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Whiskey is the water of life -George Bernard Shaw once called it, "liquid sunshine" some of the worlds most philosophical thoughts are a by-product of that wonderful brown liquor that I am certain made me so much more interesting to women when I was a young and single paratrooper - but dont take my word for it - here's what a few of my whiskey sipping associates have to say on the issue.............
Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water. ~W.C. Fields
I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. ~Frank Sinatra
“Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.” ~ Mark Twain
“The water was not fit to drink. To make it palatable, we had to add whisky. By diligent effort, I learned to like it.” ~ Winston Churchill
I like to keep a bottle of whiskey handy in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy. ~W.C. Fields
“I’m on a whisky diet. I’ve lost three days already.” ~ British Comedian Tommy Cooper
“Happiness is having a rare steak, a bottle of whisky, and a dog to eat the rare steak.” ~ Johnny Carson
Woman first tempted man to eat; he took to drinking of his own accord. ~ unknown
I don't get drunk — I get awesome. ~Author Unknown
It is true that whisky improves with age. The older I get, the more I like it.
Courage is a vitamin best swallowed with whiskey.
I've been reading so much about the bad effects of smoking, drinking and sex that I've finally decided to give up reading.
What's the difference between a dog and a fox? 2 shots of whiskey
If you drink too much whiskey people call you an alcoholic. If you drink too much Fanta, shouldn't they call you FANTAstic ??
I don't recycle because it makes me look like a huge alcoholic to my garbage man.
Oh, I know who said this:
"Woman first tempted man to eat; he took to drinking of his own accord." Adam
Just look at his kids.
rsdengler
04-16-2019, 04:40
Makes me want to drink a swig of Whiskey......LOL.....:D
Son, That's a fine list of proverbs you have
Slainte :lifter
miclo18d
04-16-2019, 06:55
Mmmmmmmm Oban Little Bay....
Makes me want to drink a swig of Whiskey......LOL.....:D
A "swig" ?
Seriously? You got stuck on "a swig of whiskey" ???
...did you not read the thread ?
You take a "swig" of Listerine when you wake up in the morning to hide the smell of whiskey on your breath from the night before - you take a "swig" of iced tea after you finish some yard work - you take a "swig" of orange juice to wash down your bacon and eggs and biscuits and gravy and then you take a "swig" of coffee to wash the taste of orange juice out of your mouth...
...then you pour a SHOT of Irish Whiskey into your coffee because that is what a leprechaun would do.
Then you drink a SHOT of Scotch so they don't think you are beholden to the Irish.
Instead - you chose to post the word "swig" - shame on you.
Seriously - shame on you.
Who in the name of oak casks wants a "swing" - WC Fields would be ashamed of you.
...so would his snake
PedOncoDoc
04-16-2019, 08:21
...then you pour a SHOT of Irish Whiskey into your coffee because that is what a leprechaun would do.
Then you drink a SHOT of Scotch so they don't think you are beholden to the Irish.
What have you got against the American stuff? Are you ashamed of your country and the offerings of its many fine distilleries?!
Makes me want to drink a swig of Whiskey......LOL.....:D
Madam,
The proper unit of measure is a Gill(alt Jill)
Gill, also spelled jill, in measurement, unit of volume in the British Imperial and United States Customary systems. It is used almost exclusively for the measurement of liquids. Although its capacity has varied with time and location, in the United States it is defined as half a cup, or four U.S. fluid ounces, which equals 7.219 cubic inches, or 118.29 cubic cm; in Great Britain the gill is five British fluid ounces, which equals 8.669 cubic inches, one-fourth pint, or 142.07 cubic cm.
The gill was introduced in the 14th century to measure individual servings of whiskey or wine. The term jill appears in the nursery rhyme “Jack and Jill.” Soon after ascending to the throne of England in 1625, King Charles I scaled down the jack or jackpot (sometimes known as a double jigger) in order to collect higher sales taxes. The jill, by definition twice the size of the jack, was automatically reduced also and “came tumbling after.”
https://www.britannica.com/science/gill-measurement
What have you got against the American stuff? Are you ashamed of your country and the offerings of its many fine distilleries?!
au contraire mon frère
- it is just an injustice to bring up something like Kentucky Bourbon or Tennessee Whiskey in a conversation about "swigs" - it just isnt right
you can take a shot of Scotch or Irish whiskey because they are best enjoyed as a 'shot'
You pour a GLASS of Bourbon and then you drink it.
Notice that I still haven't made any specific references to that blended crap they make in Canada. As a bit of trivia: Seagram-7 was bought by Coca-Cola in Y2K.
Seagram-7 is not so much "whiskey" as it is a 'soda accessory'
...and to add insult to injury, the original Seagram's distillery was turned into condominiums.
So, technically, I guess you could "swig" Seagrams - but you might as well drink Seagram wine coolers if you are just going to "swig" - Seagrams is the pale-skinned and weak vegan kid living his his grandmothers basement of the whiskey drinking world.
Madam,
The proper unit of measure is a Gill(alt Jill)
Wouldn’t that be for mixing a drink?
A dram is the standard measure for a drink of just whisky.
Ah yes - a dram IS IN FACT the defining measure for a single serving of whiskey.
A dram is also measured as "three scruples"
The problems is, after a couple of drams, some people tend to loose ALL of their scruples....
Wouldn’t that be for mixing a drink?
A dram is the standard measure for a drink of just whisky.
I first learned of the Gill on a Business trip to Scotland(cera 1981?). A local friend took me to a private club(a buddies garage) where all drinks were either 1/4 or 1/2 Gill served in a 4oz glass with a bit of room for ONE ice cube.
Although all pubs will serve a dram or shot, you will get a smile from the bartender if you order a Gill (4oz US vs 5oz UK)
A wee dram is a bit small for my liking :]
one Gill = 32 Drams
unit of weight in the apothecaries' and avoirdupois systems. ... The avoirdupois dram contains 27.344 grains (1.772 grams) and is equal to one-sixteenth avoirdupois ounce of 437 12 grains.
The term also refers to the fluid dram, a measure of capacity equal to one-eighth fluid ounce.
rsdengler
04-16-2019, 10:42
A "swig" ?
Seriously? You got stuck on "a swig of whiskey" ???
...did you not read the thread?
Instead - you chose to post the word "swig" - shame on you.
Seriously - shame on you.
Lol...seriously what if I want to take a "swig" of whisky? What if I needed to swallow, belt, or gulp a large amount in a single moment? Ha....��
Ok....then give me a shot or a gill & be done with it.....Lol��
Gulp is something that rednecks do with cheap NASCAR beer - it is not how civilized people drink Bourbon, Irish Whiskey or a good Single-Malt Scotch.
I suppose if you are one of those heathens that drink double malt scotch or some other nonsensical type of blended whiskey - a belt or even a slug would be suitable or even appropriate. (not as a way of quantifying the size of your drink but as a physical form of punishment for your poor life choices)
If one needs to "swallow, belt, or gulp a large amount in a single moment" then I would just assume that they are talking about an 8 dollar bottle of Kentucky Gentleman or a half empty bottle of Early Times that was stolen from underneath the threadbare smelly overcoat of a passed out homeless bum sleeping under a bridge. You know what Iam talking about - the same kind of people that would drink ThunderBird out of a plastic champagne flute.............
rsdengler
04-16-2019, 11:40
Ha.....to tell you the truth, I don't drink any hard liquor. But if I did want a taste of Whiskey I would pour it in a glass, smell it, "sip" and roll it around in my mouth a bit, and then swallow....LOL....:D
I first learned of the Gill on a Business trip to Scotland(cera 1981?). A local friend took me to a private club(a buddies garage) where all drinks were either 1/4 or 1/2 Gill served in a 4oz glass with a bit of room for ONE ice cube.
Although all pubs will serve a dram or shot, you will get a smile from the bartender if you order a Gill (4oz US vs 5oz UK)
A wee dram is a bit small for my liking :]
one Gill = 32 Drams
So having 2 drinks is not being an alcoholic. Learning has occurred.
So having 2 drinks is not being an alcoholic. Learning has occurred.
You are correct - 2 glasses of whiskey = perfectly acceptable.
You are correct - 2 glasses of whiskey = perfectly acceptable.
Now to convince people that having them with breakfast is for cultural reasons.
And lunch...and dinner...and a nightcap.
Peregrino
04-16-2019, 14:49
Gulp is something that rednecks do with cheap NASCAR beer - it is not how civilized people drink Bourbon, Irish Whiskey or a good Single-Malt Scotch.
I suppose if you are one of those heathens that drink double malt scotch or some other nonsensical type of blended whiskey - a belt or even a slug would be suitable or even appropriate. (not as a way of quantifying the size of your drink but as a physical form of punishment for your poor life choices)
If one needs to "swallow, belt, or gulp a large amount in a single moment" then I would just assume that they are talking about an 8 dollar bottle of Kentucky Gentleman or a half empty bottle of Early Times that was stolen from underneath the threadbare smelly overcoat of a passed out homeless bum sleeping under a bridge. You know what Iam talking about - the same kind of people that would drink ThunderBird out of a plastic champagne flute.............
Please don't needlessly disparage the "lesser" distillates, they too serve their purpose. Though beneath the dignity of a connoisseur, they are not valueless. Even the swill in the half gallon plastic bottles on the bottom shelf at the Class VI has value if it can be used to divert the cretins who would blithely adulterate the more refined offerings with base contaminates, i.e. cola. Personally, I've been known to bait the bar with a half gallon of Jack Daniels just to distract the dipsomaniacs from my W2O.
Please don't needlessly disparage the "lesser" distillates, they too serve their purpose. Though beneath the dignity of a connoisseur, they are not valueless. Even the swill in the half gallon plastic bottles on the bottom shelf at the Class VI has value if it can be used to divert the cretins who would blithely adulterate the more refined offerings with base contaminates, i.e. cola.
The American distillers guild is more than capable of creating the finest whiskey in the world, but for the stinking laws,, and profit margins..
I truly would love to see the US (not sure if it's ATF or Food & Drug or ICC) eliminate the stupid law(s) that regulate the whiskey industry.
One of the most abhorrent codes is that ALL whiskey distillers must use brand new oak barrels and they can only be used once.
Whereas the Scots and Irish will use a barrel multiple times. In fact, they purchase "used" American barrels.
They also use wine barrels from all over the EU for the distinct flavor they impart during the maturation period. Port, Burgandy, Brandy, both red and white USED wine casks.
ALSO, American distillers need to start aging their product to some acceptable length of time. It is the maturing process that makes truly great whisky.
By law, in Scotland, whisky must be matured for a minimum of three years. If a bottle of Scotch whisky shows an age statement, e.g. "12 Years Old" means that the youngest whisky in the bottle is at least 12 years old.
In the US they wait until the molasses is thoroughly stirred, then bottle.,, well, maybe a one or two, but not long enough.
The aging problem is economic, when the whisky sits for a year, it makes no money. Let it sit 18 yrs?? AND let the alcohol evaporate thru the porous wood.
Approximately 29 million gallons evaporate out of Scotish barrels every single year. It's called the angels' share and one reason great whisky is expensive.
link: ainglean a ’roinn uisge-beatha (https://vinepair.com/articles/what-is-angels-share-scotch/)
PedOncoDoc
04-16-2019, 15:53
; It's called the angles share and one reason great whisky is expensive.
This is an acute problem in the states. Am I right on this, or am I being too obtuse? ;)
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This is an acute problem in the states. Am I right on this, or am I being too obtuse? ;)
Not Obtuse, to the point, There are some boutique distillers that are moving in the right direction, but slowly.
I am not sure why. Distillers in Scotland and Irland have a couple of hundred years practice, but Whiskey has been made in the US from the get-go.
George Washington, at Mount Vernon(c ref), was one of the largest distillers in the US, so were several other founding fathers. But what they made was a matter of what is available, corn, wheat, rye, oats, barley...
I think the early US distilleries were partially bound by Puritan attitudes, while the early Scots and Irish were mostly Catholic and didn't give a dam for the English or Martin Luther and the Reformers.
link: Mt Vernon Distillery (https://www.mountvernon.org/the-estate-gardens/distillery/distilled-spirits-at-mount-vernon/)
Peregrino
04-17-2019, 07:45
JJ - IIRC it's only bourbon that has strict regulations WRT how it's made. Complaints about the "laws" are just that, complaints. Bourbon is still whiskey, it's just produced to a rigid standard; reminiscent of the German beer purity laws. American distillers can produce anything they want; they just can't call it Bourbon if it doesn't meet the nine criteria codified in the laws/regulations. If you ever get the chance I recommend taking the Bourbon Trail tour in KY. Well worth your time and certainly educational. (Kind of disappointing too; especially when you learn how many American distilleries are actually owned by foreign interests.)
bblhead672
04-17-2019, 08:18
JJ - IIRC it's only bourbon that has strict regulations WRT how it's made. Complaints about the "laws" are just that, complaints. Bourbon is still whiskey, it's just produced to a rigid standard; reminiscent of the German beer purity laws. American distillers can produce anything they want; they just can't call it Bourbon if it doesn't meet the nine criteria codified in the laws/regulations. If you ever get the chance I recommend taking the Bourbon Trail tour in KY. Well worth your time and certainly educational. (Kind of disappointing too; especially when you learn how many American distilleries are actually owned by foreign interests.)
This topic is best discussed over a variety of fine whiskeys!
G2squared
04-17-2019, 22:05
Box,
Thank You for bringing attention to the truly important things in our lives. Of all of the BS that media and our country consider important, none is as worthy of our time spent reading as your wisdom in text here.
Thank you again for initiating this dialog.
2 GLASSES down and carrying on.
G2
Ret10Echo
03-29-2021, 17:43
Seeking any inputs on this particular whiskey
. Special Operations Executive (SOE).
The legendary SOE was created on July 22, 1940. It was a secret British WWII organization whose purpose was to conduct espionage, sabotage and reconnaissance in occupied Europe. Few people were aware of SOE's existence. Its agents were mainly tasked with sabotage and subversion behind enemy lines.
Seeking any inputs on this particular whiskey
Info I found:
confusing?? Glen Barton is Canadian of Glenora Distillery and I think they are owned by Sarerac.
https://www.sazerac.com/our-world/our-distilleries.html
This is Glenora Distillery's defining whisky. The Glen Breton name has been a source of legal issues since before the whisky was even released. The Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) claimed that "Glen" is a name used only for Scotch whiskies and that this Canadian whisky could be misleading for international buyers. Since "Scotch" doesn't appear on the label and Glen Barton clearly markets itself as a Canadian whisky, the lawsuit was eventually dropped after a 9 year battle. This single malt whisky was aged for 10 years in American oak barrels.
https://distiller.com/spirits/glen-breton-rare-10-year
Glen Breton makes - -Special Operations Executive (SOE) Commemorative Whisky
https://glenbretonwhisky.com/store/soe-commemorative-whisky
The SOE may be a short run or one-off?
Having a disterially create short-run bottelings is not uncommon. You contract for whiskey(what ever), tast it, like it, and commit to XX barrels.
This is often done by unique organizations like SFA, VFW, whoever, primarily for their members.
I think there have been simular bottleing for the 1st SFG and other groups. Some are very successful.
1st Special Forces Group Whiskey (6th Edition) - 2020 Release
https://heritagedistilling.com/products/1sfgwhiskey
This thread is n the comedy zone so all bets are off...
Scotch Whisky commemorating a British unit, made in Canada soon to be consumed in quantity by Americans.
...I wonder if the Chinese have any stock in that company?
This thread is n the comedy zone so all bets are off...
Scotch Whisky commemorating a British unit, made in Canada soon to be consumed in quantity by Americans.
...I wonder if the Chinese have any stock in that company?
Wait, there's more :munchin
Sazerac Company, Inc is a privately held American alcoholic beverage company headquartered in Metairie in the metropolitan area of New Orleans, Louisiana, but with its principal office in Louisville, Kentucky. The company is owned by billionaire William Goldring and his family.
Goldring is a member of the board of trustees of The National WWII Museum, New Orleans.
Beside his considerable charitable contributions, his political gifts are all Republician..
https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/william-goldring.asp?cycle=16
RCummings
03-30-2021, 08:35
Hopefully the SOE whiskey is shipped bottled or drunk at Camp X.
http://www.camp-x.com/camp-x.html
Golf1echo
03-30-2021, 09:17
Perhaps some of the barriers are coming down with regulations thanks to small American Distillers? I’ve been eyeing the 291 Brand and noticed that their E for experimental has won awards for wheat Whiskey, I’m not clear if E is a wheated bourbon or not? I’m also curious about the Aspen wood staves used in the finishing barrels, I wouldn’t have thought that comparable to Oak?
https://distillery291.com/whiskeys/
https://beerconnoisseur.com/articles/distillery-291-releases-291-e-batch-7-colorado-whiskey
Ret10Echo
03-30-2021, 09:55
Think I'm going to repopulate this into a thread that is not the Comedy Zone...
rsdengler
04-02-2021, 09:00
I kind of wish I was a Whiskey drinker, I could be lounging out on my back deck with a drink and a cigar....they just go hand-n-hand. But I'd probably fall off my deck...lol...:D
If I have the extra $ then Glenmorangie is the one I prefer. I guess a wise man drinks bourbon that way he remembers what he's drinking. :cool:
PedOncoDoc
04-02-2021, 12:29
If I have the extra $ then Glenmorangie is the one I prefer. I guess a wise man drinks bourbon that way he remembers what he's drinking. :cool:
You should try the Barrel Proof Elijah Craig...
The Reaper
04-02-2021, 20:02
Not sure if it has been discussed, but the Horse Soldiers Reserve is excellent, if a little pricey.
Worth a try, and they ship to several states.
Also open right now, we have Weller's, Old Forester Birthday, Angel's Envy, Blanton's, Buffalo Trace, and my regular sipping whiskey, Bernheim Original.
Buffalo Trace products are extremely hard to come by these days. It will be a few years before their current expansion produces significantly more whiskey.
TR
Reaper, thanks for that I've been wondering about the Horse Soldier. May be celebrating a new job soon. Seems like a good excuse to buy a nice bottle.
Reaper, thanks for that I've been wondering about the Horse Soldier. May be celebrating a new job soon. Seems like a good excuse to buy a nice bottle.
You will not go wrong with any of the Horse Soldier Bourbons.
I’ve been eyeing the 291 Brand and noticed that their E for experimental has won awards for wheat Whiskey
They call it a Rye and use some unique barreling.
Award-winning small-batch whiskey distillery Distillery 291 out of Colorado recently released their 291 “M” Colorado Whiskey for the holidays that just passed, a new whiskey made with 291’s flagship rye that is finished in whiskey barrels previously used to age maple syrup.
The whiskey starts as the distillery’s 291 Colorado Rye Whiskey, which is aged in new American white oak barrels and finished with Aspen staves, before being transferred to barrels previously used to barrel-age Wisconsin maple syrup by producer Lincoln County Reserve Maple Syrup. It was then finished for an additional four months.
With official tasting notes making mention of toasted oak, toffee, maple syrup, and figs, the 291 “M” Colorado whiskey reportedly gives a rich and spicy taste that the distillery describes as “liquid french toast with a serious kick.”
The new whiskey is presented at 123.4 proof for a suggested retail price around $105 per 750 ml bottle and is available at Distillery 291’s tasting room and select Colorado retailers. The release contains a limited quantity of 866 bottles and stands as the first new label introduced by 291 in five years.
Using the maple syrup barrels is a big plus,, but only 4 months??
@ 123.4 proof the angles hardly get their fair share..
:munching
PS: I would add the whisky business is a billion dollar industry,, read: reviews and awards are a bit contrived and self-manufactured :lifter
Golf1echo
04-08-2021, 05:57
JJ Good catch, I was thinking wheat in the literal sense. I recall the description from “Our Southern Highlanders “ regarding the folks with greater means adding rye to corn liquor in the Southern Blue Ridge. I do enjoy the Rye Bourbons for the most part.
I agree with your last comment, I often feel I’m in the epicenter of self congratulation here in Colorado. Besides the Real estate market another favorite of mine is the street department, their heads tell us they’re on time and under budget constantly...:rolleyes: I suppose that’s a good thing because we would never know that unless they told us.
The truth is I’m thrilled to taste some Jack Daniels single barrel select or some 4 roses on occasion Jack’s SBS Rye is pretty tasty IMO.
There does seem to be a lot of smaller breweries and distilleries here as well as some liquors that are manufactured for brands. One of my favorite adds for a small distiller in Basalt was “ The difference between our distillery and some others is that we actually have a distillery.”
Ret10Echo
04-08-2021, 18:10
Redemption out of Indiana makes a "High Rye Bourbon"
Corn, Rye and Barley.
I've found it a good go-to for sipping straight or in a traditional Old Fashioned if I don't have straight Rye handy
REDEMPTION HIGH RYE BOURBON BARREL SELECT
Peregrino
04-09-2021, 08:05
Redemption out of Indiana makes a "High Rye Bourbon"
Corn, Rye and Barley.
I've found it a good go-to for sipping straight or in a traditional Old Fashioned if I don't have straight Rye handy
REDEMPTION HIGH RYE BOURBON BARREL SELECT
My ADHD got me - at first glance I thought it read "stripping paint". :p
Ret10Echo
04-09-2021, 08:12
My ADHD got me - at first glance I thought it read "stripping paint". :p
LOL
No, that's the plastic bottle stuff :D