) and LoWa (Lorenz Wagner) were brothers) also handmade in Bavaria. Those boots are both really reliable, comfortable (as it can get...) and doing the job just fine.
When serving on a ship I wear Crispi SWAT Boots (made in Italy ~ 170€)
And we´ve got the Adidas GSG 9.2 issued, but those are really just trainers - made for fast roping and super light weight stuff - which they don´t really suck at, but I like a bit of more support feeling for my ankles.
I do walk a big circle about everything labled "Blackhawk""Under Armour" or any company which primary production line hasn´t been boots. For me that´s just fancy labled chinese/asian crap.
I took a pair of blackhawk boots to Iraq with me on my second deployment. After about 2 months the heel cups ripped out and the sides started tearing. I will always stick with the issue bellville 390's, You can beat the hell out of them and they keep on going.
Masochist
02-17-2012, 22:13
And we´ve got the Adidas GSG 9.2 issued, but those are really just trainers - made for fast roping and super light weight stuff - which they don´t really suck at, but I like a bit of more support feeling for my ankles.
Just a heads-up for those doing any sort or rope work with sneaker-type boots: I've personally seen the soles of Nikes and Blackhawks disintegrate after a week or two of ropes, and had my Oakleys last only marginally longer. Something to consider.
Does anyone have any input, positive or negative, on the Belleville Khyber boot? I'm going to Afghanistan this summer and I just wanted to see if it was worth purchasing.
Does anyone have any input, positive or negative, .
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Dreadnought
04-29-2012, 11:00
It depends on METT-TC, honestly. My favorite, general purpose boot would be the TrekSta Evolution Mid's. If there is more demanding terrain, and I need some more ankle support, or perhaps the weather is more extreme in the cold direction as opposed to warmer, I prefer my Salomon Quest 4D GTX's.
For outright warm weather, requiring minimal ankle support, I still prefer my Nike's. Light and quick
For some reason, this thread reminds me of the f.cking 76 yankees shuffling around the flagpole wearing our wingwalker boots. :mad:
Dreadnought
05-01-2012, 19:10
For some reason, this thread reminds me of the f.cking 76 yankees shuffling around the flagpole wearing our wingwalker boots. :mad:
Well, some people know what they're talking about
The Reaper
05-01-2012, 19:28
Well, some people know what they're talking about
Can you elaborate on that comment?
TR
Dreadnought
05-01-2012, 19:36
Can you elaborate on that comment?
TR
Of course. In my opinion, there are a good amount of informed, experienced, and well thought-out posts in this thread, as regards tactical (and "doctrinal") footwear.
For outright warm weather, requiring minimal ankle support, I still prefer my Nike's. Light and quick
Highly agree, I've been rucking in the Nike SFB for a couple of months now. The ankle support is weak compared to others, but having such a lightweight upper that dries extremely fast is something I'll take. The soles are like and pretty gummy, but the tread holds up just as good in sand as it does hard dirt (like Vibrams) in my little opinion. I wonder how they'll hold up in the long haul though, how long have you had yours?
I've been through the boot gamut, as far as deserts go. GI issued (waffle), Blackhawks, Oakley's, even the Converse for a minute, but my longest lasting pair has been the Belleville hot weathers. Wore the soles out slick, but I still use them for swimming!
cant hardly
06-03-2012, 21:50
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Dreadnought
07-28-2012, 23:38
Highly agree, I've been rucking in the Nike SFB for a couple of months now. The ankle support is weak compared to others, but having such a lightweight upper that dries extremely fast is something I'll take. The soles are like and pretty gummy, but the tread holds up just as good in sand as it does hard dirt (like Vibrams) in my little opinion. I wonder how they'll hold up in the long haul though, how long have you had yours?
About a year and a half now, and they held up fine, but one of them is missing now so I no longer wear them.
fritzscorner
09-04-2012, 02:07
Currently using the oakley LSA terrain. I love these boots been wearing them here in Afghanistan for 3-4 months now. I was thinking about making a review of them and putting it on lightfighter.net but have yet to get around to it.
I originally started out with the Garmont T8 (?) boot. Its a nice boot, very comfortable and stable around the ankles but the tread did not last a month in the terrain of my units AO. Im in an area that has me easily on a single patrol going through sharp rocky mountain type terrain, sand, dirt, mud, lots of vegetation, walking through water knee to waist high and rather large temp changes. The Garmonts got torn up quick. Its the same tread style as the newer style army issued hiking boots.
I decided to go with the Oakley LSA terrain based on a recommendation of some dudes with the unit I ripped with. The tread is very minimal, break in period is extremely quick, they are very light, dry very quickly, and holding up perfectly. I like to explain the fit and feel as like wearing mocassins. Hands down best boot I have worn. To bad I cant get away wearing them in garrison as they are not 8" boots closer to 6". Another nice perk is they only cost $65.00 from usstandardissue.com and ship fairly quick here to Afghanistan.
My only complaints are that the boot laces easily come loose when they get submerged under water do to the laces stretching out and when walking through muddy orchards you tend to slide but Ive found most of the guys having the same issues regardless of the type of boot and tread. The clay type mud just clogs the tread up easily.
jzachariahg
02-24-2013, 19:16
I bought a pair of OTB (Over The Beach) Abyss boots, the company is owned by Newbalance, and is apparantly designed for SEALs and others of that nature. They are incredibly comfortable, if you have good socks, I use thick moisture wicking socks, and have a three piece footbed/insole. They are very orthodontically designed and form to your feet in a few days. They are designed for operations in and around water, but work well everywhere I have taken them, urban, woodland, swamp, and sandy areas. They have very aggresively soled and are razor siped. They are made of nylon meshes and rubber and they dry in a couple of hours if you are moving alot. The water drains in holes on the sole that have ballistic mesh on them to prevent the entry of debris, they also second as airways for ventilation, and the mesh is incredibly tough. The seem almost just thrown together, however upon very close inspection are double and triple stiches in most places and they have not come undone in any of the stitching areas. They are great for endurance running s well as shorter sprints. I have good arches and that may contribute to this, but they are also good for running with a pack around 30-40 pounds. I do not know how they would feel for heavy distance rucking. Although they can get rather cold in the winter, in hot areas it is a great overall boot. As an afterthought, the laces are also great, they are sausage linked and have not come undone without me trying to untie them, the eyelets as high quality plastic tubes the are flat on along the tongue and they have not shown any signs of wear. To clean them you need to take them completely apart and run water through them.
Snaquebite
02-24-2013, 19:17
My Justins
joesnuffy
03-03-2013, 21:35
My favorite pair of boots would have to be my Garmonts or my Rocky C-4s, both are good boots and have provided a comfy wear for my feet.
"A" boot: Meindl Deserts for DRY weather, non climbing boot
"B/C" subalpine boot: Meindl Makalu
Plastic alpine: Asolo Evoluzione...admittedly the ONLY plastic boot I've used, but seems to work pretty well in my limited experience
low/mid boot for quick slip on/off in Afghan: Merrell...don't know model, but LOVE them......becoming a huge fan of Merrell...great bang for buck
I bought a pair of OTB (Over The Beach) Abyss boots, the company is owned by Newbalance, and is apparantly designed for SEALs and others of that nature. They are incredibly comfortable, if you have good socks, I use thick moisture wicking socks, and have a three piece footbed/insole. They are very orthodontically designed and form to your feet in a few days. They are designed for operations in and around water, but work well everywhere I have taken them, urban, woodland, swamp, and sandy areas. They have very aggresively soled and are razor siped. They are made of nylon meshes and rubber and they dry in a couple of hours if you are moving alot. The water drains in holes on the sole that have ballistic mesh on them to prevent the entry of debris, they also second as airways for ventilation, and the mesh is incredibly tough. The seem almost just thrown together, however upon very close inspection are double and triple stiches in most places and they have not come undone in any of the stitching areas. They are great for endurance running s well as shorter sprints. I have good arches and that may contribute to this, but they are also good for running with a pack around 30-40 pounds. I do not know how they would feel for heavy distance rucking. Although they can get rather cold in the winter, in hot areas it is a great overall boot. As an afterthought, the laces are also great, they are sausage linked and have not come undone without me trying to untie them, the eyelets as high quality plastic tubes the are flat on along the tongue and they have not shown any signs of wear. To clean them you need to take them completely apart and run water through them.
Hmmmm...I don't think that word means what you think it means...
Hmmmm...I don't think that word means what you think it means...
Hoof 'n Mouth disease.
Hoof 'n Mouth disease.
:D Nice...
You guys need to check out Redback. It's and Australian boot company, They are INCREDIBLY comfortable and durable. Worth checking into.
mark46th
03-05-2013, 09:16
... or foot in mouth disease.
x SF med
03-05-2013, 14:01
Hmmmm...I don't think that word means what you think it means...
That's inconceivable. ;)
Guymullins
04-25-2013, 03:06
At last, I found my favorite boots at a reasonable price at the Huntex Expo last week.
Courteney Boots are a Zimbabwe maker of hand-made hunting boots, which to my mind are the best all round African hunting boot. They are made of Cape Buffalo hide and Impala hide and are very comfortable while being hard wearing. Made for those 25 mile per day elephant hunts, the boots are thorn resistant and water resistant with a bellows tongue which keeps out creepy-crawleys and moisture. The style is based on the old Trekker Veldschoen and each pair is numbered with a Years Warrantee. Cost was about $235, much cheaper than retail price.
ghost35m
07-12-2013, 10:41
I just bought some rocky c4t's. I've only had them for 24 hours now, but I love them. They're a little tight on the bridge of my foot compared to my Blackhawks, but I can tell its goin away little by little a they break in. Looking to take my c4's out and about this weekend
I just bought some rocky c4t's. I've only had them for 24 hours now, but I love them. They're a little tight on the bridge of my foot compared to my Blackhawks, but I can tell its goin away little by little a they break in. Looking to take my c4's out and about this weekend
The C4T is a very comfortable boot, it has a roomy toe box and it breaths well. Downsides? It has terrible traction, in both wet and dry conditions. It does, however, dry rather quickly in humidity (60-80%).
Sapper124
10-14-2013, 19:36
The Rocky C4t's are great for training and rucking on semi-improved roads but as stated before, the traction is not there for cross country. I had a pair last me through SUT but I was definitely slipping when it became wet out or on loose ground.
I learned that ROCKY would be releasing a S2V Jungle Boot when one of their reps showed up at a training event. I bought a pair as soon as I saw them online as I am a big fan of the S2V. It is very similar to the Altama Desert Jungle boots in material, but the sole is the S2V style which can handle a lot of abuse and does not melt away while fast roping like the C4T. Unfortunately the stitching fell apart as soon as I got in country and waiting for Rocky to send me a replacement pair before I get to try them out in the mountains. It is starting to cool down so these might not see a lot of use until the Spring.
In the mean time I will be sporting my ASOLO Fugitive GTX which have handled plenty of abuse and elements over the years and hold up great. Downside is they are a heavy boot.
I am a huge fan of INOV8 running shoes and when they came out with a 400gram Goretex boot I figured it was worth a shot. Big payoff, They are incredibly light, stay dry, and kept my feet warm in the NC winter. My first thought was that they would not hold up under weight because of their lightweight and the soft sole, however that was disproved while under ruck in the Uwharrie.
Spiffav8
11-03-2013, 22:23
I have a closet full of various types from a few companies. After getting some input from a few friends I went with the ASOLO Fugitive GTX. They have been perfect for me. Not incredibly warm during the winter months, but they aren't as bulky as others and that's a must for me.
I have a closet full of various types from a few companies. After getting some input from a few friends I went with the ASOLO Fugitive GTX. They have been perfect for me. Not incredibly warm during the winter months, but they aren't as bulky as others and that's a must for me.
Let us know how you like them. I was looking at those and the LOWA Renegade GTX's. The ASOLO's on REI's website had a bunch of reviews saying the goretex was leaking on the left boot (weird...). I wear a 13W, so I'm kinda limited in my choices :boohoo
Spiffav8
11-04-2013, 16:22
Let us know how you like them. I was looking at those and the LOWA Renegade GTX's. The ASOLO's on REI's website had a bunch of reviews saying the goretex was leaking on the left boot (weird...). I wear a 13W, so I'm kinda limited in my choices :boohoo
I've had mine for the last two years and love them. No issues what so ever. Nice thing about REI is you can always take them back, no matter how beat or busted up they are. I've heard good things about the ASOLO Flame, but have yet to try a pair. I looked up the LOWA Renegade GTX and it looks like it might be a bit warmer than the ASOLO Fugitive GTX. Not a bad thing if you spend the bulk of our time on the ground. Me being in and out of a cockpit, I prefer something not so bulky or warm. "The Kids" in the back are always complaining it's to hot, so that means the cockpit is cooking and I always end up stripping off layers....thinking winter flying here. Summer is just the opposite. LoL
Let us know how you like them. I was looking at those and the LOWA Renegade GTX's. The ASOLO's on REI's website had a bunch of reviews saying the goretex was leaking on the left boot (weird...). I wear a 13W, so I'm kinda limited in my choices :boohoo
I have 2 pairs of the Lowa renegades leather lined, one regular one wide. I find the wide to be almost if not comepletely identical in width to the regular. I definitely recommend trying to them out in person vs online ordering. I performance has been fine, but I have not attempted to push them to their limits yet. Lowa touts the molded in trim, it seems to hold pretty well but iI snagged something rather firmly and managed to separate it from the leather.
I chose leather lined after speaking to the Lowa rep. She recommended leather due to the humid area I live in saying that often gtx doesn't work well in very humid environments due to the lack of driving force across the membrane (humid inside and out). Also, a warning about the leather lining, I find that if tied loosely the boots will make some lovely squeaking noises.
My choice Asolo GTX95 for wet weather.
For dry and hot Merell MOAB Ventilator and UA Alegent - great choice. Lightweight, well ventilated.
Tried a lot of shoes.
Belleville KIOWA - sand in the desert woke up inside the shoe through eyelets.