View Full Version : Creeping Authoritarianism
GratefulCitizen
01-11-2022, 18:38
Maybe this is necessary, but don’t we already have sufficient police resources to address any real threat?
Looks like an excuse to centralize and target political threats.
Will improper speech get you investigated?
Harassment is an effective deterrent where convictions aren’t possible.
Be interesting to see how this is used.
https://apnews.com/article/united-states-national-security-terrorism-899caf47624dd8741d04f73e65659e68
From the article:
“We have seen a growing threat from those who are motivated by racial animus, as well as those who ascribe to extremist anti-government and anti-authority ideologies,”
I would agree with you and speculate this announcement by the DOJ is merely asn official notice of something that has been operational for sometime. I would say it was operational prior to 1/6/21.
They have been doing that for the past several decades. They are called JTTF's and they get the glory for the work that the locals are doing concerning domestic terrorists. The Feds are fairly lost when it comes to the "locals" who *are* the domestic terrorists. They just want to let the public know they are about to start *targeting* whatever group they now feel fits their definition of a domestic terrorist. Let the fun begin!
Durbin
It’s a simple request, but sadly a necessary one,” Durbin added. “This committee should speak with a unified voice in saying violence is unacceptable.”
Except for AntiFa, BLm, and The Whole of the D卐M☭CRAT Party.
Durbin
Except for AntiFa, BLm, and The Whole of the D卐M☭CRAT Party.
Did you hear about Garrett James Smith? A Google search gives you a birds eye view into how the National Media handles them.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Garrett+James+Smith&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Florida Patriot
01-12-2022, 10:27
Very interesting. And there's this too.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/01/guerrilla-war-exercise-to-be-fought-across-rural-nc-counties-army-warns/
You guys are hilarious. You actually still believe that a government that has labeled the contents of our nations founding documents as "problematic" somehow give a pebbled fuck about "the people"
You guys are awesome. Your optimism really brightens my days.
tom kelly
01-12-2022, 15:16
What will it take to state the shooting part of this war ? Will China & Russia take opposite sides ? who will win ?....Thoughts !
I can only tell you won't win. The American people won't win. They'll be labeled as either commies or terrorists - depending on which side decides to make the first riduclous leap forward.
At that point - everyone loses - everyone except the governing class and the billionaires - they won't "win" but they'll all be just fine.
Almost makes you wonder if the 1970s/80s LATAM paramilitaries weren't on the right side of history after all. Is it any coincidence that their primary targets were academics, university students, clergy, NGOs, press, etc?
x/S
Old Dog New Trick
01-12-2022, 21:19
What will it take to state the shooting part of this war ? Will China & Russia take opposite sides ? who will win ?....Thoughts !
I really believe that Vlad and Ji Ying Ping-Pong are discussing who gets what when they are done. China has bought up so much of the world lately that they just have to install new leadership under the control of the CCP. Vladimir will be happy with the rest of the mineral production that he doesn’t already own.
We already lost!
Trapper John
01-13-2022, 10:11
I am coming to the opinion that the real threats are coming from alliances between the institutional bureaucracies, NGOs, Big Tech, MSM, and wealthy lone wolf actors like George Soros.:eek:
Oddly - when I used to joke about those very things quite some years ago, I was teased about being one of those clownspearasea therapists...
Golf1echo
01-13-2022, 12:09
I can only tell you won't win. The American people won't win. They'll be labeled as either commies or terrorists - depending on which side decides to make the first riduclous leap forward.
At that point - everyone loses - everyone except the governing class and the billionaires - they won't "win" but they'll all be just fine.
Agree.
Do our current problems not stem from a cultural movement, or revolution, of the disenfranchised that began in the 60s? Be it real or perceived.
Well who is becoming disenfranchised now?
A couple quotes from Maxine Waters
“You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet,”
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,”
Edit: Trying to highlight hypocrisy of the left, while that is a technique it turns out it’s not that influential or in the best interests of the people...
GratefulCitizen
01-13-2022, 12:47
Assuming some sort of oligarchical cooperation exists among powerful entities and individuals which serves to consolidate their power, I see an Achilles’ heel in their methods.
Their methods assume some sort of centralization in the opposition to their schemes.
They instinctively attack Trump as if he were the motivator, rather than an opportunist who correctly read public sentiment.
They create boogeymen “motivated by racial animus,…anti-government and anti-authority ideologies” where none actually exist in significant numbers.
They assume they have the ability to create or suppress public sentiment from the top down when, in reality, these things are grass-roots in their genesis.
The nation is simply too large with too much tradition in rebellion to succumb, in the long-term, to centralized influence.
The only other option is direct coercion.
This brings up the problem of force.
The citizens of this nation are the most well-armed force in all of human history.
Military and law enforcement do have substantial capabilities, but even if the command structures were willing to act against the people, this still assumes seamless maintenance of top down authority within those organizations, which are made up of those same pesky rebellious Americans.
Where the rubber meets the road, who are the trigger pullers in these organizations?
What are the political and personal tendencies of the typical enlisted and NCOs among Army and Marine Corps infantrymen?
What about the competent trigger pullers in various LEO agencies who live and work among the people they would be tasked to oppress?
Right now, many LEO organizations are refusing to enforce mask and vaccine mandates within their jurisdictions, so they would be unlikely to take more drastic action on a larger scale.
With regards to the threat of coercion, Paul Howe correctly discerned the implausibility of that path in his article “Second Amendment and the Kool-Aid Drinkers.”
Those who would concentrate power are running into that reality.
I suspect the oligarchs have discovered the limits of their power, in this nation at least.
Each new attempt at assumption of power reeks of desperation.
Too many Americans have learned the effectiveness of a firm and consistent “no.”
Their ranks continue to swell as more realize that the emperor has no clothes.
In time, the would-be kings will slink away into their particular exiles with whatever spoils they can take.
Meanwhile, the best path is to maintain cool heads and confidently proclaim inevitable victory to those who haven’t yet chosen a side.
The powerful are attempting to rule through fear and confusion.
The best way to counter that is to firmly say “no” while demonstrating hope and optimism.
Like a virus, that hope and optimism spreads at the grass-roots level.
Hearts and minds are the prize.
I suspect the oligarchs have discovered the limits of their power, in this nation at least.
Maybe not. John Kerry.Walmart, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Bezos, Gates, etc are continuing forge ahead on the Great Reset.
sfshooter
01-14-2022, 09:19
The destruction of our society has obviously been ongoing for quite some time. It used to be subtle but now it's in your face and "what are you going to do about it" force.
I think us citizens have reluctantly held onto the fantasy that our politicians were actually there to represent us, even though it has been quite obvious this is not really true. If you are a large corporation or tech giant then your lobbying dollars go a long ways to having politicians do your bidding.
There are a lot of humans who crave wealth and power. Those of us not having thoughts along these lines make it harder for us to believe that total control of society would be someone's goals. We forget our history..........Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.
The purge has started within our military and I believe it won't be too many more years before it's complete. I'm guessing its quite divided within the ranks right now but here a sample of what they are now recruiting:
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/08/woke-u-s-soldier-appears-to-threaten-to-shoot-american-citizens-if-they-disobey-video/
Its troops like this that make creeping authoritarianism easier and easier for those who wish to control.
The destruction of our society has obviously been ongoing for quite some time. It used to be subtle but now it's in your face and "what are you going to do about it" force.
I think us citizens have reluctantly held onto the fantasy that our politicians were actually there to represent us, even though it has been quite obvious this is not really true. If you are a large corporation or tech giant then your lobbying dollars go a long ways to having politicians do your bidding.
There are a lot of humans who crave wealth and power. Those of us not having thoughts along these lines make it harder for us to believe that total control of society would be someone's goals. We forget our history..........Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.
The purge has started within our military and I believe it won't be too many more years before it's complete. I'm guessing its quite divided within the ranks right now but here a sample of what they are now recruiting:
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/08/woke-u-s-soldier-appears-to-threaten-to-shoot-american-citizens-if-they-disobey-video/
Its troops like this that make creeping authoritarianism easier and easier for those who wish to control.
“The people I worry about are NOT the people I worry about!”
The army is a paper tiger. Plain and simple, they would get their collective arses kicked within weeks if they are used to “put down” an armed insurrection. All elite forces would dissolve with their weapons and equipment (and most important along with their training and toughness). They (the USG) are watching us in particular due to our ability to stand-up formations of G’s that would reek havoc on their infrastructure and supply chains (not to mention their combat power).
I’m all for their continued lowering of standards to let chicks in combat arms and keep malingers in the force. Makes the job all that much easier.
All I can say is “pack your bags and bring a lunch” if they think it will end well for them.
The creeping continues.
The FBI recently sought to develop sources inside Christian churches and Catholic dioceses as part of an effort to combat domestic terrorism, according to internal documents released by House Judiciary Committee on Monday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-sought-develop-sources-catholic-churches-internal-documents-show
Authoritarianism is bad.
I just thought I'd get that out of the way RIGHT up front.
-Stop doing that in public, or else.
-"Or else WHAT"
***SMACK*** - never question my authority !
-What the hell did you do that for?
-Because I said stop *** SMACK***
-But why did you hit me again?
-So that you know I mean business.
It's definitely not a good exchange; but if the rule of law says don't and you do and you get a non-judical smack down - well, you knew it was coming and besides, you could have done it in private but you choose to challenge authority.
Authoritarianism is bad; it encroaches on peoples unfettered rights. It also is a really poor literary choice for saying 'rule of law'
You can still do whatever the fuck you want in private. You can still think for yourself. You can still root for the Red Sox or the Cardinals or Dodgers or the Yankees and you can wear whatever hat you want as long as you don't start throwing frozen water bottles and cans of Great Value tomato soup at the police officers when your team loses.
But if you do - the PoPo is bringing an ass whupping.
They are bringing a bad one.
A REAL bad one.
Why?
Because - like I said - authoritarianism is bad.
Authoritarianism is REALLY bad if you have a problem with authority.
If you aren't a jackass, and you don't have a problem dealing with a reasonable degree of authority - you may even get along without getting an oak shampoo from the constable.
However, one side of the political spectrum doesn't ackshooaly practice authoritarianism - they prefer totalitarianism.
-That side of the political spectrum calls EVERYONE that doesn't agree with them a "literal" knotsee.
-That same side of the political spectrum wants to FORCE you to let them subject your children to drag queen story hour.
If you resist, you are called out as a dissident and left to fend for yourself when the mob comes. Or worse - they just label you as a domestic terrorist.
...either way, they just wait for you to defend yourself and then you are jailed for being a violent extremist.
-That same side of the political spectrum says its offensive to call someone a p3d-oh-file - instead you should call them "minor attracted persons"
...and if you don't, you're cancelled.
It doesn't matter WHAT team you root for - you can ONLY wear a New York Yankee hat...
...ever.
If you get caught with an unapproved hat - even in your own house - you're cancelled - or worse.
That unspecified side of the political spectrum is not interested in authoritarianism - they don't care about rules - they only care about power. To 'THAT SIDE' of the political spectrum, authoritarianism is inherently flawed because an authoritarian state cannot mobilize the entire population without substantial effort. You cannot shepherd an entire population in pursuit of a common goal without some degree of push-back because human beings are gonna human.
Authoritarianism is bad.
Authoritarianism is bad but it's really just an impolite and horribly administered way of demanding that everyone follow rules to the very letter of the law.
Or else.
Totalitarianism, on the other hand, seeks to utterly and completely suppress traditional systems. It demands strict adherence to a prescribed ideology. It can easily mobilize entire populations in support of a directed goal because the entire population has already submitted to a strictly guided ideology.
And it really doesn't care about rules as much as it cares about predetermined outcomes.
An authoritarian government will enforce mask mandates. A totalitarian government doesn't need to enforce mandates because the populace willingly and unquestionably follows them regardless of the demonstrated facts behind the declared fiat.
Or else.
...or at least that's what I've been told