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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-and-national-guard-for-police-who-fail-to-enforce-gun-control-legislation.
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Do you want to start a civil war, cause that's how you start a civil war......
Florida Patriot
12-12-2019, 09:30
What happens in Virginia will happen nationwide.
This is the pivot point. This is the Battle of Saratoga, or Gettysburg, for gun rights.
They have no legal basis to pass unconstitutional gun laws, but they do it every day. At that point if you have to do something illegal according to unconstitutional laws, you should be prepared to resist with deadly force the men who are willing to destroy you to enforce them or to comply. When the time comes you have to make the choice between what is right and what is easy.
My prayers & support are with my VA brethren.
I always find it interesting that the stance from an elected democrat is always "elections have consequences"
The stance from all unelected democrats is always one of obstruction, disunity, dysfunction, rebellion, and resistance.
Why is that?
Democrats love to say "Trump is not my president" - well, in spite of the horrible taste it puts in my mouth and the fact that it also caused 8 years worth of loose stools, Barack Hussein Obama was my president.
So, I am ok with Democrats that love to say "Trump is not my president" - because if he is NOT their president, they are not my countrymen.
The Reaper
12-12-2019, 10:28
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-and-national-guard-for-police-who-fail-to-enforce-gun-control-legislation.
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What about the immigration laws?:munchin
Maybe we could use the National Guard to enforce those laws.
TR
Ret10Echo
12-12-2019, 10:43
Who exactly do those idiot dims think are the people that comprise the National Guard within their state?
Hessians?
Submitted to my dear internet friends throughout this fine bulletin board that we share - may this post enrich your soul and bring hope at this most joyous time of year..........
I recently had a talk with a very close and very trusted friend that I have known since my childhood. My friend is in such disbelief of the shit show transpiring across this great nation of ours - more specifically the current threat to personal freedom in the state of Virginia - that he actually questioned if there really was such a place as a free state of Virginia.
I had to tell him...
...yes Santa Claus, there IS a Virginia
The media and members of the democratic party are wrong Santa - they have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe anything except that which they see or get told by their evil democrat overlords. They think that nothing can exist which is not easily comprehensible by their tiny little minds.
Freedom in the state of Virginia exists as certainly as North and South Carolina exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no freedom in Virginia. It would be as dreary as if there were no Santa Claus. There would be no childlike faith in our government, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which freedom fills the world would be extinguished.
All democrat minds are small Santa, whether they be local representatives, US Congressmen, or presidential candidates. In this great great universe of ours, democrats are mere insects, aimless little pissants, in their intellect, as compared with the boundless world about them, - blindly grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. Both concepts beyond the understanding of a common leftist.
Not believe in a free Virginia??? You might as well not believe in rainbows !!! You might get your papa to hire men to search Google Maps to find freedom in Virginia, but even if they did not see freedom on Google Maps, what would that prove? Nobody "sees" freedom Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no freedom left in Virginia. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor grownups can see. Can you touch a rainbow??? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
...except democrats. Democrats are just the worst.
You could tear apart the Bill of Rights to try and find where freedom was born but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest cis-gendered democrat, nor even the united strength of all the strongest multi-gendered democrats that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith and a thirst for freedom from democratic oppression can cast aside that curtain and view the beauty and glory of freedom in the state of Virginia. Is freedom in the state of Virginia real??? Ah my dear friend Santa, in all this world there is nothing else more real and abiding than freedom in the heart of the citizens of Virginia.
Yes Santa Claus there is a Virginia !!! Thank God she lives, and she lives forever. A thousand years from now, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, she will continue to make glad the heart of freedom in the real Americans that call Virginia home.
...or at least until the democrats finish fucking things up.
Old Dog New Trick
12-12-2019, 13:06
That will last all of about 3-seconds!!!
rsdengler
12-12-2019, 13:32
That will last all of about 3-seconds!!!
Yeah, sort of like a male Democrap Politician having sex......Ahhh damn... pre-jack......:D
Sorry, couldn't resist.....
WTF is wrong with Democraps? What a Shit Show in VA. Oh lets try to pass a BS law that deprives legal abiding citizens of their rights as gun owners. And you want to threaten and say "that there will be consequences" to the police departments that don't enforce that law? What a crock of hooey. This from the same morons that are to pussy assed to pass and enforce laws holding scumbag criminals accountable for crimes using illegal guns. Pass the popcorn, I'm just waiting for a front row seat at the Guillotine Show....
Old Dog New Trick
12-12-2019, 14:36
Just in case we need a refresher course.
The Battle of Athens
https://constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
Maybe the two (or more) Democrats from VA should have studied non-revisionist history when they attended school.
Just some thoughts below - these seem to me to be reasonable cornerstones of our still free nation - there are, however, some legislators and some judges who obviously disagree.
*Each and every home...of every single law abiding citizen in the United States of America...is a gun sanctuary with or without a specific statute proclaiming so.
*Passing a law that is obviously repugnant to the Constitution and clearly infringes on the 2A is invalid on its face.
*A law, invalid on its face, is an empty legislative point without force of law or vitality particularly as it applies to - and especially - if it infringes on the 2A.
*Gun confiscation/registration (actual or by virtue of statute) imposed on a free people is the tool of tyrants...this movie has played before.
"Concord Hymn" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.
The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.
On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set to-day a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.
Spirit, that made those heroes dare
To die, and leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.
bblhead672
12-12-2019, 15:42
Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin better hope that 99% of Virginia National Guardsmen come from the Democrat cities AND share his belief system.
Getting the VA Guard involved could result in the Sheriffs and their militias have powerful allies.
Golf1echo
12-12-2019, 17:25
There is us and then there is them, I can understand that even though I don’t agree with much of what they think........What I can’t understand are the others, especially in this day and age? In earnest can anyone explain why so many registered voters aren’t voting? In the larger picture these elected officials in many cases are not truly representatives...
:(
From Virginia’s own government site:
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/resultsreports/registrationturnout-statistics/
In the 1992 L.A. Riots, the Guard was called up but were not issued ammo. I know of some guys that brought their own after seeing what was going on in the streets.
The VA Guard won't have ammo either, if they even show up. Also, the governor may be careful what he wishes for, they could just as easily take over the state house. Or the President could Federalize them.
Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.
“They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said.
McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.
“And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.”
What a buffoon. The governor can "activate" or "call up" the National Guard, but he cannot "nationalize" it. And if he is referring to a presidential order "federalizing" the Guard (placing them under federal control) well, I think that is a dandy idea. And what orders do you thing President Donald Trump will give to a federalized National Guard?
It's been done before.
You may recall when the Brown vs. Alabama and related cases called for enforcement of various civil rights laws allowing black students into formerly all white schools. The governors of Alabama (George Wallace) and Arkansas (Orval Faubus) activated their state National Guard to prevent black students from entering the schools. President Kennedy and President Eisenhower simply cut the legs out from under the governors by calling the Guard into federal service, placing them under presidential control. (And in the case of Eisenhower, emphasizing the point by bringing in the 327th Infantry Battalion from the 101st Airborne Division into Little Rock).
Yeah, I could see President Trump doing something like that to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" and to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."
Badger52
12-12-2019, 19:59
...yes Santa Claus, there IS a VirginiaThe Virginia Citizen's Defense League has been facilitating these resolutions in counties across VA but they are getting done via local folks. It's not a few people travelling around to stir things up. They have an organization, something usually seen in the DNCommie front groups.
They are doing a trip to Richmond in January. I am usually not optimistic about such "pilgrimages" but the organization of it, from many for the good of the whole, is a neat thing to see. (Would that others in other states were willing to do such.) Here's their page (https://www.vcdl.org/) with their charter bus schedule, online ticket purchasing info, pickup stops along the way, etc. Pretty good for a non-Soros bunch of po'd Virginians.
With Governor Ralphie backing off confiscation of existing weapons and saying they'd consider grandfathering weapons if you just REGISTER THEM during a "Grace period" that idea has the glide angle of a B-24 with 2 engines out.
Virginians (and the bulk of the citizens in the bulk of their counties) could be having their "Ten Bears will move no more" moment.
I live in Virginia and my county passed the Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution.
The folks pushing for this idiotic legislation are for the most part from Northern Virginia (around DC) and the Richmond area. The vast majority of the rest of the state will not support this legislation (I hope).
If push comes to shove, any anti second amendment laws passed will be brought to the courts and will be overturned.
I seriously doubt that many will turn in their weapons or even consider doing so just as I doubt many elected sheriffs will attempt to go house to house to search for them.
Just some ramblings from a very annoyed citizen who is constantly amazed by the abject stupidity of elected officials and the terminally brain dead who vote for them.
Ret10Echo
12-13-2019, 07:16
WTF ?? I'm "happy" that I'm in Maryland??
Virginia. You're killing me.
Badger52
12-13-2019, 07:55
...constantly amazed by the abject stupidity of elected officials and the terminally brain dead who vote for them.Never underestimate the power of large truckloads of Bloomberg & DNC cash to flip a state blue. Those with the fattened wallets are now expected to do the bidding of the Dark Overlords.
...
I think another county and a city or two (incl Chesapeake) has been added in the last couple days.
Edited to update correct graphic dtd 11 Dec.
New bill in VA as of 5 DEC 2019:
A. As used in this article, "public safety employee" means any law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-500.
B. Any public safety employee of the Commonwealth, or of any county, city, town or other political subdivision thereof, or of any agency of any one of them, who, in concert with two or more other such employees, for the purpose of obstructing, impeding or suspending any activity or operation of his employing agency or any other governmental agency, strikes or willfully refuses to perform the duties of his employment shall, by such action, be deemed to have terminated his employment and shall thereafter be ineligible for employment in any position or capacity during the next twelve 12 months by the Commonwealth, or any county, city, town or other political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or by any department or agency of any of them.
§ 40.1-56. Department head, etc., to notify public safety employee of such termination, etc
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67
Florida Patriot
12-13-2019, 19:01
New bill in VA as of 5 DEC 2019:
A. As used in this article, "public safety employee" means any law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-500.
B. Any public safety employee of the Commonwealth, or of any county, city, town or other political subdivision thereof, or of any agency of any one of them, who, in concert with two or more other such employees, for the purpose of obstructing, impeding or suspending any activity or operation of his employing agency or any other governmental agency, strikes or willfully refuses to perform the duties of his employment shall, by such action, be deemed to have terminated his employment and shall thereafter be ineligible for employment in any position or capacity during the next twelve 12 months by the Commonwealth, or any county, city, town or other political subdivision of the Commonwealth, or by any department or agency of any of them.
§ 40.1-56. Department head, etc., to notify public safety employee of such termination, etc
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67
So if you disagree to enforce this tyranny you get a slug to the back of the head?
So if you disagree to enforce this tyranny you get a slug to the back of the head?
No, just fired from your position. In a non sanctuary jurisdiction they could fire you if your like a street cop who doesn't relish getting his head blown off.
How this would play out in a sanctuary county I don't know. State Gubmint comes into the local county gov and takes over appointing their own, Soros approved henchmen in any and all positions?? Say, from the county Board of Supervisors on down through Sheriff and street cop?? Use Antifa to take the place of cops??
Guess I'll have to look up the order of battle for the Virginia National Guard and get a big map of Virginia.
"The VNG’s current strength is 7,200 Soldiers, 1,200 Airmen, 300 Virginia Defense Force members and 400 federal and state civilians, and they bring more than $250 million in annual income into the commonwealth."
Rots of Ruck to'em if they go that route... :munchin
Badger52
12-13-2019, 21:00
Use Antifa to take the place of cops??
Heh. There isn't a shortage of folks who'd say "pretty please, use Antifa."
Badger52
12-14-2019, 04:52
New bill in VA as of 5 DEC 2019:
Just my $.02, reading the actual bill, it's an amendment with some typographical edits that amend existing statute (e.g., spell out 'ten' vs. '10' etc.). I have a hunch the edits were done to introduce it onto the front burner (it already exists) as a shot across the bow. The consequences of what county sheriffs are standing up for was already there; they know what they're doing.
:munchin
Golf1echo
12-14-2019, 14:28
VNG issues a statement:
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/12/13/va-national-guard-issues-statement-calls-enforce-gun-control/
One of the best summary of some COAs
http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published/2nd_amen.pdf
Combat Diver
12-14-2019, 22:32
If the law is the law, then why do they infringe on Article II?
CD
If they do end up using the NG, and they do follow through with the legislation and plan on kicking out the (I'm assuming) large number of sheriffs and law-enforcement that don't want to comply, it'd turn into a trigger point for something bigger, especially if they used the NG to police the whole damn state.
But I'm betting they want to avoid that. Legislation might just be a power play and they might selectively enforce it.
One of the best summary of some COAs
http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published/2nd_amen.pdf
His comments about what would happen to property and families of National Guard members who complied with orders is what has been kicking around in my mind for some time.
It's happened during the Revolution and Civil War. Tar, meet feathers.
I've seen versions done locally; no violence or property damage. But two individuals opposing a popular measure, and who had local businesses saw business collapse.
7200 National Guard isn't enough to hold down all of Virginia
If they do end up using the NG, and they do follow through with the legislation and plan on kicking out the (I'm assuming) large number of sheriffs and law-enforcement that don't want to comply, it'd turn into a trigger point for something bigger, especially if they used the NG to police the whole damn state.
But I'm betting they want to avoid that. Legislation might just be a power play and they might selectively enforce it.
Maybe bureaucrats want to avoid it, but if that were the case then why pick a fight and put yourself in the position for a confrontation. Like many incidents over the past several years you have a some persons (bureaucrats, activists and media) who are more than willing to tip it over the edge or allow things to get out of hand.
Who's agenda Ralph Northam continuing ? Hmmmm....Terry McAuliffe of Charlottesville fame.
Charlottesville review: Faulty planning, passive police led to 'disastrous results' at Aug. 12 rally (https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/charlottesville-review-faulty-planning-passive-police-led-to-disastrous-results/article_90234a84-9cc2-59f4-bb6f-9dfb158cf154.html)
Faulty planning, passive Police.........that's like Mike Horowitz being unable to find intent.
mark46th
12-15-2019, 09:58
I would think someone in Virginia along with the NRA would file suit about a Second Amendment violation. Also, this is exactly why the framers of the Constitution added the Second Amendment... Does everyone now understand how important it was electing President Trump?
Maybe bureaucrats want to avoid it, but if that were the case then why pick a fight and put yourself in the position for a confrontation. Like many incidents over the past several years you have a some persons (bureaucrats, activists and media) who are more than willing to tip it over the edge or allow things to get out of hand.
Who's agenda Ralph Northam continuing ? Hmmmm....Terry McAuliffe of Charlottesville fame.
Charlottesville review: Faulty planning, passive police led to 'disastrous results' at Aug. 12 rally (https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/charlottesville-review-faulty-planning-passive-police-led-to-disastrous-results/article_90234a84-9cc2-59f4-bb6f-9dfb158cf154.html)
Faulty planning, passive Police.........that's like Mike Horowitz being unable to find intent.
Bad link Pas. Try this:
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/charlottesville-review-faulty-planning-passive-police-led-to-disastrous-results/article_90234a84-9cc2-59f4-bb6f-9dfb158cf154.html
Bad link Pas. Try this:
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/charlottesville-review-faulty-planning-passive-police-led-to-disastrous-results/article_90234a84-9cc2-59f4-bb6f-9dfb158cf154.html
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Badger52
12-15-2019, 17:39
Who's agenda Ralph Northam continuing ?The DNC and Michael "Just a Regular Guy Now Named 'Mike'" Bloomberg laid out a metric shit-ton of bak-sheesh to turn that state blue. Neither organism does that because of their charitable nature.
"They get a paycheck. But with your paychecks comes some restrictions and responsibilities."
-Mike Bloomberg
bblhead672
12-16-2019, 13:58
His comments about what would happen to property and families of National Guard members who complied with orders is what has been kicking around in my mind for some time.
It's happened during the Revolution and Civil War. Tar, meet feathers.
I've seen versions done locally; no violence or property damage. But two individuals opposing a popular measure, and who had local businesses saw business collapse.
7200 National Guard isn't enough to hold down all of Virginia
Nor is 7200 NG enough to hold down the volunteers who would most likely be streaming into the state to stand with the Virginians.
A interesting argument that would turn the conversation on the confiscation.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
The Virginia State Capitol was the Capitol of the Confederate States of America in the 1st American Civil War. I guess they're eager for a rematch.
Old Dog New Trick
12-16-2019, 18:18
I was thinking that both sides would be responsible and it would make what happened in Charlottesville seem like a child’s tantrum.
If the Dims want it, let it begin!
Those who studied “alternative history” from “alternative professors” are surly bound to make new mistakes previously used as examples not to be repeated.
A rock solid argument for the 2nd Amendment.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- George Orwell1
Let’s start with this: The citizen’s right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right. The political principle at stake is quite simple: to deny the state the monopoly of armed force. This should perhaps be stated in the obverse: to empower the citizenry, to distribute the power of armed force among the citizenry as a whole. The history of arguments and struggles over this principle, throughout the world, is long and clear. Instituted in the context of a revolutionary struggle based on the most democratic concepts of its day, the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution is perhaps the clearest legal/constitutional expression of this principle, and as such, I think, is one of the most radical statutes in the world.
The question of gun rights is a political question, in the broad sense that it touches on the distribution of power in a polity. Thus, although it incorporates all these perfectly legitimate “sub-political” activities, it is not fundamentally about hunting, or collecting, or target practice; it is about empowering the citizen relative to the state. Denying the importance of, or even refusing to understand, this fundamental point of the Second Amendment right, and sneering at people who do, symptomizes a politics of paternalist statism – not (actually the opposite of) a politics of revolutionary liberation.
I’ll pause right here. For me, and for most supporters of gun rights, however inartfully they may put it, this is the core issue. To have an honest discussion of what’s at stake when we talk about “gun rights,” “gun control,” etc., everyone has to know, and acknowledge, his/her position on this fundamental political principle. Do you hold that the right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right?
If you do, then you are ascribing it a strong positive value, you will be predisposed to favor its extension to all citizens, you will consider whatever “regulations” you think are necessary (because some might be) with the greatest circumspection (because those “regulations” are limitations on a right, and rights, though never as absolute as we may like, are to be cherished), you will never seek, overtly or surreptitiously, to eliminate that right entirely – and your discourse will reflect all of that. If you understand gun ownership as a political right, then, for you, if there weren’t a second amendment, there should be.
If, on the other hand, you do not hold that the right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right, if you think it is some kind of luxury or peculiarity or special prerogative, then, of course, you really won’t give a damn about how restricted that non-right is, or whether it is ignored or eliminated altogether. If you reject, or don’t understand, gun ownership as a political right, then you probably think the Second Amendment should never have been.
It is my perception, based on public evidence, as well as countless conversations on the subject, that the latter position is that of most self-identified American liberals. However they may occasionally, tactically, craft their discourse to pretend, for an audience that does value the right of citizens to arm themselves, that they too value that right, most American liberals just do not. They do not even understand why it should be considered a right at all, in the sense elaborated above. They would love to restrict it as much as possible, and they would just as soon be done with the American constitutional guarantee of that right, the Second Amendment, which they see as some kind of embarrassing anachronism.
I think we should have this discussion honestly. If the latter is your position, say it. If you want to eliminate the Second Amendment right, mount a forthright political campaign to do so. Do not pussy-foot around with “I am not against the Second Amendment. I do not want to take your hunting rifles and your shotguns, and your antique muskets,” when you really don’t like the Second Amendment at all, would love to see it repealed, and wouldn’t mind if everybody was forced to turn in every weapon that they owned.
‘Cause, guess what: You’re not fooling anybody. When your discourse reeks with intellectual and moral disdain for gun-rights and gun-rights advocates, when it never endorses, and indeed at best studiously avoids, the issue of gun ownership as a fundamental political right, it shows. And it certainly shows when you say outright that you’d love to confiscate all guns, no matter how you try to waffle on that later. Despite what’s implied in the ever-present disdain, gun rights advocates are not, ipso facto, stupid (or violent, or crazy), and certainly not too stupid to see where you’re heading. So let’s stop gaslighting gun-rights supporters as paranoid when they state what they see:
- See more at: http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01/the-rifle-on-wall-left-argument-for-gun.html#sthash.u8JDygRQ.dpuf
^^Good read Penn.
Statists and communists all know this...deep down they...the folks who would cram their political agenda down everyone’s throat if they could...know this...
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
~Mao Zedong
...therefore in their perfect world ONLY the state shall be armed.
Well, fu&k that. We are Americans. We are a unique political experiment. The people shall be armed.
BFYTW
It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/
cat in the hat
12-17-2019, 11:40
It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/
Essentially, they (anti gun crowd) want to "infringe" the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms but they don't want a militia to be "well regulated ".
bblhead672
12-18-2019, 12:52
My right to possess and use modern weaponry for self defense of myself, my family and my property is not a political right, it is a basic human right.
Politicians, communists (am I repeating myself?), media members and academics do not get to decide if I am entitled to basic human rights.
Leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.
It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/
In the past these type of groups have drawn a long host of sketchy individuals and group such as July4Patriot aka Charles Dyer, The Hutaree and many others. So is forming Militias a good move, or does it provide an easy target for the various agencies and media? I seem to recall some very capable and knowledgeable individuals who were of the mind that hiding in plain sight and the Lone Wolf was much more difficult to reign in than organized groups.
In the past these type of groups have drawn a long host of sketchy individuals and group such as July4Patriot aka Charles Dyer, The Hutaree and many others. So is forming Militias a good move, or does it provide an easy target for the various agencies and media? I seem to recall some very capable and knowledgeable individuals who were of the mind that hiding in plain sight and the Lone Wolf was much more difficult to reign in than organized groups.
Yup. All it will take is for one yahoo to misuse a weapon and ALL anti-gun money, arguments and efforts will focus a COMPLIANT & CORRUPT media to focus public opinion on crushing the scary men in camo...who own guns. IMO EASY target.
Yup. All it will take is for one yahoo to misuse a weapon and ALL anti-gun money, arguments and efforts will focus a COMPLIANT & CORRUPT media to focus public opinion on crushing the scary men in camo...who own guns. IMO EASY target.
Come to think of it, the original Minutemen wore their daily wear to battle. I believe the Virginians should take note of that.
Come to think of it, the original Minutemen wore their daily wear to battle. I believe the Virginians should take note of that.
We the people make up the unorganized militia.
The right to bear arms is guaranteed to individuals.
Organized militias, private militias or select militias may create some liability, unnecessary distraction, and preemption concerns in this hyper-politically charged environment. The ability for the opposition to “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy” is a realistic concern.
IMO the message of solidarity sent by the good people of the Commonwealth of Virginia is loud and clear merely by voting sanctuary status.
Badger52
12-18-2019, 19:00
In the past these type of groups have drawn a long host of sketchy individuals and group such as July4Patriot aka Charles Dyer, The Hutaree and many others. So is forming Militias a good move, or does it provide an easy target for the various agencies and media? I seem to recall some very capable and knowledgeable individuals who were of the mind that hiding in plain sight and the Lone Wolf was much more difficult to reign in than organized groups.The bulk of the media will conflate the term 'militia' as a perjorative for everything they've hyped over the years, right or wrong.
I don't speak for them, but I get a sense from their bulletins that they're aware of the potential for agents provacateurs and there will be some better than normal vetting going on. Ditto from any comparable groups that may want to assist from out of state (which I have misgivings about but the VCDL knows their brethren in the surrounding area). If you visit their website they've got pretty solid guidance on what their Lobby Day is and some guidelines for conduct; the first of those is that it's a Lobby Day, not a 'Protest' Day (since the proposed legislation hasn't even been introduced yet).
Ret10Echo
12-18-2019, 23:48
Militia... I've been a student of the various state's acts through history. The present day media spin definitely demonstrates an unsurpassed level of ignorance on the thoughts and intent of the Founders. There is also a significant evolution of the legal definitions and control of the militia as it moved from a very state-centric institution to something that could be used at a national level.
As my signature line states "gradual and silent encroachments of those in power "
Militia Act of 1792
whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, the same being notified to the President of the United States, by an associate justice or the district judge, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislature of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session.
The Whiskey Rebellion is a prime example of this act where the militias from New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia were called into service within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to put down the rebellion
Under the National Defense Act of 1916,1790 the militia, which had been an almost purely state institution, was brought under the control of the National Government. The term “militia of the United States” was defined to comprehend “all able-bodied male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have . . . declared their intention to become citizens of the United States,” between the ages of eighteen and forty-five.
And now we have a "National" guard...
I under stand that Lee County has also authorized a militia. I think that they would structure it so it's under the control of the Sheriff and the County B of Supers.
https://gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/GOA-VCDL-Response-to-Herring-AO-December-26-2019.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1qjsGsAcdY5ricLt5U9kgB_EvvhU-QkFiL1WeQ3kOk5dSFqZnRedy5CYs
In response, local government officials who have sworn an Oath to uphold the federal and state constitutions unquestionably have the inherent power — and the duty — to refuse to enforce such unconstitutional laws, and even to protect the People against enforcement.
Sooo... the locals form "Militias" tied to the local sheriff, and start helping the Feds round up illegals?? :munchin
The message from the democratic party is always pretty simple to understand...
Do as you are told America.
...and fuck your constitution - it was written by misogynist hypocrite slave owners
Now - turn in your guns and eat your government issued crayons
The message from the democratic party is always pretty simple to understand...
Do as you are told America.
...and fuck your constitution - it was written by misogynist hypocrite slave owners
Now - turn in your guns and eat your government issued crayons
Ma’am, yes ma’am supreme queen Killery! :D
Trapper John
12-28-2019, 14:32
So, I have been reading two books by David Kilcullen that I received for Christmas ("The Accidental Guerrilla" and "Out of the Mountains the Coming Age of the Urban Guerrilla") and in light of the comments in this thread as well those in the civil war thread, I realize that we are becoming the insurgents? If so, I am proud to be in your company!:lifter
Not that long ago -waaay waaay back at the turn of the decade Eric Sauer submitted a research paper while attending the Naval Postgraduate School. The title of his submission:
Imagining the Impossible: Insurgency in the U.S.A. (https://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/5739/11Mar_Sauer.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
A lot has happened in ten years and a leftist state government threatening the constitutional rights of the citizens is pretty antagonistic - almost like they are daring Americans to speak out in support of their rights.
Then consider when the catchphrase is "foreign AND domestic" the key victory is no more complicated than being the person that gets to define the word "enemy"
If you wonder how the leftists in Virginia would characterize the citizens who are in opposition to the black-face wearing VA governor, I would remind you of what their hero said about people with this type of attitude when he was seeking the parties nomination for president...
"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Might I remind everyone that this was the same guy that said elections have consequences.
Ret10Echo
12-28-2019, 23:34
Not that long ago -waaay waaay back at the turn of the decade Eric Sauer submitted a research paper while attending the Naval Postgraduate School. The title of his submission:
Imagining the Impossible: Insurgency in the U.S.A. (https://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/5739/11Mar_Sauer.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
A lot has happened in ten years and a leftist state government threatening the constitutional rights of the citizens is pretty antagonistic - almost like they are daring Americans to speak out in support of their rights.
Then consider when the catchphrase is "foreign AND domestic" the key victory is no more complicated than being the person that gets to define the word "enemy"
If you wonder how the leftists in Virginia would characterize the citizens who are in opposition to the black-face wearing VA governor, I would remind you of what their hero said about people with this type of attitude when he was seeking the parties nomination for president...
"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Might I remind everyone that this was the same guy that said elections have consequences.
For some reason I sit and giggle thinking about the level of tactical proficiency of local law enforcement......
It's almost unfair.
Happy New Year
Trapper John
12-29-2019, 09:08
Originally posted by Ret10 Echo: For some reason I sit and giggle thinking about the level of tactical proficiency of local law enforcement......
It's almost unfair.
:lifter
Oh, and Box, thanks for reminding me of Sauer's thesis. Prophetic he was.:D
Trapper John
12-29-2019, 09:34
Originally posted by Box:Then consider when the catchphrase is "foreign AND domestic" the key to victory is no more complicated than being the person that gets to define the word "enemy"
BINGO:lifter
In such situations, that is the victor after the kinetic phase of conflict. ;)
Golf1echo
12-29-2019, 12:35
“ Not that long ago - waaay waaay back” another author, Thomas Paine, wrote a series of pamphlets called “The American Crisis”.
https://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/
December 23, 1776
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph...
The Battle of Trenton AKA Washington Crossing the Delaware, Dec.26 1776 a pivotal moment in the conception of our great country reflected the same determination that our notion of freedoms and liberty should prevail.
Later Thomas Jefferson was to write -
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.
Adding a little texture to how our great country was able form itself on a foundation of Liberty and Freedom for it’s citizens one would only need to look back a little more than a hundred years prior to a period called The Enlightenment. A time when men such as Isaac Newton, Voltaire, DenisDiderot, Marques De Pombal, Erasmus Darwin, etc...wrested power away from the church and the monarchies laying the ground for a country such as ours to be conceived.
It’s ironic in that Liberal Progressives are anything but. Their messaging espouses virtues but translates to control. They attempt to wrest that control back from the people to themselves and their pedestals of power. They delude the articles of law and order as well as our rights guaranteed us by our Bill of Rights as they are inconvenient to their agenda. The above is clearly seen in Governor Northam’s and others attempts to subvert our system of justice, institutions of education and the rights of the people.
What we need are representatives of the people who look to fortify our liberties and livelihoods not the profiteering virtue signaling reprobates we have.
I’m way above my pay grade here but in simpler terms, back in the 1st Battalion of the 507th Parachute Regiment when they asked if you wanted milk and cookies, if you were to say yes, you got nothing... nothing at all
Political Warfare AFO before April 19, 1775.
https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Before-Lexington.pdf
From John Adams himself
In a letter to Dr. Jedediah Morse in 1815, Adams described his feelings about the events of those earlier years:
A history of military operations from April 19th, 1775 to the 3d of September, 1783, is not a history of the American Revolution.... The revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people, and in the union of the colonies; both of which were substantially effected before hostilities commenced.1
You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.
Less Come and Take it crap and more political warfare to solidify and organize the effort.
Badger52
12-30-2019, 05:39
You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.That's a great point. Although it occurred over a longer time period, the stories and sermons were shared up & down the colonies, carried by horseback. The people had formed the judgments & concensus beforehand, aided by the printer & the preacher.
You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.
Less Come and Take it crap and more political warfare to solidify and organize the effort.
This.
Despite the hyperbole - there are any number of steps that can and should be taken at this time.
It is possible and advisable to work multiple tracks simultaneously.
The public (and those following orders) should see folks, neighbors, friends, family who they would support.
Politicians should see folks who are presentable, knowledgeable and committed to their their God given rights which happen to be enshrined in The Constitution. Politicians should be introduced to the the idea that The Bill of Rights is really (undeniably) a Bill of Limitations on Governmental Action!
All that has really happened so far is that in VA the Democrats have come out of the closet and provided their proposed wish list and intentions - it is undeniable as to how far they want to go to infringe on 2A Rights.
In response, local government and the great people of VA have signaled their political opposition. There is a long way to go with the upcoming VA legislative session. Make no mistake they want your guns but IMO now is the time build solid political opposition - and alliances - that VA families can get behind.
VA is, for the moment, the canary in the coal mine...
tom kelly
12-30-2019, 16:44
IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES have risen from individuals to states in this country.
The ultra-liberal left progressives and the grass-roots right will never agree to a peaceful separation for red state- blue state arrangement for this country. There can only be one culture not the diversity that the progressive left keeps expanding a range of ideas and political viability that are now tolerated in public discourse that were unthinkable as few as twenty years ago. The "Joseph Overton Window." The grass-roots right must unite to stop the left, who vote 70% for communist/socialist ideas who believe white people are the problem. Western Civilization has not advanced because of or in spite of school girl gossip from low IQ philosophy that leads to a communist/socialist society. The Leftist claim moral authority because they espouse equality which is a false premise because the left sees equality as affirmative action, quota or a heads up. The grass-roots right to empirical moral authority is RECIPROCITY. This term Reciprocity is the universal law of human cooperation, The Natural Law.
From Virginia Citizens Defense League...
The state's Democratic legislature will be holding hearings on Gov. “Blackface” Northam's anti-gun budget in four locations around the state tomorrow (on Thursday).
We understand that this is short notice. But it would have a significant impact if many of our members could show up and make a 3-minute statement and ask questions of the legislators in attendance
We have to speak out, because your rights are under attack by the Governor of Virginia. Consider:
Governor “Blackface” is supporting SB 16, which would ban commonly-owned firearms in more than one million Virginia households -- a ban that would even outlaw sporting weapons such as the Mossberg 930 Snow Goose.
The Governor has requested $4 million and 18 law-enforcement positions to enforce his gun ban -- a request that could be the preparatory steps for confiscating the guns which would be banned by SB 16.
Moreover, the Governor is requesting another $3.5 million to enforce gun control that has NOT been passed by the legislature and is NOT even current law in Virginia: universal background checks, one gun a month limitations, so-called “red flag” gun confiscation orders, and more.
More at: https://mailchi.mp/5c4493eba134/va-alerturgent-action-on-short-notice-we-need-to-flood-budget-hearings-on-thursday?e=cd5cbda75b
Resistance to illegal and unauthorized government acts is not new — it is an ancient doctrine, historically known as “The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate.”..
Ret10Echo
01-05-2020, 21:31
Laying the groundwork
Whoda thunk that in the mid-Atlantic that the Commonwealth of Virginia would be the first to execute the Crazy Ivan on the 2nd Amendment?
Web link (https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/item/2020/1/hb30/introduced/1/402/)
2020 Session
Budget Bill - HB30 (Introduced)
Bill Order » Office of Public Safety and Homeland Security » Item 402
Q. Included in the appropriation for this Item is $250,000 the first year from the general fund for the estimated net increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment of sentencing legislation as listed below. This amount shall be paid into the Corrections Special Reserve Fund, established pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, Code of Virginia.
1. Allow the removal of firearms from persons who pose substantial risk to themselves or others -- $50,000
2. Prohibit the sale, possession, and transport of assault firearms, trigger activators, and silencers -- $50,000
3. Increase the penalty for allowing a child to access unsecured firearms -- $50,000
4. Prohibit possession of firearms for persons subject to final orders of protection -- $50,000
5. Require background checks for all firearms sales -- $50,000.
The Reaper
01-05-2020, 21:33
It might be time to educate the population about jury nullification.
TR
Ret10Echo
01-05-2020, 21:36
For those in VA...this came across the wire
The Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), a non-profit, non-partisan, grassroots organization dedicated to advancing the fundamental human right of all Virginians to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I Section 13 of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia has organized a rally at Richmond on Martin Luther King Day (20 JAN 2020) to let Virginia’s Governor, Senate & House of Delegates see support for the Second Amendment.
Information on the VCDL Lobby Day 2020: Monday, January 20, 2020 (Martin Luther King Day) is available at : www.vcdl.org
VCDL is chartering buses to Lobby Day on January 20 from different cities throughout the Cpommonwealth. All seats are $35. All depart Richmond at 2 PM. Sign up through Eventbrite; links are listed on www.vcdl.org
Ret10Echo
01-05-2020, 21:45
It might be time to educate the population about jury nullification.
TR
"The People" would have to be willing to go against the entrenched JD's. There will be no sympathetic ear.
What then....??? :munchin
On Wednesday Gov. Ralph Northam (with the blessing of the ACLU) stoked the already high tensions by declaring a state of emergency ahead of the planned Lobby Day on January 20. Northam cited threats as were seen at the 2017 Unite the Right Rally Charlottesville as the reason.
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency-imposes-temporary-gun-ban-for/article_22db22fd-ad59-5a5c-ad78-0b1917ba8c4e.html
elected leader poking the bear to push his agenda.
...US citizens should not be allowed to enjoy their freedoms under the Bill of Rights and yet - this turd is ok with sanctuary cities for Illegal Aliens
Why ? Because, democrats
Badger52
01-16-2020, 06:46
It will be worth watching the event transpire to see if Northam's edict about helmets & masks applies to the carpetbagging Antifa scum that are sure to be invited. VCDL is, and always has been, in regular congenial contact with the VA SP. This is how they know in less than 24 hrs all the permitted ingress points to the area and that there will be 17 magnetometers set up for screening. That's a specific number provided to them, not a guess. Their folks are well-counselled to point out agents provocateurs to the LE and not engage.
How the media portray this will be telling. The previous Charlottesville kluge will be used as a baseline to them - especially since Northam gave it to them - just as the ghost of McVeigh is invoked to avoid discussions of LE over-reach at Ruby Ridge & Waco. They can't help it. To cite the fable, they're "scorpions." It's what they do.
tom kelly
01-16-2020, 14:32
elected leader poking the bear to push his agenda.
...US citizens should not be allowed to enjoy their freedoms under the Bill of Rights and yet - this turd is ok with sanctuary cities for Illegal Aliens
Why ? Because, democrats
The orthodox democrat party has been taken over by the radical progressive left. They do NOT support the U S Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the elected POTUS. They have a vision for the USA that follows the doctrine of Karl Marx. There can be no agreement with the radical left, peaceful separation with them is impossible. The socialist justice and equality eliminated Reciprocity and has given the minority "victim " the advantage e g feminism, illegal alien, and the criminal citizen. The vigorous move by the democrats to eliminate the 2nd Amendment in Virginia is coming to a point of confrontation. The coming weeks will provide an opportunity for the grass roots right to shut this push to socialism down.
Badger52
01-17-2020, 13:53
The orthodox democrat party has been taken over by the radical progressive left. They do NOT support the U S Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the elected POTUS. They have a vision for the USA that follows the doctrine of Karl MarxTimely. Following is a screen-shot from a social media site that calls attention to other stuff that Northam's goons are doing with their left hand while everyone is focused on the 2A fight in their right hand. Note that a couple of them effectively nullify the electoral college at the national level, while in contrast trying to insure that a handful of NoVA counties will elect the governor in perpetuity.
Bloomberg expects to get his money's worth.
wow - doubles the governors term
Politics in VA must be pretty profitable
Badger 52
Va is the test tube along with cali. California passed collective voting. Where one can collect signatures of registered voters and process their vote. Removing the stress of turning out the/to vote ordeal. The one person/one vote rule is dead.
Yes, gun control is a distraction from the full court press of suppression the opposition.
Also, would you be kind enough to forward the website address you pull the list of bills from.
Pulled from the https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?ses=201&typ=bil&val=sj6
SJ 29 Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor.
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SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General. Changes the method of election for the Governor, and by reference, the Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General. The candidate receiving the highest number of votes in a majority of each of the congressional districts shall be declared elected. Under current law, the person receiving the highest number of votes statewide is declared elected. Ties in the number of votes in a given congressional district or in the number of congressional districts won are determined by a majority vote
SJ 6 Constitutional amendment; Governor's term of office (first reference).
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SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Constitutional amendment (first resolution); Governor's term of office. Permits a Governor elected in 2025 and thereafter to succeed himself in office. The amendment allows two four-year terms (either in succession or not in succession) but prohibits election to a third term. Service for more than two years of a partial term counts as service for one term.
SJ 29 Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor.
Introduced by: Amanda F. Chase | all patrons ... notes | add to my profiles
SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Constitutional amendment (first resolution); election of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General. Changes the method of election for the Governor, and by reference, the Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General. The candidate receiving the highest number of votes in a majority of each of the congressional districts shall be declared elected. Under current law, the peron receiving the highest number of votes statewide is declared elected. Ties in the number of votes in a given congressional district or in the number of congressional districts won are determined by a majority vote of the General Assembly.
FULL TEXT
• 01/06/20 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/08/20 20101323D pdf
I found this of interest in regards to Virginia and how it was flipped...Pennsylvania and who knows where else.
When they are appointed as “special master” by Federal Courts to re-draw the electoral map of a state on the other side of the country from where they work, it is hard not to raise an eyebrow.
https://identitydixie.com/2019/11/06/the-un-elected-californian-who-engineered-virginias-permanent-democrat-majority/
https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/expert-reveals-proposal-to-redraw-va-house-map-after-court/article_dd3f2369-d3d5-5d0b-b6f9-c55cf8815156.html
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3248713
AND in other news Gun Control groups called off their 'Annual Rally' on Capital Square aka 'MLK Day Event' due to threats.....so Lobby Day was scheduled to be on MLK Day as well and on Capital Square.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/blog-va/gun-safety-groups-call-off-mlk-day-event-citing-potential-for-violence/
Interesting planning...VCDL planned their event on the same day and place as the Anti-Gun Orgs ...sounds like a cluster f*** in the making.
Badger52
01-17-2020, 19:54
Also, would you be kind enough to forward the website address you pull the list of bills from.
Full disclosure, I didn't pull the list. That was extracted from a social media post that was put up on Gab.
However, the site you referenced should have them, as I found the reference for SB399 there as well, as submitted here (http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+SB399). (This is the one I call "Y'all Can Kiss Your Constitooshun and Notions of the Electoral College Goodbye" bill.)
As to the rest of your post, your observations about the full-spectrum end-game are in the 'X' ring.
While they want to do away with the National EC (won't happen, unconstitutional), SJ29 seems to create a State Electoral College (an idea which might be a threat to California in the future).
First order of business when we get the full Congress back is to repeal the 17th Amendment and give the Senators back to the intended State Legislatures.
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AND in other news Gun Control groups called off their 'Annual Rally' on Capital Square aka 'MLK Day Event' due to threats.....so Lobby Day was scheduled to be on MLK Day as well and on Capital Square.
....
They found an effective way to silence the right. Just keep sending bogus threats, and shouting down. Making laws and declaring states of emergency. Funnel protesters into a caged lot and forbid them their rights of self protection. The right gets tired and scared and takes their ball and goes home.
PSMFirst order of business when we get the full Congress back is to repeal the 17th Amendment and give the Senators back to the intended State Legislatures.
What is your reasoning for giving back to state legislatures the right to choose their senators, rather than the voting public?
Also, it a good idea to cancel the 2A rally on the 20th. Envision the chaos and PR opportunity to hammer away at 2A supporters, who may be forced to defend themselves from the violent opposition, they would surly be confronted with at the rally.
Badger52
01-18-2020, 11:00
Also, it a good idea to cancel the 2A rally on the 20th. Envision the chaos and PR opportunity to hammer away at 2A supporters, who may be forced to defend themselves from the violent opposition, they would surly be confronted with at the rally.Are you asking if, or stating it should be cancelled? There are 2 sides to that coin, both positions vigorously stated to this point. One side advocates cancelling because the opportunity is ripe for Northam to enable his thugs and most of the media will cooperate because... parasites.
The other side says, "we've held this event annually for many years & have good relations with the SP & Capital police. Quit or else the left will hate us? They already do. Quit because the media are untrustworthy? They already are. Quit because we're abdicating our 1A rights? Uh... no."
PSM
What is your reasoning for giving back to state legislatures the right to choose their senators, rather than the voting public?
That's how the Founders set it up originally because we are a Federation of States, not a Democracy. The House was established to represent the people in small congressional districts and the Senate was established to represent the states themselves. Using Arizona as an example, the state legislature here would never have sent McCain and/or Flake to the Senate as neither represented the state the way the State Legislators wanted. McCain, for instance, was against the border wall and for Obama Care, neither of which the State agreed with. They would have removed him. Likewise Flake. Plus, it's likely that there would not be the life-long Senate seat holders like Byrd, Kennedy, etc.
They found an effective way to silence the right. Just keep sending bogus threats, and shouting down. Making laws and declaring states of emergency. Funnel protesters into a caged lot and forbid them their rights of self protection. The right gets tired and scared and takes their ball and goes home.
The groups that cancelled were groups like Virginia Center for Public Safety, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence which are likely left leaning. The VCDL event is still going to take place as planned.
What I find interesting is after Northam declares a state of emergency, the FBI right on queue busts some clods from an out of town group named The Base who were 'allegedly' in the process of attacking the event. At least one of the busts involved an informant who, based on previous busts of this nature, likely enticed the clods with promises of some contraband, or maybe they posted stupid training videos. If post 2007 busts of this nature are a litmus these clods will have an extended stay in jail only to have the charges dropped...
Also of interest is that ANTIFA announced yesterday that their members would be standing side by side in unity with the members of VCDL.
So we now have the VCDL gathering compared to Charlottesville, associated with evil doers from The Base, rubbing elbows with the violent group ANTIFA, protesting gun control on the sacred MLK holiday and the Impeachment trial begins next week.
And it's all by chance... :munchin
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And it's all by chance... :munchin
:munchin
Yup...
Thing is, people using that logic to cancel the event or not go, can apply the same logic to any and all future gun shows, Knob Creek, and any other "event" where people with guns decide to meet.
Dangerous!!! State of Emergency!!!! Red Alert!!!!
These are the people that are afraid of their own shadow, and are against everyone else having firearms, but have their own armed private security, who of course, will be exempt from these new "laws".
...and I really don't think ANTIFA is joining anyone, they are just blowing smoke to give them a reason to be there to stir and start shit. Only problem with their logic is... the people they are starting shit with, are armed and normally not the usual people ANTIFA hit with bike locks.
Dup post....not sure hoe that happened.
Badger52
01-18-2020, 14:35
That's how the Founders set it up originally because we are a Federation of States, not a Democracy.X-ring. This wasn't their top of the list method at first either. It was a MAJOR bone of contention during the ratification discussions as well as the tail end of the convention. The "populous" states had won their representation based on population (House) and the smaller states put their foot down and said "No, unless..." they got some equity in representation in the other side of the legislature, to wit, 2 per state, no matter how big you are and "We the states will decide who that is in our legislature so that we may have some control to recall someone not looking out for our interests." Without that modification it's unlikely the thing would've been ratified when it was.
Badger52
01-18-2020, 15:28
Calling it like she sees it.
(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/6844a942bab0dc30.png):cool:
FAA is involved - no fly zone
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_4707.html
That's so no one hits their drones...
FAA is involved - no fly zone
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_4707.html
Seems a bit extreme for a relatively small rally, am I wrong?
Seems a bit extreme for a relatively small rally, am I wrong?
Nothing about their response has been not extreme...
State of Emergency
Laws disarming people
Putting up corrals to hold protesters in large herds
metal detectors on public streets and property...
No fly zones
Drones doing surveillance runs of the area
The list grows.
That's so no one hits their drones...
In addition it might also limit the media ability to have eyes on the activities on the ground.
Without that modification it's unlikely the thing would've been ratified when it was.
Exactly. Yet, the Constitution was ratified without the Bill of Rights. Interesting that the fight today is against certain Rights of the People and not the reinstitution of the States control of the Senate.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and quite a few other sons of ole' Virginny are probably spinning in their graves faster than your garden variety pulsar...
...and somehow conservatives are the ones that need a moral rebuke.
YGTBMFSM
Combat Diver
01-19-2020, 03:13
And just like that the Dems put up a wall...….
CD
Crazy world...
...the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances...under constant surveillance, under state of emergency, disarmed, infiltrated, funneled into holding pens behind chain link fences...to merely maintain their own inalienable rights...shall not be infringed.
Or...as “Coonman” says...”WHATEVER!”
GratefulCitizen
01-20-2020, 01:03
In addition it might also limit the media ability to have eyes on the activities on the ground.
Something fishy here.
Leftist rent-a-mobs up to no good.
Maybe they're hoping some wing nut will do something stupid.
Fits the media narrative of those bitter gun & bible clinging racist Trump supporters.
When does the impeachment trial start?
Did pelosi delay it in order to match timing with an engineerined riot and/or wing nut idiocy?
GC
When does the impeachment trial start?
Did pelosi delay it in order to match timing with an engineerined riot and/or wing nut idiocy?
Play into violence, of any kind, they win PR that day and every day thereafter. Why present that opportunity, that was my thinking on attending the rally.
Something fishy here.
Leftist rent-a-mobs up to no good.
Maybe they're hoping some wing nut will do something stupid.
Fits the media narrative of those bitter gun & bible clinging racist Trump supporters.
When does the impeachment trial start?
Did pelosi delay it in order to match timing with an engineerined riot and/or wing nut idiocy?
I've found the Lobby Day aspect kind of fishy from the beginning, whatever the organizers intentions the rally is ripe for exploitation. It's especially fishy considering that the vast majority of counties and Sheriff's in Virginia are refusing to enforce the Northam Regimes edict on firearms. Why march on Richmond, rather than stand their ground on friendly home turf and let Northam come to them.
Civil War II : The coming breakup of America (https://ia800409.us.archive.org/29/items/CivilWarIITheComingBreakupOfAmerica1996-ThomasW.Chittum/Civil%20War%20II%20-%20The%20Coming%20Breakup%20of%20America.pdf) is an interesting read with the on going events in Virginia.
Badger52
01-20-2020, 09:06
I've found the Lobby Day aspect kind of fishy from the beginning, whatever the organizers intentions the rally is ripe for exploitation.The Lobby Day isn't just about VCDL; it's a traditional happening in VA and 2A supporters are far from the only ones lobbying their politi-critters. Flipping the coin, what would be the message sent if, in the face of chain link fencing, VCDL chose this year to surrender and not attend?
Very balanced coverage including interviews, and (coming later) coverage of the speeches by WRVA AM radio at 1140kHz. I listened early this AM via the wire and HF but now that the sun has come up the rest of us kulaks can listen here:
https://www.radio.com/newsradiowrva/listen
Badger52
01-20-2020, 09:56
On the temp airspace restriction (except for .PTB), this from an on-site source:
UPDATE 1023E 20JAN2020:
SITUATION STILL AOK TO ALL INDICATIONS
Can’t get anywhere near Killbox entry; too many patriots in the way :-).
Crowd remains cool and cooperative with each other.
Impossible to get even a SWAG count of attendees, but they continue to come in by the dozens in front of me as I type.
Local radio promises to broadcast live from 1100-1200; go to https://www.radio.com/newsradiowrva/listen
for coverage.
Cops all cool, even while talking with strangers with slung rifles.
Air assets include at least two helicopters and a orbiting fixed wing; two quadcopter drones < 1000AGL
Edit to add: One of the prevalent signs says "More Patriots Than You Have Handcuffs"
The Lobby Day isn't just about VCDL; it's a traditional happening in VA and 2A supporters are far from the only ones lobbying their politi-critters. Flipping the coin, what would be the message sent if, in the face of chain link fencing, VCDL chose this year to surrender and not attend?
Very balanced coverage including interviews, and (coming later) coverage of the speeches by WRVA AM radio at 1140kHz. I listened early this AM via the wire and HF but now that the sun has come up the rest of us kulaks can listen here:
https://www.radio.com/newsradiowrva/listen
Correct, and I understand that. But once Northam, the FBI and the media hyped up the situation, it became a bit of dicey call for the VCDL. As long as cool heads prevail the event won't be much of a story for the MSM and a win for the VCDL.
Badger52
01-20-2020, 12:28
As long as cool heads prevail the event won't be much of a story for the MSM and a win for the VCDL.Thus far, the cool heads are prevailing and they're with the VCDL and the local LE that are face to face with them. FBI is just reacting as they would. The issue is probably not Northam personally; from their perspective, a Governor has declared a state of emergency and asked for Fed help.
The hottest heads actually continue to be most of the media, who for reasons best known to their handlers using them, continue to address this event with Charlottesville as an equivalent paradigm, which it certainly isn't. When they invoke Charlottesville as a baseline and call this a potential 2.0, they have thus given themselves license to all manner of hysteria.
As WOPR said: "The only winning move is not to play" (to their messaging)
:munchin
Badger52
01-20-2020, 12:58
From instapundit an elevated shot from the Pocahontas Building. It was mentioned that the crowd density pictured extends left & right even further as standing room permits. I've heard that most of the 2020 Dem candidates would love to have an audience this big.
Ret10Echo
01-20-2020, 16:44
From instapundit an elevated shot from the Pocahontas Building. It was mentioned that the crowd density pictured extends left & right even further as standing room permits. I've heard that most of the 2020 Dem candidates would love to have an audience this big.
My understanding was that many attendees did not enter into the designated area on the capital grounds due to it being "gun free" so the surrounding streets were full.
State legislators downplayed the turnout stating it was supposed to be much higher so it proves that Virginians want gun control.
From instapundit an elevated shot from the Pocahontas Building.
Liz Warren has a building in Richmond? :eek:
From instapundit an elevated shot from the Pocahontas Building. It was mentioned that the crowd density pictured extends left & right even further as standing room permits. I've heard that most of the 2020 Dem candidates would love to have an audience this big.
It turned out extremely well ;)
Badger52
01-20-2020, 20:28
State legislators downplayed the turnout stating it was supposed to be much higher so it proves that Virginians want gun control.Makes perfect sense they would do that; sounds just like WaPo calling 1,000 random people in Fairfax county and :eek: what d'ya know? They all want more gun control laws.
However, a pretty solid estimate actually came from the UK Daily Mail coverage at ~22,000 and.... the Capital's own police department said 25,000.
Suck it Northam and the rest of Bloomberg's acolyte$. What if someone was hoping for a riot and nobody came? WRVA interviewed several people who don't even own a gun but said they were there because, to them, it was an overall larger human rights issue.
They have a near-term fight for sure. But it's up to Virginians to take their state back.
Ret10Echo
01-21-2020, 06:12
Makes perfect sense they would do that; sounds just like WaPo calling 1,000 random people in Fairfax county and :eek: what d'ya know? They all want more gun control laws.
However, a pretty solid estimate actually came from the UK Daily Mail coverage at ~22,000 and.... the Capital's own police department said 25,000.
Suck it Northam and the rest of Bloomberg's acolyte$. What if someone was hoping for a riot and nobody came? WRVA interviewed several people who don't even own a gun but said they were there because, to them, it was an overall larger human rights issue.
They have a near-term fight for sure. But it's up to Virginians to take their state back.
Here is the quote from the AP
“I was prepared to see a whole lot more people show up than actually did and I think it’s an indication that a lot of this rhetoric is bluster, quite frankly,” said Del. Chris Hurst,
Combat Diver
01-21-2020, 06:47
If you consider the conservative numbers of 6,000 unarmed in the killbox (thought dems said fences were ineffective) and 16-19,000 outside the fence where the majority were armed. Good 1-2 Divisions worth of militia right there. Largest unorganized ARMED group peacefully grieving their differences.
CD
Democrats - putting an entire demographic in a cage simply because they disagree with communist citizen disarming policy...
...illegal aliens cant be detained for international trespassing
Democrats - painting with a wide brush here - are treasonous by nature.
It's the new normal - get used to being forced to constantly work around a 0ne party.one criminal element party running the government.
Dont give in... just realize that America has to readjust to the new normal.
Badger52
01-21-2020, 09:57
If you consider the conservative numbers of 6,000 unarmed in the killbox (thought dems said fences were ineffective) and 16-19,000 outside the fence where the majority were armed. Good 1-2 Divisions worth of militia right there. Largest unorganized ARMED group peacefully grieving their differences.
CDThat TO&E occurred to me as well, especially after their own LE upped the 22K estimate to 25K. There's a fantasy CONOP in there somewhere...
Instead of admitting the obvious... I've heard people say that the reason things didn't get out of hand is because of the huge LE presence...
Guess they missed the large Sheriff contingent with the "We support the 2ndA" banner walking around.
Complete article at link.
Only Person Arrested at Virginia Gun Rights Rally Was a Mask-Wearing LGBT Activist
The Left caused the threat at the rally.
Jan 20, 2020
BigLeague Politics
Shane Trejo
While today’s gun rights rally at the Virginia Capitol was an incredibly peaceful event, there was one masked suspect who was arrested by police, and it turned out to be a far-left LGBT activist.
The Virginia Capitol announced on Monday that 21-year-old Mikaela E. Beschler was arrested at approximately 1:30pm at the 800 block of East Broad Street after being repeatedly warned not to use her bandanna as a mask. She has been charged with one felony count of wearing a mask in public as a result.
<snip>
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/only-person-arrested-at-virginia-gun-rights-rally-was-a-mask-wearing-lgbt-activist/
Just a confirmation below.
One arrested during Richmond gun rights rally for wearing a mask
Author: Erin Patterson (13News Now)
Published: 3:56 PM EST January 20, 2020
Updated: 4:20 PM EST January 20, 2020
Out of the 22,000 people who attended the "Lobby Day" gun rights rally in Richmond, one person was arrested.
The Virginia Capitol posted on Facebook claiming 21-year-old Mikaela E. Beschler was arrested around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. She was charged with one felony count of wearing a mask in public in the 800 block of East Broad Street.
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/one-arrested-during-richmond-gun-rights-rally/291-bee0e90e-cc68-4d56-954d-2b5cd08bf54c
Ret10Echo
01-21-2020, 11:16
Complete article at link.
Only Person Arrested at Virginia Gun Rights Rally Was a Mask-Wearing LGBT Activist
The Left caused the threat at the rally.
Jan 20, 2020
BigLeague Politics
Shane Trejo
While today’s gun rights rally at the Virginia Capitol was an incredibly peaceful event, there was one masked suspect who was arrested by police, and it turned out to be a far-left LGBT activist.
The Virginia Capitol announced on Monday that 21-year-old Mikaela E. Beschler was arrested at approximately 1:30pm at the 800 block of East Broad Street after being repeatedly warned not to use her bandanna as a mask. She has been charged with one felony count of wearing a mask in public as a result.
<snip>
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/only-person-arrested-at-virginia-gun-rights-rally-was-a-mask-wearing-lgbt-activist/
Just now seeing the headline description... Saw an image of the "person" flash by earlier today and executed the proscribed microaggression and misogynistic thought by assuming everything so stated and confirmed in this headline.
bblhead672
01-21-2020, 11:20
I'm really happy that there was no kind of violence nor inappropriate behavior (Nazi flags, etc) that the main stream sewer/media was able to jump on.
Now, the Virginians have a lot to do at the county level organizing, planning and generally getting in concert with their sheriffs.
The other thing Virginians can do on the heels of this successful rally is to use the momentum to get the recall petition signatures needed to get rid of the tyrant in the governor's taxpayer funded housing. Then start getting out the voters needed to turn back the communists tide rising in VA.
Badger52
01-21-2020, 11:23
Saw an image of the "person" flash by earlier today and executed the proscribed microaggression and misogynistic thought by assuming everything so stated and confirmed in this headline.Assumptions borne out to not be assumptions = no intervention program required. It's Ok to be Ok.
:D
(lmao that the arrest was not the guy who popped the red smoke at the end to rally everyone back to the buses - has a sweet ring to it.)
Ret10Echo
01-21-2020, 14:00
My favorite new source for unabashedly FAKE news. :D
The Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/ralph-northam-a-militia-assembling-to-protect-their-rights-from-a-tyrannical-government-is-unprecedented-in-american-history) anyone? :p
Ralph Northam: 'A Militia Assembling To Defend Their Rights Against Tyranny Is A Dangerous First In American History'
"It was not until the Trump administration that Americans started liking guns."
Northam said that we could have a better idea what the founders would have thought about guns, but sadly, "they did not see fit to leave us a document by which we might guard our country."
Complete article at link.
Only Person Arrested at Virginia Gun Rights Rally Was a Mask-Wearing LGBT Activist
The Left caused the rally.
Jan 20, 2020
...
Fixed it for them.
Other places armed people congregate:
Gun Shows
Knob Creek
Shot show
Nothing ever happens at these places either. Antifa the "news" and Nazis are also not in attendance.
Wonder why?
Well... I know why Antifa wasn't there... Their mommy told them they had to clean their room first, then they found out their skinny jeans were in the wash.
But seriously... They knew there was going to be heavily armed Americans there, and knew their arsenal of bike locks and sharp sticks was not up to the challenge.
Badger52
01-21-2020, 19:46
My favorite new source for unabashedly FAKE news. :D
The Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/ralph-northam-a-militia-assembling-to-protect-their-rights-from-a-tyrannical-government-is-unprecedented-in-american-history) anyone? :pLMAO. No shit sir. 2x thumbs-up
Combat Diver
01-21-2020, 23:27
VA Dems will vote today on some 41 gun bills. Seems they are digging in and rushing to pass junk anyway.
CD
Badger52
01-22-2020, 06:57
VA Dems will vote today on some 41 gun bills. Seems they are digging in and rushing to pass junk anyway.
CDYep; their majority was never, ever, going to be swayed by who showed up on a Lobby Day. Their agenda will go forward; they owe Bloomberg a ROI. What 2A supporters there HAVE accomplished (even among some non-committal Richmond denizens running businesses that day who witnessed their polite conduct) is to have, for the world, staked out the higher moral ground, and issued the polite warning "Don't Step on the Snake" or "Ten Bears will move no more" or however one wants to frame it.
And I mention 2A supporters, and specifically the huge membership of VCDL separately from the NRA. Here's just the latest why I make that distinction:
NRA official Daniel J. Spiker made the repulsive comments in an article posted earlier today:
“Anti-gun billionaires who invested millions in the 2019 Virginia elections expect a return on that investment,” said NRA official D. J. Spiker. “The NRA is fully prepared to work to defeat Governor Northam’s gun grab – but also work to find compromise.” (Translation: "Just don't close down our range & museum.") Source. (https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/nra-treachery-in-virginia-va-director-admits-they-are-willing-to-compromise-with-northam-and-democrats/)
Ret10Echo
01-22-2020, 07:25
NOVA is not Virginia... much like the NCR counties around the swamp do not represent Maryland....
So it goes.
Thank God and the Founders for the electoral college.
The Dems only hope for the rally was that something bad would happen so that could use it to help rush their bills through. They are simply agenda driven and won't stop until they can forward it. They are driven and focused on one thing -- taking people's ability to protect themselves from their government.
Badger52
01-22-2020, 10:26
They are driven and focused on one thing -- taking people's ability to protect themselves from their government.And throughout history, there is only one reason a ruling class wants to do that. It is because they want to do something to you that you would otherwise shoot them for.
@Ret10Echo: Concur on the Electoral College thing. And Northam is trying to "fix" that for Virginians with the legislation in the left hand behind his back. Internally as to how they elect Governor (NoVA will henceforth do that in foreverland). And how Virginians' electors are allocated nationally in a General election.
"Thus to Tyrants"
bblhead672
01-22-2020, 11:06
Yep; their majority was never, ever, going to be swayed by who showed up on a Lobby Day. Their agenda will go forward; they owe Bloomberg a ROI. What 2A supporters there HAVE accomplished (even among some non-committal Richmond denizens running businesses that day who witnessed their polite conduct) is to have, for the world, staked out the higher moral ground, and issued the polite warning "Don't Step on the Snake" or "Ten Bears will move no more" or however one wants to frame it.
And I mention 2A supporters, and specifically the huge membership of VCDL separately from the NRA. Here's just the latest why I make that distinction:
(Translation: "Just don't close down our range & museum.") Source. (https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/nra-treachery-in-virginia-va-director-admits-they-are-willing-to-compromise-with-northam-and-democrats/)
Is anyone surprised that a Negotiating Rights Away official used the word compromise?
Screw the NRA and the Virginia communists.
The ghosts of Robert E. Lee and George Thomas would shake hands and fight together against this chicanery together if they got wind on what was going on in their beloved Commonwealth.
Badger52
01-23-2020, 16:14
The ghosts of Robert E. Lee and George Thomas would shake hands and fight together against this chicanery together if they got wind on what was going on in their beloved Commonwealth.Many outside the arena under the impression that the Lobby Day rally was THE only event of its nature ("ho hum, now they're going home"), as well as those who support them, have posited "Well, what now, Virginians?"
Virginia 1-13 (https://virginia113.com/) has drafted a resolution to be worked locally, in the counties, by county residents regarding the unorganized militia, as specifically envisioned in the VA Constitution. As means of intro from their web page:
The citizens of Virginia stand in the face of an onslaught against their civil rights. We the people must be united against this tyranny and look for protection to the statutes and principles our dear state is founded upon. Virginia Constitution, Article 1, Section 13, makes clear the provision we have against this kind of attack.
In order to further unite our actions as the people, Virginia One Thirteen has drafted a resolution that seeks to follow the historical, civil provision for uniting our efforts in the formation of county militias for the defense of liberty for our people.
WHY THIS RESOLUTION?
Service in the unorganized militia is the duty of all citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia per the Virginia Constitution and Code.
We are in the middle of an unprecedented attack on our natural right to own firearms to defend ourselves and our communities.
If disarmed we will be unable to fulfil our constitutional obligations as a member of the unorganized militia.
By having lawful civil authorities (local Board of Supervisors and Town/City Council) officially recognize the constitutional validity of the unorganized militia and regulate it at a local level, we can establish the lawful framework by which we can defend our individual rights of firearms ownership as members of the unorganized militia.
Such civil oversight is imperative to asserting these rights legitimately within the confines of the VA and US Constitutions and provides the legal foundation to defend such rights through the judicial process.
In addition to the legal and judicial protections established by this resolution, these measures provide an opportunity for citizens to come together in an organized manner and establish a network by which they can support each other and their communities in times of need.
Please share this information with your local elected officials and urge them to vote to officially recognize the legitimacy of the unorganized militia in their respective community.
The resolution may be read here (https://virginia113.com/the-resolution/), as well as downloaded in PDF or MS-Word formats. ('bout 4 pages)
Badger52
01-24-2020, 06:17
"...visual or electronic message"
Aw, shucks. They want to make a crime of (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/virginia-democrats-push-legislation-to-make-criticism-of-government-officials-a-criminal-offense/) distributing some really good memes that are out there.
PedOncoDoc
01-24-2020, 09:33
"...visual or electronic message"
Aw, shucks. They want to make a crime of (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/virginia-democrats-push-legislation-to-make-criticism-of-government-officials-a-criminal-offense/) distributing some really good memes that are out there.
They're following the script - compromise the 2nd amendment, then start dismantling the 1st....
:munchin
This could go here, the 2A thread, or any of the ongoing discussions about leftist policies.
Leftist policies are endangering people at the same time that the leftists want to disarm law abiding citizens. An interesting article about recent Seattle shootings at link with edited excerpt below.
https://mynorthwest.com/1682456/dori-downtown-seattle-shooting/
Dori: Durkan’s failures, political correctness caused downtown Seattle shooting
BY DORI MONSON
JANUARY 23, 2020 AT 3:11 PM
KIRO radio
Political correctness and liberalism are literally killing people. This downtown Seattle shooting is an extension of all of that.
The two suspects in this downtown shooting have been arrested 44 times with 20 convictions and 21 times with 15 convictions. Marquise Tolbert, the one with 20 convictions, had three felonies last year alone. You tell me how someone with three felonies in 2019 is walking around free and able to engage in a shootout that kills a woman and injures a bunch of other people, including a 9-year-old kid. Both Tolbert and William Tolliver, the other suspect, are just 24 years old. They both have previously been arrested and charged with drive-by shootings and unlawful possession of a firearm in 2018. So the courts knew full well that these were gun-toting gang members. Why did our justice system let them walk free? Why do we place criminals above law-abiding citizens?
When you legalize drugs as we effectively have done by not prosecuting personal possession of drugs, then drug dealers of course will provide those drugs. And drug dealers tend to be backed by gangs. There is a known connection between the most violent gangs around here and the slinging of drugs, because they get in turf wars.
Jenny Durkan is an ineffective mayor. Look at what has happened with the issues people are most worried about — traffic, homelessness, and crime. The media is complicit with this. Just a few days ago, a column in the Seattle Times reported that crime is down. People on the streets know that crime isn’t down. They know that their homes are getting broken into and their car windows are getting smashed. Yet some in the media will say crime is down in Seattle. Yes, and how many shootings have we had since Tuesday? Police were near last night’s shooting because they were a few blocks away at a police-involved shooting in the middle of the afternoon. And so with the help of their compliant media, politicians are able to push out false stories that crime is down and everything is great.
Look at it like a math problem. The effective legalization of drugs + prosecutors and judges who let people walk free + politicians with no clue what they are doing = an inevitable surge in crime.
<snip>
Complete article at link above.
Badger52
01-24-2020, 11:39
Seattle!?!? But... but..... mah Starbucks! :confused:
Seattle!?!? But... but..... mah Starbucks! :confused:
Lol, guns and coffee should NOT mean...guns for Marquise Tolbert, the one with 20 convictions - three felonies last year alone.
Jenny Durkan is an ineffective mayor.
I disagree.
Jenny Durkan is a very effective leftist.
Mayor Durkin has "liberally" executed agenda driven solutions to those very issues that people claim to care about; traffic, drugs, drug traffic, homelessness, and yes, crime.
The left may not preach openly about it, but the left certainly govern in a manner that suggests a tacit acceptance of the Cloward-Piven strategy.
...and yes, we all know media is complicit. That self righteous demographic of American society that showers praise on those that best demonstrate the ability to replicate the founding father of yellow journalism.
Much like Orwells 1984, the Ministry of Truth (aka Seattle Times) can report that crime is down and it doesn't really matter that people on the streets know that crime isn’t down. Leftist don't care about fact, only that the media has reported what they want to hear.
Leftist's homes may be getting broken into - but it is because of right wing policy and the evil orange man in the oval office.
Car windows are still getting smashed; there is no liberal argument to dispute that unfortunate turn of events, but it is happening because of republicans and their guns.
The media will continue to say crime is down in Seattle because the crime caused by limousine liberals - safe in their walled communities as their armed security details roam the grounds - is down.
The problem is, you CANNOT look at this like a math problem.
I understand that "WHY?" is a question you might ask...
...because "math" is a racially biased concept that is forced on the downtrodden by a rich white entitled european cisgendered male dominated patriarchy.
The inevitable surge in crime is because conservatives continue to cling to guns and religion and antipathy to people that are different from them.
Seattle is in ruins because sanders-esque democratic socialism (aka communism) just hasn't been properly executed.
...yet
Badger52
01-24-2020, 17:52
,,,"math" is a racially biased concept that is forced on the downtrodden by a rich white entitled european cisgendered male dominated patriarchy. Yeah, ok. Wait - I think I missed the rich part.
:boohoo
Getting spicy out there...an interesting take on current events in VA and nationwide.
I Was Wrong – They Want War
By Marta Hernandez
January 25, 2020
I admit it – I was wrong.
Last week I advised that the best course of action as the left attacks our rights is to keep a civil course, wow them with facts, decency, and knowledge and defend our rights with knowledge, passion, and eloquence.
I felt that we could win based on logic and rational discourse, but having watched the events of this week unfold in front of my eyes, I realize just how wrong I was.
I thought that after engaging with our political opponents en masse, peacefully stating our concerns, and rationally discussing the issues of due process and Second Amendment rights in Richmond, the Democrats would step away from their insane assault on our freedoms.
I was wrong.
Despite concerns which the Democrats admitted to have had about the proposed “red flag law” during discussions with the press and with gun rights advocates, they advanced this appalling legislation the very next day after the massive rally in Richmond, disingenuously claiming that the measure is “thoughtful” and preserves due process. They jammed through other appalling bills, limiting the ability of peaceable Virginians to exercise their rights, without so much as a second thought, claiming that “elections have consequences.”
A Democratic-led House committee voted Friday for several pieces of gun legislation that a Republican majority has blocked for years. Those bills include limiting handgun purchases to once a month; universal background checks on gun purchases; allowing localities to ban guns in public buildings, parks and other areas; and a red flag bill that would allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed to be dangerous to themselves or others.
Based on previous interactions with some of these legislators, I thought they would give consideration to the people whom they represent, even if those people didn’t vote for them or disagree with them politically.
I was wrong.
Virginia Democrats are now in the process of jamming bills down our throats that threatens our First Amendment rights. It’s already illegal to threaten to kill, injure, bomb, etc. government buildings or officials in Virginia, but Senate Bill 1627 goes a step further.
The bar for harassment is already as low as “vulgar language” in Virginia’s code 18.2-152.7:1: If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Bourne’s bill proposes adding the following amendment: A violation of this section may be prosecuted in the jurisdiction in which the communication was made or received or in the City of Richmond if the person subjected to the act is one of the following officials or employees of the Commonwealth: the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia.
Bourne’s Bill also changes the language of “he shall be guilty” to “he is guilty” of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
Not only do the twisted, power-hungry politicians in Richmond want to relieve you of your right to keep and bear arms, but they want to criminalize criticism of the very elected officials Virginians put into office!
Let’s remember, boys and girls. These pernicious fucks work for us, but they’re trying to keep themselves in power by silencing detractors and appealing to fetid ignorami.
And if you think this trend is limited to Virginia, you would be wrong too.
The proglodyte sociopaths have a chokehold on the Democrats, so much that they feel they have to pander to their insanity by promising abortions on demand for biological males and paying off billions of dollars in college loans at taxpayer expense, while screwing Americans who have been fiscally responsible with their earnings.
I thought there were sane Democrats left in this country.
I was wrong.
There may be some decent leftists here and there, but the shrieking, perpetually aggrieved progressive parasites have taken over, and they want you silenced and stripped of any dignity and freedoms.
The “Wax My Balls” and “Make My Cake, Bigot” woke fascists want war, and they might just get it.
Antifa is parading around in masks, threatening those who don’t toe the progressive line and even assaulting them.
A field organizer for one of the front runners for the Democratic nomination has recently professed his love for gulags to reeducate his political opponents and squawked that he was ready for the revolution.
I was wrong.
These people won’t listen to reason, and they are determined to destroy us – libertarians, moderate Republicans, hardcore conservatives, and RINOs. They don’t care. They want us gone, and they’re willing to lie, malign, and destroy using any means possible.
Elizabeth Warren is perfectly happy denigrating judges appointed by President Trump as “Homophobic, racist, sexist, and anti-voter.” And Occasional Cortex wants to change the meaning of the word “ethical” to mean giving up your property, autonomy, and freedom, as well as your earnings to those who have accomplished nothing, done nothing with their lives, learned nothing, and earned nothing, so that idiots can steal from you and control you at will.
I thought the Democrats could be reasoned with.
I was wrong.
They don’t want to just have power over you. They want you gone. They want you “re-educated” to toe their ideological line, and they are perfectly willing to use your tax dollars to ensure that your freedom of expression and your BadThink are eradicated – violently, if they have to.
This is a matter of survival – not just for conservatives, but for anyone who values freedom.
This is not just about gun rights, or free speech rights. These people are out in the open, and they want to destroy you – everything you are.
I thought the Democrats wanted the same things for our nation as we do, and we merely disagreed on the best way to accomplish this.
I was wrong.
They don’t care about human rights, as they claim. They care about giving themselves power over you, over your thoughts, over your achievements and earnings. They don’t consider you human.
They want to burn it all down, and they will do whatever is necessary to ensure that happens. OK, let’s see what happens.
They want you gone. Act accordingly.
https://victorygirlsblog.com/i-was-wrong-they-want-war/
Badger52
01-29-2020, 06:11
Getting spicy out there...an interesting take on current events in VA and nationwide.
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https://victorygirlsblog.com/i-was-wrong-they-want-war/Great find, thanks. "Woke" is going to come to have a new meaning.
The blog site is worth a visit as well.
For those of you who didn't vote - or voted third party this is what you get.
It boils down to "Our guy or their guy".
Make your fight in the primaries - but in the main election it is only "Our guy or their guy".
Badger52
01-29-2020, 07:03
For those of you who didn't vote - or voted third party this is what you get.
It boils down to "Our guy or their guy".
Make your fight in the primaries - but in the main election it is only "Our guy or their guy".Bingo, X-ring. We've had this discussion before but it's worth repeating because this is war and the result is a binary thing. There is winner, there is loser. One is not like the other.
Last week I advised that the best course of action as the left attacks our rights is to keep a civil course, wow them with facts, decency, and knowledge and defend our rights with knowledge, passion, and eloquence.
Have we gained any ground doing this?
Meanwhile, the lefts' spear tip, antifa, has used violence in many cases in many places and has not been made illegal, "deplatformed", "silenced", dis-twitterfied, banned from facebook etc...
The left is obviously quite ready and wiling to NOT use logic and reason to further their agenda as demonstrated in Virginia. Those smug legislators knew that all those nice folks out there would never dare to cross the "Please do not protest any closer than this line" signs.
If this thing really is a war, and it is, the left is the only one actually doing any fighting.
nothing is binary
if there are multiple genders then there MUST be non-losers.
fairness
equality
diversity
tolerance
inclusiveness
See - I just put down a bunch of catch words - everything is all better - it just proves that being woke transcends partisan politics !!!
The best course of action, IMO, is just that... Action.
We've (the collective right) have taken too much shit, for far too long, and we are paying the price now. If the NRA and other people on the right, fought tooth and nail, collectively, for our firearms rights, back in 1921, and every time bullshit laws were threatened, we would be enjoying a much free'er America right now.
Instead, many of those people rolled over... "Who NEEDS a machine gun for hunting?" ...and laws, and bans were born.
...and now we are fighting for every scrap. ...and people STILL want "compromise" and "common sense gun laws".
Every single inch we give, means we have to fight harder in the future.
I say Omaha beach their asses. Hit the beach hard, don't let up, don't stop, until you get to Berlin. That's how you win. This piecemeal bullshit is not going to work. Fight the fight now, before the war is lost.
We will never win the war, if we fight every battle with logic, facts, and reason. The left does not comprehend these things. We will never get them to see any of those things, no matter how many facts you throw their way. Won't work. Ever try logic on an angry woman? Don't work. Same here. They are so emotional that they cannot and will not see the forest through the trees.
To coin a phrase... Just say no. No to any more loss of liberty. If they want to argue, answer their argument with a clear and determined piss off. Debating emotional idiots is how we got where we are. We compromise, they don't. Just say no more.
bblhead672
01-29-2020, 14:52
The amerikan communists mistake the right's tolerance of being punched in the nose as weakness and lack of desire to take action.
They don't understand what the response will be when they push too far and make their opponents forgo civility and restraint.
They don't understand that we're listening when they talk about gulags and re-education, about ridding the country of "deplorables."
Be careful democratic socialists...you probably will like us even less when we say "enough!"
The only way to deal with Va House Bill 1627 is to gather in Richmond in masses and insult the shit out of Gov.Blackface Northam, Jeffery Bourne, and others. Print fliers that say they should be tarred and feathered, that they are POS, and should be held accountable for crimes against nature.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB1627
Use the new meme for D卐M☭CRAT whenever possible, pluralize when necessary.
Been to three printers to contract my feeble UW magnetic car sign to attach to my car while I drive around NJ. All have refused to make the signs.
The future is Socialism
Vote
D卐M☭CRATic
Florida Patriot
01-30-2020, 08:27
The best course of action, IMO, is just that... Action.
We've (the collective right) have taken too much shit, for far too long, and we are paying the price now. If the NRA and other people on the right, fought tooth and nail, collectively, for our firearms rights, back in 1921, and every time bullshit laws were threatened, we would be enjoying a much free'er America right now.
Instead, many of those people rolled over... "Who NEEDS a machine gun for hunting?" ...and laws, and bans were born.
...and now we are fighting for every scrap. ...and people STILL want "compromise" and "common sense gun laws".
Every single inch we give, means we have to fight harder in the future.
I say Omaha beach their asses. Hit the beach hard, don't let up, don't stop, until you get to Berlin. That's how you win. This piecemeal bullshit is not going to work. Fight the fight now, before the war is lost.
We will never win the war, if we fight every battle with logic, facts, and reason. The left does not comprehend these things. We will never get them to see any of those things, no matter how many facts you throw their way. Won't work. Ever try logic on an angry woman? Don't work. Same here. They are so emotional that they cannot and will not see the forest through the trees.
To coin a phrase... Just say no. No to any more loss of liberty. If they want to argue, answer their argument with a clear and determined piss off. Debating emotional idiots is how we got where we are. We compromise, they don't. Just say no more.
I agree with everything quoted above. The left is and can play the long game in violating our 2A rights. We have sat back & compromised every step along the way. Look at how firearms owners are vilified in the media, our schools, in the court of public opinion, etc... Suzie soccer mom gets involved with groups like MDA & stands on the bodies of dead kids to help promote this agenda. Reasoning (compromising) with them will not work.
With that said, & considering the attack currently underway in the state of VA, what should we do next? How do we keep the momentum? There are certainly many smarter folks here than me so feel free to correct me if you think this doesn't make any sense.
We need to some how put the ball back in their court in the public eye. If VA is to be the battlefield, as it should be, I would suggest that non-violent disobedience would be the place to start. I know that is happening now in every ban state but we need to kick it up a notch. Look at all the counties in VA that declared themselves "2A Sanctuary" counties. Most of those counties had the support & backing of the local Sheriff. If the sheriff's in those counties released a resolution or continued to support the citizens by not enforcing any new gun laws handed down by the GA that would force old blackface to show his hand. If coonman decides to play dirty by using state LEO or even the NG, well then the boogaloo might just kick off. If the chief LEO in any county knows he has the support of the people who elected him it would make coonman look like the petty dictator he is. We might get out of it without a shot being fired.
The support from fellow citizens in other states would be overwhelming, coonman would face a backlash of opposition in the media or at least in the court of public opinion. This all hinges on the local LEO not rolling over to the state.
The place, for now, to fight this is at the ballot box, recall elections...
The problem is, he won't face any media scrutiny, because the left owns the media. We are being vilified, just as the Jews were before WW2. Called Nazis, supremacists, and racists. Regardless of how many people of different races were actually there at the rally... We, and any actions we take, will be downplayed and criticized by the propaganda arm of the left. It wouldn't have mattered if all Virginians showed up to that rally, the media would have still lacked coverage of it. After all, if it is not in the news... it never happened. ...and Gov blackface wasn't even there. So much for giving a shit what the people think, or having the balls to at least stand up for his position. He ran. Pussy.
We know... our friends know... but the sheep that religiously follow the "news" know that there are problems in the royal family. None of us have given a shit about the royal family since 1776... but to them... it's important.
I'm living in the first sanctuary county in PA. We got a jump on the BS. Others are following suit. We all know what box comes after the ballot box. None of us want that. That said, we should not give another inch, and should be taking back what once was ours. Liberty.
Badger52
01-30-2020, 12:07
We need to some how put the ball back in their court in the public eye. If VA is to be the battlefield, as it should be, I would suggest that non-violent disobedience would be the place to start.I'll submit that, in this particular line of effort, EVERYwhere needs to be the battlefield that puts that burhock in their undies. I want them to be scrambling to be everywhere rather than husband resources & channel it to the latest Bible-thumping Gun-clinging neighborhood. Cheerleading VA from the bleachers - as we should - accomplishes nothing in terms of local, local, local.
FWIW, a certain county in Western WI is having its first informational sanctuary meeting in 2 weeks. The timing is excellent for a couple reasons. Both the County Sheriff (former Chief of my local PD) and the County DA are going to be there at the outset and are 100% in support. Then the target can be shifted to the county board members - and some of the old retired farmer sticks in the mud who had nothing to do are now gone (literally or figuratively). The current Dem gov, former Super of a failed Milwaukee school system, is hamstrung by R legislature and conservative judiciary. We are not going to wait for his Deus ex Machina* to flip the legislature and then flail our arms.
* = literally, god out of the machine; a miraculous divine intervention, aka, Bloomberg Buck$.
Florida Patriot
01-30-2020, 13:32
I follow the VA fight on a few other forums.
It's being said that the pressure is showing results.
"What's happening with the worse HB961? It's being stalled, by you.
WMAL reported this morning the bill has not advanced because 4 Democratic senators have "concerns" about the bill in its current state. I remember Deeds is one, Chap Peterson is another. I apologize I don't remember the other two, I'll internet and try to find a story to link. One even mentioned the definition of an "assault weapon" is troubling."
VSP estimates 26 million guns will qualify as banned by HB961 - the time, money and infrastructure isn't there to setup the framework to implement it, IMO.
That means that in order to "Register" all 26,000,000 firearms in just one year, if the law allows it, the VSP would have to process 71,233 applications PER DAY! They couldn't handle this in TEN years! However, I suspect MOST Virginians will simply NOT COMPLY.
VA Senate begins to veto bills.
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - The Virginia Senate has blocked one of Gov. Ralph Northam's top gun-control bills, making it another measure the Democratic governor supports that may not pass the legislature.
The Senate Judiciary Committee voted Monday against a bill that would make it a felony to “recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm” in a way that endangers a minor.
The legislation is one of eight gun measures that the governor has urged lawmakers to adopt.
Virginia has become ground zero in the nation’s raging debate over gun control and mass shootings as a new Democratic majority has pledged to put strict new limits in place.
https://www.nbc12.com/2020/02/04/virginia-senate-blocks-northam-backed-gun-bill/
Ret10Echo
02-11-2020, 16:54
Virginia... We barely knew ya.
HOUSE BILL NO.9612
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE
(Proposed by the House Committee on Public Safety)
(Patron Prior to Substitute––Delegate Levine)
House Amendments in[ ]-February10,2020
A BILL to amend and reenact §§16.1-278.9,18.2-287.4,18.2-308.2:01,18.2-308.2:1,18.2-308.2:2,718.2-308.7, and 19.2-386.28 of the Code of Virginia and to amend the Code of Virginia by adding sections numbered 18.2-308.9 through 18.2-308.13, relating to prohibiting the sale, transport, etc., of assault firearms, certain firearms magazines, trigger activators, and silencers; penalties.
Your 2nd Amendment is going to be a single shot hunting rifle... Unloaded.
HERE (http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB961EH1+pdf)
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/02/17/virginias-assault-weapons-ban-and-magazine-confiscation-bill-fails-to-passfor-now-n2561425
Ret10Echo
02-18-2020, 16:29
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/02/17/virginias-assault-weapons-ban-and-magazine-confiscation-bill-fails-to-passfor-now-n2561425
Looks like the Districts just need to be re-drawn. Fix that in a jiffy