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Paslode
01-11-2021, 20:57
A little drama from Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO)....


An urgent briefing between a member of the House Armed Services Committee and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy has revealed new details about the tense timeline of sending National Guard troops to the scene of the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol siege, and steps taken in the aftermath.

Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colo., joined another veteran on the committee, Arizona Democrat Ruben Gallego, in calling for the briefing with McCarthy. National Guard troops from Washington, D.C.; Maryland; and Virginia took hours to get their deployment orders, prompting questions and criticism about the response.

Crow, a former Army Ranger, found himself forced to take cover with lawmakers when the pro-Trump mob overwhelmed security. By his own accounts, he instructed other members of Congress to remove their pins so they couldn't be identified, and secured a pen in his pocket, thinking he might need to use it as a weapon.

"I haven't felt that way in over 15 years, since I was a Ranger in Iraq and Afghanistan," Crow said in an interview on CNN's "New Day."

On Sunday afternoon, he released a readout of his call with McCarthy from earlier that day, detailing what took place at the Defense Department during the siege and how the Guard is now planning for President-elect Joe Biden's Jan. 20 inauguration.

McCarthy told Crow that at least 25 domestic terrorism cases had been opened following the Capitol assaults, according to the readout, and that weapons including long guns, explosive devices and Molotov Cocktails were recovered, "which suggests a greater disaster was narrowly averted."

"[McCarthy] indicated that DoD is aware of further possible threats posed by would-be terrorists in the days up to and including Inauguration Day and is working with local and federal law enforcement to coordinate security preparations," the readout states.

While Crow's report says the two did discuss operational deployments and planning for security around the inauguration, he did not release specifics, citing security reasons.

Crow asked McCarthy that military members involved in the riot -- some military veterans have already been identified as participants -- receive fast-tracked investigation and courts-martial. He also made an unusual request: that the Army's Criminal Investigation Command review National Guard troops who are deployed for the inauguration "to ensure that deployed members are not sympathetic to domestic terrorists."

"Secretary McCarthy agreed to take additional measures," the readout states.

McCarthy added that he's willing to testify publicly about events and preparations if permitted by top brass.

Prior to demonstrations and the Capitol break-in, just 340 D.C. National Guard troops had been approved for "traffic control," according to the readout, and Capitol Police had not requested reinforcements from the Defense Department as they prepared for a rally expected to number in the low thousands.

As the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" rally turned, for some, into an effort to storm the Capitol and disrupt the ceremonial tallying of electoral votes, McCarthy said the Defense Department "realized there were a far greater number of participants than in previous gatherings," according to the readout.

In calls with McCarthy and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley that took place minutes before 2 p.m., Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser and U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund requested urgent, but non-specific, support, according to the readout.

It took an hour and 10 minutes for McCarthy, Milley, Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller and National Guard Bureau Chief Gen. Daniel Hokanson to process and concur on the "unfolding situation at the Capitol" and approve deployment of Guard assets, including the full mobilization of the D.C. National Guard.

"Due to a lack of coordination and preparation, there was not a functioning operations center in the Pentagon to manage the Guard presence and direct additional resources, leaving senior DoD officials to manage the situation by tracking down previously unknown contacts of local law enforcement and making ad hoc calls in an office environment," the readout states.

Crow cited his appreciation for McCarthy's candor, and said he would continue work to review command authority for the D.C. Guard "to ensure that it is responsive to the needs of its constituents and integrated with local law enforcement like every other Guard unit in the nation."

-- Hope Hodge Seck can be reached at hope.seck@military.com. Follow her on Twitter at @HopeSeck.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/10/lawmaker-army-secretary-investigate-troops-deploying-inauguration-domestic-terror-sympathies.html

ABN_FO
01-11-2021, 21:23
If it was me I would plan for, but wouldn't expect too much serious resistance from NG anyway, regardless of where their loyalties may lay.

Joker
01-12-2021, 14:08
I saw, elsewhere, some Rangers clamoring for his tab to be pulled...THAT won't happen but he sure does come across as a clown, well he is in the two-ring circus called congress.

tom kelly
01-12-2021, 15:09
Jason Crow (D) the former U S Army Ranger describing how he stepped-up & was prepared to use his ball-point pen as a "weapon" to defend the Capital, just what is needed in DC another self-serving politician.

Penn
01-12-2021, 17:33
Ok, Rep Crow, I'm sure you earned your CIB the hard way.

I post this in another thread it garnered zero response. I'm post it again here, because its the fucking bottom line.

WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN A FABULOUS SCENE IF JUST ONE REPRESENTITIVE OR SENATOR REFUSED TO EVACUATE THE BUILDING, BUT INSTEAD, STOOD IN THE DOOR AND SAID NO.

That opportunity would make a career, maybe even a future President, that fact that it did not happen, states to me, there are no leaders in the house or senate.

Old Dog New Trick
01-12-2021, 18:03
Ok, Rep Crow, I'm sure you earned your CIB the hard way.

I post this in another thread it garnered zero response. I'm post it again here, because its the fucking bottom line.



That opportunity would make a career, maybe even a future President, that fact that it did not happen, states to me, there are no leaders in the house or senate.

There actually is one Penn, his name is Troy Nehls and he’s from Fort Bend (Houston) Texas. He used to be the Sheriff but got elected this year to the House. He stood in the door inside the House Chamber and told the people looking through the broken glass just how wrong they were. He’s the one in the blue dress shirt in one of the often used pictures where agents or plain clothed USCP are holding guns to the door.

Penn
01-12-2021, 18:07
Well, God Bless him, he needs a very good PR promotion within the Republican Party, its the only way to deflect and reassume control and authority.

Old Dog New Trick
01-12-2021, 18:08
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/That-looks-like-Troy-Fort-Bend-Congressman-15854618.php

Penn
01-12-2021, 18:24
ODNT, its a NG, need to subscribe, maybe you can cut and Paste.

Old Dog New Trick
01-12-2021, 18:32
ODNT, its a NG, need to subscribe, maybe you can cut and Paste.

Try this one

https://www.click2houston.com/news/politics/2021/01/07/un-american-us-rep-nehls-recalls-exchange-he-had-with-mob-storming-captiol-as-he-helped-barricade-house-doors/

Penn
01-12-2021, 18:48
Got it, Thank you.

cat in the hat
01-12-2021, 19:09
I saw, elsewhere, some Rangers clamoring for his tab to be pulled...THAT won't happen but he sure does come across as a clown, well he is in the two-ring circus called congress.

I have never been a Ranger, never went to Ranger school but I served with a few and appreciate what that means.

when he first ran a few years ago I went to a rally and actually got handed the mic.

Question was "would you please clarify what Ranger Bn you served in?"

His answer was more double speak and I was shown the door.

TOMAHAWK9521
01-12-2021, 20:28
I have never been a Ranger, never went to Ranger school but I served with a few and appreciate what that means.

when he first ran a few years ago I went to a rally and actually got handed the mic.

Question was "would you please clarify what Ranger Bn you served in?"

His answer was more double speak and I was shown the door.

SILENCE, YOU!!! :eek:
Who is this?
What’s your operating number?
What do you mean, ‘What Ranger Bn did I serve in?’”
No further questions. Now go away, kid, you’re bothering me. :p

TOMAHAWK9521
02-07-2021, 00:09
This guy's name popped up again so I looked for more details. I have no idea how officer career paths work but it seems he served only 4 years (2002-2006) as a PL in the 82nd and still had enough time remaining to be able to jump over to 2/75. As for two deployment with 2/75, the 75th eventually transitioned to 90 day rotations but I don't know how early in the war they made that adjustment.

miclo18d
02-07-2021, 00:51
This guy's name popped up again so I looked for more details. I have no idea how offer career paths work but it seems he served only 4 years (2002-2006) as a PL in the 82nd and still had enough time remaining to be able to jump over to 2/75. As for two deployment with 2/75, the 75th eventually transitioned to 90 day rotations but I don't know call how early in the war they made that adjustment.

From the start.

TOMAHAWK9521
02-07-2021, 11:15
First off, I shouldn’t try typing when falling asleep. Good Lord, was my spelling and grammar bad on that last post.

So they made that rotation schedule from the beginning? I didn’t realize that. I could have sworn they were over there for a lot longer. I do recall hearing that the 75th switched to deploying individual companies instead of battalions to deal with the OPTEMPO or was that from the start as well?

miclo18d
02-07-2021, 20:59
At the onset they may have deployed whole bns. By 2002 they were already deploying companies for 3 mos rotations with the secret squirrels.

Box
02-08-2021, 07:59
So - I find myself asking - what does the United States Army say about "Rangers"

Does the US Army make a formal distinction?
...just asking because I really don't know (don't care either) but the US Army made quite a big hullabaloo about the first two female Rangers not all that long ago - am I to believe that those first two female rangers weren't "real" Rangers?

If one type of ranger is just the adjective for a school and the other type is the proper noun for an ee-leet fighting force, then shouldn't the
Army have capital letter "R" Rangers and lower case "r" rangers?

Is a school ranger not a "real" Ranger ??
What says the United States Army ??

Oh, and before anyone NOT affiliated with the US Army infantry Center and School decides to chime in - No; I'm not interested in what a school ranger or Regiment Ranger has to say about it not unless you are formally affiliated with the MCoS or have a viable link to the US Army position on "R"-"r"-angers...

If there IS an official position, then so be it.
If there is no official position, then there is no official position which means its is no more and no less than an internal unit tradition - and tradition is important - its why only Rangers wear Black Berets or brown or whatever we are saying upholds the most amount of tradition.
It's why blood wings are so important to a paratrooooooo...
...sorry - I got all reminiscent there for a second
- tradition doesn't mean shit anymore - the DOD and our civilian elected representation has made certain of that.
Tradition is just a passing fad - accept it
-embrace it
-what you 'thought' matters no more
-tradition only matters when it advances the correct narrative

Its why only sappers, presidents one hundred, mountain, airborne, special forces, ranger, jungle, arctic, governors 20/12/10, advisor, band, honor guard, and combined division tabs are authorized for wear (we had to get rid of the traditional pershing and air assault tabs - because those guys were punks)

Its why everyone is SOF now - its why every services has the best SOF - its why every gubmint agency has an eee-leeet tactical law enforcement element - its why we cant survive as a nation unless we join hands against some contrived partisan boogeyman
It's tradition

blAH BLAH BLAH - my tabs was harder to earn than your tab blah blah blah
blah blah blah my Ranger Batt clerk typist is more ranger than your ranger "qualified" paratrooper infantryman - blah blah blah
blah blah blah - my little dick is bigger than your little dick - blah blah blah

some people treat these fucking silly assed tabs like biker gangs treat 1% patches...
...and these are elected representatives that should be "uniting and healing the country" big giant clown shoes worn by big giant clowns that live and work in a big giant clown car - ok everyone back in the clown car - we have to go and attend some fucking everyone-is-equal classes to get this ranger ranger ranger shit under control





I have spoken

Old Dog New Trick
02-08-2021, 20:27
Wait, you mean I can wear my Pershing Tab under my Special Forces Tab and between or under my Airborne Tab and above my Electric Butter Knife? Gee, the stuff you learn here, I’ll be sending my Class A uniform out right away to make it so.

Thanks Box!

exsquid
02-09-2021, 19:28
I saw a guy online the other day sporting a "Calvary Scout" tab over his long tab. He bills himself as a "Special Forces Calvary Scout". It made me laugh.

x/S