Anthony Fauci then and now

[Paslode]

Last week Mr. Fauci has lambasted President Trump on his handling of the WuHan Flu and how difficult it was to work under President Trump. He now feels liberated working under Joe Biden...I ran across the Chris Stigall Show the other day and briefly listened to his interview with Anthony Fauci on March 23, 2020. To no surprise the Anthony Fauci of then and now are complete opposites.

https://chrisstigall.libsyn.com/podcast-extra-dr-anthony-fauci

[glebo]

And in the meantime Biden sez there's nothing we can do to stem the virus trajectory...:eek:

So now what PL??? Didn't he have some grand plan to save us all?....or is reality setting in..??

[tom kelly]

Back IN BUSINESS, HOW CAN I MAKE SOME MONEY, Is Hunter's 800 number up & ready to sell some influence ?

[cbtengr]

And in the meantime Biden sez there's nothing we can do to stem the virus trajectory...:eek:

So now what PL??? Didn't he have some grand plan to save us all?....or is reality setting in..??

He just got in office for God's sake, give him a break.

[NurseTim]

And in the meantime Biden sez there's nothing we can do to stem the virus trajectory...:eek:

So now what PL??? Didn't he have some grand plan to save us all?....or is reality setting in..??

No, that was cancer. :cool:

[NurseTim]

He just got in office for God's sake, give him a break.

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=0wG_h3U568w

[glebo]

He just got in office for God's sake, give him a break.

Pffft, that dude's had a break for the past 47 yrs...:rolleyes:

[Badger52]

And in the meantime Biden sez there's nothing we can do to stem the virus trajectory...:eek:

So now what PL??? Didn't he have some grand plan to save us all?....or is reality setting in..??In my opinion sir, they still need the flu. When they have in place some of the things on their agenda I presume that's when Fauci will get the go-ahead to tell the labs to drop their Cycle Thresholds for the PCR tests. (I don't pretend to know their agenda, I just don't trust them.)

Then positivity drops (also false positives), cases drop, actual total mortality might not drop but at least the cause of death will reflect what was REALLY wrong, so Covid deaths will decline.
Deus ex machina! All hail Uncle Joe.

In the interest of fair play, for all Americans ("not just the ones that voted for me"), he can own the stats as well. Since the inauguration another 10,623 have died.

[Box]

Him and Biden should be getting their Nobel Nominations before too much longer...

[glebo]

Him and Biden should be getting their Nobel Nominations before too much longer...

Speaking of NPP's, when are we gonna find out if Trump won any of his three nominations?? :lifter Isn't it around March or so when they do that???

[Box]

The 2020 award was given in December - it went to the U.N. Word Food Programme

There is no way on hells-half-acre that the globalists will ever award the Nobel Political Prize to President Trump. HIs Virtue Signal just doesn't have the right transmitter to comminate on that wavelength.

Biden and Harris both have better chances of scoring the 2021 Nobel Political Prize based purely on their first 72 hours in the White House.


In fact - that name is racist - it should be changed to the Democratic Peoples Republic House.

[Swoop]

Biden and Harris both have better chances of scoring the 2021 Nobel Political Prize based purely on their first 72 hours

They will probably get it for saving the US from the KungFlu plague.....and don’t forget the deplorables, AKA “bunch of white supremacists”.

[rsdengler]

Biden and Harris both have better chances of scoring the 2021 Nobel Political Prize




Then they should rename the Nobel Prize to "Nobel Depends and Scuffed Knee Pads Prize".....:munchin

[Costa]

Just read an article that Tony pulled in the highest government salary this past year.. even over POTUS.

If anyone has a chance to, check out the "House of Numbers" video about AIDS. Has a lot of popular faces, Fauci among them. You can find the whole video on *******
...for now.

[Ret10Echo]

Merck Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $22,570,328

Pfizer Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $16,202,515

AstraZeneca Chief Executive Officer: $18,500,000

Fauci: $417,608

[rsdengler]

Merck Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $22,570,328

Pfizer Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $16,202,515

AstraZeneca Chief Executive Officer: $18,500,000

Fauci: $417,608

That's ridiculous and so many people have lost their jobs and livelihood through all this shit. Not one of those individuals should get a dime and either should the Politician's in office who did absolutely nothing to earn a single penny. We get screwed all the time, it's sickening.... :munchin

[Trapper John]

Merck Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $22,570,328

Pfizer Chief Executive Officer: Total Compensation $16,202,515

AstraZeneca Chief Executive Officer: $18,500,000

Fauci: $417,608

And the point is??? :rolleyes:

[Ret10Echo]

And the point is??? :rolleyes:

Perspective within the industry... Not looking at Fauci as a government bureaucrat, but as the CEO of a 20,000 plus employee organization with a $41 Bn budget

[tonyz]

Perspective within the industry... Not looking at Fauci as a government bureaucrat, but as the CEO of a 20,000 plus employee organization with a $41 Bn budget

Make no mistake though - Fauci is a big government bureaucrat. He’s actually more like a politician with an MD at this phase.

No matter how big the budget nor how many employees - he walks, talks and acts like a bureaucrat.

[LongWire]

What would his salary be at a major med center? I’m sure it would be comparable. How do you get people of worth to work for government if you don’t pay them reasonably for their time and level of responsibility?

Agree or disagree with the man, he is a trained professional very near the top of his industry. I’m sure he could be working as the head of any of those pharmaceuticals for those big bonus schedules, instead he’s chosen to stay in government.

For that he gets to draw the ire of half the country to include death threats?

I’ll wait and see what they can accomplish this yr....ymmv

[Costa]

Make no mistake though - Fauci is a big government bureaucrat. He’s actually more like a politician with an MD at this phase.

No matter how big the budget nor how many employees - he walks, talks and acts like a bureaucrat.

This is the root of my issue with him/his position. No doubt, those with his education and experience make similar amounts of money and more. However for Fauci to represent himself as an impartial voice in a position of public trust is nonsense.

Admittedly, at that level there is hardly anyone without inherent conflicts of interest in any industry. But that speaks to why there are so many disclosure laws on the books, and also why "drain the swamp" was such a popular idea.

[Box]

Public service SHOULD NOT be profitable
for anyone

I don't care if you are an esteemed scientist that invented time travel and discovered parallel universes while simultaneously solving male pattern baldness and premature ejaculation - there should be no chance of grand enrichment or profit motive attached to government service.

It is the very fucking nature of the word "service"
If you want to serve - serve - if you want to be a high paid millionaire public personality - get a job in the private sector.

If you want to serve - serve- there is nothing that says a life of service to the nation cannot command a fair salary for your talents and efforts but making public service profitable is what has fucked up our country so catastrophically

The annual salary for a member of the US Congress is 174,000 dollars.
Yet the the majority of America's elected officials in Washington, D.C. are millionaires - in part because they can abuse insider trading laws to invest their paltry salary figures while spending taxpayer funding to cover most of their daily activities
as well as having a taxpayer funded slush fund to pay for their legal indiscretions
also in part because they are morally and ethically corrupt but lets put a pin in that discussion for now....


The public faces seen on TV over the last years doing what is essentially public lobbying for increased funding in their departments is shameful - it is a sign of how fucking incompetent our nations elected officials really are.

Manage your OWN affairs the same way that our 535 elected legislators manage our national affairs and you would find yourself in debtors prison.
...or locked up with Martha Stewart for insider trading
...or convicted for tax evasion like Steven Baldwin, Nicolas Cage, Pete Rose, Willie Nelson, Ja rule, Wesley Snipes, Darryl Strawberry, or the legions of common peasants that get fucked over by the IRS

What did Leona Helmsley say all those years ago, "Only little people pay taxes." ??
Ha fuck off little people - peasant - eat cake mother fuckers

Keep that "Only little people pay taxes." comment in mind as you ponder the fact that the average net worth of our 535 criminal legislators is upwards of 10 million dollars. Some of them are worth 10 times that amount. I'm sure its because they all have such well managed and lucrative professions outside of politics - even though their adult life has been spent profiting from politics.


"Public Service" my ass...

[Trapper John]

What would his salary be at a major med center? I’m sure it would be comparable. How do you get people of worth to work for government if you don’t pay them reasonably for their time and level of responsibility?

Agree or disagree with the man, he is a trained professional very near the top of his industry. I’m sure he could be working as the head of any of those pharmaceuticals for those big bonus schedules, instead he’s chosen to stay in government.

For that he gets to draw the ire of half the country to include death threats?

I’ll wait and see what they can accomplish this yr....ymmv

I’m sure he could be working as the head of any of those pharmaceuticals for those big bonus schedules Not a snowball's chance in hell! :p

Tony is a fine academic virologist. He is a practical example of the " Peter Principle" MOO YMMV

[JJ_BPK]

Perspective within the industry... Not looking at Fauci as a government bureaucrat, but as the CEO of a 20,000 plus employee organization with a $41 Bn budget

Perspective??

PSA:

Did you know???

Of the 4,000,000 or so federal employees,, who has the highest salary??



Dr. Anthony Fauci is the federal government's top-paid employee

and made $18,000 more than Trump in 2019

Grace Dean, Jan 26, 2021, 7:06 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-fauci-salary-government-top-paid-employee-president-salary-money-2021-1



I didn't 🤬

May be why Fauci doesn't think his shit stinks?? 🤬

[Ret10Echo]

Cool

We'll be better off with some guy deciding stuff for $15 an hour

Should work great 😉

[rsdengler]

Public service SHOULD NOT be profitable
for anyone


"Public Service" my ass...

Yep....it definitely has something to do with our asses and it sure does sting...;)

[bblhead672]

I read that Fauci in all his experience has only about a year of actual medical practice time..the rest of his career is all government bureaucrat.

[GratefulCitizen]

“Rule by the experts” is getting to be a worse problem all the time.

Experts, in whatever field, can advise on the likely consequences of a particular course of action.
That is not the same thing as deciding which course of action should be taken.

The former is an expert opinion.
The latter is a political decision.

Political decisions are made all the time which weigh the cost in blood and treasure for the potential benefit.
All of this has to also be done within the constraints of the Constitution, or else the whole system eventually collapses.

“Experts” have become unelected unaccountable political actors who may exaggerate in one direction or another to sway political decisions towards their desired outcomes.
The outcome is always the same: corruption, because power corrupts.

[Ret10Echo]

“Rule by the experts” is getting to be a worse problem all the time.

Experts, in whatever field, can advise on the likely consequences of a particular course of action.
That is not the same thing as deciding which course of action should be taken.

The former is an expert opinion.
The latter is a political decision.

Political decisions are made all the time which weigh the cost in blood and treasure for the potential benefit.
All of this has to also be done within the constraints of the Constitution, or else the whole system eventually collapses.

“Experts” have become unelected unaccountable political actors who may exaggerate in one direction or another to sway political decisions towards their desired outcomes.
The outcome is always the same: corruption, because power corrupts.

GC... Respectfully...

I would suggest that the use of "Czars" unilaterally appointed by the White House is indeed problematic.

This should not lump-in appointees that are within the structure of government.

Going against the tide in here. We don't want lowest cost, technically feasible result in this. You can rail against the Swamp all you want but believe it or not there are some roles and positions in government that are actually important and impactful.

Fauci has been running NAIAD since 1984 He started under the most Republicans of Republicans for those of you who buy into the two party bullshit. I figure he's pretty good at his job.

I'm also pretty certain that he had ZERO interest in getting drug into this frantic bullshit and partisan politics of COVID.

Just saying.... :D


From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world's most frequently-cited scientists across all scientific journals

[GratefulCitizen]

GC... Respectfully...

I would suggest that the use of "Czars" unilaterally appointed by the White House is indeed problematic.

This should not lump-in appointees that are within the structure of government.

Going against the tide in here. We don't want lowest cost, technically feasible result in this. You can rail against the Swamp all you want but believe it or not there are some roles and positions in government that are actually important and impactful.

Fauci has been running NAIAD since 1984 He started under the most Republicans of Republicans for those of you who buy into the two party bullshit. I figure he's pretty good at his job.

I'm also pretty certain that he had ZERO interest in getting drug into this frantic bullshit and partisan politics of COVID.

Just saying.... :D

I agree that these experts don’t really want to get dragged into this stuff.
But they do have an opinion on what they think is the best course of action, usually influenced by what is considered the “best” outcome in their specialty.

Because they are specialists, other conflicting considerations in the bigger picture are outside their expertise.
This is why we (ideally) have generalists, accountable by the people, to consider all aspects before choosing a course of action.

To be fair, calling them corrupt is probably a bit much.
It’s also unfair for those with political responsibility to hide behind them.

I do believe most of these experts are intelligent, competent in their fields, and mean well.
But even if they do know best some of the time, it is a dangerous precedent to invest de facto political power in a non-political office.

[tonyz]

Cool

We'll be better off with some guy deciding stuff for $15 an hour

Should work great ��

Respectfully, we could probably recruit at least a half dozen competent folks who would gladly perform Dr. Fauci’s job for the same salary (or substantially less)...they would actually perform the same job function, at least at the same level of competence, equally as well, and not moan about it at all.

Admittedly, that may only be true for a few years though - not a few decades like Dr. Fauci. But, I don’t really see a problem.

Actually, the right person can be recruited to take a high-level government job to leverage that GOVERNMENT experience back in the private sector. In my experience, it really is true that just about EVERYONE is replaceable. It may hurt for a short time but most everyone can be successfully replaced. I’ll give you that Dr. Fauci might be pretty good at his job. But, he can be replaced...probably for less.

This notion of replacement is however not new, about a hundred years ago, I actually sat on a compensation committee for an Executive Director in government service who made high 6 figure money. After years of stories that she could not be replaced...she was eventually (successfully) replaced by a MUCH better, younger, cheaper, female version.

To quote Box:

“It is the very fucking nature of the word "service"
If you want to serve - serve - if you want to be a high paid millionaire public personality - get a job in the private sector.”

The truth is, there are many competent retired (or semi-retired) folks (and even high level assistant folks)...Dr. Fauci has reportedly been in the position for decades...and virtually no one is irreplaceable.

Moreover, HIGHLY competent folks who want out of the corporate rat race (even if temporarily) can be recruited and will do a given government job temporarily (this is based on personal experience admittedly not at Fauci’s level).

However, in my experience, the false narrative that GOVERNMENT SERVICE must pay the same as the private sector in order to get good people is bullshit. I personally bit the bullet twice and never expected the same paycheck. I simply fixed some shit and moved on. I saw a number of folks who did this.

Similarly, I had a (very talented) colleague who stayed in government service and made it to a very high level but who (for a variety of reasons) could be nothing but average in the private sector. He knew it and stayed in government. It was a win, win, win.

These are two very different worlds (private and public) and are often compensated accordingly.

I’m sorry, but you caught me at a time in my life when I truly believe that far too many government “experts” - and their idiotic policies - have fucked up this nation...perhaps irreparably.

[Ret10Echo]

I agree that these experts don’t really want to get dragged into this stuff.
But they do have an opinion on what they think is the best course of action, usually influenced by what is considered the “best” outcome in their specialty.

Because they are specialists, other conflicting considerations in the bigger picture are outside their expertise.
This is why we (ideally) have generalists, accountable by the people, to consider all aspects before choosing a course of action.

To be fair, calling them corrupt is probably a bit much.
It’s also unfair for those with political responsibility to hide behind them.

I do believe most of these experts are intelligent, competent in their fields, and mean well.
But even if they do know best some of the time, it is a dangerous precedent to invest de facto political power in a non-political office.

GC

I am in violent agreement on the politicizing of everything and the resultant expectation that the people can "fire" someone layers deep inside the system.

I'll get back on my soapbox here for a moment. This man was dragged...Fuck*(%& dragged into a spotlight. It's not the role of someone layers deep within an agency to be so exposed.....It's like asking the distribution warehouse manager to suddenly speak on a national shipping issue. I figure that guy or gal would grudgingly provide a response.

I'll offer this....

We as citizens are subject to the whims of the career civil servants (your Non-politicals) every single day. When you build a system that pukes out policy you can not be surprised by the fact that they puke out policy.

Who you can hold responsible are your elected officials.

Cheers

[Ret10Echo]

Respectfully, we could probably recruit at least a half dozen competent folks who would gladly perform Dr. Fauci’s job for the same salary (or substantially less)...they would actually perform the same job function, at least at the same level of competence, equally as well, and not moan about it at all.

Admittedly, that may only be true for a few years though - not a few decades like Dr. Fauci. But, I don’t really see a problem.

Actually, the right person can be recruited to take a high-level government job to leverage that GOVERNMENT experience back in the private sector. In my experience, it really is true that just about EVERYONE is replaceable. It may hurt for a short time but most everyone can be successfully replaced. I’ll give you that Dr. Fauci might be pretty good at his job. But, he can be replaced...probably for less.

This notion of replacement is however not new, about a hundred years ago, I actually sat on a compensation committee for an Executive Director in government service who made high 6 figure money. After years of stories that she could not be replaced...she was eventually (successfully) replaced by a MUCH better, younger, cheaper, female version.

To quote Box:

“It is the very fucking nature of the word "service"
If you want to serve - serve - if you want to be a high paid millionaire public personality - get a job in the private sector.”

The truth is, there are many competent retired (or semi-retired) folks (and even high level assistant folks)...Dr. Fauci has reportedly been in the position for decades...and virtually no one is irreplaceable.

Moreover, HIGHLY competent folks who want out of the corporate rat race (even if temporarily) can be recruited and will do a given government job temporarily (this is based on personal experience admittedly not at Fauci’s level).

However, in my experience, the false narrative that GOVERNMENT SERVICE must pay the same as the private sector in order to get good people is bullshit. I personally bit the bullet twice and never expected the same paycheck. I simply fixed some shit and moved on. I saw a number of folks who did this.

Similarly, I had a (very talented) colleague who stayed in government service and made it to a very high level but who (for a variety of reasons) could be nothing but average in the private sector. He knew it and stayed in government. It was a win, win, win.

These are two very different worlds (private and public) and are often compensated accordingly.

I’m sorry, but you caught me at a time in my life when I truly believe that far too many government “experts” - and their idiotic policies - have fucked up this nation...perhaps irreparably.

Thanks Tony

I should start out by saying that I am a taxpayer...so the pain that we all feel exists with me. I figure I'm paying for 2.5 illegal families to live comfortably.

Secondly, I come from the subculture of American society call "the military" who are expected to work for nothing but do everything.

I believe that our problem is one of choice...

Here is what I offer... and this is nothing different than finding a roofer to fix a leak or put a new roof on you house.

I had a metal roof put on the house a couple years ago. I chose to put a superior product on the roof.....in the near term the result is pretty much the same....in the long term it will pay benefit.

So what is the long game here?

To take your example, the best Government can hope for is "average" as the exemplars will be within industry. Government cannot compete financially.

What government is dependent upon are those that are sacrificial or incompetent... They either feel that there is a purpose to the public sector or they are incompetent within the private.

Where do YOU place Fauci?

Cheers

[tonyz]

Ret10Echo,

I certainly respect institutional knowledge. I identified that as a strength when advising governmental agencies. Sometimes, that institutional knowledge was a critical strength - sometimes it was inappropriately used as a weapon against taxpayers. The culture of government bureaucracies sometimes missed the SERVICE part a bit.

However, as you so correctly point out, generally speaking government does not pay the same as the private sector. But, IMHO (experience) government, generally speaking, does not work nearly the same (as hard) as a similar role in the private sector.

Most of the folks who I worked with in government service did so for a variety of good reasons - but not the least of which was the reduced demand when compared with the private sector. That was a well known and a much appreciated trade off. That was also a powerful recruiting point for BOTH private and public employers.

My observations on public versus private are based on my experience starting when my dad got me a full time job as a high school kid for a government organization (I was sent home for working hard - with pay - only to receive my father’s boot in my ass - telling me to get back to work...long story) and my observations continued into adulthood when I worked in/with various offices of governmental agencies. The work loads and the pressures are decidedly different. And, yes so is the pay.

Most importantly, there is a HUGE difference in culture between public and private.

Some folks are cut out to be a career bureaucrat and some folks are not (and some are exemplary public servants and for those we are truly thankful). We need both...but they need not be compensated similarly to get good people in government. That is my experience. There are always exceptions.

Dr. Fauci is a longtime public servant (now politician). The career opportunities for him in private undoubtably existed...would he have billions in budget and tens of thousands in employees???...who knows...but (unless he owned the firm) odds are that he would not be there for decades in private.

[Joker]

I trust an 18D more than this assclown.

[RCummings]

As I have been following this conversation I was struck by the experience and thought process of the members of this forum. Then I read Jokers thought and said to myself, why do I agree with that thought, why would I trust an 18D? That Dr. Fauci is an assclown. After thinking for a bit to understand why I would view the statement as the most accurate for me after all of the well written comments I came to the conclusion that it is the individuals motivation thru my own lens. Motivation from members here, GBs, have always been to help, not some agenda. Dr. Fauci has stepped into the arena and I have no patience for people who cry foul or are receiving death threats and continue to stand in the arena and, in my opinion, push an agenda. I strongly disagree with what has been done to this country under the guise of "your safety" or "keep others safe". There has been very very few times when I have seen academic education equal "smart". Normally the person who is "the smartest in the room" has simply not been exposed to the consequences of their actions. Yes, I trust a GB and have in the past and will in the future trust an 18D because of the motivation shown by those individuals.

V/R

[Ret10Echo]

I trust an 18D more than this assclown.

Absolutely and without question

[Old Dog New Trick]

Okay, I have an anecdotal experience to share here, (and part of the reason I have been calling Fauci an idiot in the “Wuhan Virus” thread since about March of last year, or maybe ever since he opened his mouth and sh!t spewed out.)

When I was young 18D and Senior Medical Sergeant in SF, I spent four days here: https://afrims.amedd.army.mil/viro-kavru.html in Bangkok on a deployment to Thailand. In those four days I learned more about malaria and dengue fever from leading experts in the field of virology disease, transmission, signs/symptoms/identification (lab) and how to control the spread and the proper use and methods of prophylactics/treatments and use of available medications without doing more harm than good - that was an important take away - more harm than good. This was everything we covered in 300-F1/Lab in so much more detail and so understandable that I was now much better suited to go out into the field and take this information and use it. And having seen hundreds of indigenous peoples of all ages suffering from both malaria and dengue fever and being able to help them is what us medics did...without all the hours and years it takes to become a “real” doctor that doesn’t really get to experience the things an 18D will at the lowest village level of care.

Does it make me an expert? No. Does it give me a higher level of experience than the average lay person who works day in and day out in a hospital maybe, maybe not. But I said an anecdotal story...

One day in the “Team Room” a fellow GB from another team had just returned from a deployment to SEA (somewhere,) he came to work talking about how he felt and that he had now already been to Madigan Army Hospital three times, and three times the lab and doctors had not diagnosed his condition. He explained his fever and chills and headaches and how they came on every few days and then went away again... the four of us, me, my Jr, and his medic all looked at each other and said “dude, you have malaria, give me some blood and lets see what type.” So we pulled out the microscope (we never used) dropped some blood on a slide and slid it under the lens...yep right there swimming around all over the place was P. Falciparum malaria.

Told him to return to the hospital and tell the doctor, “I have malaria, I have this type of malaria and you should tell the lab to do a manual blood test”...well they did and found it. You see the highly sophisticated million dollar laboratory was never set up to identify something as common as malaria is in some parts of the world because in Washington (state) they don’t see malaria so they don’t look.

He recovered, although the extra couple of weeks did do more damage to his liver than was necessary. And it was a great reminder for all of us to watch out and watch over our own people because technology sometimes can’t.




Dr’s. Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Gupta, and those at the FDA may all be better, smarter, and more qualified than me to make decisions about how to deal with something called “Novel” but to me a “novel” is a good book like the “Hot Zone” about the worldwide spread of Ebola and how an infected person got on an airplane and flew to New York and infected every person he came into contact with and they infected everyone they came into contact with and so on...and everyone died a horrific bloody spewing mess, and the janitor came in and cleaned it all up and went home!

Oh wait, that could never happen here, we are so much smarter than everyone else...we have an entire medical center in Nebraska now to deal with “bringing people from Africa with Ebola so they can be treated”...Thanks Dr. Fauci, treating them in Africa was as effective as letting people with HIV continue to have unprotected sex, because they took the proper meds...Dr. Fauci has been there for all of this...he has a winning track record - NOT!

What could go wrong letting known sick and infected people off a cruise ship where they were contained, and transport them to an old facility in Rose Mount California, and another place near Houston Texas...where they are seen and treated by people that go home at night?

BTW, he was right before he was wrong...masks don’t work and people should not have run out and purchased something that is now so mandatory that they kick a 2-year old off every plane for not wearing one. Now he says that one mask may not be enough so wear two...please make up your mind the world is watching! 20-million Americans and billions more worldwide have believed that wearing a mask will help control the spread of an airborne pathogen 10X smaller than the smallest blood borne bacteria or dust particle that a mask is capable of capturing. If masks worked how come the “two week curve” has lasted one year already? (I have never in my lifetime seen the compulsory use of wearing a mask so widely accepted and adhered too, simply been amazing to see...I wonder if they will be so lucky getting us all to turn in all our other freedoms?)

And we have cured cancer, COPD, Lung disease, Heart disease, influenza, pneumonia, opioid overdose deaths and self inflicted GSW all in the same year...OUTSTANDING! Take a bow! :rolleyes:

[PSM]

Oops! Now HCQ is good:

https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1354936464254107650

So, DJT was right from the beginning. Early on I saw a map that showed that where malaria was, China Flu wasn't. I took quinine early on, and now have orange juice and tonic water every morning. And, maybe a vodka tonic on the deck to watch the sunset occasionally. Also vit. D3 even though we do get sun here in the winter. In 2005, Tiny Fauci called HCQ a miracle drug for COVID-2 (SARS).

[Badger52]

Okay, I have an anecdotal experience to share here, (and part of the reason I have been calling Fauci an idiot in the “Wuhan Virus” thread since about March of last year, or maybe ever since he opened his mouth and sh!t spewed out.)Thank you for that whole post. It attests why, hereabouts anyway, so many will say "I trust an 18D more than those quacks..." or words to that effect.

We (much of the world actually) talked about this during the HCQ topic as it came up in the past year, and the conflict between dogma from the white-coated high priests vs. the results in the field seen by practicing clinicians. It was clearly a case of Fauci saying, "who you gonna believe? Me, or your lyin' eyes?"

[Trapper John]

Oops! Now HCQ is good:

https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1354936464254107650

So, DJT was right from the beginning. Early on I saw a map that showed that where malaria was, China Flu wasn't. I took quinine early on, and now have orange juice and tonic water every morning. And, maybe a vodka tonic on the deck to watch the sunset occasionally. Also vit. D3 even though we do get sun here in the winter. In 2005, Tiny Fauci called HCQ a miracle drug for COVID-2 (SARS).

We can't let a treatment that is <1$ cannibalize the multi billion $ investment in monoclonal antibody therapies now can we?? :mad: Exactly the same problem ODNT described. ;)

[NurseTim]

I can’t remember, did the powers that be advise that masks were effective “when used properly”? Or just that masks were effective?

I remember being stopped at costco when masks were first advised. They detained me so a manager could make the call of whether to let me go in maskless or not. While wait, the employee kept futzing with her mask. Touching the outside like a horny teen with his first tit. I advised her against the practice, but what did a stranger know.

I think masks might have helped slow the spread initially, but the initial statement that they were no good, slammed the door on that strategy.

I had LEO’s chiming in that if only one mask was available, it always went on the prisoner. Well, most all cases were TB, larger than the bat soup croup virus.

Then people talking about surgeons wearing them during surgery. A clueless statement as they wear them to protect the patient from their bacteria, not the surgeon from the patient.

Fauci, stepped on his johnson twice, and like LEOs, get caught lying once, you might as well turn in the badge, because they will never be believed again. He lied, twice. I wouldn’t believe him, not that I ever did.

[tom kelly]

The CEO of PFIZER only makes $22 million + benefits, After the Taxpayers foot the bill for the PFIZER BIONTECH mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine will he get a bonus ? The Federal minimum wage was pushed up to $15.00/hour via Executive Order signed by Joe Biden....Has Hunter been appointed to the Board of Directors of PFIZER yet.? Take care of the "Big Guy"....

[Old Dog New Trick]

NurseTim,

I wouldn’t want to speculate on who said what and when because so many people were saying things that just about everybody who knew something was counterproductive to the argument for or against. And much of that came directly from Anthony Fauci’s mouth at one time or another. Each federal department was saying something different than the other and then there were hundreds of “medical professionals” on TV telling everyone to freak out - oh and then there was Andrew Coumo with his medical degree sitting in front of tons of PPE saying he didn’t have any PPE from the president.

You and I both know the benefits and limitations of various medical grade masks and also that they have a specified use to discard time (even in a surgical suite under optimal conditions they are good for only a couple/few hours.) Higher grade masks like an N-95 according to the manufacture says when properly worn and used they are to be discarded after eight hours or one time use.

I’ve always said what they told people to do and use for a mask/facial coverings has probably added to the disease transmission rate of the virus because it gave a false sense of control/protection and everyone touches their face more, and probably stopped washing their hands.

JMHO

[Badger52]

NurseTim,

I wouldn’t want to speculate on who said what and when because so many people were saying things that just about everybody who knew something was counterproductive to the argument for or against. And much of that came directly from Anthony Fauci’s mouth at one time or another. Each federal department was saying something different than the other and then there were hundreds of “medical professionals” on TV telling everyone to freak out - oh and then there was Andrew Coumo with his medical degree sitting in front of tons of PPE saying he didn’t have any PPE from the president.

You and I both know the benefits and limitations of various medical grade masks and also that they have a specified use to discard time (even in a surgical suite under optimal conditions they are good for only a couple/few hours.) Higher grade masks like an N-95 according to the manufacture says when properly worn and used they are to be discarded after eight hours or one time use.

I’ve always said what they told people to do and use for a mask/facial coverings has probably added to the disease transmission rate of the virus because it gave a false sense of control/protection and everyone touches their face more, and probably stopped washing their hands.

JMHOAm with you. I wonder* if anyone will be taking off the $6k worth of masks PER PERSON - assuming consumption at a rate consistent with proper use duration - on their Schedule A. "Medical aids"

* Neither an accountant nor paid spokesperson. Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited.