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From a new article on Gateway Pundit:
BREAKING: President Trump Grants Clemency to 2 Army Officers Accused of War Crimes – And Restores Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher’s Rank!
President Trump did not let the sham impeachment slow him down and he granted clemency to two Army officers accused of war crimes — Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance, who is currently in Leavenworth, and Green Beret, Maj. Matt Golsteyn, who will have the murder charge against him dropped.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/breaking-president-trump-grants-clemency-to-2-army-officers-accused-of-war-crimes-and-restores-navy-seal-eddie-gallaghers-rank/
Remington Raidr
11-15-2019, 23:33
hell YEAH!!:p
It's an incredible act to witness, a CIC, acting against all social norms, Civ & Mil, to pardon these men.
Looking back over the decades of FW, all we see is the CIC looking to CTA and those in the command structure.
In my lifetime, they have left armies in the field, (Viet Nam), they have abandoned men and units in DA, Somalia + Benghazi, they have lied, faked concerned, etc, etc,. Relived combatant commandeers for perceived slights. Gutless, CIC in recent memory never gave a shit about the rank and file.
That said, I have no problem, regardless of individual account, of writing that shit off and moving forward.
God Bless that hard ass NY Queen Borough raised Bastard!
rubberneck
11-16-2019, 10:08
If you have Amazon prime there is a series on Clint Lorance called Leavenworth. Lot's of red flags surrounding that guy IMHO.
Longstreet
11-16-2019, 13:00
President Trump did not let the sham impeachment slow him down and he granted clemency to two Army officers accused of war crimes
Trump also did not allow an ISIS supporting woman to return to the US despite her being a US citizen.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/woman-who-burned-u-s-passport-and-joined-isis-not-an-american-citizen-judge-rules
I am not certain the consequences this may have later on, but Ms. Muthana is definitely where she belongs...
I wonder what the Flag Officers and civilians in the DOD think about this?
Good job CINC.
I wonder what the Flag Officers and civilians in the DOD think about this?
Good job CINC.
Not sure if any of these folks are in the DoD, but I am guessing some are.
From Vox:
National security analysts say that when Trump decries the fairness of the military justice system and interferes in or reverses its decision-making processes, he does damage to the institution as a whole.
Military experts also point out that it sends a message to troops and US partners that misconduct is acceptable.
Absent evidence of innocence or injustice the wholesale pardon of US service members accused of war crimes signals our troops and allies that we don’t take the Law of Armed Conflict seriously,” retired Gen. Martin Dempsey, who served as President Barack Obama’s senior military adviser, tweeted in May around the time that Trump raised the issue of forthcoming pardons. “Bad message. Bad precedent. Abdication of moral responsibility. Risk to us.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/16/20967889/trump-war-crime-pardons-white-house-gallagher-lorance-golsteyn
And Mayor Pete..
There’s nothing pro-military about overruling our military justice system to prevent it from delivering accountability for war crimes,” Buttigieg tweeted. “The president has again dishonored our armed services.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/16/pete-buttigieg-hits-trump-soldier-pardons-071266
he New York Slimes..
But many in the military, especially in military legal circles, are not celebrating. Mr. Trump’s reprieves, issued against the advice of top defense officials, were seen as a sign of disregard not only for the decisions of military juries, but for the judicial process itself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/16/us/trump-pardon-military.html
None of these gents are a Lt. Calley, the ROE during the Obama years was nuts, I think Trump made the right call.
Trump also did not allow an ISIS supporting woman to return to the US despite her being a US citizen.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/woman-who-burned-u-s-passport-and-joined-isis-not-an-american-citizen-judge-rules
I am not certain the consequences this may have later on, but Ms. Muthana is definitely where she belongs...
jaYson
Muthana is not a US citizen. She was born in the US when her parents were assigned here as diplomats from (I believe, Yemen).
CloseDanger
11-17-2019, 00:49
I forgot more about their individual cases, but I did sign petition for release.
In Every case.
I think disturbing the UCMJ is almost akin to Lying tho the "Holy Spirit" so to speak.
I also think the CINC in last admin sat us here wondering what this was all about. And it was not handled properly. In either case, I grab verified sh!tRags off of death row for time for new evidence.
But these cases bother me. I hate the way they were handled and I hate how long it took.
How do you find yourself in Courts Martial trouble for "this"?
Well, From one sh!*bag to another, If they are willing to bring Mast upon you, you must have either pissed off or up the chain.
Never mind. Not to use a bell curve but look at bradley manning or Berghdal, compared to Serious Men who did US serious solids and slipped up now serving more for less, It makes me feel hollow. It is Senior Leadership to blame for some of this.
(Dirtbags murdering their Team Mates in Mali need not apply for mitigation where none is, you are in dead camp)
I would prefer the review to be continuous, but seeing as we have no congress worth a shit, and everything is political, the last people I want to see hamstrung by their loss of Doctrine are the ones that at least were willing to die for it.
My Prayers we find a way out of this fog of wtf
Longstreet
11-17-2019, 05:59
She was born in the US when her parents were assigned here as diplomats from (I believe, Yemen).
My mistake! I misunderstood it when the article stated that she was born in the US after her father's diplomatic post had expired. Thanks for pointing that out.
My mistake! I misunderstood it when the article stated that she was born in the US after her father's diplomatic post had expired. Thanks for pointing that out.
jaYson
That was the argument that was made in the court case - that he was not under diplomatic status. All over a few months - but the court came down that he still was.
That was the argument that was made in the court case - that he was not under diplomatic status. All over a few months - but the court came down that he still was.
Yep, the clock stops upon DOS notification. They were notified after her birth.
Yep, the clock stops upon DOS notification. They were notified after her birth.
She was given US citizen status and Passport in error :eek: DOS would never do that
Glad the judge fixed the error.
...just to stir the pot
Those on the left (and many on the right) are squealing that the POTUS should not interfere with military affairs...
...skipping the part about him being the CinC
That same group of people wailing and gnashing their teeth seem to be OK with the POTUS interfering with military affairs when it comes to social engineering (or if you are just a democrat) so lets take a look at some of the executive clemency scandals that have come and gone over the last few presidents...
The CinC traded four high-level terrorists that provide guidance and support to our global enemies in exchange for a deserter that essentially committed treason in combat and endangered those that would attempt to rescue him.
...but his last name was Obama so it was OK
The CinC granted executive clemency to Bradley Manning even though Bradley Manning betrayed our nation when he allowed COUNTLESS classified documents to fall into the hands of our enemies
...but his last name was Obama so it was OK
The CinC granted executive clemency to Lopez Rivera even though that shit bag was convicted of conspiring against the US government and helped the FALN plan and execute 28 Chicago-area bombings. Originally a CinC named Bill Clinton offered clemency to Rivera but he REFUSED to renounce violence as a condition of receiving clemency.
...but those guys had names like Obama and Clinton so it was OK
Linda Evans, a violent terrorist associated with the violent organization known as "The Weather Underground" (yes the same group that Obama's buddy Bill Ayers was a part of) was given executive clemency by the POTUS
...but his last name is Clinton so it is OK
The POTUS granted executive clemency to 16 members of the Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional - a domestic terrorist organization that carried out over 130 bombing in the USA between '74 and '83 that destroyed property, injured, and killed US citizens
......but his last name is Clinton so it is OK
But hey - lets all virtue signal how angry we are with President Trump for extending clemency to US service members that lost their way in combat and "over-killed" some of Americas enemies. Democrats tend to pardon those that would bring harm to our countrymen. Democrats pardon enemies of America and do it with a smug disregard for the lives impacted by those they would pardon and yet the American media (and democrats from coast to coast) worships these men.
Did these three service members pardoned by President Trump commit war crimes?
-According to our legal system - yes - they did.
-They brought discredit upon themselves and the US military if I am to believe the legal system.
-They did this while fighting enemies of the United States of America.
So - I' may not agree with the decision to pardon them - I certainly find no fault with the POTUS entertaining his right to extend executive clemency. Lastly I would like to extend thanks to these three men for ridding the world of infectious human waste. However, shame on all three of you for betraying the trust placed in you - may you forever feel the pain of that shame for bringing discredit to your service.
So says me
...just to stir the pot
So - I' may not agree with the decision to pardon them - I certainly find no fault with the POTUS entertaining his right to extend executive clemency. Lastly I would like to extend thanks to these three men for ridding the world of infectious human waste. However, shame on all three of you for betraying the trust placed in you - may you forever feel the pain of that shame for bringing discredit to your service.
So says me
Well said Box, well said!
Well said Box, well said!
I concur, now time to move on to prosecute the folks who murdered our SF brother...or are they pardoned also??? :eek:
Peregrino
11-19-2019, 15:40
Well said Box, well said!
Concur - wholeheartedly!
Remington Raidr
11-19-2019, 17:27
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-trident.html
Fuck them all, every one of them.:mad:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-trident.html
Fuck them all, every one of them.:mad:
Can someone post the article. I will not register with that site..
Navy Wants to Eject From SEALs a Sailor Cleared by Trump, Officials Say
Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher is expected to be formally notified of the action on Wednesday.
NYT
By Dave Philipps
The Navy SEAL at the center of a high-profile war crimes case has been ordered to appear before Navy leaders Wednesday morning, and is expected to be notified that the Navy intends to oust him from the elite commando force, two Navy officials said on Tuesday.
The move could put the SEAL commander, Rear Adm. Collin Green, in direct conflict with President Trump, who last week cleared the sailor, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, of any judicial punishment in the war crimes case. Military leaders opposed that action as well as Mr. Trump’s pardons of two soldiers involved in other murder cases.
Navy officials had planned to begin the process of taking away Chief Gallagher’s Trident pin, the symbol of his membership in the SEALs, earlier this month. But as he waited outside his commander’s office, Navy leaders sought clearance from the White House that never came, and no action was taken.
Admiral Green now has the authorization he needs from the Navy to act against Chief Gallagher, and the formal letter notifying the chief of the action has been drafted by the admiral, the two officials said.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the impending action.
The Navy also plans to take the Tridents of three SEAL officers who oversaw Chief Gallagher — Lt. Cmdr. Robert Breisch, Lt. Jacob Portier and Lt. Thomas MacNeil — and their letters have been drafted as well, one of the officials said.
Under Navy regulations, a SEAL’s Trident can be taken if a commander loses “faith and confidence in the service member’s ability to exercise sound judgment, reliability and personal conduct.” The Navy has removed 154 Tridents since 2011.
Removing a Trident does not entail a reduction in rank, but it effectively ends a SEAL’s career. Since Chief Gallagher and Lieutenant Portier both planned to leave the Navy soon in any case, the step would have little practical effect on them. But in a warrior culture that prizes honor and prestige, the rebuke would still cast the men out of a tight-knit brotherhood.
“To have a commander remove that pin after a guy has gone through so much to earn it, it is pretty much the worst thing you could do,” said Eric Deming, a retired senior chief who served 19 years in the SEALs. “You are having your whole identity taken away.”
“Why would they do it to someone like Gallagher?” said Mr. Deming, who is not involved in the case. “I think the leadership feels like they have lost the trust of the American people and want to rebuild it. So they are trying to show guys will be held accountable.”
The move sets up a potential confrontation between Mr. Trump, who has repeatedly championed Chief Gallagher, and Admiral Green, who has said he intends to overhaul discipline and ethics in the SEAL teams and sees Chief Gallagher’s behavior as an obstacle.
One Navy official who spoke about the specifics of the action said the admiral was making the move knowing that it could end his career, but that he had the backing of Adm. Michael M. Gilday, the chief of naval operations, and Richard V. Spencer, the secretary of the Navy.
Asked about Admiral Gilday, his spokesman, Cmdr. Nate Christensen, said on Tuesday that the admiral “supports his commanders in executing their roles, to include Rear Admiral Green.”
Chief Gallagher’s lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, said that punishing the chief after the president cleared him last week would amount to insubordination.
“Does Admiral Green have the authority to do it? Yes,” Mr. Parlatore said in a telephone interview. “But how tone-deaf is the guy? The commander in chief’s intent is crystal clear, that he wants Eddie left alone.”
Mr. Parlatore said he expected Mr. Trump to order the Navy to restore Chief Gallagher’s Trident if it is removed, and to dismiss Admiral Green from command.
Chief Gallagher has been at the center of a whipsaw war crimes case for more than a year. He was arrested and jailed in 2018 on war-crimes charges including shooting unarmed civilians in Iraq and killing a wounded teenage captive with a hunting knife. A military jury acquitted him in July of all the charges except a minor one of posing for a trophy photo with the captive’s corpse; for that crime, he was demoted and faced the possibility of further sanctions. Mr. Trump restored his rank on Friday.
“I had a feeling that it was coming because, you know, the president has shown the nation he was a man of his word,” Chief Gallagher said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.” “He knew a lot about all the injustices that went on through this whole ordeal I went through.”
Navy officials contend that, independent of the criminal charges, Chief Gallagher’s behavior during and since the deployment has fallen below the standard of the SEALs. A Navy investigation uncovered evidence that he had been buying and using narcotics.
Since his acquittal, Chief Gallagher has trolled the Navy on social media, taunting the SEALs who testified against him; mocking one who wept as he told investigators about witnessing the stabbing of the captive; insulting the Naval Criminal Investigative Service; and calling top SEAL commanders, including Admiral Green, “a bunch of morons.”
The cases of Chief Gallagher and the three officers will be submitted to a review board, who will decide whether to follow the admiral’s recommendation that they be ejected from the force. The process, which can take several weeks, almost always results in the SEAL’s Trident being taken, according to Patrick Korody, a former Navy prosecutor.
“I’ve never seen anyone beat it,” he said. “In cases like this, I don’t know if you could find anyone who would go against the admiral’s recommendation.”
For all four men, the review board’s decision is likely to center on the allegations that Chief Gallagher committed murder during a 2017 deployment to Iraq.
In court testimony, multiple SEALs in his platoon said that they reported one killing the day it happened, and several times after that as well, but that the platoon commander, Lieutenant Portier, did not forward the report up the chain of command as required by regulations. Lieutenant Portier was criminally charged with failing to report the murder; he denied the charges, and they were dropped after Chief Gallagher was acquitted.
Commander Breisch was the troop commander over Chief Gallagher and Lieutenant Portier in Iraq. SEALs in the platoon testified that they told him repeatedly about the killings after the deployment, but were told to “decompress” and “let it go,” according to a Navy investigation. Commander Breisch was not charged.
Lieutenant MacNeil was the most junior officer in the platoon, and was one of the SEALs who reported Chief Gallagher for murder and testified at his trial. During the proceedings, though, it was revealed that Lieutenant MacNeil had done nothing to stop the chief from posing for a trophy photo with the head of the dead teenage captive he was accused of stabbing, and had posed for the photo as well. At trial it was also revealed that Lieutenant MacNeil had been drinking with enlisted SEALs in Iraq, in violation of regulations.
The president has the authority to stop or reverse any decision concerning the SEALs’ Tridents, according to Eugene R. Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School. But for generations, he said, presidents have generally refrained from inserting themselves into the military’s personnel decisions.
“The president is the commander in chief; he could give orders about how to peel the potatoes in the chow hall if he wanted,” Mr. Fidell said. “The question is, should he?”
Regarding Chief Gallagher’s Trident, he said: “A reasonable observer could say this is a completely inappropriate intrusion into the military. If Trump saves his Trident — and I’d bet on it — I would say he will have driven the wedge ever deeper into an already divided military. And that can’t be helpful.”
Correction: Nov. 19, 2019
An earlier version of this article referred incorrectly to the letters that will notify four SEALs they will be ousted. They have been drafted by Rear Adm. Collin Green, but he has not signed them.
This just hit Linkedin
Trump says leave him alone and get back to business.
This just hit Linkedin
Trump says leave him alone and get back to business.
This is going to get interesting. I am making popcorn.
This is going to get interesting. I am making popcorn.
BOOM – Blackmail Confirmed, Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Removed by Defense Secretary Mark T Esper…
Posted on November 24, 2019 by sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/24/boom-blackmail-confirmed-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-removed-by-defense-secretary-mark-t-esper/#more-176913
BOOM – Blackmail Confirmed, Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Removed by Defense Secretary Mark T Esper…
Posted on November 24, 2019 by sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/24/boom-blackmail-confirmed-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-removed-by-defense-secretary-mark-t-esper/#more-176913
“I don’t consider a tweet an official order.”
Yeah, ok. I wish there was an emoji I could post that reflected my utter lack of surprise that he was fired.
Awesome turn of events.
Now a few G.O's should be told to hit the bricks as well.
Sometime in the future liberals should be fearful of "Trump Generals"
...I'd really like to see that become a pearl-wringing issue in the future.
Just read this little ditty at the bottom of the FOX news article about Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer's resignation??
The Navy has revoked 154 Trident pins since 2011
Found a google-fu saying there are approx 2500 SEALs on active duty with 76 platoons @ 16 each or 1200+ line-studs.
So 154 revokes on a 1200 base 13%+, kinda high??
link: FOXNEWS (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-review-board-trump-interference)
Just read this little ditty at the bottom of the FOX news article about Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer's resignation??
The Navy has revoked 154 Trident pins since 2011
Found a google-fu saying there are approx 2500 SEALs on active duty with 76 platoons @ 16 each or 1200+ line-studs.
So 154 revokes on a 1200 base 13%+, kinda high??
link: FOXNEWS (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-review-board-trump-interference)
If you prorate it by 8 years it’s about 1.5% of the Force per year, which is in line with Army SOF UCMJ averages.
Just read this little ditty at the bottom of the FOX news article about Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer's resignation??
The Navy has revoked 154 Trident pins since 2011
Found a google-fu saying there are approx 2500 SEALs on active duty with 76 platoons @ 16 each or 1200+ line-studs.
So 154 revokes on a 1200 base 13%+, kinda high??
link: FOXNEWS (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-review-board-trump-interference)
There have be several Tabs revolved in SF also. Nothing new with that. Wonder what are numbers are?
“I don’t consider a tweet an official order.”
Yeah, ok. I wish there was an emoji I could post that reflected my utter lack of surprise that he was fired.
Yeah. That's funny as hell. Speeches, tweets, whatever... equals VOCO orders/guidance.
Guess he missed that memo.
What a moron.
Hon. Spencer was fired for being a dumb ass. This example of dumb-assery is not his first. The other was his statements about the USS Ford readiness and FMC date. Going on record with "guarantees"? Lol.
Secretary Esper may have fired Spencer because he was legitimately pissed and saw this as the last straw.... or, he might have fired him because he knew that his boss was pissed and didn't want to be fired as well.
I bet there are some nervous people in WARCOM right now...
I need to make more popcorn. :munchin
Understand your operational Environment.
The CINC gave you his Commanders Intent.
Leave him alone, Get Back To Business.
Golf1echo
11-24-2019, 20:54
This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
I think we need to see where Spencer lands. This has all the hall marks of Spencer trying to set up Trump. I think another deep state anti Trumper just got his walking papers...
Edit for something new...
A complaint filed Tuesday afternoon with the Defense Department’s Inspector General blasts Rear Adm. Collin Green as a scheming martinet willing to trash the reputations of bonafide SEAL combat heroes to preserve his precarious perch atop Naval Special Warfare.
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/09/25/ig-complaint-pits-trump-decorated-operators-against-rear-admiral-who-fired-a-seal-team-triad/
...and why WOULDN'T the Department of Water think there was anything wrong with thumbing their nose at the POTUS? The exalted Admiral McCraven posted two OpEds in the NYT that where borderline seditious. Following the example set by those that went before them.
Same as it ever was
Remington Raidr
11-25-2019, 04:25
This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
All these zeros, including Vindman, are betting that Trump isn't forever, and eventually things will get back to the norm. They are playing longball. I hope they are proven wrong, but . . . :rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-25-2019, 08:47
Spencer had already told the POTUS that if the USS Ford wasn't ready on time, he could fire him.
This was not a stand-alone action. Spencer had a history of talking out of turn.
TR
TrapperFrank
11-25-2019, 10:28
I am no fan of Eddie Gallagher. But he, an enlisted sailor no less, had the propensity to beat them at their own game with a stacked deck no less. By hiring a lawyer with deep ties to POTUS Trump and parading them plus his trophy wife on Fox and Friends at every turn, he stole the narrative and went from Eddie Gallagher, war criminal to Eddie Gallagher, heroic, misunderstood war fighter. This narrative played well with the Trump base. I would like to know if Gallagher's lawyer took this case pro bono. Anyway, Big Navy just could not let this one go and the Sec Navy fell hard on his sword.
I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.
Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie. :rolleyes:
Ret10Echo
11-25-2019, 13:16
The scales of justice regarding things military got punted into the 3rd row of the peanut gallery a while back.
Give me a shake when Bo Bergdahl is imprisoned through proclamation.
I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.
Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie. :rolleyes:
Hey Paul.. and Mods...
BLUF:
St1650 (Paul): I have no love for SEALS. However, Paul, Do you have your green card yet? And yet you are calling out all QPs?
I am one that supports our President. I love it that we have appointees that are made to heel by our duly elected President.
You are? Your service to Canada? To the US? To US Special Operations?
Nevermind. I don't care.
So, have a nice day.
MoonAngel
11-26-2019, 12:05
I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
Well said.
Always one to flaunt my blindly partisan, extremely hypocritical, wildly sarcastic, and overzealous cult-like support of the 45th President of the United States of America - I think it is time for another episode of "Hold My Beer"
I will commence with my sarcasm by simply providing a blindly partisan response to a recent post...
I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision.
Celebrate ?
I am a Trump cultist - I celebrate everything. If you mean celebrate the SecDef putting the boots to the SecNav - oh yes. The mental masturbation over that image has been non-stop since it first hit the news.
If you mean the decision to tell senior leaders "enough is enough" when they continued to pursue a corrupt legal proceeding against a man that was jailed before he even went to trial - then subjected to prosecutorial misconduct - and then re-attacked after the POTUS intervened on his behalf.
...yes - I am celebrating the POTUS poking his finger into a bureaucrats chest and telling him to shut up and color.
Just like leftists celebrate everything that the Obama admin did from 2008-2016...
-Like the way they deliberately lied about the way an US Ambassador was tortured and murdered
-Like the way they publicly CELEBRATED their story that the attack was because of a video.
-Just like the way they celebrated when Obama released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat.
-Just like the way that they celebrated when Obama commuted the sentence of a convicted soldier that committed one of the worst acts of espionage in US history.
Eddie Gallagher is a turd. He dishonored himself and the SOF community with his actions.
The suggestion that someone - anyone - is celebrating Eddie Gallagher and his behavior is childish at best.
...but - at the end of the day - Gallagher's alleged crimes were against enemies of the United States of America so - well - there it is
Enemies of the United States of America
How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger.
Not as many as Obama recruited when he:
-deliberately lied about the way an US Ambassador was tortured and murdered.
-released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
-praised the heroism of a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
-commuted the sentence of a convicted soldier that committed one of the worst acts of espionage in US history
Eddie Gallagher was ONLY found guilty of taking a picture with a corpse. Don't forget that part.
Even when it was outed that the prosecution had engaged in misconduct - even when they thought they had a smoking gun on him by talking about a parade of fellow SEALS operators - at the end of the day - Gallagher was only convicted of taking a picture with a corpse.
I'll play along though - lets say he really did capture an enemy and then stab him in his neck...
...now those that would do Americans harm have to wonder if they will be the next one to get a knife buried in the side of their neck. It doesn't really turn my stomach that our enemies might be afraid of a few of our less emotionally stable Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen.
The idea that I am in danger because the enemy might be angry at an alleged stabbing - well - suffice to say I openly invite them to roll the dice and take their chances because we have plenty of Hell-Fires and 'Green-Tip' should they feel so inclined.
Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
Interesting - I didn't know that steroid abuse and psychopathy were charges levied against him.
Faults and flaws for sure - but not really germane to the topic at hand - if steroid use and psychopathy were high water marks for long prison terms, we'd have very few pro athletes left and even fewer politicians.
As for him being denounced by fellow SEAL operators; 'denounced' carries no weight in a court of law. Material witnesses however carry the day. Unfortunately, the navy came up short on the whole "witness and evidence" angle required to convict this turd. When the Navy finally found their "smoking gun" - their smoking gun proudly took credit for everything Gallagher was being accused of.
Absent was the throng of protesting SEALs ready, waiting, willing - to testify against this steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators.
You would think that Mother Navy would weigh her options and stop the madness...
"Nevertheless, she persisted"
Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.
I'm confused - are you saying that a sitting President is wrong for exercising constitutional authority to grant executive clemency?
If you want to talk about blind partisanship in the same breath as presidential clemency of criminals then we are going to have a lot of fun in thins thread - I could go on forever.
...Republicans tend to pardon people that have been fucked over by the US government - Democrats tend to pardon convicted drug traffickers and those that would do Americans harm
Not to mention that MOST of what the media has reported in this case - is necessarily wrong purely because they willingly omit the whole truth.
Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie.
...you can BET on that. There WILL be a book in this guys future.
Old Dog New Trick
11-26-2019, 14:05
Well, there you go again! That about sums it up.
And let’s not confuse “Quiet Professionals” with “SEALs” the two are not inclusive. SEALs and Rangers maybe but, even a Ranger knows it’s stupid to take a selfie with a corpse and show all your buddies: who hate you!
Beyond well stated Box!
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...you can BET on that. There WILL be a book in this guy's future.
and an academy award-winning movie with
George Clooney as CPO Gallagher
Amy Schumer as Gallagher's wife
Carrio Top as CiC
Robert De Nero as SECNAV
Directed by Michael Moore and Rob Reiner
Music and soundtrack by Cher
:mad:
Ret10Echo
11-26-2019, 15:10
Originally Posted by Box
-Just like the way they celebrated when Obama released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat.
-released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
-praised the heroism of a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
EXACTLY
Boom, clank, clang, bounce, bang...wtf was that?
Box just dropped the mic...
bblhead672
11-26-2019, 16:55
When our neighbors to the north step on their dicks like that does it hurt worse because they're wearing heels?
God forbid I ever say something to rile Box up!
When our neighbors to the north step on their dicks like that does it hurt worse because they're wearing heels?
God forbid I ever say something to rile Box up!
Lol, bblhead672, those spike heels leave a mark...and Box just dropped the harmless mic...we don’t want to see what happens when he decides to drop the hammer !
Now Put The Flame Thrower Down and step back, he is well done. Ouch
miclo18d
11-27-2019, 04:02
Box in western form....
(Note to self: Add box to the list of people never to piss off)
rsdengler
11-27-2019, 08:41
LOL....Box is "Da Man"......Always enjoy his witty remarks and very hilarious posts....Brightens a rather dull day....:D
Box is all bark and no bite.
...well, mostly bark with little more than an irritating bite
...but mostly bark
Box is all bark and no bite.
...well, mostly bark with little more than an irritating bite
...but mostly bark
🍺
(Note to self: Add box to the list of people never to piss off)
Check 👍!!!!!