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Ret10Echo
01-11-2019, 16:39
Actually not..:D But thought the article was interesting.
Earth’s magnetic poles can wander several kilometers every year, however, the north pole's movement has become increasingly stranger in recent years. For reasons that are currently unclear, the magnetic north pole seems to be increasingly slipping away from Canada and towards Siberia at an erratic rate, according to a news report in Nature.
Article here (https://www.iflscience.com/environment/earths-magnetic-field-is-up-to-some-seriously-weird-stuff-and-no-one-knows-why-/)
ahh shit, how many maps will the declination have to be changed??? A lot of "mis-oriented" troops ...oh, wait they use GPS stuff now...
Do they even carry maps anymore???:eek:
Read an article years ago about the N & S poles flipping every million years or so. Theary was the molten core burps and rolls causing the poles to move.
The article spoke of doing core drillings xxxxxxx deep and finding ferrous metals that had been encapsulated pointing in one direction,, then on other layers, they were pointing in another direction.
If that happens today,, lots of GPS and other measurement tools would be whacked.
Ret10Echo
01-11-2019, 21:32
GPS will generally continue to operate as normal, assuming no shift in the overall magnetic field of the earth that would make unstable geosynchronous orbits or drastic magnetic distortion on GPS signals that might create multipath or spurious emissions that upset timing accuracy. (Yeah, the commo guy is claiming ionospheric disruptions are to blame...go figure :D)
Declination would be trashed..... so if anyone were to actually use map and compass the translation to grid would be problematic. A bit of improvisation and terrain association would fix that up in a jiffy. :lifter
This article really grabbed me, luckily the post pop up while seated in the Firestone library at Princeton University, my first thought was what a gift this is, now I can go over the IAS (Institute of Advance studies), now that I had a valid question, I could waggle my way in. IAS is very well known, but rather secretive, in addition to a rigorous admittance process to study there, which is usually by invitation.
Sizing on opportunity, I immediately call Professor Kolinski, Chair of the astrophysics department, we have had a number of discussions of the years examining everything from the Mongols influence on breadmaking to magnetic cycling not impacting negative force structure in proton atoms, fascinating stuff really, all supposition, but engaging none the less. But, back to the point; Earth's Magnetic poles.
Professor Kolinski was not intrigued by the movement of the poles, in fact, he was a bit annoyed, pointing out the long research he’d undertaken in Warsaw exampling the poles rightful place within the borders of Poland and not at the ends of the earth, where according to Professor Kolinski nature wanders, he questioned the presumption, held by the flat earth theorist that what goes around must come around, as evidence that the wandering Poles were in fact, traveling Poles, were journeying back to their origin, where the poles are the rightful guarding's of the Poles.
Here's another article on poles shifting. This guy has a real track record of predictions and an interesting background.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/magnetic-poles-are-moving-rapidly-as-never-before-precursor-to-a-pole-shift/
In another thread, JJ mentioned that it's important not to confuse Butter Bars with map information. Now that's been funny all my adult life, but why is that true? I did a Google search on something today and, as usual, wandered off whatever I was actually searching for (no I wasn't an officer) and ended up reading Lt. Calley's military history. His troops complained that he was deficient in compass/map skills. Why is that? Did OCS, in his case, ROTC, or West Point not teach them LANDNAV?
One thing about the poles shifting: They have to renumber airport runways when the move half a degree.
In another thread, JJ mentioned that it's important not to confuse Butter Bars with map information. Now that's been funny all my adult life, but why is that true? I did a Google search on something today and, as usual, wandered off whatever I was actually searching for (no I wasn't an officer) and ended up reading Lt. Calley's military history. His troops complained that he was deficient in compass/map skills. Why is that? Did OCS, in his case, ROTC, or West Point not teach them LANDNAV?
One thing about the poles shifting: They have to renumber airport runways when the move half a degree.
I also have theorized this anomaly, And I think it's a miss-think.
Land Nav is a skill and not all "have it" nor can they be trained. This is true for butter bars and PFC's. There is a universal ratio of "have it" to "have nots", across the whole of mankind (and womankind). It's not rank sensitive, or any other filter one applies to a general population..
The butter-bar get the brunt of the jokes because they are tasked with leadership (land nav), while the PFC is not.
I was one of the "have it". I was taught by my older family members to hunt the upper NY Adirondacks as a child and land nav was a must have or get lost asset.
I also have/had an inherent affinity for spatial geometry. EG: I can land nav in the dark because I can "feel the earth"(whatever) and have good night vision. Which earned me the nickname "Scout Hog" in OCS.
Maybe Land Nav should be a pass/fail for officers basic infantry, armour and artillery course?
Or in today parlance, issue butter bars a WII GPS, a lifetime supply of batteries, and a PFC to operate said WII :]
:munchin
I also have/had an inherent affinity for spatial geometry. EG: I can land nav in the dark because I can "feel the earth"(whatever) and have good night vision.
Me too. But, oddly, occasionally I'll be in a place where it goes haywire for some reason. My hometown in OK for example. I've never understood that. In AIT during night land nav, the only point I missed was the one that was 10 paces past the scorer's table. :o
Badger52
01-13-2019, 15:54
Me too. But, oddly, occasionally I'll be in a place where it goes haywire for some reason. My hometown in OK for example. I've never understood that.Interesting; there have been a few places I've been where my internal nav systems go haywire as well. I always put it down to iron ore deposits, lol, slapped myself & carried on; but, yeah, it's weird when it happens. (Maybe I should put it down to Russians instead...?)
If the poles shift too much...
...how are the dancers gonna find ‘em?
Ret10Echo
01-13-2019, 18:46
If the poles shift too much...
...how are the dancers gonna find ‘em?
Muscle memory
Muscle memory
Duh, momentary brain fart on my part, of course.
Oh man, the title pulled me in and I thought you were speaking of this: :)
https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-report-trump-helped-putin-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541?amp=1
tom kelly
01-14-2019, 15:14
More BS from the "Progressive" liberal left. Keep your eye on the ball. Disregard the MSM as they are the propaganda disseminators for the radical left.
Well, Flat Earther's once said" we have followers all around the globe".
bblhead672
01-15-2019, 08:33
Mueller observed yesterday at Costco interrogating latest Russian suspected of Trump ties....
Ret10Echo
01-15-2019, 22:00
Well, Flat Earther's once said" we have followers all around the globe".
Now that's funny right there.....
Ret10Echo
01-18-2019, 07:22
This is fairly interesting:
Irregular changes in the Earth’s core field limit the lifetime of any predictive model such as the WMM. For this reason a revision (WMM2015) was released in December 2014, valid until 2020. In September 2018 version 2 of WMM2015 (WMM2015v2 valid 2015.0-2020.0) was released after feedback from users to the announcement in March 2018 that WMM2015 had become inaccurate in the Arctic region and was not meeting its accuracy requirements. These models were produced by BGS jointly with the US National Centres for Environmental Data (NCEI), with funding from the Defence Geographic Centre in the UK and the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
World Magnetic Model (WMM) (http://geomag.bgs.ac.uk/research/modelling/WorldMagneticModel.html)
Badger52
01-18-2019, 13:10
"Atmospherics sir, atmospherics." That's my exc... story and I'm stickin' to it.
:munchin
I ran across a Sam Harris podcast recently where his guest, Renee Diresta dug into the Russian collusion from a technical perspective. Link to her web site. (http://www.reneediresta.com/)
I was listening while doing other things so I likely missed pieces, but she presented evidence she found of feeling/behavior modification through social media by foreign actors. One of the examples she used was of an organisation that would post test threads on social media, then monitor audience response. They would cycle this post/analyze/revamp/re-post for maximum effect, gaining them a top level/popular post/thread/meme, etc... They know from doing this what approaches work best to get content into your newsfeed.
Here (https://samharris.org/podcasts/145-information-war/) is a link to that podcast if you would like to listen.
I also listened to most of his podcast with Jaron Lanier who was very blunt that giant tech companies are absolutely manipulating the less discerning of their audiences using behavior modification. I've heard many times that when it comes to the internet, if its free, you are the product. He is quite adamant that this is wrong, it is not you that are the product, its the information about you that can be used to steer you into doing something you did not intend that is the product. I'll say up front that he sounds like a self entitled limp wrist-ed lithpy liberal, but the technical aspects of his statements are worth considering.
Here (https://samharris.org/podcasts/136-digital-humanism/) is that podcast.
I've completely lost faith in every news source available currently. The witch hunt this weekend over the Catholic school boys vs the Indian vs the Israelite muslims(?) at the Lincoln Memorial drove the final nail in that coffin for me. No wonder the masses are teaming and frothing at the mouth, they are unknowingly being driven by their confirmation bias to a place beyond reason and discourse.
Is there a way out of this cycle? Will we ever be a country united or will we always be a set of tightly knit, isolated groups based on skin color or ideology.