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JJ_BPK
04-20-2018, 06:36
Posting for a friend..
:D

It looks like if you use religion, A beard is GTG??

The Bar has been set:


Observant Sikhs and conservative Muslim women are now able to wear religious head coverings, thanks to a directive issued Tuesday that updates the Army's grooming and appearance regulation.

Sikh soldiers also are allowed to maintain their beards, according to the update.

Soldiers will still have to submit their requests for brigade-level approval, but the move opens up service to people who otherwise would have had to abandon cherished religious practices to serve.

Since 2009, religious accommodation requests received by the Army have largely been from soldiers wanting to wear a hijab or a Sikh turban or patka with uncut beard and hair, according to the directive.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/05/new-army-policy-oks-soldiers-to-wear-hijabs-turbans-and-religious-beards/


SO, If you are of Norse lineage??
Don't be Loki...


SKEGG: THE NORSE PAGAN BEARD

Beards are seen as sacred and as a defining feature of the Æsir in ancient texts such as Konungsbók Eddukvæða(c link). In addition, beards are likewise traditionally associated with men and masculinity throughout Norse history, as highlighted in Íslendingasögur (Icelandic Sagas), including the very significant Njáls saga, but also Eyrbyggja saga as well as Færeyinga saga and Völsunga saga. Beards are further even historically protected by law under Jónsbók, Grágás and Guta Lag.

Overall, beards are an essential and fundamental defining features of any Norðmaðr, Víkingr, Heathen, and ultimately, warrior’s identity. The beard is the one characteristic of those who otherwise follow Forn Siðr (Old Ways). Beards are in fact the true expression of spirituality, masculinity, and what it means to be Heathen. Beards define the Heathen man.
KONUNGSBÓK EDDUKVÆÐA:

A distinct and defining feature of the Æsir (also known as the Norse gods) is their beard.

All Norse gods, but one, are described in traditional and sacred texts, as well as illustrated throughout Norse history, as sporting a beard: Baldur (Beauty), Bragi (Poetry, music, harp), Forseti (Justice), Heimdallr (Guardian of Ásgarðr), Hermóðr (Messenger of the Æsir), Höðr (Darkness, winter), Hœnir (Silence, Óðr), Meili (Son of Óðinn), Móði (Anger) and Magni (Strength), Óðinn (Ássinn), Óðr (Spirituality, poetry, passion, battle frenzy, and sexual ecstasy), Þórr (Battle, thunder, men), Týr (War, skies), Ullr (Archery), Váli (Revenge), Vé (Creation/wisdom), Villi (Creation/will), and Víðarr (Forest, revenge, silence).

A notable exception is Loki (Mischief, lies). Loki is the least favorite of all Æsir, and a Norse god typically associated with negative behavior as well as the dark side of humans. Loki is is known to have wrecked havoc among the Æsir, even being responsible for the death of some of them, including Baldur.

Loki is also known for having turned himself into a mare in order to be impregnated by the stallion Svaðilfari, eventually giving birth to Sleipnir, Óðinn’s 8-legged horse. An event greatly frown upon in a culture that emphasizes gender polarization and strongly stigmatizes feminization of men.

From any perspective therefore, Loki is the very opposite of what a man should strive to be. Loki also happens to be the only Norse god without a beard. Therefore emphasizing the association between beard and manly virtues in Norse culture.

Numerous references in Konungsbók Eddukvæða, the most sacred text in Norse culture and religion, actually reinforce the association between beards and masculinity as well as virtue.

In Atlakviða (The Lay of Atli) specifically, a direct association is made between beards and warriors, with stanza 34 stating “Long-bearded, bold, the warriors entered”. In stanza 11, another connection is made between beard and wisdom, reading “The wolf shall rule the Niflungs' heritage, O bearded sages”.

From an Æsir and traditional Norse god perspective, a beard is therefore always associated with masculinity and virtue, including moral strength, manliness, valor, excellence, and worth, while the absence of a beard expresses feminization as well as depravity and immorality.


https://norskk.com/norse-beard



link to copy of Konungsbók Eddukvæða (http://norskk.is/bytta/hirdmadr/eddur/Havamal.pdf)

Not sure if the attached letter is GTG??

BuckiBill
04-20-2018, 10:39
I see a huge increase in the number of Norse Pagans in the near future.

JJ_BPK
04-20-2018, 14:51
“Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard” — Leviticus 19:27.

To cut off another man's beard, according to Samuel (10:4) is an outrage.

Bearded Gospel Men, a blog for Christian men with big beards
http://beardedgospelmen.com/

Anabaptist Beard: The Amish consider the beard a sign of manhood. Only adult, married men wear beards (while shunning wedding rings). “They indicate respect for tradition, refusal to recognize changing fashions, and in general nonconformity to the world, all of which do have spiritual significance in the Amish world view,” scholar Steven D. Reschly told The New York Times. So when a breakaway sect of Amish in Ohio cut the beards of other Amish they disagreed with, they were charged with hate crimes.




There are choices.. :munchin

sfshooter
04-20-2018, 17:26
I am guessing they get to pass the block in NBC training without participation?:p

doctom54
04-20-2018, 17:55
I remember when Admiral Zumwalt in one of his famous “Z grams” authorized beards in the USN and beer dispensers in the barracks.
With the “Volunteer Army” we got a little rug and beer machines in the barracks but no beards.

PRB
04-20-2018, 18:01
I remember when Admiral Zumwalt in one of his famous “Z grams” authorized beards in the USN and beer dispensers in the barracks.
With the “Volunteer Army” we got a little rug and beer machines in the barracks but no beards.

Lol...I remember the VOLAR beer machines in the barracks....I think it was 25 cents a beer but could be wrong. I also think it was the 3.2 variety.

I also remember the Coca Cola dispenser that was put in the Mess Hall....the CSM stood by it the first day daring anyone to use it...no one did.

I get his point of view....some shit shouldn't happen.

This was in the day when officers did not eat in the Mess hall generally, NCO's did so in a screened section and there were DRO's.....

Remington Raidr
04-20-2018, 18:12
I remember when I went to A school at NAS Meridian and the vending machines were all beer. I thought I really enlisted in the wrong branch!:)

Golf1echo
04-23-2018, 13:46
Posting for a friend..
:D

It looks like if you use religion, A beard is GTG??

The Bar has been set:



SO, If you are of Norse lineage??
Don't be Loki...



link to copy of Konungsbók Eddukvæða (http://norskk.is/bytta/hirdmadr/eddur/Havamal.pdf)

Not sure if the attached letter is GTG??

Those are some good Sagas, reading them would illustrate the same stories have been borrowed over and over again through out time...perhaps they borrowed some of their elements? Snuri Struluson' "The Prose Edda" is a good companion book as it translates the context behind some of the phrases and events. Loki is synonymous with trickery, deception, and devilry... Qualities not admired by the Norse. I have never seen him illustrated with a real beard.

JJ_BPK
04-26-2018, 05:18
Army Times?? :lifter



Army Times:

Your Army: A soldier just got authorization to wear a beard because of his Norse pagan faith, By: Meghann Myers   14 hours ago



When the Army authorized beards for religious soldiers in early 2017, the move was a response to years of requests — and a lawsuit — from Sikh soldiers seeking to both serve and adhere to the tenets of their faith.

But the directive, technically, applied to all religions.

And that includes Norse pagans, also known as heathens, according to an undated memo from the 14th Military Police Brigade at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

“I grant your accommodation, subject to the standards and limitations described below,” commander Col. Curtis Shroeder wrote to a 795th Military Police Battalion soldier, whose name is redacted from a copy of the memo circulating on Facebook.

“In observance of your Heathen; Norse Pagan faith, you may wear a beard, in accordance with Army uniform and grooming standards for soldiers with approved religious accommodations.”


https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/04/25/this-soldier-just-got-authorization-to-wear-a-beard-because-of-his-norse-pagan-faith/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

rainstorm26
04-26-2018, 06:42
Army Times?? :lifter

Somebody here must have taken the suggestion to heart. He better braid that thing like a true Norseman.

Team Sergeant
04-26-2018, 11:18
Laugh it up, you non-believers.

And what is today?

Thor'sday, (Thursday)

Google it.

You "believe" in your myths and I'll believe in mine. Now I've got a beard to trim.



:munchin

PRB
04-26-2018, 16:56
A US soldier who worships the Norse thunder god Thor just got permission to keep his beard

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-soldier-who-worships-norse-god-thor-permitted-to-keep-beard-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T


Yup, start making concessions based upon non military requirements and this is the freakin stupid result....

The senior Officers that approve this shit should be shot.....dead dog dead.

Joker
04-26-2018, 17:57
A US soldier who worships the Norse thunder god Thor just got permission to keep his beard

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-soldier-who-worships-norse-god-thor-permitted-to-keep-beard-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T


Yup, start making concessions based upon non military requirements and this is the freakin stupid result....

The senior Officers that approve this shit should be shot.....dead dog dead.

Spoken just like an old school CSM. :lifter

Yes, CSM, I know you are a CSM.

PRB
04-26-2018, 19:28
Spoken just like an old school CSM. :lifter

Yes, CSM, I know you are a CSM.

Tricare for life allows frontal lobotomy touch ups on demand....just got tuned up ...

Team Sergeant
04-26-2018, 20:27
A US soldier who worships the Norse thunder god Thor just got permission to keep his beard

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-soldier-who-worships-norse-god-thor-permitted-to-keep-beard-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T


Yup, start making concessions based upon non military requirements and this is the freakin stupid result....

The senior Officers that approve this shit should be shot.....dead dog dead.



And this is different how? jewish gods are more powerful? :munchin


https://www.army.mil/article/42219/rare_army_rabbi_serves_soldiers


The "stupid" has been around a long long time. You're just pissed because your belief doesn't sport a cool beard............;)

PRB
04-26-2018, 21:16
None of this should be allowed...nada....that's the point...

RichL025
04-26-2018, 23:00
And this is different how? jewish gods are more powerful? :munchin


https://www.army.mil/article/42219/rare_army_rabbi_serves_soldiers


The "stupid" has been around a long long time. You're just pissed because your belief doesn't sport a cool beard............;)

Ha ha ha, classic!

TS is quite correct, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If observant Sikhs get to keep their beards, then damn sure observant pagans should as well...

However, I agree with PRB's underlying point - the military is NOT a social experiment nor is there a universal "right" for anyone to serve. While I respect the shit out of the Sikh's, if their religious beliefs require them to keep the beard, the answer should be "find some other way to serve your country, thank you".

Wearing a beard either interferes with your ability to wear protective equipment, or it doesn't. If it does, see my preceding paragraph. If it doesn't, then dammit, I want to grow my damn beard back!!!!! (without renouncing my current religious faith <g>)


BTW, I LOVE that pic of the rabbi on the previous page. Do you see the guys in the background of the pic, looking at him like "WTF?????"

bblhead672
04-27-2018, 07:40
However, I agree with PRB's underlying point - the military is NOT a social experiment nor is there a universal "right" for anyone to serve. While I respect the shit out of the Sikh's, if their religious beliefs require them to keep the beard, the answer should be "find some other way to serve your country, thank you".

Wearing a beard either interferes with your ability to wear protective equipment, or it doesn't. If it does, see my preceding paragraph. If it doesn't, then dammit, I want to grow my damn beard back!!!!! (without renouncing my current religious faith <g>)


Bingo! Exactly right. All the social experimenting/accommodating the military has engaged in the last dozen or so years is going to get a lot of people killed. Reminds me of the state of unpreparedness the US military was to actually fight WW2. Lots of soldiers, sailors and airmen died because of the folly of that generation's flag and senior officers.
The first order of business in restoring the military to greatness isn't buying new equipment from rifles to aircraft carriers to new fighters and bombers. The first thing that needs to be done is restoring order and discipline, along with the understanding that joining the military of the United States means you are putting aside YOUR personal beliefs and feelings for the greater good of the service.
We need warriors, the kind motivated and trained to break and kill the enemy, not social justice warriors and not mentally challenged deviants who can't figure out if they are a man or a woman.

Team Sergeant
04-27-2018, 14:17
The military has been a social experiment ever since it took up arms and marched. That ain't going to end anytime soon. Especially when you have generals and admirals that place themselves before their soldiers.

I can't wait for the first "Rat Worshipers" in the American military........ or the first Sky Burial performed at the local military cemetery.

Personally I really like the nekid witchcraft myself. Can't wait to see "Covens" open to military witches.




Inside India's rat temple where 20,000 of them are worshipped, fed and protected as they scurry between the feet of tourists

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566748/Inside-Indias-rat-temple-20-000-worshipped-fed-protected-scurry-feet-tourists.html


http://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/sky-burial-tibet-s-ancient-tradition-honoring-dead-007016

PRB
04-27-2018, 15:01
The military has been a social experiment ever since it took up arms and marched. That ain't going to end anytime soon. Especially when you have generals and admirals that place themselves before their soldiers.

I can't wait for the first "Rat Worshipers" in the American military........ or the first Sky Burial performed at the local military cemetery.

Personally I really like the nekid witchcraft myself. Can't wait to see "Covens" open to military witches.




Inside India's rat temple where 20,000 of them are worshipped, fed and protected as they scurry between the feet of tourists

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566748/Inside-Indias-rat-temple-20-000-worshipped-fed-protected-scurry-feet-tourists.html


http://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/sky-burial-tibet-s-ancient-tradition-honoring-dead-007016

Sounds like the DNC

Pete
04-27-2018, 15:57
Just wait until The Church of Body Modification members get the memo. Then it's anything goes.