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Army Combat Fitness Test Fiasco! Slides Reveal 84% of Women Failing ACFT
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/10/05/army-combat-fitness-test-fiasco-slides-reveal-84-of-women-failing-acft/
I really should have posted this in the Comedy Zone - but here it is. The writer is mad because it's unfair that so many women are failing the test. That's about as deep as he can think.
"...The short version: oh man was I right. The slightly longer version: the Army Combat Fitness Test is an unbridled, unparalleled, unimaginable disaster. The bottom line: the raw numbers reveal a test absurdly biased against women in uniform, but frankly, no one wearing a green uniform really comes out ahead in this thing..."
There is an on-going topic I encourage on FB based on the NEW PC Left's push to allow trans-males into traditional female sports.
I have posted several times about this presumed gender EQUALITY in women's sports and the effect it is having on the winning circle.
The Left stays complacently quiet, least they sound like a conservative.
Now, the services have the same problem,, but kinda in reverse.
If you are going to rank the World on physical attributes based on job requirements,, you need to accept that there will be top tier and bottom tier.
And herein lies the dilemma that the Left will struggle with till the end of time.
There is no equality for the sexes when you're talking about physical performance. :munchin
I suspect that the standards for the events causing the most trouble will be quickly and quietly modified to provide a better outcome for everyone - much like the gender-norming that was done on the LAST fitness test. The claims that this new test is a single standard PT evaluation is bit more nuanced than a simple "one Army one standard" fitness test.
Submitted for review and comment are a few facts about this new and improved PT test...
There are three different baseline "Standards" for the ACFT
Moderate
Significant
Heavy
**Please notice that the lowest level of readiness is referred to as "moderate" which seems a bit odd
There is only one point scale - but the minimums are different based on MOS.
Max is the same across the board regardless of MOS
I'll use 18 Series to illustrate the unusual scoring standards with the new test:
The Team Sgt only has to meet "Moderate"
The 180A only needs to meet "Significant"
The Team Leader and remaining members of an ODA must pass the "Heavy" standard
All SF Officers to the O6 level must meet Heavy standards
General Officers need only meet "moderate" standards
There is no "age" discrimination now but the "Zulu" crowd and the GO ranks certainly seem to get a break. I am sure there is some good solid science behind the numbers because there is no way they would have any arbitrary reasons behind the scoring scale.
So - now you know - it is physically more demanding to be a BN Commander, Group Commander, or Staff Officer at USASOC than it is to be a Tm Sgt or 180A on an ODA.
But - it is more physically demanding to be an ODA 180A than it is to run SWC, 1st SFC or even USASOC
Of course there are only about 8 or 10 career fields that qualify as Heavy with most of the Army only needing to demonstrate "moderate" levels of fitness.
Clearly the test needs a few more tweaks before we can report that everyone is equal.
He states that the test sets women up to fail. I would hope that the standard would motivate them. If they truly wish to for the lack of a better term be one of the guys. Call me old fashioned but I will never think that opening combat arms up to females was the right thing to do. YMMV
Scimitar
10-08-2019, 17:58
Notice the 6 woman in the Cav unit all did VERY well.
So, apart from the leg lift this is all very achievable.
Also, I'm not sure of the 2 mile run benchmarks compared to the old APFT.
But we're seeing a female fail rate in the run alone of 111 / 358
31% seems awfully high.
Lastly, there's all manner of calculation errors in that spread sheet.
Maybe the document got leaked to that officers high school math teacher? ;)
Also, the infantry units certainly can't seem to count to 10.
Mind you...11 Bravo, I guess makes sense. :D
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Scimitar
10-25-2019, 05:42
The Brits seem to have a similar idea on a new, more comprehensive, fitness test.
They're calling theirs the RFTS.
Very interesting to see how they've approached the problem.
YT.com (https://www.*******.com/watch?v=UrojT8NpTE0)
Army.mod.uk (https://www.army.mod.uk/physical-employment-standards/)
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Quartz_MJC
10-25-2019, 13:01
There is no gender equality when it comes to physical capability.
A tough woman can beat some men
A tough man will be all woman
SOF needs tough men.
Old Dog New Trick
10-25-2019, 13:25
There is no gender equality when it comes to physical capability.
A tough woman can beat some men
A tough man will be all woman
SOF needs tough men.
Some how that just looks wrong! :eek::D
In 2014, Fallon Fox, a transgender MMA fighter, beat his female opponent, Tamika Brents, so severely, that she suffered a broken skull and concussion before being TKO’d.
In an interview following the fight, Brents said:
I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right… I still disagree with Fox fighting. Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair.
I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING
Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras
Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!
We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.
We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.
Me thinks you have spent to much time at the DNC rallies
:munchin
link: Democratic Party Platform Takes Strong Stands on Transgender Equality (https://transequality.org/blog/democratic-party-platform-takes-strong-stands-on-transgender-equality)
I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING
Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras
Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!
We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.
LMFAO....
Badger52
10-26-2019, 18:52
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.
Roost <---- chickens
Utah Bob
10-30-2019, 21:03
I think we should shower praise on folks like Fallon Fox. Athletes like Laurel Hubbard, Cece Telfer, Terry Miller, and Rachel McKinnon are dominating their competition.
DOMINATING
Modern cultural wanted equality and they are now being force-fed the results of their social tinkering like a goose being gavaged for Foie gras
Men are now proving that they are better at everything - Fallon Fox and others are now proving that men are so good at doing stuff better than women that they can even beat women in a contest that requires being a woman.
Whodathink it - men make the best women !!!
We need more menwomen in the Army - that way we can be certain that OUR female troops are better female troops than what other countries are fielding.
Now THAT is what I call good old American style equality.
Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!
...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux[/QUOTE]
cat in the hat
10-30-2019, 21:47
Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!
...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux[/QUOTE]
Best cross thread quote of the year!
F/51 LRS
11-20-2020, 13:21
Yup! Recruiters will start ramping up their efforts to sign up appropriate gender fluid fellas with the promise of a free gender reassignment operation!
...turns out that it was just a radiator hose from a Toyota Hi-Lux[/QUOTE]
Was looking for information on the new PT test and found this. Maybe a coincidence. I met a woman last week on Bragg was a transsexual. She is an 18D teaching at the medic course. She said her time at SWC was almost over and was going back to 3rd Group. She was in uniform, wearing the tab, beret.
Good things are happening with the ACFT fellas...
Good things indeed. It looks like we are gonna return to gender-norming the results of the ACFT and then just pretending that 60 points really does just equal 60 points. Same as it ever was...
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/army-announces-gender-specific-fitness-test-score-percentiles-after-womens-high-fail-rates-on-gender-neutral-test
In other news - a transgendered male just became the first winner of a female a b-e-a-uty pageant in Las Vegas. (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/1st-nevada-transgender-pageant-winner-reflects-on-obstacles-2308419/) Not only are men quickly becoming better female athletes than women, men have officially laid claim to the honor of being better looking women than women themselves. It wont be long and all the showgirls in Vegas will be showpersons !!! Maybe we are going to see the very first Mx Universe !!!
Good things are happening - good things !!!
If male Soldiers are smart they will start forming a line outside the S-1 to identify as female to get some of that sweet sweet gender-specific-percentile-tier grading benefit that will help them get promoted ahead of their cis-male gendered peers.
Otherwise when the gender neutral promotion packet with a gender corrected PT test is reviewed - some of you fuckers are going to passed over for a lesser physical specimen simply because you identified incorrectly.
Silly privileged cis-gendered toxic male rabbits - trix are for kids !!
Good things are happening gents - good things indeed!!!
1stindoor
03-24-2021, 06:01
Good things are happening with the ACFT fellas...
Good things indeed. It looks like we are gonna return to gender-norming the results of the ACFT and then just pretending that 60 points really does just equal 60 points. Same as it ever was...
This hurt my eyes and head to read...
Sergeant Major of the Army Michael Grinston said “the score is still the score, it’s still age and gender nuetral, it’s how we use the score.” Grinston said past versions of the ACFT had not defined how the score would be used.
Grinston tweeted, “Women lead our most lethal units with character. They will dominate ANY future battlefield we’re called to fight on. @TuckerCarlson’s words are divisive, don’t reflect our values. We have THE MOST professional, educated, agile, and strongest NCO Corps in the world.”
In other news, sworn enemies of the United States are now re-evaluating plans to attack upon hearing US Soldiers are now armed with character.
"Women will dominate any future battlefield." ?????
Uhhhmmm, OK there CSM, might want to go drink another cup of your bullshit PC kool-aide. You are an embarrassment.
Freaking Chinese paratroopers don't give a rat's ass about pushing women to lead their combat formations. They are all about killing the enemy. Something we forgot about a while ago.
rsdengler
03-24-2021, 06:43
This hurt my eyes and head to read...
In other news, sworn enemies of the United States are now re-evaluating plans to attack upon hearing US Soldiers are now armed with character.
And wearing earrings and tube of lipstick in their pockets........
"Women will dominate any future battlefield." ?????
Uhhhmmm, OK there CSM, might want to go drink another cup of your bullshit PC kool-aide. You are an embarrassment.
Freaking Chinese paratroopers don't give a rat's ass about pushing women to lead their combat formations. They are all about killing the enemy. Something we forgot about a while ago.
They won't kill anyone it will go more like this
CNN: interview with Chinese officials conducting drills in Alaska.
Chinese paratrooper: We demand entrance into the mainland, open your northern border so we can escape prosecution from a oppressive government.
CNN: How could we turn away these people, They only want a new life in America.
Chinese paratrooper: We will not be a burden most of us have attended collage in California we know our way around and came prepared with our own housing (tents) we plan on working in the tech industry.
3 years later: USA signs universal stand down treaty with Chinese. America to disarm starting with mothballing it's Navy a major source of global warming.
1stindoor
03-24-2021, 08:25
They won't kill anyone it will go more like this
...starting with mothballing it's Navy a major source of global warming.
Jeezus :eek:....that sounds scary enough to actually happen. Especially when it gets pushed from the Left Coast.
And wearing earrings and tube of lipstick in their pockets........
We dont call it lipstick - its chap stick - and the new uniform regulation may not authorize men to wear earrings...
...yet
it does authorize men to wear clear nail polish because nothing beats a mani-pedi after a grueling round of sprint-drag-carry
This is my squad.
rsdengler
03-24-2021, 10:02
We dont call it lipstick - its chap stick - and the new uniform regulation may not authorize men to wear earrings...
...yet
it does authorize men to wear clear nail polish because nothing beats a mani-pedi after a grueling round of sprint-drag-carry
This is my squad.
Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)
The Reaper
03-24-2021, 10:21
NEWS FLASH!
This just in.
On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.
Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."
For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.
TR
NEWS FLASH!
This just in.
On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.
Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."
For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.
TR
Wow.
Why do you hate America so much?
Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)
The beginning?
I think you are looking at the timeline upside down.
...this is clearly nearing the end
This is my squad, being all the of the Army Strong of One they can be.
Peregrino
03-24-2021, 12:49
Clear nail polish is only the beginning....;)
Is that like a "gateway drug"?
WarriorDiplomat
03-24-2021, 13:06
But its OK the R&D can really dig down and get those exo skeletons cost down i.e. the lowest bidder with maintenance contracts for 10 years to make up for the biological difference and they can fix the chromosome issue that leans towards nurturing....who needs a PT orogram the exo skeletons will be adjustable right?...oh and dont forget technology has made being a man a moot point..hand strength and aiming your weapon is almost a thing of the past......who would see our military as weak? Besides countries keeping up with technology who are not reducing spending or concerned with global warming, LGBTQ, Social Justice activist or that pesky free speech or a well regulated militia or the other stuff.....the only issue left is to get the new military to be willing to kill minorities specifically Chinese
The baizuo in DC are carrying around a rucksack full of shit flavored lollipops and they just cant figure out why no one is buying their fucking candy.
Reality isn't the same as that drug induced dream world awaiting these idiots in the parking lot outside of 'StarBuds'
Just because an idea sounded edgy and bold after two or three cans of Hop Chronic - it doesn't mean it's a good basis for relevant policy making.
Stuffing gluten free Défoncé Chocolates down your throat like Peg Bundy snorting bon-bons during her soaps doesn't mean your pseudo academic psycho babble is going to be accepted by others as an intelligent way of motivating human beings - it isn't
We'd all be better off if the Democrats would just get it over with and yank the steering wheel 'hard left' into oncoming traffic. If they don't, cocaine Mitch has already threatened to steer us 'hard right' into a reinforced concrete bridge abutment the next time he is in charge. The only REAL difference between the democrats and republicans is which side of the road we end up on when our cultural school is upside down in flames on the side of the road. Do we die in a fiery car crash on the "right" side of the road or the "left" side of the road. Either way, these assholes are all guilty of GUI - Governing Under the Influence on an expired license.
I'm still pissing my pants laughing at how easy some of you suckers took the bait thinking that McCain was going to help pass Trumps agenda or that Mattis was going to fix eight years of failed Obama defense policy that had turned our military into a social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...
...hahahaha silly rabbits - Mattis is a PRODUCT of eight years of Obama defense policies and his actions demonstrated that charge during the campaign season leading into the general election. Of course not before he completely undermined the Commander in Chiefs foreign policy decision to start backing away from endless wars and countless dead end commitments.
Yet, here we all are, acting like the combat fitness test and maternity clothing is the type of national security issue that we need to be focused on - whatever fuckers
The Chinese are right - we really are a bunch of Baizuo
tom kelly
03-24-2021, 14:59
If we, The U S A "white liberals" need to be saved there is always the United Nations, The European Union, Antifa, BLM and don't forget the MSM.
GratefulCitizen
03-24-2021, 15:38
NEWS FLASH!
This just in.
On average, men have more strength, bone density, aerobic capacity, and testosterone (and all that implies) than women.
Especially if they were born with the XY chromosome and are competing against women, as "women."
For those who understand and embrace the difference, that is all.
TR
Men have, on average, about 50% more skeletal muscle mass.
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/jappl.2000.89.1.81
Men also have a more efficient neuromuscular system.
Rate of force development is determined in the womb and is not very trainable.
This is best demonstrated by the standing vertical jump test.
On average, men have about 50% higher vertical jumps than women, which means a much higher power to weight ratio.
Adding or taking away hormones from a person will not significantly change neuromuscular efficiency.
Nor will it change skeletal dimensions, heart size, etc.
social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...
Septic tanks and clogged drains is why you call FEMA in to facilities that have 3000 people hold up at them, Instead of the 300 they are originally designed to house.
Real shit burning detail !
I know its off topic but to funny.
WarriorDiplomat
03-24-2021, 17:00
The baizuo in DC are carrying around a rucksack full of shit flavored lollipops and they just cant figure out why no one is buying their fucking candy.
Reality isn't the same as that drug induced dream world awaiting these idiots in the parking lot outside of 'StarBuds'
Just because an idea sounded edgy and bold after two or three cans of Hop Chronic - it doesn't mean it's a good basis for relevant policy making.
Stuffing gluten free Défoncé Chocolates down your throat like Peg Bundy snorting bon-bons during her soaps doesn't mean your pseudo academic psycho babble is going to be accepted by others as an intelligent way of motivating human beings - it isn't
We'd all be better off if the Democrats would just get it over with and yank the steering wheel 'hard left' into oncoming traffic. If they don't, cocaine Mitch has already threatened to steer us 'hard right' into a reinforced concrete bridge abutment the next time he is in charge. The only REAL difference between the democrats and republicans is which side of the road we end up on when our cultural school is upside down in flames on the side of the road. Do we die in a fiery car crash on the "right" side of the road or the "left" side of the road. Either way, these assholes are all guilty of GUI - Governing Under the Influence on an expired license.
I'm still pissing my pants laughing at how easy some of you suckers took the bait thinking that McCain was going to help pass Trumps agenda or that Mattis was going to fix eight years of failed Obama defense policy that had turned our military into a social septic tank with a clogged drain while Lowes and Home Depot are fresh out of Green Gobbler...
...hahahaha silly rabbits - Mattis is a PRODUCT of eight years of Obama defense policies and his actions demonstrated that charge during the campaign season leading into the general election. Of course not before he completely undermined the Commander in Chiefs foreign policy decision to start backing away from endless wars and countless dead end commitments.
Yet, here we all are, acting like the combat fitness test and maternity clothing is the type of national security issue that we need to be focused on - whatever fuckers
The Chinese are right - we really are a bunch of Baizuo
Yes absoluteky right
The fever, chills, throwing up the squirts and malaise are symptoms
The virus are politicians selling this nation
Since the Army isn't even trying to hide their double-standard policies anymore, we may as well give them an official sounding name:
Gender Neutral Opportunities/Gender Normed Outcomes, or (GNO)^2 (pronounced gee-en-oh squared).
Aggressive Realignment of Masculine Y Chromosomes
ARMY-C
Be all that you can
Be all that you can
I think you meant "Let's pretend you're more than you can actually be".
I think you meant "Let's pretend you're more than you can actually be".
Have you seen the new video game style "What's your Warrior" recruiting drive?
...all about pretending
Of course, in all fairness, the USMC used to have a recruiting commercial where a guy took on a dragon with a fucking broad sword.
...maybe make believe is a good thing.
Have you seen the new video game style "What's your Warrior" recruiting drive?
...all about pretending
Of course, in all fairness, the USMC used to have a recruiting commercial where a guy took on a dragon with a fucking broad sword.
...maybe make believe is a good thing.
Gen Z wants what the Army offers. They just don’t know it (yet)
and only 30% qualify for service.
https://www.goarmy.com/content/dam/goarmy/recruiter-support/national-campaign/Interim-Campaign-WYW-Recruiter-Launch-Toolkit-21NOV2019.pdf
rsdengler
03-25-2021, 09:38
Is that like a "gateway drug"?
Yep, one step closer to the hard stuff because it will soon be Scarlet Red......:D
Ret10Echo
03-25-2021, 10:10
Have you seen the new video game style "What's your Warrior" recruiting drive?
...all about pretending
Of course, in all fairness, the USMC used to have a recruiting commercial where a guy took on a dragon with a fucking broad sword.
...maybe make believe is a good thing.
LARPing becomes the latest style of warfare
They need a couple of guys (could be any two of the 97 billion of the approved genders) in a horse suit.
Gen Z wants what the Army offers. They just don’t know it (yet)
Ooof.
This may cause me to start a new thread so I dont derail the ACFT thread
Last hard class
03-27-2021, 10:08
I read somewhere that holding a baby, even a doll, immediately lowers a man's testosterone. Think of the training possibilities. All the societal issues we could solve with an Army training doll. Someone should contact the chief of Diversity & Inclusion.
While I'm here: A coulpe of articles pertaining.
Meet Nic.
Nic is very proud of Nic's role in defeating Trump. But this is a health magazine so the real message is how to get in peak physical condition. Not just body, but mind. Nic's win at all cost attitude towards fitness tests:
"Bare minimum is not enough for me"
https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a35712297/i-helped-crush-trumps-backward-trans-military-ban/
More interesting perhaps:
A Saliva test is being developed to quickly measure concussions. Not sure yet how it would be applied to the military. Of note, cant be used on women as they appear to react differently to being beaten with a bat.
Sam Kinison yelling " Because their women"
https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20210326/saliva-test-a-game-changer-for-identifying-concussion
LHC
So is this "Nic" a dude or a chick? Serious question. Picture shows obvious male facial bone structure and an Adam's apple. Do they give chicks Adam's apples when they give them a penis?
x/S
Do they give chicks Adam's apples when they give them a penis?
x/S
I’m only guessing here but that’s probably an upgrade and not an accessory for the base model.
WarriorDiplomat
03-28-2021, 11:58
So is this "Nic" a dude or a chick? Serious question. Picture shows obvious male facial bone structure and an Adam's apple. Do they give chicks Adam's apples when they give them a penis?
x/S
I thinks its a bio male that considers himself a female
So is this "Nic" a dude or a chick? Serious question. Picture shows obvious male facial bone structure and an Adam's apple. Do they give chicks Adam's apples when they give them a penis?
x/S
Bro...
I am sure in a diverse and inclusive new world we can forgive your horrible use of the word "chick" as terrible micro-aggression because you are clearly struggling with having to accept that 60 points are equal to 60 points but a few of your comments provide teachable moments that shouldn't be lost...
"They" have always "had" a penis. Just because the birth doctor didn't see one doesn't mean it wasn't there. Words like penis and vagina are social constructs created by the patriarchy as a way of exploiting others and thus controlling the means of production down through the ages.
For some people, it takes time for the penis to 'become' - some of these heroes are born with a void where their penis only exists virtually. These people are what we call heroes. They go through life cursed with a front hole that prevents the penis from becoming - punished by brutal patriarchy set on forcing them to accept traditional gender roles. Other heroes emerge from the womb encumbered by a bothersome phallus that prevents them from winning a bike race or destroying an MMA opponent. These heroes spend decades waiting to realize their dreams reaching the highest levels of competitive womens sports.
Some of them even take courageous steps to grow into adulthood and win women's beauty pageants unencumbered by the distraction of traditional genitalia.
The ACFT will fix this. It will finally allow the "equality of outcome" never before thought possible by people trapped inside of their small-thinking western minds. It's great-minded people like these that inspired the creation of "Box" as a standalone gender reeking of diversity, inclusion, and awesomeness.
...and why is it always called an "Adam's" apple?
Did Adam encounter the serpent alone and unafraid?
Did Adam climb the tree to claim the apple?
no - Eve did.
It is an Eve's-apple - show some respect.
...and why is it always called an "Adam's" apple?
Did Adam encounter the serpent alone and unafraid?
Did Adam climb the tree to claim the apple?
no - Eve did.
It is an Eve's-apple - show some respect.
Think this is actual wrong also in this woke era,
It would be more appropriate to say the Partnership's Apple. If indeed they are partners.
One Human had possession of said apple then the other ate it. :munchin
Think this is actually wrong also in this woke era,
It would be more appropriate to say the Partnership's Apple. If indeed they are partners.
One Human had possession of said apple then the other ate it. :munchin
I am open-minded and always ready to adjust my opinions when confronted with a choice between subjective truth and objective morality - you are correct in your analysis and contextual representation of our current paradigm as it relates to any given degree of "woke"
I would counter that given our current socio-political landscape we might be able to agree to a compromise with a much more globally appropriate, "People's-Apple"
WarriorDiplomat
03-28-2021, 16:31
Think this is actual wrong also in this woke era,
It would be more appropriate to say the Partnership's Apple. If indeed they are partners.
One Human had possession of said apple then the other ate it. :munchin
Either way its about fruits
LOL
a'lot of fruit to go around these days it seems.
rsdengler
03-28-2021, 17:35
Either way its about fruits
Bahaha....ded ....thanks for the laugh, very much needed today...:D More like a fruit bowl...
Old Dog New Trick
03-29-2021, 07:40
It’s fruit from the poisonous tree...one bad apple makes the rest of us guilty of something...when the “woke” crowd (and democrats) figures it out we’ll know what’s and who’s been canceled next.
Old Dog New Trick
03-29-2021, 07:42
P.S. if the “People’s Fruit” is anything like the “People’s House” it has a razor wire fence around it to keep the people both legal and illegal from entering.
Badger52
04-09-2021, 17:08
Army women flunking first try at ‘gender-neutral’ fitness test
Apr 8, 2021
The U.S. Army, currently stuck in a quagmire over a rigorous new physical fitness test, needs to get its act together and make sure soldiers are ready for combat, says a national security expert.
The rollout of the Army Combat Fitness Test in 2019 hit a roadblock when initial test scores showed 65% of women failed it compared to 10% of men.
The new ACFT replaced the Army’s three-event Army Physical Fitness Test, which graded soldiers according to sex and age, but the alarming failure rate caused an uproar among Democrat lawmakers who used a 2021 Pentagon spending bill to order a halt to scoring soldiers according to the new physical test. A study of the test is being done by the RAND Corp.
According to Stars and Stripes, the fitness exam is a six-event test that is patterned after the grueling CrossFit program with weights and barbells, medicine balls, kettle balls, and a 90-lb. sled to simulate dragging a wounded soldier.
The new test, which is meant to better simulate combat, includes a “leg tuck” station that 72% of women failed when they couldn’t raise their legs to to their chin. That failure rate forced the Army to subtitute a plank if a soldier failed at the leg tuck.
National security analyst Bob Maginnis of the Family Research Council says the new fitness test was designed to be a gender-neutral test, with the same requirements for both men and women, but four out of five women were failing it.
“This, of course, runs contrary to what Barack Obama put in place: Removing all exemptions for women in direct ground combat and some of the physically tough military occupational specialties out there,” Maginnis tells One News Now.
Obama ordered the Pentagon to open up front-line combat roles to women, including grueling infantry units and tip-of-the-spear special operations, sparking fears the armed forces would weaken its combat readiness to accommodate less-qualified females and thus get soldiers killed during grueling, exhausting combat.
During the phase-in period, the U.S. Marine Corps was the only branch to publicly speak out after its own testing showed female Marines were failing to keep up with males during rigorous combat simulation such as loading artillery shells and carrying a wounded Marine to safety.
According to Maginnis, the Biden administration is rolling out a far-left agenda for the U.S. armed forces at the same time the Army is attempting to get its soldiers, males and females, better prepared for combat.
“This is loony stuff,” Maginnis warns. “These people clearly have a radical agenda and it’s not in our best interest.”
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This is going to cause a lot of angst among the Baizuo. They'll lie down, just begin REM, and shoot awake with a start thinking that Boxen are coming for them. Then they'll realize they left the Ryoku on & it's just a re-run from Babes in Toyland (https://www.*******.com/watch?v=lUN78LgRfHE).
Quelle horreur! The political weaponizing of the foibles of one of the 2 biological genders in the battle against the Wokers.
The bar for mediocrity is being set decreasingly lower...
The bar for mediocrity is being set decreasingly lower...
It time for some clever CSM to say, "OK! It's Limbo time!"
It time for some clever CSM to say, "OK! It's Limbo time!"
That guy already exists - his name is Grinston.
This is so much double speak from the military. If I am a Combat Arms soldier then I would expect any other Combat Arms soldier to meet the same standard that I have to meet. When people of the other gender proclaim that they are able to the same things as their opposite gender can they should have to prove it.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/25/army-mulls-returning-gendered-fitness-standards-over-complaints-of-lopsided-acft.html?ESRC=eb_210526.nl
Army Mulls Returning to Gendered Fitness Standards over Complaints of 'Lopsided' ACFT
The Army is considering adding gender-specific standards to its new Army Combat Fitness Test, or ACFT, after early data shows nearly half of female soldiers can't pass the test and might face being removed from service once it becomes official next year.
"We expect all soldiers to meet the exact same minimum standards, regardless of age, gender, or occupational specialty," the trio said in their combined written testimony.
This is so much double speak from the military.
There really isn't as much double speak as people think. More often than not an institution will tell you EXACTLY what their position is.
I have said it over and over again to anyone that will listen - when someone tells you who they are, BELIEVE THEM !!!
Submitted for your review and comment....
"We expect all soldiers to meet the exact same minimum standards, regardless of age, gender, or occupational specialty,"
The Army is concerned with "MINIMUM STANDARDS". We are spending MILLION$ of dullards (sic) going as far down the rabbit hole as it takes to find a way to create a minimum standard that can be reached by "ALL SOLDIERS". We are zealously striving for mediocrity across the force. If we can find a baseline MINIMUM standard that can be reached by ALL soldiers, we can claim victory in our effort to prove that everyone is the same.
As an example:
It doesn't matter that the current world record female 100 meter dash has been stuck at 10.49 since 1988 (and is disputed because of faulty wind readings - the adjusted record is a controversial 10.61)
The 25th fastest men's 100 Meter dash is a 9-Way tie at 9.89 - you dont even get to compete for the gold as a man if you aren't breaking the 10 second barrier - a 40 year old man ran a 9.93 in 2016.
The average High School sprinter (male or female) can do it in about 13 or 14 - so, if the minimum standard is a 14 second 100 meter dash...
...yes, all age, gender, and occupational specialties would be equal
The ACFT is no different. We are adjusting the task to meet the standard. That is not how you prepare for winning in direct human combat. You train to a standard that meets the task. You cant make 100 meters shorter. You cant make the clock run slower. Massage the rules enough and you can find a common "MINIMUM standard" when your declarative statement is, "We expect all soldiers to meet the exact same minimum standards, regardless of age, gender, or occupational specialty,"
We like to give long boring LPD speeches about near peer threats and great power competition - and we present those stupid fucking lectures and empty headed pod cast discussions centered around a core of "minimum standards" that are massaged and polished to make everyone sound equal.
We repeatedly and even SHAMELESSLY use phrases like reducing obstacles to training or suggest that we are somehow eliminating barriers that will allow more people to "join" when all that crap really is just a fancy euphemism for "manipulating the standards" so that we can reach our goal of being able to say that all soldiers can meet the exact same minimum standard.
Its all about equity and fairness you stupid mother fuckers.
This is so much double speak from the military.
"We expect all soldiers to meet the exact same minimum standards, regardless of age, gender, or occupational specialty,".
Yes, there is. :mad:
"We expect all soldiers to meet the exact same minimum standards,..."
My flight instructor explained minimum standards to me in my teens: "Would you fly with someone who was only two thirds competent at flying an airplane?"
Badger52
05-27-2021, 04:11
My flight instructor explained minimum standards to me in my teens: "Would you fly with someone who was only two thirds competent at flying an airplane?"Funny, mine posited the exact same question. Maybe it's in the magic ink on the CFI test.
The Army is concerned with "MINIMUM STANDARDS".
Good Example
I only see one problem The Army uses Metric's not Standard's.
This by the way briefs well as you pointed out and can be changed depending on who is being briefed via power point manipulation, pending approval up the chain of command and revisions x20+.
Remember perception is reality !
The Army uses Metric's not Standard's.
Nice...
I'll turn that statement into a pun and make this observation - if they would stop using "metrics" and follow "standards" like they are supposed to - they could declare that a woman broke the 10 second barrier in "The Hundred"
100 "METRIC" dash record is 10.49
100 "STANDARD" dash record is 9.91
Life always turns out better for those that are willing to follow standards instead of trying to pander to 'metrics'
Trapper John
05-27-2021, 08:49
Originally posted by Box Its all about equity and fairness you stupid mother fuckers.
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That's gotta be the "Quote of the Year" to shutdown most any silly argument! :p
Last hard class
03-23-2022, 13:09
Army Times update:
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/03/23/army-combat-fitness-test-debuts-with-major-changes-to-scoring-april-1/
Removing gender and age neutral scoring
Regarding the 2.5 mile walk. I'm hoping this is for wounded/injured personnel?
LHC
Everything is going exactly as planned--go all-in on the legitimacy and importance of gender-neutral standards to justify opening close combat jobs to women, then when the Army applies gender-neutral standards to an Army-wide soldier task cry 'sexism' and get gender-normalized standards reapplied to gain administrative advantages on evaluations, promotions, and OMLs.
Exactly-As-Planned.
So I guess the concept of using science to develop a common standard has been thrown straight into the shitter. It reminds me of an old Irish folk song - I'd tell you all the name of the band that wrote the lyrics, but I just cant remember Who...
We'll be fighting in Ukraine
with our genders all the same
And the morals that we worshiped will be gone
And the pronouns that we own
Social justice proved them wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the woke constitution
Take a bow for the woke revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my M4 and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We’ve all been fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
and the liberals had full control, that's all
And the world don’t look the same
All the history books have changed
'and Afghanistan we lost in our last war
I'll tip my hat to the woke constitution
Take a bow for the woke revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my M4 and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We’ve all been fooled again,
OH NO…
I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half-alive
I'll get my COVID passport and smile at the sky
most Americans are hypnotized – I don’t know why…
Do you?
Yeah
There's nothing in the street
it all looks different to me
And the slogans are effaced, by-the-bye
And the party on the left
Is the party on the right
Politician’s noses all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the woke constitution
Take a bow for the woke revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my M4 and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We’ve all been fooled again
we’ve been fooled again
OH NO…
Yeah !!!
The new PT test
Same as the old PT test
Just a thought for the moderators...
...isn't it time we moved this thread about the Unites States Army "Combat" fitness test into "The Comedy Zone"
Even the Army has admitted that the test is just a “general physical fitness assessment” that doesn't actually reflect success during any of the 'Warrior Tasks' or Battle Drills
How can we take it seriously when an unnamed senior enlisted leader needs to argue that the word "combat" should remain part of the name because after all, we all "go to combat"
yes indeed - meet the new boss - same as the old boss
How can we take it seriously when an unnamed senior enlisted leader needs to argue that the word "combat" should remain part of the name because after all, we all "go to combat"
yes indeed - meet the new boss - same as the old boss
Combat is so yesterday
The new term is "Special Military Operation"
rsdengler
03-24-2022, 11:30
So, they took away the Leg Tuck and added the Plank. How many complaints will there be now this was added, because planks are not easy either. If they couldn't do the minimum leg tucks, then wow this will be a challenge. Gender-Neutral is so BS, either you can or you cannot, so no free rides.
"Planks are the MacGyver of bodyweight movements: They're super tough and great for almost any situation. They're best known for working your core, but planks engage more than 20 muscles, including your shoulders, back, arms, legs, and glutes".
They should take a more progressive approach to health and fitness. They've allowed liberal progressivism to ooze its way into nearly every other facet of military readiness - why stop now. There are more pleasurable, efficient, and faster ways to stay in shape.
They say that having sex can burn as many calories as running three miles...
...and there's no way in hell's half-acre that I can run three miles in less than a minute.
and it only gets better??
Lawmakers order Army to create separate fitness standard for combat specialties, By Leo Shane III and Meghann Myers, Jun 15, 04:46 PM
Senate lawmakers unhappy with the newly revised Army Combat Fitness Test want service leaders to develop stronger fitness standards for soldiers most likely to see combat, congressional sources told Military Times Wednesday.
The move would also require all of the armed services to consider separate fitness standards for troops in non-combat jobs, to ensure that a more difficult fitness test wouldn’t force out, for example, medical and cyber specialists whose jobs may call for different physical skills.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/06/15/lawmakers-order-army-to-create-separate-fitness-standard-for-combat-specialties/?fbclid=IwAR1vt0QeC12SU-xXaeWzUMfx2hUrslIexrogv9ms0_-Jc4KhgFAv2aU3Tr8
:munchin
they are already retooling the test to better fit age and gender demographic so the outcomes will be more equal
...its Putins fault
rsdengler
06-16-2022, 08:50
they are already retooling the test to better fit age and gender demographic so the outcomes will be more equal
...its Putins fault
That damn Putin...:D
they are already retooling the test to better fit age and gender demographic so the outcomes will be more equal
...its Putins fault
Gender? Gender? Woke up man! This is the new and improved Army!:rolleyes:
they are already retooling the test to better fit age and gender demographic so the outcomes will be more equal
...its Putins fault
Define Gender ?
tom kelly
06-21-2022, 00:52
May be the test should have a Bike Ride....?
Define Gender ?
Bro...
...really?
Let me begin by saying that gender is a social construct. Just like ekwalitee is a social construct.
...mostly because of Vladimir Putin (and I think we can ALL agree on that.)
The understanding of gender is complex - especially when the ball is in my court - for sociopolitical commentary on the effects of gender confusion on an awakened society the complexity increases exponentially. Lots of nuance, subtleties, and context.
To the educated and informed - gender is actually a RANGE of socially constructed and biased characteristics - developed countless generations ago by a power hungry patriarchal cabal of bullies, racists, and misogynists.
There is no gender BUT gender. It's part of the patriarchal paradox - all part of the great illusion...
...how can there be a patriarchy when balanced against the universally balanced scales of gender fluidity?
To have a patriarchy, you must have gender. Could not then, someone misgendered from birth grow up to become part of the patriarchy? Couldn't someone that was "assigned female" by a doctor, grow up to identify as a patriarchal bully? What if one was assigned male at birth, assumed and celebrated their male role in the patriarchy, and then decided to identify as female in order to further dominate those cis-gendered females that still identify with the gender they were assigned at birth?
To faithfully answer your challenge of "Define Gender ?" We would need to simultaneously address the nuanced existence of the concepts of Femininity and Masculinity.
Femininity and Masculinity - should they be capitalized? Does it matter? Does your assigned gender impact if your Femininity and Masculinity are upper case traits? If you are misgendered at birth does your repressed femininity and/or masculinity become lower case traits? What if you transcend the social constructs of traditional gender labels like femininity and masculinity? What if I decide my preferred gender pronoun is "@$$#013" ??
So many questions.
For those of you that are genderpronouncurious - bigots and genderphobes would incorrectly try to pronounce that as "asshole"
For the record, that is NOT how you pronounce my preferred gender pronoun - the correct pronunciation of the gender pronoun, '@$$#013' is simply, 'Box the Great'
...if you cant see why, then there is no way for me to explain it to you.
Does that answer your question?
Now, get off the internet and get moving - there is a gender and age neutral, normative, results based, equity of outcome, COMBAT physical fitness test in your future...
Named "combat" PT test because, well - "we ALL go to combat"
Badger52
06-21-2022, 14:57
Now, get off the internet and get moving - there is a gender and age neutral, normative, results based, equity of outcome, COMBAT physical fitness test in your future...Er kommt! :cool:
Bro...
Does that answer your question?
Now, get off the internet and get moving - there is a gender and age neutral, normative, results based, equity of outcome, COMBAT physical fitness test in your future...
Named "combat" PT test because, well - "we ALL go to combat"
So you identify as box the great. GOT iT..
COMBAT may be in my future, as a civilian I agree. But no need for a physical fitness test I am retired.
That is for the Gender confused equity, Metric people.
I Identify as the Standard.
I Identify as the Standard.
...and a fine identity it is
if only we could get our nation's military leaders to consider a similar method
i doubt it - but we can always hope
Last hard class
06-27-2023, 02:27
What's old is new again.
I submit for your reading amusement.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/26/congress-army-fitness-test-2024-soldiers/
LHC
Badger52
06-27-2023, 04:34
What's old is new again.
I submit for your reading amusement.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/26/congress-army-fitness-test-2024-soldiers/
LHC
“I think they realized the ACFT highlights just how out of shape a lot of soldiers are and how different women are from men physically and that’s hurting a lot of feelings so they’re abandoning it,”
The NCAA was not available for comment.
“Just remember ya’ll. One single leg tuck defeated the entire United States Army and forced it to lower standards. Lower standards is the standard,” one user posted.
:munchin
Why doesn't the Army give bonus checks for maxing the ACPT ?
Then make the standards achievable for a few.
:lifter:munchin
Why doesn't the Army give bonus checks for maxing the ACPT ?
:lifter:munchin
In the modern world it is frowned upon to reward only those who excel, everyone gets a trophy or no one get a trophy.
Why doesn't the Army give bonus checks for maxing the ACPT ?
Then make the standards achievable for a few.
:lifter:munchin
Do you have ANY idea how offensive your proposal is?
"bonus checks"
"maxing"
Are you suggesting that we reward privilege?
Are you suggesting that we encourage elitism?
Are you suggesting that we empower an already oppressive patriarchy?
Dear sweet 8-pound 6-ounce newborn infant baby Jesus in your golden fleece diapers with your tiny little fat balled up fists don’t even know a word yet just a cuddly little infant but still omnipotent...
...are you kidding me?
Your proposal ENCOURAGES inekwaulitee !!!
What in the acktual fuck !!!
You are going to destroy a generation worth of social justice over one fucking leg lift !!!
Dude, do you even Army any more?
Whats wrong with you?
I'll bet you probably think the Milkshake Machine repair guy at McDonalds is worth 15 dollars an hour just to tell you that the machine is still broken.
C'mon man.
How different women are from men, that kind of talk can and will get you fired in the civilian world. So are we supposed to listen to the science or not? The left has steadily been destroying the military for years.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12237057/Veteran-biology-professor-teaching-sex-determined-chromosomes-X-Y-fired.html
Generation X, only responds to being rewarded trophies and bonus checks.
My generation thought when you maxed the Horizontal ladder that you were a real stud.
With a little practice you could max the run dodge and fall, but there were always that one Soldier that kept going the wrong way!
:lifter:munchin
With a little practice you could max the run dodge and fall,
:lifter:munchin
:D I was the master of the low crawl. Test day, at Polk, it was below freezing! We walked to the field and saw that the DSs had hosed the monkey bars and low crawl mat. We groaned at the thought that they would screw with us at this time. I hit the monkey bars, never my best stage, and my hands froze into perfect hooks and the bars didn't roll, finished strong. The low crawl mat was an iced slip-and-slide, everyone maxed it. The other events took care of themselves. It was nice to see that the DSs had actually helped us out.