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Over confidence has proven again its liability factor.
In addition to all his direct involvement in the ME conflict, Suleimani must have approved the Embassy attack, could he have over invested in thinking he was immune to attack in the new Shia lead Iraq? Must have felt very safe.
Iran's Deadly Puppet Master – Foreign Policy
https://foreignpolicy.com › irans-deadly-puppet-master-qassem-suleimani
Is there a like button for your post Penn :D
The termination of Imad Fayez Mughniyeh far pales in comparison to these two jihadists. I bet quite a few Mullahs are shitting their gowns right now :D
Prayers inbound for all our Warriors serving. :lifter
Long overdue.
In 13 days, it’s the 13th anniversary of the Karbala raid by Qods Force.
It will be interesting to find out if Soleimani was under current Iraqi diplomatic accreditation on his way to the airport.
If so, it will be interesting to see how it shapes future Iranian actions.
Attack sovereign territory and your senior commander ultimately responsible gets liquidated, regardless of whether or not he is traveling under current diplomatic accreditation.
Tit/Tat
Cause/Effect.
Lib's heads are exploding all over DC.
Way to go Trump and Troops.
To show just how detached from reality D's are this is Murphy D-CT.
Tweets two days apart.
To show just how detached from reality D's are this is Murphy D-CT.
Tweets two days apart.
I guess Trump read his first tweet and decided to act on it. Good for Trump!
To show just how detached from reality D's are this is Murphy D-CT.
Tweets two days apart.
Get congresses permission to strike, now that is a joke. They can't get together with any decision quickly or someone would leak the info out to the press. The mission was carried out correctly.
Good cop, bad cop. We got the bad decisive cop as Trump working for us.
rubberneck
01-03-2020, 09:56
Get congresses permission to strike, now that is a joke. They can't get together with any decision quickly or someone would leak the info out to the press. The mission was carried out correctly.
Good cop, bad cop. We got the bad decisive cop as Trump working for us.
With how badly Washington leaks today the Iranians would have known about the strike before the Congressional delegation left the White House.
With how badly Washington leaks today the Iranians would have known about the strike before the Congressional delegation left the White House.
Do you REALLY think the democrats would act to protect him from harm ?? (https://pjmedia.com/trending/obama-administration-stopped-israel-from-assassinating-soleimani-in-2015-report-says/)
You're just being silly.
One additional comment on McChrystal's FP article, as Mcchrystal summarizes his observations, he states subtlety that Suleimani was clearly targeted, but action was not taken on the opportunity to eliminate him. Implying that permission was denied by Obama. This may have led to the eventual undermining of McChrystal's position.
Running with that thought, connecting dots. (questionable) Tin Foil dots recap: 20% of our yellow cake is sold to Russia, the combatant command is dismantled, $1.4 Bn is sent to Iran, Benghazi lies and deception, unmasking of assets, Iran is notified by Obama administration (SoS Kerry) of a hit on the General by Isreal, and then a complete UW event impacts the 2016 election, which in no small way, encompasses the entire leadership of the Obama administration and all its agency leaders.
Tell me again who the enemy is?
Iran: “You can’t do anything...”
Trump: “Maybe, maybe not...but...your long-time terrorist, murderer General WILL miss his flight.”
“Next!”
Soleimani's successor threatens US
Brig. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, new head of Quds Force: Be patient and you will see the bodies of American soldiers all over the Middle East.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274059
rubberneck
01-03-2020, 14:24
Do you REALLY think the democrats would act to protect him from harm ?? (https://pjmedia.com/trending/obama-administration-stopped-israel-from-assassinating-soleimani-in-2015-report-says/)
You're just being silly.
Consider me duly chastised. ;)
mojaveman
01-03-2020, 14:26
Good job President Trump.
No replays of November 1979.
“Next!”
Soleimani's successor threatens US
Brig. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, new head of Quds Force: Be patient and you will see the bodies of American soldiers all over the Middle East.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274059
Not with this kind of U.S. Force!!! Great Job Guys!:lifter
https://www-washingtonexaminer-com.
World's most feared drone: CIA's MQ-9 Reaper killed Soleimani
President Trump ordered the strike on Soleimani’s convoy as it traveled near Baghdad International Airport. The hit also killed Abu Mahdi al Muhandis, the deputy commander of Iraq’s Iranian-backed Popular Mobilization Forces and founder of Kataib Hezbollah, a terrorist group that killed a U.S. contractor last week in a rocket attack...
As silent as it is deadly, the Reaper drone was well-suited for the strike, according to retired Air Force pilot and Heritage Foundation senior fellow John Venable.
“The MQ-9’s range, loiter time, and precision strike capability make it an ideal armed ISR [intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance] platform for low threat environments,” Venable told the Washington Examiner.
"Assuming the U.S. had intel on the rough itinerary of Soleimani’s flight and/or had been following the movements of Muhandis in and around Baghdad, the Reaper’s capabilities allowed the U.S. not just to be overhead Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula told the Washington Examiner: "The MQ-9 Reaper is the perfect weapon system for this job and highlights airpower’s ability to project accurate, timely, and lethal power," Deptula said.
"The strike was a measured and appropriate response after 18 months of restraint by the Trump administration to a series of aggressive Iranian violations of international law. He set a red line, warned Iran not to cross it, and when they did he acted appropriately to defend American personnel and interests."
Holly :munchin
Old Dog New Trick
01-03-2020, 17:10
Let’s see...another dead terrorist leader in the world? Good job, good job, Mr. President. Doing exactly what I elected you to do!
Watching all the liberal heads from the Democratic Party, CNN, MSNBC and Hollywood explode on Twitter and on national television...priceless!
Let’s pray to Allah the CIA has and maintains the current location of the new next-in-charge and if something happens to US Forces, diplomats or property he too turns into a black greasy spot.
PedOncoDoc
01-03-2020, 17:49
Out of curiosity, if the dead terrorist was in fact an agent of a foreign country and did coordinate an attack on the US embassy, is this not considered an act of war?
I'm not sure how the left can be up in arms about a precision response to an act of war?
It looks like there have been a number of other strikes since then. What should we call this??
1) Night of the long knives ( https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31375/americans-hellfire-missile-that-uses-swords-instead-of-explosives-struck-again-in-syria )
2) Preventive Maintenance
3)??
We could call it a rotation of stock. ;)
You always need good working inventory that has been tested..
Badger52
01-03-2020, 19:16
We could call it a rotation of stock. ;)
You always need good working inventory that has been tested..Yup. Much more effective than pulling 'em, inspection, refub, decommissioning....
Nah. Just shoot the thing.
:D
Old Dog New Trick
01-03-2020, 19:18
3) Corrective Actions - Re-Drawing “red lines” in the sand with the blood of tyrants, despots and terrorists one Hellfire at a time.
Note to others: we have aerospace factories just pumping them out faster than we can load them up and use them. The possibilities are limitless! The Reaper Drone invisible!
...Let’s pray to Allah the CIA has and maintains the current location of the new next-in-charge and if something happens to US Forces, diplomats or property he too turns into a black greasy spot.
I wish they would make him a greasy stain for simply threatening us. I can wish....:)
Ret10Echo
01-03-2020, 21:57
I wish they would make him a greasy stain for simply threatening us. I can wish....:)
If the missile struck at the very moment the spokesman stated who the replacement "was"... That would be just amazing.
We announce that Haji Anousha.... "BOOM"....Oh ....Damn
Never mind
Old Dog New Trick
01-03-2020, 22:03
If the missile struck at the very moment the spokesman stated who the replacement "was"... That would be just amazing.
We announce that Haji Anousha.... "BOOM"....Oh ....Damn
Never mind
Anyone? Who’s next, please raise your hand. (Crickets) :D
Old Dog New Trick
01-03-2020, 22:30
LTG Jerry Boykin was just on Fox News Live w/Shannon Bream. He’s still sharp as a tack and his assessment was spot on pointing out the diplomatic failure of the last admin.
Only wish Shannon hadn’t had to cut him off for time constraints. He was on a roll.
WarriorDiplomat
01-04-2020, 08:22
LTG Jerry Boykin was just on Fox News Live w/Shannon Bream. He’s still sharp as a tack and his assessment was spot on pointing out the diplomatic failure of the last admin.
Only wish Shannon hadn’t had to cut him off for time constraints. He was on a roll.
Yep on point
mark46th
01-04-2020, 10:21
Iran is making threats of retaliation. They should remember that Iran fought Sadaam and Iraq for 8 years to a standstill. We took Iraq in 8 days. If Iran starts something, the surviving mullahs will be living in France off their Swiss bank accounts.
If Trump goes after Iran, He'll use air power. Drones, cruise missiles, regular air strikes on their infrastructure. Drop bridges, take out power plants, headquarters, airports, any naval vessels, etc. Don't need ground troops to do that. He can do it really fast. Won't affect the election; it'll be old news by November.
No nation building. Just let the Iranians sit amongest the rubble and decide how to feed themselves.
Old Dog New Trick
01-04-2020, 13:03
If Trump goes after Iran, He'll use air power. Drones, cruise missiles, regular air strikes on their infrastructure. Drop bridges, take out power plants, headquarters, airports, any naval vessels, etc. Don't need ground troops to do that. He can do it really fast. Won't affect the election; it'll be old news by November.
No nation building. Just let the Iranians sit amongest the rubble and decide how to feed themselves.
Don’t need to destroy a country to decapitate its leaders.
Iraq and the Rumsfeld doctrine should be a recent example of what not to do.
Badger52
01-04-2020, 13:09
There are probably some phone lines being burned up right now as well between their trading "partners."
Ass't Deputy Multi-Mullah for Oil Bucks: "So... will you stand with us against the Great Satan?"
Deputy Chinese Minister for Pipeline Stuff: "Well... maybe not so much right now..."
Mullah: "What d'ya mean not so much?!? We send you a FOURTH of our frickin' oil!"
China: "Yeah, but your fourth is only a piddly-assed 6% of our total imports. And besides, we have this trade agreement thing on the table we're kinda gettin' snuggly with, so... Maybe you should sit back quietly on your heels for a bit & just let Hollywood freak out on your behalf, m'kay?"
:munchin
Iran’s history of exporting terrorism is well documented. An excerpt below from the way-back machine to provide just some context - complete article at link.
Truth is Iran has been at war with us since 1979.
They lack the means for a head-to-head with us (they would destroy us and Israel without hesitation if they could). And, I have no problem with us GTFO of Iraq and let them all kill each other.
A Brief Timeline of Iran-Sponsored Terrorism Since 1979
Breitbart
ADELLE NAZARIAN13 Oct 2017
WASHINGTON, D.C. – From its warmongering in Iraq, Syria, and to a degree in Yemen, to its meddling in Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian territories, and Turkey, the Iranian regime and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), through its terrorist proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah, have caused chaos in the Middle East region since it came to power in 1979.
The following is a list of Iran-sponsored terrorist activities that have taken place since Iran’s late Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was overthrown and replaced with radical Islamic hardliner Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
1979: 52 American diplomats and citizens were taken from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and held hostage for 444 days between November 4, 1979 – January 20, 1981 by a group of Iranian students belonging to the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam’s Line, supporters of the Iranian Revolution, and with the help of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards.
1982: Between 1982 and 1992, Iran-backed Hezbollah systematically abducted a total of 96 foreign nationals, including 25 U.S. citizens, during the Lebanon Hostage Crisis. CIA Station Chief William Buckley was among the Americans killed.
1983: On April 18, 1983, an Iran-backed Hezbollah suicide bomber rammed a truck into the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63 people, including 17 Americans.
1983: On October 23, 1983, Iran-backed Hezbollah killed 241 Americans in a terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy’s Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. Over 100 were wounded. The explosion caused what was described as the “largest non-nuclear explosion that had ever been detonated on the face of the Earth,” A separate, and simultaneous, suicide truck bombed and destroyed a building housing French soldiers, leaving 58 French paratroopers dead.
1983: On December 12, 1983, Iran-backed Hezbollah and Iran-backed Shiite group Da’wa bombed the U.S. embassy in Kuwait leaving six dead and ninety injured.
1984: On September 20, 1984, Iran-backed Hezbollah detonated a van carrying explosives outside the U.S. Embassy annex in East Beirut, Lebanon, leaving 24 people dead. Among them were two Americans.
1985: On Friday, June 14, Iran-backed Hezbollah hijacked TWA flight 847, flying from Cairo, Egypt, to San Diego, California, and dumped U.S. Navy Diver Robert Stethem’s lifeless body onto the runway at the Beirut Airport. The hijackers sought the release of 700 Shi’ite Muslims being held as prisoners in Israel, Kuwait, and Spain.
1987: Hezbollah al-Hejaz, the Saudi-backed branch of Hezbollah, together with the help of the IRGC, carried out two attacks between 1987 and 1988. First, they bombed a gas facility in Ras al-Juaymah, Saudi Arabia, in August 1987. Then, in March 1988, they bombed a petrochemical plant in Jubail and an oil refinery in the Saudi City of Ras Tanura.
1988: United Nations Diplomat Robert Higgins was kidnapped in South Lebanon. Although the exact date of his murder is uncertain, he was declared dead on July 6, 1990.
1989: On July 13, 1989, then Secretary-General of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI) Dr. Abdul-Rahman Ghassemlou was murdered in Vienna, Austria along with two of his associates where he was meeting secretly with Iran’s then-President Hashemi Rafsanjani. Austrian sources have reportedly connected Dr. Ghassemlou’s assassination to former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad through the sale of weapons.
1991: On August 8, 1991, Iranian politician Shapour Bakhtiar, the last Iranian prime minister prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, was murdered by Islamic regime operatives.
1992: On March 17, 1992, Iran-backed Hezbollah carried out a suicide bombing on the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, leaving 29 people killed and injuring 242 others.
1992: On September 17, 1992, the Iranian regime and then-Minister of Intelligence Ali Fallahian executed the murder of four Iranian Kurds at the Mykonos Café in Greece. The murder also included Dr. Mohammad Sadegh Sharafkandi, then-leader of the KDPI.
1994: On July 18, 1994, the Iranian regime bombed the AMIA Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, Argentina, leaving 85 people dead and injuring 300 others. This attack was the deadliest in the history of the Western Hemisphere prior to September 11, 2001.
1996: On June 25, 1996, fourteen members of the Iran-backed Saudi branch of Hezbollah bombed the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, leaving 19 U.S. airmen dead and 372 injured.
2000: On October 7, 2000, Iran-backed Hezbollah forces abducted three Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers from the Israeli side of the border with Lebanon. Benny Avraham, Adi Avitan, and Omar Souad’s bodies were returned to Israel in 2004 in exchange for the release of 400 Palestinian prisoners.
2005: On February 14, 2005, Iran-backed Hezbollah assassinated Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri, along with 21 others, in an explosion in Beirut.
2006: On July 12, 2006, Iran-backed Hezbollah infiltrated Israel in a raid, killing seven IDF soldiers in a conflict that would continue for a month.
2007: In March 2007, the Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH) terrorist group, directed by the IRGC-Quds Force, oversaw an attack that killed five U.S. soldiers in Karbala. The group’s leader, Sheikh Qais al-Khazali, directed this attack.
2007: Sheikh Qais al-Khazali organized the kidnapping of five British men in Iraq.
2009: Certain paramilitary groups in Iraq are affiliated with the IRGC and are engaged in terrorism and crimes against humanity. On June 24, 2009, the State Department designated Kataib Hezbollah (KH), a paramilitary group in Iraq affiliated with the IRGC, a terrorist organization. The group was responsible for attacks on U.S. forces, including the bombing of a U.S. Embassy in Iraq. The group’s head currently reports directly to Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani.
2011: In October 2011, dual U.S.-Iranian citizen Mansoor Arbabsiar and IRGC-Quds Forces commander Gholam Shakuri planned to bomb a restaurant in Washington, D.C., in order to target then Saudi Ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir. The plan was thwarted.
2012: Between February 13 and 14, 2012, members of the IRGC attempted to assassinate the wife of an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India. The wife and her driver were injured after the device planted on their car detonated.
2012: In March 2012, IRGC-backed terrorists targeted U.S. and Israeli officials in an Azerbaijan-based terror plot. Arrests prevented the plots from being carried out.
2012: On July 18, 2012, Iran-backed Hezbollah bombed a bus in Bulgaria, killing five Israeli tourists and the bus driver and injuring more than 30 others.
2015: In August 2015, Kuwait foiled an Iran-backed Hezbollah terror plot meant to destabilize Kuwait, which is located to the southeast of Iraq, where Tehran has a heavy presence.
2015: In December 2015, members of Iran-backed Katai’b Hezbollah in Iraq kidnapped 29 Qatari falcon hunters in the Iraqi desert only to release them over a year later in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars in ransom.
Since then, nearly a dozen planned terrorist attacks by Iran-backed Hezbollah have been thwarted.
The IRGC could be designated a terrorist organization under Executive Order 13224, first signed by President George W. Bush on September 23, 2001.
In February, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI)—an exiled Iranian resistance group affiliated with the Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK)—published a detailed intelligence report specifying the scope of terrorist training camps run by the IRGC and Quds Forces within Iran for the specific purpose of training foreign mercenaries. The report showed how the IRGC poaches Afghani and Pakistani recruits and brings them to Syria and Iraq to carry out the Iranian regime’s dirty work.
<snip>
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/10/13/brief-timeline-iran-sponsored-terrorism-since-1979/
I am convinced that Soleimani’s reason for being in Iraq, and having the meeting with Iraq sympathizers, was nothing less than to plan and execute an assault and a takeover of the American Embassy in the manner that it was done in Tehran Iran in 1979.
The original “demonstration” on the perimeter was a poorly organized and led demonstration, but it was also a test run to determine American response time and to set up both sides for a later full assault.
Three days later, most — but not all — of the attackers withdrew. A professional core remained to continue surveillance of the objective.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50966958
I disagree with some other soldiers that that Soleimani’s Revolutionary Guard and Iraqi militias were going to try for another Benghazi.
They they had bigger goals: they were planning for another Tehran, with American hostages inside the embassy surrounded by “student protesters” and led by the Quds in civilian clothing .
The assumption would be that the United States would not risk the beheading of its entire Embassy staff and would have had to parley their way out of the situation, perhaps by a Jimmy “the Coward” Carter style total withdrawal of the US from Iraq, with the embassy hostages the last Americans to leave on the last flight out.
The attackers would have been portrayed as “students” and “demonstrators,” not the work of a foreign government against US territory (and embassy real estate IS United States real estate under the Vienna Convention governing diplomatic affairs).
But to pull it off, the Iranians and their sympathizers in Iraq would have needed arms, intelligence, a cover story, perhaps several more assaults to test defenses and to de-sensitize the defenders: “Oh, just another demonstration, nothing to see here” …
… until this time well prepared demolition charges blow gaps in the walls and the demonstrators now have hundreds of rifles, RPG’s and grenades as they surge through the gaps within minutes.
The Iranians were willing to bet that the Americans would not attack Iran, at least in the manner of George Bush vs. Iraq (full mobilization and deployment) since in their mind they had:
– “plausible deniability” of Iranian involvement.
– A US President facing an impeachment trial.
– A US Congress (at least the House of Representatives) who would dither and wring hands and would never issue a use of force resolution.
– An impotent United Nations who would do nothing, especially since Russia and China have veto authority in the Security Council.
– A weakened NATO whose primary ally with the United States (England) is itself in the midst of political turmoil and BREXIT proceedings.
– A United States presidential election in which all Democrat candidates would scurry to the left, and do nothing but blame President Trump for the Embassy takeover.
It is no coincidence that the Tehran embassy takeover happened in November 1979, only a few months before the 1980 election campaign was to commence. I think Soleimani had a “penciled -in” date of about March 2010 to take over the Baghdad embassy.
The President had a golden minute to destroy the planner and some of his key allies. He took it.
Well done, Mr. Trump.
I am convinced that Soleimani’s reason for being in Iraq, and having the meeting with Iraq sympathizers, was nothing less than to plan and execute an assault and a takeover of the American Embassy in the manner that it was done in Tehran Iran in 1979.
...they were planning for another Tehran, with American hostages inside the embassy surrounded by “student protesters” and led by the Quds in civilian clothing.
The assumption would be that the United States would not risk the beheading of its entire Embassy staff and would have had to parley their way out of the situation, perhaps by a Jimmy “the Coward” Carter style total withdrawal of the US from Iraq, with the embassy hostages the last Americans to leave on the last flight out.
The attackers would have been portrayed as “students” and “demonstrators,” not the work of a foreign government against US territory (and embassy real estate IS United States real estate under the Vienna Convention governing diplomatic affairs).
Concur.
That embassy was a huge target and a significant asset providing Iran potentially substantial leverage (which they lack at the moment).
Trump, based on solid intelligence, took the initiative and stopped a much larger clusterf&ck.
Don’t need to destroy a country to decapitate its leaders.
Iraq and the Rumsfeld doctrine should be a recent example of what not to do.
I don't think "Shock and Awe" is the same as "Bomb them back to the Stone Age"
Blast Iran and don't waste money on rebuilding the place. "Decapitation " sounds like "Whack a Mole" Course, I'm not opposed to "Decapitate" while doing "Back to the Stone Age." :D
Mean while, the Donald...
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Iran is talking very boldly about targeting certain USA assets as revenge for our ridding the world of their terrorist leader who had just killed an American, & badly wounded many others, not to mention all of the people he had killed over his lifetime, including recently....
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....hundreds of Iranian protesters. He was already attacking our Embassy, and preparing for additional hits in other locations. Iran has been nothing but problems for many years. Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have.....
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....targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!
It also sounds like the Iraqi government might invite us to leave. That happens and Donald fulfills another promise.
As a geezer steeped in 1940's, 50's, 60's Cold War, it sounds like we're going "Massive Retaliation" Interesting Trump said "Iranian Culture"
Take out the Statue of Liberty, we take out one or all of your dime store religious sites. I'd prefer using Tac Nukes myself so they can't rebuild.
I love it that now Trump is saying that we will hit "52" Iranian targets if there is any more bullshit from Iran...the exact number of the Hostages taken under the second-worst president in our countries history.
This tennis match is much better than Wimbledon. Back over the net to Iran.
What are you going to do now, PL?
Badger52
01-04-2020, 21:53
- whole post - That sounds pretty solid; this wasn't a guy who goes boots on ground for some student rabble. This was a guy who has a plan he's going to execute.
CSB, excellent summation, there must be some sunnies in the hierarchy, the timing was spot on for the shot.
Ret10Echo
01-05-2020, 19:16
So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?
"The time for violence is now"
Did this thing just inspire our enemies to commit acts of violence against the United States
??
Preemptive apologies if this is ground already covered.
Old Dog New Trick
01-05-2020, 19:58
So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?
"The time for violence is now"
Did this thing just inspire our enemies to commit acts of violence against the United States
Preemptive apologies if this is ground already covered.
Haven’t you been told...nothing to see here just move along serf.
Badger52
01-05-2020, 20:41
So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?
She has a district that elected her; comprises most of Minneapolis or, as we refer to it around here (couple hundred miles away), Mogadishu-North. Demographics are 63% white; 17% black; 6% Asian; 9% Hispanic; 1% Native American; 4% other.
Proof that, as Ol' Remus says, "Diversity is Stockholm Syndrome writ large."
They're very good about patting themselves on the back for doing such wonderful things like electing someone like her. But, hey, lots of Starbucks, so.... That district used to be surveyed as the 4th worst place for black Americans to live but now they have achieved the championship and are Numero Uno on that list (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/08/15/minnesotas-5th-congressional-district-listed-as-worst-di-struct-for-black-americans-to-live/). That place is a whole 'nuther world if you get out of your car in the wrong part of town.
She has a district that elected her; comprises most of Minneapolis or, as we refer to it around here (couple hundred miles away), Mogadishu-North.
Non-assimilation seems to be a trait of Somali areas across the US. I have heard one in my area, a former project, actually has armed guards at the entrance.
Last hard class
01-06-2020, 09:14
Are you guys sure that is was she actually posted?
LHC
Ret10Echo
01-06-2020, 09:15
Are you guys sure that is was she actually posted?
LHC
Blue Check-mark account....
TOMAHAWK9521
01-06-2020, 09:23
Just the idea that a slew of mouth breathers thought this was a real news story put a smile on my face. :D
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-call-for-flags-to-be-flown-half-mast-to-grieve-death-of-soleimani
Badger52
01-06-2020, 12:20
Just the idea that a slew of mouth breathers thought this was a real news story put a smile on my face. :D
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-call-for-flags-to-be-flown-half-mast-to-grieve-death-of-soleimaniLMAO. That was particularly well-written.
Are you guys sure that is was she actually posted?
LHC
It appears that tweet may be fake.
More info here (https://twitter.com/AlKapDC/status/1213658743520534528).. on Twitter, about Twitter :rolleyes:
Ret10Echo
01-06-2020, 20:13
It appears that tweet may be fake.
More info here (https://twitter.com/AlKapDC/status/1213658743520534528).. on Twitter, about Twitter :rolleyes:
I'm with you :rolleyes:
So the self proclaimed far right misinformation guy who works for Media Matters says it was far right misinformation :D
Nothing to see here... Move along
Got it
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Research? ROTFL
Old Dog New Trick
01-06-2020, 20:27
I continue to respect the hell out of Nicky Haley. I hope someday she runs for POTUS.
Badger52
01-06-2020, 20:30
So the self proclaimed far right misinformation guy who works for Media Matters says it was far right misinformation :D
Except the misinformation also included the attempt to paint the false flag on Fox. This is getting like Spy vs. Spy in MAD magazine, lol.
Ret10Echo
01-06-2020, 20:47
Except the misinformation also included the attempt to paint the false flag on Fox. This is getting like Spy vs. Spy in MAD magazine, lol.
For those young-uns.... :D
I continue to respect the hell out of Nicky Haley. I hope someday she runs for POTUS.
She has more testicular mass than many males I know....
Ok. As we all know, this MFer should have been killed during the heyday of IRAQ War II. THat is beside the point.
Things that I wonder about:
1. Why isn't the Admin playing up the point that the the Iranian Repub. Guards were responsible for the widespread proliferation of EFPs in IRAQ that led to countless American deaths and maiming?
2. Why does the admin and any "friendly" media not emphasize that this asshat was the leader of a terrorist organization?
3. Why does the admin and any "friendly" media continue to refer to this asshole by a military title "General" when he (by our delcaration) is a leader of a terrorist organization?
4. Although this guy deserved to die... and I do believe that they wanted to repeat the Tehran embassy hostage taking... could this be a purposeful provocation on our part to generate a response....with the ultimate purpose to hit Iranian nuke production infrastructure (and other leadership targets?).
mojaveman
01-07-2020, 15:08
… could this be a purposeful provocation on our part to generate a response....with the ultimate purpose to hit Iranian nuke production infrastructure (and other leadership targets?).
Bingo.
Bingo!
Well I guess that we are going to find out tonight.
With Iran's attack on us, we better now be weapons free. On everything.
I hope that Trump does what needs to be done.
Edit:
I wonder how things might be different if we would have gone for the kill in 1988 during PRAYING MANTIS after the USS Samuel B. Roberts incident. That was our opportunity to send a message, and IMO, in hindsight, we didn't do enough.
I continue to respect the hell out of Nicky Haley. I hope someday she runs for POTUS.
Don't let an occasional moment of clarity from Nikki Haley fool you. She was all for the U.S. signing onto the UN's "migration" scheme. She is also a RINO. Even more, she is not a natural-born citizen - so far as I know. She is definitely NOT presidential material for the United States.
Old Dog New Trick
01-07-2020, 21:10
Don't let an occasional moment of clarity from Nikki Haley fool you. She was all for the U.S. signing onto the UN's "migration" scheme. She is also a RINO. Even more, she is not a natural-born citizen - so far as I know. She is definitely NOT presidential material for the United States.
Bamberg South Carolina is not in the US? News to me. Pretty sure 1972 is after the 14th Amendment was ratified.
She may be a RINO, she may be a Tea Party Libertarian...but, what she isn’t is a liberal (outside the classic sense of the word) and she leans further right (as do most Sikhs) as a conservative. Maybe calling her a Republican is close to calling Trump a Republican?
She floundered on the Confederate Flag issue but in this day and age dying on that sword would be a foolish mistake.
Anyway, if someday we are destined to have a female president she would likely receive my vote at the ballot box. Hell I already bit into that bad tasting sh!t sandwich called McStain/Palin once before.
As for the thread...I hope I wake up to news that Iran’s nuclear fusion plant lay in rubble. Don’t care if we do it or the Israelis.
Don't let an occasional moment of clarity from Nikki Haley fool you. She was all for the U.S. signing onto the UN's "migration" scheme. She is also a RINO. Even more, she is not a natural-born citizen - so far as I know. She is definitely NOT presidential material for the United States.
She was born in South Carolina. How is she not a natural-born citizen?
Haley’s [Indian immigrant] parents moved to South Carolina in 1969; she was born in January 1972. In those days, it took at least five years to be naturalized. So it’s evident Haley’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president. For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.
The Supreme Court addressed this in Minor v. Happersett (1875):
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. (Emphasis added, and note the plurals!)
Minor was unanimous and written by Chief Justice Morrison Waite; a unanimous opinion by the Chief is the strongest statement the Court can make.
Haley doesn’t make the cut.
Neither do Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and nor did—yes—Barack Obama.
The above taken from the following article:
https://vdare.com/posts/tough-luck-gop-establishment-nikki-haley-a-not-natural-born-citizen-either-is-george-p-bush
Bamberg South Carolina is not in the US? News to me. Pretty sure 1972 is after the 14th Amendment was ratified.
She may be a RINO, she may be a Tea Party Libertarian...but, what she isn’t is a liberal (outside the classic sense of the word) and she leans further right (as do most Sikhs) as a conservative. Maybe calling her a Republican is close to calling Trump a Republican?
She floundered on the Confederate Flag issue but in this day and age dying on that sword would be a foolish mistake.
Anyway, if someday we are destined to have a female president she would likely receive my vote at the ballot box. Hell I already bit into that bad tasting sh!t sandwich called McStain/Palin once before.
As for the thread...I hope I wake up to news that Iran’s nuclear fusion plant lay in rubble. Don’t care if we do it or the Israelis.
Please see my reply to CW3SF @23:46 1/7/20 for the info on Nikki Haley's citizenship status. (She is a naturalized U.S. citizen, but NOT a "natural-born" U.S. citizen. Her parents were not U.S. citizens at the time she was born.)
Old Dog New Trick
01-07-2020, 23:30
Haley’s [Indian immigrant] parents moved to South Carolina in 1969; she was born in January 1972. In those days, it took at least five years to be naturalized. So it’s evident Haley’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president. For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.
The Supreme Court addressed this in Minor v. Happersett (1875):
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. (Emphasis added, and note the plurals!)
Minor was unanimous and written by Chief Justice Morrison Waite; a unanimous opinion by the Chief is the strongest statement the Court can make.
Haley doesn’t make the cut.
Neither do Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and nor did—yes—Barack Obama.
The above taken from the following article:
https://vdare.com/posts/tough-luck-gop-establishment-nikki-haley-a-not-natural-born-citizen-either-is-george-p-bush
I’m no lawyer but me thinks the person who argued this decision in the link above for the sake of declaring one a natural born citizen does not understand the basis of the arguments made for and against in Minor v. Happersett. Which detailed a finding for “Suffrage” and a woman’s right to vote.
Reading the whole thing I’m left with the 14th Amendment trumps your argument against Haley or any of the other persons mentions above as not being granted citizenship at birth. More specifically “natural born citizens” regardless of the citizenship of either or both parents.
In modern day ‘immigration court’ it’s the sticky wheel allowing our southern neighbor’s to keep coming here to give birth.
P.S. I don’t mean to hijack the thread so maybe a new one is in order elsewhere?
Old Dog New Trick
01-07-2020, 23:35
Please see my reply to CW3SF @23:46 1/7/20 for the info on Nikki Haley's citizenship status. (She is a naturalized U.S. citizen, but NOT a "natural-born" U.S. citizen. Her parents were not U.S. citizens at the time she was born.)
If she’s “naturalized by order of INS” as you say, I don’t know. I haven’t seen that in her bio, only that she was born in SC on 20 January 1972.
As for Cruz, Rubio and Obama one would think they passed the test to join the Panamanian born John McStain as potential candidates for POTUS. DUNNO!
TOMAHAWK9521
01-07-2020, 23:35
Just the idea that a slew of mouth breathers thought this was a real news story put a smile on my face. :D
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-call-for-flags-to-be-flown-half-mast-to-grieve-death-of-soleimani
A hearty "Thank you" to CNN's fat little basement troll for verification. :D
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/01/07/nolte-cnn-reporter-who-attacked-babylon-bee-repeatedly-retweeted-the-onion/
Old Dog New Trick
01-08-2020, 00:30
You know, in the next few days when it probably becomes apparent that some Iranian fighter jet pilot shot down a Ukrainian commercial airliner with 176 passengers onboard...the world is going to take a dim view of their claims of self-defense.
It’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out one way or another.
In this latest tit for tat I'd say we came out the winners.
We got their # 1 terror creator.
They got some scorched cement and a civilian airliner with 180 civilians onboard.
Old Dog New Trick
01-08-2020, 07:46
Not to mention 47 dead and over 200 injured in a forced propaganda assembly.
147 of the passengers were Iranian or dual citizenship Iranians living in Canada.
Let’s see our four AGMs hit two moving vehicles in the dark packed with high value targets. Their 15 (30 reported by them) ballistic missiles hit the desert, malfunctioned, caused insignificant damage to supporting structures and may have damaged an airplane that couldn’t be moved and likely not ours.
Yeah I put that in the “take your toys and stay home” category.
mark46th
01-08-2020, 10:13
If one is born in the U.S., you are a citizen of the U.S. Otherwise, why are the Chinese coming over here to have a kid? If a person born in the U.S. is not a citizen, why are pregnant women tn Mexico lining up at the border to come here to give birth? Anchor babies let the parents stay in the U.S. legally, even if the parents are here illegally...
Night of the Long Knives Part 2??
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
A source inside IRGC tells me that since yesterday evening, 56 of IRGC commanders have been arrested by the IRGC’s intelligence organisation. According to the source, knows as Haj Vahid,one of Soleimani’s most trusted in Iraq is missing since the strike on Soleimani.
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Night of the Long Knives Part 2??
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
A source inside IRGC tells me that since yesterday evening, 56 of IRGC commanders have been arrested by the IRGC’s intelligence organisation. According to the source, knows as Haj Vahid,one of Soleimani’s most trusted in Iraq is missing since the strike on Soleimani.
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Interesting if true. Probably just the new boss doing some internal housekeeping in order to make sure he remains the new boss.
If one is born in the U.S., you are a citizen of the U.S. Otherwise, why are the Chinese coming over here to have a kid? If a person born in the U.S. is not a citizen, why are pregnant women tn Mexico lining up at the border to come here to give birth? Anchor babies let the parents stay in the U.S. legally, even if the parents are here illegally...
Sorry, no. The 14th Amendment was never meant to allow the children of foreign nationals in this country U.S. citizenship. This has been a perverted "interpretation" of the 14th Amendment since SC Justice Brennan's "footnote". See attached articles for history if you're interested.
On Anchor Babies:
<b>"Justice Brennan's Footnote Gave Us Anchor-Babies"</b>
by Ann Coulter Aug.4, 2010
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2010-08-04.html
<b>"From Feudalism to Consent : Rethinking Birthright Citizenship"</b>
March 30, 2006 The Heritage Foundation
https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/report/feudalism-consent-rethinking-birthright-citizenship
<b>"Alien Birthright Citizenship: A Fable That Lives Through Ignorance"</b>
by P.A. Madison, The Federalist Blog, December 17, 2005
http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html
<b>"What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means"</b>
by P.A. Madison The Federalist Blog, September 22nd, 2007
http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/
<b>"Babies Don’t Provide Anchors!"</b>
by Publius Huldah
https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/anchor-babies/
Under pressure, Iran admits it shot down jetliner by mistake
https://www.wral.com/iran-says-it-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner/18879847/
"TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Revolutionary Guard on Saturday acknowledged that it accidentally shot down the Ukrainian jetliner that crashed earlier this week, killing all 176 aboard, after the government had repeatedly denied Western accusations that it was responsible..."
Just confirms what we all knew.
Under pressure, Iran admits it shot down jetliner by mistake
https://www.wral.com/iran-says-it-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner/18879847/
Just confirms what we all knew.
Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani blamed the shootdown of the plane in part on “threats and bullying” by the United States after the killing of Soleimani. He expressed condolences to families of the victims, and he called for a “full investigation” and the prosecution of those responsible.
"A sad day," Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif tweeted. “Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster. Our profound regrets, apologies and condolences to our people, to the families of all victims, and to other affected nations.”
Our fault of course, this certainly affirms presidential hopeful Pete Butt Edge Edge's earlier statement regarding US culpability. Personally I am surprised that they fessed up this quickly.
Old Dog New Trick
01-11-2020, 11:19
How many more are going to die today in Iran?
Massive demonstrations (and I mean massive, looks the size of the mandatory crowed for Suleimani funeral) have gathered in the streets to demand that Ayatollah Khamenei resign over the downing of a civilian airliner.
And to think it’s all Trumps fault! (Well, except for the Iranian “lieutenant” that pushed the launch button on two SA-15s in Tehran. He owns that!)
Oh and they intentionally “missed” hitting any US targets or personnel with 16 ballistic missiles. Sure you did, even a broken clock is correct at least once a day.
rubberneck
01-11-2020, 11:40
How many more are going to die today in Iran?
Massive demonstrations (and I mean massive, looks the size of the mandatory crowed for Suleimani funeral) have gathered in the streets to demand that Ayatollah Khamenei resign over the downing of a civilian airliner.
And to think it’s all Trumps fault! (Well, except for the Iranian “lieutenant” that pushed the launch button on two SA-15s in Tehran. He owns that!)
Oh and they intentionally “missed” hitting any US targets or personnel with 16 ballistic missiles. Sure you did, even a broken clock is correct at least once a day.
I think the world and more importantly your average Iranian just realized the emperor has no clothes. They missed because their equipment sucks and they’re incompetent and they shot down an airliner shortly after departing one of their airports because they are scared of their own shadow. All their bluster and death to America posturing won’t save face for them on the world stage.
Old Dog New Trick
01-11-2020, 11:50
I think the world and more importantly your average Iranian just realized the emperor has no clothes. They missed because their equipment sucks and they’re incompetent and they shot down an airliner shortly after departing one of their airports because they are scared of their own shadow. All their bluster and death to America posturing won’t save face for them on the world stage.
Eggzactly
Rohani’s ‘prophetic’ words a day earlier threatening to shoot down or destroy an American airliner are surly going to come back to bite him in the ass.
“Death to the liars” is not being directed to Trump in Iran.
Its all Americas fault that so many people get killed because of Iranian shenanigans.
Hey Iran...
GOOOOOOOOOO
fuck ya' self
Badger52
01-11-2020, 18:29
POTUS tweeted some eloquent words of encouragemen (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-support-iran-protesters-ukrainian-airplane)t in both English & Farsi to the students rioting after the IRGC fessed up to their "mistake" with the airliner. The Iranians' shit-sandwich is getting super-sized.
:munchin
I wish he would tweet something like “Just because the Ayatollah’s mother took his diaper off his ass and wrapped it around his head does not mean he must be the dictator of Iran. Take back your country!”
Badger52
01-11-2020, 20:12
I wish he would tweet something like “Just because the Ayatollah’s mother took his diaper off his ass and wrapped it around his head does not mean he must be the dictator of Iran. Take back your country!”LMAO. Take back what I said about Trump; now THAT is eloquent.
Be interesting if the Iranian protesters start waving US flags like they did in Hong Kong.
Time to send in some A teams :munchin
The first step is to Not Step...
https://twitter.com/gesfandiari/status/1216321586376183811?s=21
Here’s hoping an indigenous Persian Solidarity-like movement emerges, to expand opposition of the theocracy and IRGC beyond the progressive university types to include the broader and far more numerous working class.
Even if unsuccessful, it could be a forcing function on IRGC’s focus more towards internal regime continuity than further external stupidity that could get them nuked.
TOMAHAWK9521
01-13-2020, 13:14
Despite everything that has happened, I'm interested to see how well Soleimani will hold up against his colleagues in the upcoming debate.
Despite everything that has happened, I'm interested to see how well Soleimani will hold up against his colleagues in the upcoming debate.
Pete has requested extra security and refuses to debate one on one with him regardless of which rooftop the debate is to be held on. Joe will not debate him until they have squared off in a push up contest in Carver Hawkeye Arena. Pocahantas has offered him a spot on the her ticket, says they will be a perfect match as her DNA shows she is distantly related to a former Persian King. And Bernie is well he's just mad.
Badger52
01-13-2020, 14:37
Nicely done gentlemen. :cool:
Badger52
01-13-2020, 20:28
Here’s hoping an indigenous Persian Solidarity-like movement emerges, to expand opposition of the theocracy and IRGC beyond the progressive university types to include the broader and far more numerous working class.
From your lips....
Iranian Journalists Quit (full FNC article here) (https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-state-tv-news-anchors-quit)
At least two Iranian journalists at a state-owned media outlet reportedly resigned from their jobs, and another left a while back, apologizing for "the 13 years I told you lies" to her supporters as Tehran grapples with the fallout from protests stemming from a cover-up of its accidental downing of a Ukrainian airliner.
Gelare Jabbari posted an apology on an Instagram that appears to have been deleted.
“It was very hard for me to believe that our people have been killed," the post read, according to The Guardian. "Forgive me that I got to know this late. And forgive me for the 13 years I told you lies.”
Two news anchors at the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting thanked their supporters in separate statements.
These are watershed moments. It is one thing in a country, as Flagg stated, to see "progressive" (different than the US Commies in the Demokrat party) young people in a mass like this, with such outrage. It is another when members of the establishment working class join them and rebel against the repression so publicly. THAT is actually a huge gesture because it is also these young peoples' parents that watched these journalists for the last couple decades.
:munchin
From your lips....
Iranian Journalists Quit (full FNC article here) (https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-state-tv-news-anchors-quit)
These are watershed moments. It is one thing in a country, as Flagg stated, to see "progressive" (different than the US Commies in the Demokrat party) young people in a mass like this, with such outrage. It is another when members of the establishment working class join them and rebel against the repression so publicly. THAT is actually a huge gesture because it is also these young peoples' parents that watched these journalists for the last couple decades.
:munchin
It’s times like this that I wish I could read Farsi.
I’m limited to the handful of Dari phrases I learned(and forgot) working with Shi’a Hazara in Afghan.
Getting an unbiased and raw sense of news media would be awesome.
Let’s hope there’s offset/non-attributable money and resources flooding into Iran to fuel working class based “sparks”.
QRHELPFUL 2.0
It would be interesting to learn how Iran’s working class is organised.
Unions, athletic clubs, community hubs, etc and what level of surveillance/influence/control IRGC has on them.
I distinctly remember when Solidarity won, and the cascade that followed.
I’m hopeful we can see the same again with Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, and Russia.
Look what happens when there's a Veteran in the House...
“If you walk out this hallway, and you take a right and a right and another right, you’re going to come to several beautiful walls that have the names of our fallen service members from the War on Terror,” Mast began. “And I would ask, can any of you provide me with one name on that wall that doesn’t justify killing Soleimani?”
The congressman noted that he still had two minutes and thirty seconds of time left and would “be more than happy” to sit there and wait for an answer.
“Somebody provide me with a name on that wall that does not justify his killing,” he said.
Crickets...
https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/14/gop-rep-stumps-foreign-relations-committee-panel-with-pointed-question-about-killing-of-soleimani/
coolusername
02-24-2020, 02:18
Look what happens when there's a Veteran in the House...
“If you walk out this hallway, and you take a right and a right and another right, you’re going to come to several beautiful walls that have the names of our fallen service members from the War on Terror,” Mast began. “And I would ask, can any of you provide me with one name on that wall that doesn’t justify killing Soleimani?”
The congressman noted that he still had two minutes and thirty seconds of time left and would “be more than happy” to sit there and wait for an answer.
“Somebody provide me with a name on that wall that does not justify his killing,” he said.
Crickets...
https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/14/gop-rep-stumps-foreign-relations-committee-panel-with-pointed-question-about-killing-of-soleimani/
So what do you want to say? What do you mean?
So what do you want to say? What do you mean?
coolusername
It is obvious from your three posts so far that you have not followed the rules of this site with your first post - and have nothing to add to the conversations.
Your next post should be in the right place and the next after that add something to the boards or you're gone.