View Full Version : Denver shooter is ANTIFA
Love the internet and all the geeks..
Seems the shooter has an ANTIFA tattoo on his are and the local ANTIFA org knows him to "have you 6"
ALSO, If the sequence is correct. The patriot did not use the pepper spray until he spotted the shooter draw his weapon.
1)patriot slaps shooter
2)patriot backs off as shooter grabs a weapon
3)pepper spray and shot fired simultaneously
4)shooter tat
5)local ANTIFA tweet
additional pictures :munchin
Old Dog New Trick
10-11-2020, 10:45
I hope Chan9 supplies him with KY-Jelly for life. He’s gonna need it.
I hope Chan9 supplies him with KY-Jelly for life. He’s gonna need it.
I'm waiting to see which Antifa supporting democrats funnel money into his legal defense fund...
Probably the same democrats that took a knee in tacit support of ANTIFA when all of the violent rioting started
tom kelly
10-11-2020, 17:18
Pepper spray is not a deadly force weapon...Antifa perp had a gun concealed & used it...Is this a self-defense issue ???
Old Dog New Trick
10-11-2020, 18:34
Pepper spray is not a deadly force weapon...Antifa perp had a gun concealed & used it...Is this a self-defense issue ???
For the guy with (only) the pepper spray: yes!
Murder is a good call from DA. No, he was not in a deadly use of force scenario and getting bitch slapped doesn’t constitute deadly retaliation.
Golf1echo
10-11-2020, 18:59
Interesting article here, looks like there’s a lot more to the events yet to shake out. Doesn’t look good for the shooter as well as 9 news or Pinkerton if the later two even turn out to be true.
https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/matt-dolloff-shooter-in-denver-murder-who-is-he/
News crews appeared to me in previous situations to be getting in the way if not actually part of these peaceful protesters. I suppose it wouldn’t be a stretch that some are the recon element, perhaps active in targeting and I guess we’ll see if they are part of the assault elements....
The Reaper
10-11-2020, 20:11
Can't wait for the wrongful death lawsuit. :munchin
TR
Ambush Master
10-11-2020, 22:42
I believe that if you are "Legally" carrying a Firearm and someone (NOT A LEO) hits you with Pepper Spray, it can be/is considered as a defense to the Use of Deadly Force!! Based on the fact that they can "Dis-Arm" you with the debilitating Spray!!
frostfire
10-12-2020, 00:31
I believe that if you are "Legally" carrying a Firearm and someone (NOT A LEO) hits you with Pepper Spray, it can be/is considered as a defense to the Use of Deadly Force!! Based on the fact that they can "Dis-Arm" you with the debilitating Spray!!
Yes that can fly. Reasonable judgment and all.
FWIW, Rittenhouse was also peppersprayed by protester and did not spray lead in response.
Also who knows, they could be pulling out at near the same time and the guy who shot thought the other person was pulling a gun too.
Needless tragedy and death overall :(
Combat Diver
10-12-2020, 03:27
You can see below in sequence of events. In frame #1 shooter initiates contact, victim responses in self defense with a slap to the face as shooter tries to grab OC. At frame #9, shooter is drawing gun from appendix carry. Victim was stepping back disengaging. Lee responded with what he had in hand which was the OC. In frames #2,7,8 Lee has a Ruger semi auto clipped to the inside of his vest.
CD
Old Dog New Trick
10-12-2020, 07:26
I believe that if you are "Legally" carrying a Firearm and someone (NOT A LEO) hits you with Pepper Spray, it can be/is considered as a defense to the Use of Deadly Force!! Based on the fact that they can "Dis-Arm" you with the debilitating Spray!!
Jeopardy - means, opportunity, intent.
Lee (as with others who were peacefully protesting) acted in self-defense to the attempted assault by Dollof when he tried to take away his pepper spray, which had not been used up to this point. Lee broke contact stepping back towards his group. Lee did not attempt to draw a firearm and his hands were clearly at his side. The situation is over at this point.
Dollof, who initially caused the situation with intent to disarm Lee from carrying a legal substance which is not, repeat not, deadly force continued to press the situation to the next higher level (or went straight to deadly use of force) against someone who had de-escalated the situation and stepped back.
You cannot initiate violence and then claim self-defense.
Both may have had means and opportunity but only one intended to cause harm.
We will have to wait for the trial and jury to see all of the evidence and what happened if anything to the reporter whom Mr. Dollof was supposedly there to protect. Did he need protecting or was he an agitator like the guy in the BLM shirt who was clearly there to stir up trouble.
I believe the charge of murder against Dollof is the correct charge and he will be found guilty at trial. There are way too many witnesses and there will be more videos I’m sure covering every angle and words spoken.
ETA: Oh and Dollof’s history and employment will come into play. How active with Antifa and BLM has he been, what roles has he had in confronting others either as “security” or individually. It appears already that Pinkerton has no record of employment with him and the news company may have over stepped their hiring process to have a “friend of the reporter” present. Many questions that will be answered soon.
As Reaper pointed out let’s see the civil wrongful death lawsuits begin with the Channel 9 News and see how fast they distance themselves from both the gunman and the reporter.
TOMAHAWK9521
10-12-2020, 08:49
More info coming on this:
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/10/12/new-and-troubling-questions-about-murder-of-pro-trump-rally-suppoter-in-denver/
Badger52
10-12-2020, 08:51
ETA: Oh and Dollof’s history and employment will come into play. How active with Antifa and BLM has he been, what roles has he had in confronting others either as “security” or individually.As it turns out he has neither a state license for security work, a permit to carry in support of that work, nor a concealed carry permit. He also has a track record going back to Occupy Wall Street. This guy is a card-carrying street enforcer for them. There are a couple of 9News reporters who are notoriously left-wing & pretty much have carte blanche to cover Antifa. This guy was running security for the orange vest guy (their color code of the day), perhaps on their own dime, don't know.
That still-sequence above is impressive.
You can see below in sequence of events. In frame #1 shooter initiates contact, victim responses in self defense with a slap to the face as shooter tries to grab OC. At frame #9, shooter is drawing gun from appendix carry. Victim was stepping back disengaging. Lee responded with what he had in hand which was the OC. In frames #2,7,8 Lee has a Ruger semi auto clipped to the inside of his vest.
CD
Excellent sequence.
#9 clearly illustrates the initiation of the draw with NO spray in the air - we see NO deadly force exhibited prior to the fatal shot. Couple that with the long list of problems cited by Badger with respect to the “security” guard and this should add up to a significant civil case - at a minimum.
Golf1echo
10-12-2020, 10:42
Observation suggests this was a set up. Law enforcement is trying to identify who and why the individual with the “black guns matter” t shirt happened to be confrontational with a supposed news crew in place...
Confrontational individual shown in posted clip above.
Observation suggests this was a set up. Law enforcement is trying to identify who and why the individual with the “black guns matter” t shirt happened to be confrontational with a supposed news crew in place...
Confrontational individual shown in posted clip above.
There is talk that the BGM guy has been seen before at protests, performing the same act. I believe it was 4Chan who ID’d him.
There is talk that the BGM guy has been seen before at protests, performing the same act. I believe it was 4Chan who ID’d him.
Interesting. The short clip seems to portray the BGM guy as either a nut, a zealot or a setup...or any combination of these.
An idiot not worth engaging.
There might be a number of lessons here.
tom kelly
10-12-2020, 12:16
LAWYER- LAWYER- LAW FIRM- wrongful death lawsuit- Who has the deep pockets? who has the connections in Denver? Channel 9? YES, they have the money, law firm on retainer, and the stations owners have the right people in the right places to effect a settlement out-of-court & the shooter, he is on his own...
Some quick observations:
A leftist/anarchist (based on a variety information including tattoo) carrying a red dot AIWB, carried a concealed weapon, initiated a solid draw stroke from the AIWB position, exhibited a solid grip.
Do not underestimate.
Badger52
10-12-2020, 16:19
Some quick observations:
A leftist/anarchist (based on a variety information including tattoo) carrying a red dot AIWB, carried a concealed weapon, initiated a solid draw stroke from the AIWB position, exhibited a solid grip.
Do not underestimate.Indeed sir. Not a bad thing that it's been noted by many all across the webosphere. Threaded barrel, suppressor sights, RMR... this guy has practiced working on his presentation, which was quick, and this is not a Hi-Point picked up at the pawn shop. And note that there was no old dikta of "2x body, 1 to head" - he went right to the main switch.
Wrongful death $uit$ may be many, but "Tex" Keltner is still dead.
RIP.
Gratuitous MMQB: In confrontations I see this again & again, they let these knuckleheads float in & out of their "space" or else draw them off individually - and Keltner should never have been off on his own. Civility is gone - people going to these things have got to have a GROUP plan in place for mutual security and not deviate from it.
Indeed sir. Not a bad thing that it's been noted by many all across the webosphere. Threaded barrel, suppressor sights, RMR... this guy has practiced working on his presentation, which was quick, and this is not a Hi-Point picked up at the pawn shop. And note that there was no old dikta of "2x body, 1 to head" - he went right to the main switch.
Wrongful death $uit$ may be many, but "Tex" Keltner is still dead.
RIP.
Gratuitous MMQB: In confrontations I see this again & again, they let these knuckleheads float in & out of their "space" or else draw them off individually - and Keltner should never have been off on his own. Civility is gone - people going to these things have got to have a GROUP plan in place for mutual security and not deviate from it.
+1
Everyone who is out in the public or as you say especially those attending an event must have a plan and knowledge of the rules in their specific jurisdiction.
Engaging an idiot on the idiot’s terms is generally not productive.
Be alert for misdirection - these clowns are quite practiced in street chaos - and they seem to have less to loose...they are professional provocateurs...not important policy makers. Is engaging an idiot really worth it?
It’s not far fetched for average folks to encounter leftists/anarchists in the street for the near term - as mommy appears to have left the basement door open.
Old Dog New Trick
10-12-2020, 16:46
Indeed sir. Not a bad thing that it's been noted by many all across the webosphere. Threaded barrel, suppressor sights, RMR... this guy has practiced working on his presentation, which was quick, and this is not a Hi-Point picked up at the pawn shop. And note that there was no old dikta of "2x body, 1 to head" - he went right to the main switch.
Wrongful death $uit$ may be many, but "Tex" Keltner is still dead.
RIP.
Gratuitous MMQB: In confrontations I see this again & again, they let these knuckleheads float in & out of their "space" or else draw them off individually - and Keltner should never have been off on his own. Civility is gone - people going to these things have got to have a GROUP plan in place for mutual security and not deviate from it.
Couple points -
Green - which would indicate he was not in fear for his life at that distance and he fully intended to kill Mr. Lee for bitch slapping him with one shot in a crowded area where he was not being threatened.
Yellow - good point there is strength in numbers. These clowns in Antifa/BLM do not go beyond antagonism or physical violence against a group.
Tony, very good point, do not underestimate your enemy, they are well practiced and prone to violence. They “left leaning liberals” are responsible for 95% of the mayhem that has afflicted our nation. Janet Napolitano got it wrong when she said “right-wing separatists groups” are a threat to our nation...that was an Obama narrative to restrict the 2A.
Badger52
10-12-2020, 16:59
Janet Napolitano got it wrong when she said “right-wing separatists groups” are a threat to our nation...that was an Obama narrative to restrict the 2A.Bingo. That witch had to support that ridiculous threat assessment she put out, which is still being used today (I call it invoking the Ghost of McVeigh). She also demonized those returning "ticking time bomb" veterans, because politicians are scared shitless of people skilled at arms who don't think like them. Keeps 'em up at night.
Interesting. The short clip seems to portray the BGM guy as either a nut, a zealot or a setup...or any combination of these.
An idiot not worth engaging.
There might be a number of lessons here.
He looked and sounded like an idiot, but I do not think he is necessarily idiot.....I mean he has a purpose and he is aware of what he is doing. It's a production, I stay away from this stuff but I would wager there are quite a number of theater productions going on at these events.
The Lib city dwellers in my AO are absolutely seething at how the number of Trump signs grow the farther you get away from the city. And the contempt they have for the rural folks is mind numbing.
All this brings to mind Jay Hawkers, Bleeding Kansas and William Quantrill.
He looked and sounded like an idiot, but I do not think he is necessarily idiot.....I mean he has a purpose and he is aware of what he is doing. It's a production, I stay away from this stuff but I would wager there are quite a number of theater productions going on at these events.
The Lib city dwellers in my AO are absolutely seething at how the number of Trump signs grow the farther you get away from the city. And the contempt they have for the rural folks is mind numbing.
All this brings to mind Jay Hawkers, Bleeding Kansas and William Quantrill.
Agree.
The idiot was likely a paid provocateur - he reportedly engaged loads of folks.
A news guy, a provocateur, and the ANTIFA shooter all in the same proximity...coincidence ?
A news guy, a provocateur, and the ANTIFA shooter all in the same proximity...coincidence ?
It makes Alex Jones look sane.
It makes Alex Jones look sane.
Lol, don’t go that far !
It makes Alex Jones look sane.
Can you quantify that comment?
After all...
Ad@m $pliff makes Alex Jones look sane.
j0e b1d3n makes Alex Jones look sane.
Bi11 c1int0n's wife makes Alex Jones look sane.
Nambla Pe1otsi makes Alex Jones look sane.
Pierre De1ect0 makes Alex Jones look sane.
Karenmala makes Alex Jones look sane.
Fat Jerry makes Alex Jones look sane.
What is the high water wark for "sane" these days ??
Lol, don’t go that far !
Okay :D AJ is nuts, but in a world of crazies AJ looks sane or at very least some of his rantings may have substance. And in this crazy world the media appears to be manufacturing headlines rather than reporting the news.
Can you quantify that comment?
After all...
Ad@m $pliff makes Alex Jones look sane.
j0e b1d3n makes Alex Jones look sane.
Bi11 c1int0n's wife makes Alex Jones look sane.
Nambla Pe1otsi makes Alex Jones look sane.
Pierre De1ect0 makes Alex Jones look sane.
Karenmala makes Alex Jones look sane.
Fat Jerry makes Alex Jones look sane.
What is the high water wark for "sane" these days ??
As you have pointed out, the high water mark for "sane" these days is actually very low. Most, if not all the individuals you listed (and many, many more) were involved in what many considered a "conspiracy theory" commonly known as the Steele Dossier, The Russia Investigation and Russia, Russia, Russia.
By definition, a false flag operation is an act committed with the intent of disguising the actual source (HRC) of responsibility and pinning blame on a second party (DJT).
In a moment of clarity, credibility and sanity....
Make no mistake. It was Obama. It was Hillary and others who set up this fake criminal investigation.
-Alex Jones
bblhead672
10-14-2020, 14:46
As it turns out he has neither a state license for security work
It appears from my research that the state of Colorado does not issue security licenses, the cities do though. A search of Denver's licensing site does not show that he has ever had a security license in the city.
Re: Crazy Alex Jones.....You're only considered crazy until history proves you were right all along. Right Joe McCarthy? :D
Re: Crazy Alex Jones.....You're only considered crazy until history proves you were right all along. Right Joe McCarthy? :D
That is correct, but AJ still crazy or maybe merely crazy like a fox. I would agree on Joe McCarthy, it only took 40-50 years to prove he was on the money, but way, way ahead of his time.
Badger52
10-14-2020, 18:44
It appears from my research that the state of Colorado does not issue security licenses, the cities do though. A search of Denver's licensing site does not show that he has ever had a security license in the city.
Interesting, thanks.