View Full Version : The Filibuster.....the Establishment GOP’s Scam
As soon as Republicans wound up back in the saddle, we wouldn’t just erase every liberal change that hurt the country. We’d strengthen America with all kinds of conservative policies with zero input from the other side. Nationwide right-to-work for working Americans. Defunding Planned Parenthood and sanctuary cities on day one. A whole new era of domestic energy production. Sweeping new protections for conscience and the right to life of the unborn. Concealed-carry reciprocity in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Massive hardening of security on our southern border.
-Senator Mitch McConnell
I heard that on the radio sometime during the last couple weeks and thought to myself "Where were the f*** were you the last four years Mitch? Where were you and Paul Ryan the first 2 years of Trumps term?"
I think this Revolver News article hits the nail squarely on the head when it comes to Mitch and the Filibuster..
The filibuster does not protect the rights of the minority party. It protects the majority from keeping its own promises. And Mitch McConnell has a lot of promises he wants to break. For McConnell and all his allies, the filibuster is perfect. They get the policies they want, ignore the ones they don’t, and then go back to fundraising and tweets promising change.
https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/mitch-mcconnells-defense-of-the-filibuster-reveals-the-establishment-gops-scam/
Sadly I'm not to politically savvy on all this filibuster stuff...What I do notice though is all the bloviating when we're not in charge and they say things like "when we get back in charge...blah, blah, blah, ..." and not a damn thing happens..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Sadly I'm not to politically savvy on all this filibuster stuff...
It gives cover to those with no spine.
Both sides use it to protect vulnerable Senators.
When something will pass - like 51 to 49 - they will vote to end the filibuster with 60 or more votes and then the vulnerable ones can vote against the bill and say "See, I was against the bill and voted no". But the bill passes.
The filibuster was supposed to make for more broad support required to pass a bill. More compromising from both sides. But "compromise" is what got us to where we're are. Instead of pork for one side we end up with pork for both sides.
Badger52
03-20-2021, 05:00
It gives cover to those with no spine.
^^ This.
I like Heinlein's notion of a bicameral legislature. ANYthing must be passed by pure 2/3 majority. The 2nd doesn't pass stuff; it's job is to function as a review or "murder" board. If even 1/3 agree that the previous POS bill is stupid, it is kicked to the curb. Then take a page from a few western states. Only meet for 4-6 weeks a year, and don't quit your day job there, Skippy. Tends to put focus on the important stuff.
Republicans suck. They are spineless, poodle-walking, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, surrender monkeys.
I'd tell you what I think of Democrats but I'd get tossed off here forever for language and deportment.
Time to focus on the Constitution and the foundation of our great Country. Neither party does this.
Republicans suck. They are spineless, poodle-walking, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, surrender monkeys.
I'd tell you what I think of Democrats but I'd get tossed off here forever for language and deportment.
Time to focus on the Constitution and the foundation of our great Country. Neither party does this.
They both suck ( term limits ) and no lobby money is the only way they will work for the people not party. I would like no parties just run on your own merits and get voted in.
They both suck ( term limits ) and no lobby money is the only way they will work for the people not party. I would like no parties just run on your own merits and get voted in.
I like the idea, and would add the critters must reside in the jurisdictions they represent 85% of the year, no armed protection other than the local PD, no Golden Parachute, Cannot be dual citizens and no special benefits funded by the tax payers like health care, haircuts, etc.
Trapper John
03-20-2021, 08:43
Republicans suck. They are spineless, poodle-walking, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, surrender monkeys.
I'd tell you what I think of Democrats but I'd get tossed off here forever for language and deportment.
Time to focus on the Constitution and the foundation of our great Country. Neither party does this.
Bada Bing....Bada Boom :lifter Thank you JimP!
Republicans suck. They are spineless, toy-poodle-walking, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, surrender monkeys.
I'd tell you what I think of Democrats but I'd get tossed off here forever for language and deportment.
Time to focus on the Constitution and the foundation of our great Country. Neither party does this.
Fixed the typo on the repukelicants.
If I say what I think of the dummycraps I'd have to ban myself...
Agree 100% on your bottom line.
It gives cover to those with no spine.
Both sides use it to protect vulnerable Senators.
When something will pass - like 51 to 49 - they will vote to end the filibuster with 60 or more votes and then the vulnerable ones can vote against the bill and say "See, I was against the bill and voted no". But the bill passes.
The filibuster was supposed to make for more broad support required to pass a bill. More compromising from both sides. But "compromise" is what got us to where we're are. Instead of pork for one side we end up with pork for both sides.
Thx Pete... I feel better already...knowing more than what I woke up with...:D
Come with me on a metaphoric journey into a true understanding of this mythologic political superhero name Phil LeBuster......
Phil LeBuster is a french entrepreneur whose family immigrated to the USA centuries ago. His family owns a manufacturing company that produces the sports paraphernalia that is sold at sporting events around the country.
There is a misconception that most of his products are sold at the stadium on game day. The reality is, Phil LeBuster uses marketing to peddle his wares at as many different venues as possible...
It doesn't matter if a game goes into extra innings.
It doesn't matter if a game goes into overtime.
It doesn't matter if a game ends in sudden death.
Phil LeBuster doesn't care if the merchants have to work late because Phil LeBuster isn't playing the game and he doesn't contribute to a victory.
The fact is - Phil LeBuster isn't in the business of winning games. Phil LeBuster's sole profit motive is actually 'extending the tie game' for as long as possible. Phil LeBuster just delays the inevitable.
Phil LeBusters raison d'être is making money NOT from the victory of any given team but from the theater exhibited by each team.
It breaks down like this:
The Cincinnati Reds - a typical "red" team and the Chicago Cubs - a typical "blue" team show up on game-day ready to play 9 innings of baseball.
They are going to play 9 innings of ball on a field that was most likely funded by taxpayers. Those same taxpayers are in the stadium today; they are paying "trumped-up" prices for sodas, beer, hot-dogs, nachos, peanuts, and cracker jacks...
...not to mention the obligatory program so they can follow the action. They can read performance statistics about their favorite players and there is even a score sheet so they can follow today's game.
Of course, the "program" is full of paid advertisers. Some of these advertisers own steak houses that specialize in 200-dollar dinner-for-two dining experiences. Some of these advertisers sell cars that cost 80-90-100 thousand dollars even though the average income for every single residential neighborhood within 10 miles of the stadium is only 50-70 thousand dollars per year.
The advertisers don't matter though - this game is all about the fans - we know because that is what the players were saying in the pregame interviews. That's what the star pitcher said to me when he signed my baseball glove.
...I heard that the three kids that got trampled trying to get his signature are expected to make a full recovery.
The fans love the Star Pitcher. He is a fan favorite. He doesn't live near the stadium though. He has a house WAY on the other side of town in an exclusive gated community with electric gates and paid security. That doesn't matter though - we love coming to see him at the stadium. This stadium is awesome too - it was built using taxpayer-funded infrastructure improvements, tax-free municipal bonds, long-term local and state tax exemptions, and operating cost subsidies to keep the team from moving to another state. The fans don't really get to enjoy any of this "directly" but at least we have the players representing us.
The tickets are expensive, but it's worth it to watch our team come out and "play the game" for our entertainment. In fact, the "owners" just agreed to give all paying customers a bonus - 1400 credits for your next concession stand purchase.
After all - the fans paid for the stadium, we paid for our tickets, we paid the upcharge on the food and drinks being sold in the stadium (since we can't bring our own food inside the stadium) we paid for our tickets - and before we go home, we will have bought a hat, jersey, key chain, and bobblehead from the souvenir stand owned and operated by Phil LeBuster.
We never expected the game to go into extra innings - but it did - which was GREAT for Phil LeBuster and the other merchants. We bought a lot more stuff than we expected since we were in the stands for so much longer than we expected. It seemed like a real nail-biter at first but partway through the 17th inning, it dawned on me...
The star pitcher didn't have any zip on his fastball today - he came out right after the 7th inning stretch. In fact, he hasn't pitched a complete game in a few seasons and he has NEVER thrown a no-hitter.
The right fielder came up from the minors as an unknown - sure, he'll hit a booming solo home run every now and again that gets everyone's attention but he has yet to hit a game-winner and his RBI numbers are pretty low.
We picked up a speedster in a late-season trade last year, thinking he would steal some bases or turn some singles into extra-base hits, but since signing his contract, he just seems to sit on the bench. Occasionally he will pinch-run for our star pitcher after the pitch count gets too high.
The manager is a blowhard - we all love watching him mix it up with the umpires but it never changes the call. Our lineup still swings at bad pitches while getting called out on strikes. The bullpen sucks and when our star pitcher DOES manage to hold a lead going into the 9th inning, the bullpen almost always blows the lead.
The press conferences are always a fucking disaster. Our guys let the sportswriters treat them with utter disrespect and they just stand there and take it.
But here we are... 17th inning and it looks like our team is going to lose by one run.
Again
Huge disappointment that could have been avoided if the team had just given a little more effort when they first took the field at the beginning of last season. Well, even if our team loses - we may be sad and exhausted - but at least we got into the stadium - some people couldn't even get bleacher seats because of the federally mandated COVID mask edicts.
Forget for a moment that the REALLY good seats aren't even for sale to the general public.
Forget for a second that we had to pay for parking.
Forget for a second that we paid twice as much for a soda than we would have at the gas station.
Forget for a second that the Chinese are selling the same jerseys at half the price and even though the players are bitching about trademark infringement, they are still collecting royalties on ad revenue from deals that they made with the Chinese.
Worst of all - the 17 inning disappointment was just a regular-season game that doesn't really matter because our team is so far out of first place that we will be lucky just to get a wild card shot in the 2022 playoffs. Meanwhile, Phil LeBuster will keep dragging out the game every chance he gets with no resolution and the fans will keep coming to the stadium expecting victory but going home disappointed and exhausted...
...and the manager will keep giving press releases that shift blame from poor player performance and blame it on the other team being unreasonable or obstructive - sort of like cocaine Mitch saying "the next time" republicans get in charge, he's gonna change things by making a deal with Phil LeBuster
In closing, elected representatives are no different than pro athletes - they don't actually represent the fans they just entertain the fans - they are only interested in playing through their contract without getting released and when the price is right - they WILL switch teams if that's what it takes to stay in the game. The filibuster is just like extra innings - all it does is extend the inevitable
Go home sports fans - you've had too much to think.
That was a splendid analysis Box :D
tom kelly
03-21-2021, 14:42
No need to rush, your vote, it's all ready been counted & certified & guess who won?
So what you're saying box is we need more transgender players if we want a winning team.
Badger52
03-21-2021, 18:12
Come with me on a metaphoric journey into a true understanding of this mythologic political superhero name Phil LeBuster......
If Jimmy Stewart ever had to come back and re-shoot a Phil LeBuster scene, he should request be brought to him The Collected and Unexpurgated Works of Box.
So what you're saying box is we need more transgender players if we want a winning team.
I think a team with Kataluna Enriquez, Fallon Fox, CeCé Telfer, Laurel Hubbard, and Rachel McKinnon would be unbeatable.
Get Phil LeBuster to sponsor the event and we are all set
If Jimmy Stewart ever had to come back and re-shoot a Phil LeBuster scene, he should request be brought to him The Collected and Unexpurgated Works of Box.
Don't forget the context of that movie - the only decent guy in the senate was a bumbling idiot that only escaped total ruination through pure luck
That wasn't his only role as a senator - in the other, he had no problem building his empire on the myth of him shooting Liberty Valance.
Even as the good guy, the senator relied on dishonesty and deceit to gain and retain his political power - and in the case of who did or didn't shoot Liberty Valance the media was willingly complicit in keeping the lie alive...
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"
just sayin
Trapper John
03-22-2021, 09:19
Box,
I have been an aficionado of your posts from the beginning of my time here.
You have outdone yourself with this post! I suggest Joker archive this post to bring it out on each anniversary for "Box day" celebrations! :D :lifter
mark46th
03-22-2021, 09:26
All Hail Box!! A great explanation...
Roguish Lawyer
03-22-2021, 13:27
Republicans suck. They are spineless, poodle-walking, hand-wringing, bed-wetting, surrender monkeys.
I'd tell you what I think of Democrats but I'd get tossed off here forever for language and deportment.
Time to focus on the Constitution and the foundation of our great Country. Neither party does this.
++
tom kelly
03-22-2021, 15:21
I do NOT see a difference in the old congressional members of congress. The newer members especially D's are more openly radical but like their older associates are LIARS, The spineless R's are equally corrupt...They are natural liars, They LIE even when there is no advantage to LYING...The top of the list of least respected people are (IMHO) career politicians, who go directly from law School into Political Office and stay there for decades and do nothing for the voters and enrich themselves and family by lying, stealing, cheating, & gaming the system for ever. A few politicians claim to be Independent, eg. Bernie Sanders but that does not make a difference, They are all the same corrupt liars protecting each other until it's back stabbing save yourself time. Turn on the one who seems weak.
Only meet for 4-6 weeks a year, and don't quit your day job there, Skippy. Tends to put focus on the important stuff.
The original idea for the legislature agrees with your point Badger.
... But as the colony increases, the public concerns will increase likewise, and the distance at which the members may be separated, will render it too inconvenient for all of them to meet on every occasion as at first, when their number was small, their habitations near, and the public concerns few and trifling.
This will point out the convenience of their consenting to leave the legislative part to be managed by a select number chosen from the whole body, who are supposed to have the same concerns at stake which those have who appointed them, and who will act in the same manner as the whole body would act were they present.
If the colony continue increasing, it will become necessary to augment the number of the representatives, and that the interest of every part of the colony may be attended to, it will be found best to divide the whole into convenient parts, each part sending its proper number; and that the elected might never form to themselves an interest separate from the electors, prudence will point out the propriety of having elections often; because as the elected might by that means return and mix again with the general body of the electors in a few months, their fidelity to the public will be secured by the prudent reflection of not making a rod for themselves. And as this frequent interchange will establish a common interest with every part of the community, they will mutually and naturally support each other, and on this (not on the unmeaning name of king) depends the strength of government, and the happiness of the governed. -- Thomas Paine
rsdengler
03-23-2021, 09:46
Box,
I have been an aficionado of your posts from the beginning of my time here.
You have outdone yourself with this post! I suggest Joker archive this post to bring it out on each anniversary for "Box day" celebrations! :D :lifter
We need a Coffee Table Book "The Best of Box".......:D
I've been privately badgering Box for a while about writing a book. It's freaking easy!! Hell, I did it; he's actually got talent though.
It'd be a best seller!! Go look up a female writer who wrote: "People I'd like to punch in the face." She's a female version of Box. Funny as hell.
Box'd kill it.
I've been privately badgering Box for a while about writing a book. It's freaking easy!! Hell, I did it; he's actually got talent though.
It'd be a best seller!! Go look up a female writer who wrote: "People I'd like to punch in the face." She's a female version of Box. Funny as hell.
Box'd kill it.
Thinking outside the box ! By the Box. :lifter
1stindoor
03-24-2021, 08:28
Thinking outside the box ! By the Box. :lifter
Perfect!...and as a Forward, "If this offends you, just think about what I kept to myself."
Badger52
03-24-2021, 17:19
I've been privately badgering Box for a while about writing a book. It's freaking easy!! Hell, I did it; he's actually got talent though.
You're too modest, 'cause my bookshelf says otherwise, and God don't make me buy no junk.
Harrumph!
But it's a great idea. The Box Set.
With his sig-line disclaimer and all other warnings removed for the Darwin candidates.
sfshooter
03-25-2021, 23:33
Well now! Someone get that man* a publisher! We have titles for the series now:
THE BOOK OF BOX
THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BY BOX
THE BEST OF BOX (The Coffee Table Edition)
I agree with the above posts, you do have talent sir!
* in order to maintain my wokeness and avoid a ticket to the re-education camps I assume Box's gender as male in this statement only from previous post in which it was garnered that he has retired from a career as a QP and in that time period in order to achieve retirement status there were not female genders, or any of the other gazillion genders allowed in that branch.
If in fact Box now identifies as another gender then I do wholly apologize in advance for my mistake.
* in order to maintain my wokeness and avoid a ticket to the re-education camps I assume Box's gender as male in this statement only from previous post in which it was garnered that he has retired from a career as a QP and in that time period in order to achieve retirement status there were not female genders, or any of the other gazillion genders allowed in that branch.
If in fact Box now identifies as another gender then I do wholly apologize in advance for my mistake.
I have not "retired" - I have transitioned out of the military.
Transitioned - remember that word, I'm going to "circle back" to it.
Late in my career the alphabet of genders (yes, there are now more genders than there are letters in the alphabet - Google it and see for yourself) had broken through the glass ceiling but many of the toxic, cis-gendered white privileged, misogynistic, nationalistic, wrong thinking people that I worked with frowned upon free thinking so I cowered in fear - knowing if I ever revealed my true self there would be hell to pay. The people I worked with are still clinging to their guns and their religion and their antipathy towards others that don't look like them. Some of them even CONTINUE to follow professional sportsball.
When I transitioned - it wasn't just from active duty to "private" contractor. I transitioned from "male" to what I like to refer to as "Box"
There are no acceptable pronouns that can properly encompass the essence of my gender but you can use the following guidelines without offending me...
-My first person pronouns are me-my-MINE.
-My second person pronouns are you-your-yours.
-There cannot be a third person pronoun since there is only one of me but if there were two of us, we would be referred to as "Boxen"
That right - Box is now a gender - my transition is complete. In your faces. Suck it.
I'm Box and I'm PROUD
...and your apology is accepted.
Old Dog New Trick
03-26-2021, 08:45
Boxen or Boxes?
Just clarifying.
rsdengler
03-26-2021, 09:27
All Heil Box.......The 53rd Gender.....or is it higher now?:D
Dear sweet eight pound six ounce newborn baby jesus - did you seriously just type "Heil" as a reply?
Seriously?
Wow.
The senate is NEVER going to let you stand up and pull a talking filibuster with a potty mouth like that...
Mmm... when it comes to naming, I always consult "The Peoples Cube" for "Purity!!"
https://www.thepeoplescube.com/Rhetoric/index.php
Box:
Box, you are a genocidal capitalist whore because you're a heterosexual male who prefers women with shaved legs and armpits! ;)
Badger52
03-26-2021, 20:14
-There cannot be a third person pronoun since there is only one of me but if there were two of us, we would be referred to as "Boxen"
Ja! Ausgezeichnet! :lifter
Und anything other than Male Boxen sind Verboten!
I have not "retired" - I have transitioned out of the military.
Transitioned - remember that word, I'm going to "circle back" to it.
Late in my career the alphabet of genders (yes, there are now more genders than there are letters in the alphabet - Google it and see for yourself) had broken through the glass ceiling but many of the toxic, cis-gendered white privileged, misogynistic, nationalistic, wrong thinking people that I worked with frowned upon free thinking so I cowered in fear - knowing if I ever revealed my true self there would be hell to pay. The people I worked with are still clinging to their guns and their religion and their antipathy towards others that don't look like them. Some of them even CONTINUE to follow professional sportsball.
When I transitioned - it wasn't just from active duty to "private" contractor. I transitioned from "male" to what I like to refer to as "Box"
There are no acceptable pronouns that can properly encompass the essence of my gender but you can use the following guidelines without offending me...
-My first person pronouns are me-my-MINE.
-My second person pronouns are you-your-yours.
-There cannot be a third person pronoun since there is only one of me but if there were two of us, we would be referred to as "Boxen"
That right - Box is now a gender - my transition is complete. In your faces. Suck it.
I'm Box and I'm PROUD
...and your apology is accepted.
Is your box open or closed ? If open you would be five sided, If closed you would be six sided. My apologies if this offends your sense of self and dignity.
Is your box open or closed ? If open you would be five sided, If closed you would be six sided. My apologies if this offends your sense of self and dignity.
No apology needed - however, I feel like you are assuming my dimension.
The boxes you are describing are physical - Box as a gender transcends the existential limits of dimensional and social constructs.
No harm - it's a common mistake.
No apology needed - however, I feel like you are assuming my dimension.
The boxes you are describing are physical - Box as a gender transcends the existential limits of dimensional and social constructs.
No harm - it's a common mistake.
Aww now I understand no dimensional constraints or limited scale, except propagation of new boxed.
BOX! Here, Here!
:munchin