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JJ_BPK
04-01-2021, 07:35
Should the USPS get into banking?

preface:

The UK (1880 c ref #1) and other countries have had this for some time.

If you discount the ACLU Wokness, it is true that the US is moving from physical banks to online banking.

I, personally, have not entered a bank in 30 years? and have not had an account at a bank (IBM Federal Credit Union) for some 20 years.

Two scenarios

1)USPS rents space to banks, makes a few shekels and the needs are met.

2)USPS gets into banking whole hog

The first I can buy into, 2 not on my watch.


Opine... :munchin




ACLU: Why We Need the Post Office to Close the Racial Wealth Gap

Roughly 50 percent of Black families do not have access to affordable financial services. The post office can close that gap.

Across America, banks are disappearing, leaving behind their most vulnerable customers, many of whom are Black and low-income. Since 2013, more than 11,000 additional bank branches have shuttered. And the trend is only accelerating. Some analysts expect as many as 20,000 additional branch closures in the immediate aftermath of the COVID pandemic. Branches in majority-Black areas, in particular, were roughly 50 percent more likely to close than those in the rest of America. As a result, 63 percent of majority-Black census tracts do not have an active bank branch; 17 percent of Black Americans are unbanked; and 30 percent of Black Americans are underbanked.

With bank branches closing at an accelerating rate, we can expect the number of unbanked Americans to grow, particularly Black Americans, as well as the fees they pay. Black consumers, like low-income consumers generally, are prime candidates to be exploited by the payday loan industry. “The average unbanked family with an annual income of around $25,000 will spend about $2,400 per year, almost 10 percent of its income, on financial transactions,” writes Mehrsa Baradaran in How the Other Half Banks. “This is more than these families spend on food.” Over the course of a 30-year working career, being unbanked can cost the median Black family more than $86,000 in fees, representing twice their annual income.

But America is not without recourse. We believe postal banking provides a cure to what ails our most vulnerable communities. According to the Postal Service’s Office of the Inspector General, the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act authorizes the agency to expand beyond money orders to other affordable services, including payroll check cashing, domestic money transfers, and bill payment. This is not a new or radical idea. A Pew survey from 2014 found that 81 percent of people who placed money orders stated that they would cash their checks at the Post Office; 79 percent would pay their bills; 71 percent would access small dollar loans; and 59 percent would utilize a reloadable prepaid card.


https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/why-we-need-the-post-office-to-close-the-racial-wealth-gap/?initms_aff=nat&initms_chan=soc&utm_medium=soc&initms=210323_systemicequality_blog_fb&utm_source=fb&utm_campaign=systemicequality&utm_content=210323_racialjustice_blog&ms_aff=nat&ms_chan=soc&ms=210323_systemicequality_blog_fb&utm_term=pm-6233005794995-6235030747995



ref#1: UK postal banking started 1880 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_savings_system


PS: My daughter works for Accenture in the UK and one of her clients is the UK Postal system, including the posted banking. Like myself, she does not "bank" anymore, but says the convenience of popping into the post office f0r the odd money order and cash, is very convenient.


:munchin

7624U
04-01-2021, 07:59
Open an account and get free shipping for life of your account? That would be a incentive.

Roguish Lawyer
04-01-2021, 08:12
Yeah, and one of Biden's top banking priorities is fighting climate change. :rolleyes:

Peregrino
04-01-2021, 08:16
The USPS, even with a virtual monopoly, is always losing money, raising fees, and getting congressional bail-outs while providing mediocre service and you think it's a good idea that they get into banking? :confused:

tonyz
04-01-2021, 08:52
My personal experience with the USPS over the past few years has been abysmal.

Many lost or long delayed items...letters, postcards and packages. Domestic and international...cross town or cross country...the loss and delays are across the board.

IME, the costs continue to increase while the service continues to decline.

Box
04-01-2021, 09:00
The USPS, even with a virtual monopoly, is always losing money, raising fees, and getting congressional bail-outs while providing mediocre service and you think it's a good idea that they get into banking? :confused:

You beat me to the punch.

We have an organization that can't financially manage the cost and circulation of postage stamps without consistently mismanaging their funds - and we are supposed to believe these fucking institutional hucksters could thrive in the banking industry?
For goodness sake -BANKERS can't even be trusted with the banking industry.

The ACLU has a premise that at its very root is SO full of shit to begin with.
Banks are closing and going online - and fucking over black families in the process...

It sounds like "President" Biden's declaration that minorities dont know how to use the internet.
This article from the ACLU is shamefully racist

tonyz
04-01-2021, 09:02
“payroll check cashing”


...would you need a <gasp> ID ?

JJ_BPK
04-01-2021, 09:10
you think it's a good idea that they get into banking? :confused:

No, my pick was that the USPS rent space to banks.

I agree with all, that USPS services and profitability have sucked from the get-go. In my opinion dew in large to government bureaucrats management and unions.

My point is there is a growing chunk of society that is not keeping up with technology, if not helped, they will soon be using beans as barter, not cash.

Smart phones, tablets, and ipads only help those that move beyond Messanger, Tik-Tok, Games, and Instagram

JJ_BPK
04-01-2021, 09:13
“payroll check cashing”


...would you need a <gasp> ID ?

Yes.. :mad:

Trapper John
04-01-2021, 09:49
This really drives me nuts... We are facing a $2T Covid Relief bill, a $3T Infrastructure bill, a $3T tax hike, and HR1 all of which are nothing more than moves to centralize power in a 1 party system...now this?

Just a veiled attempt to centralize banking under the gubment? This will only attract and subjugate the most vulnerable elements of our population!

I think I may be looking at a new mission for my post-retirement years?

De Oppresso Liber

Pete
04-01-2021, 09:58
USPS is raking in the money. My 4"x4" PO Box is now up to $204 per year.

Looking at all the PO Boxes the same size as mine, that Post Office is pulling in a serious amount of change.

Box
04-01-2021, 10:14
i guess one might say they have been in the banking business for quite some time now - they just use stamps, post cards, and mailboxes as currency

ah the good old days - when things like the cloward-piven strategy was just a harmless conspiracy theories about radicalized liberal college professors

The Reaper
04-01-2021, 10:50
Unionized bank employees, under USPS management?

What could go wrong with this scheme?

TR

cbtengr
04-01-2021, 11:37
We do not need the govt. in the banking business. There are no banks disappearing in my area in fact I am amazed at the number of different banks that are now available. I do some online banking and still write maybe 5 checks a month, the Amish do not take credit or debit cards but will take a good check.

I know that a lot of Post Offices are less than desirable but my little PO is great, it is in a small town only 2550 people, I ship almost all my packages through them. I like the fact that the bulk of my packages are delivered Priority Mail in no more three days to either coast and I think their rates are fair. It's all a crap shoot.

Box
04-01-2021, 11:57
I think the very idea that living breathing human beings think the US government should be involved in either the banking or health care industries ought to scare the ever loving shit out of people.

If you have been paying attention over the last 60 years as the US government has repeatedly demonstrated their administrative incompetence and you STILL think that they should have any sway whatsoever over your finances or your health...
...help me understand why

This is the organization that is openly declaring their FACT that the institution they have had had control of for generations is institutionally racist and corrupt. (Their words not mine.)

This same institution that has a US Rep that has a degree in economics that says things like - "you just pay for it"
The same people that can't keep the shop open because they cant agree on which cronies will get the loins share of pork when they pass trillion dollar "stimulus" bills.

I'm as confused as a one legged hermaphrodite in a butt fucking contest but to some people - all of "this" makes perfect sense.

Flagg
04-01-2021, 14:14
Providing services profitably and ethically to the “unbanked” is a huge opportunity.

USPS is in the optimal position to offer those services(akin to Japan), but organisationally/structurally would likely struggle.

I have some sympathy for the USPS. Some.

The former President beat up Amazon for not paying enough for USPS, which was entirely misdirected.

Amazon paid/pays huge money to USPS for huge volume contracted services which is not a bad deal at all for the USPS.

What is a terrible deal for USPS is the international agreements between nations in delivering each other’s mail.

Countries in international postal agreements agree to cover costs with delivering mail from other countries within their own sovereign borders.

Back when the US had major trade surpluses, USPS had a major tailwind with more mail being exported than imported.

Today the US runs major trade deficits(China) where the cost of delivering a package from China to the US is cheaper than delivering a package across the street.

So the USPS used to profit from US international trade surpluses, now it suffers from US international trade deficits, amplified by fast growing international e-commerce.

In short, USPS is a rough barometer of relative US global economic health.

PSM
04-01-2021, 18:22
My personal experience with the USPS over the past few years has been abysmal.

Many lost or long delayed items...letters, postcards and packages. Domestic and international...cross town or cross country...the loss and delays are across the board.

IME, the costs continue to increase while the service continues to decline.

I sent PENN two packages of dried sourdough starter and neither made it to him. (Three actually, but one was RTS due to incorrect zip. They could have run the name of the restaurant and address through Google Maps and found it, though.)

tonyz
04-01-2021, 19:55
I sent PENN two packages of dried sourdough starter and neither made it to him. (Three actually, but one was RTS due to incorrect zip. They could have run the name of the restaurant and address through Google Maps and found it, though.)

Pat, I believe it.

A friend on here mailed me a package this past summer via 3-day Priority Mail...it took weeks to arrive. Because he also emailed me the tracking number we could watch the thing take a tour of the USA. It did eventually make it here.

Literally, this week we received a properly posted Christmas card from Germany.

I often receive my neighbor’s mail...

I’ve had PO Boxes for decades...there is ALWAYS at least junk mail - daily. About two months ago I did not receive a single piece of mail in that PO Box - for approx. 2 weeks. Weeks. No mail. Then back to normal. I spoke with “management” - clueless is a charitable way to describe my interaction.

I think CVS or Walgreens would potentially make a better go at managing a bank location than the PO - seems like there is one of those two on every corner.

Badger52
04-02-2021, 05:26
Government in the business of being in business, hmmm.
An outfit that annually needs on the order of $32B just to pay their upside-down salary structure, unfunded pensions & can't pay their INTEREST on the previous annual bailouts?
(wait... is that Amtrak? Maybe I'm confused.)

I'll stick with my small town credit union. Just..... no, to any option.

I'm in the cbtengr group of having a very nice & well-meaning local PO.
They are ham-strung by the upstream delivery model that is a combination of "Where's Waldo?" and the Lewis & Clark Expedition.