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‘The time for reconciliation is over’: South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc
"SOUTH Africa’s parliament has voted in favour of a motion that will begin the process of amending the country’s Constitution to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without compensation.
The motion was brought by Julius Malema, leader of the radical Marxist opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters, and passed overwhelmingly by 241 votes to 83 against. The only parties who did not support the motion were the Democratic Alliance, Freedom Front Plus, Cope and the African Christian Democratic Party.
It was amended but supported by the ruling African National Congress and new president Cyril Ramaphosa, who made land expropriation a key pillar of his policy platform after taking over from ousted PM Jacob Zuma earlier this month.
“The time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice,” Mr Malema was quoted by News24 as telling parliament. “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”..."
And awaaaay we go. Here we come Zimbabwe.........
Guymullins
02-28-2018, 05:42
This may be the declaration of the Third Boer War.
I thought the bush people "owned" South Africa, followed by the Dutch/Germans and then the Bantu peoples moving south.
TrapperFrank
02-28-2018, 10:31
I predicted this was going to happen when apartheid ended. Africans are incapable of running Africa. The same thing happened in Rhodesia. In time, South Africa will morph into some version of what Rhodesia became.
Streck-Fu
02-28-2018, 10:39
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Badger52
02-28-2018, 17:17
And awaaaay we go. Here we come Zimbabwe.........Egg-zackery. Thanks Pete for the link.
Well, it's too chilly outside for this FOG to throw one back around the campfire, so I'll just fill the DOL mug, glance at my Ruark collection on the bookshelf & toss Wild Geese into the DVD player. Away we go indeed.
Scimitar
02-28-2018, 17:21
This may be the declaration of the Third Boer War.
Guy, perhaps you could give us a run down as someone on the ground.
What is the likely outcomes here, both specifically and from a broader point of view.
S
Guy, perhaps you could give us a run down as someone on the ground.
What is the likely outcomes here, both specifically and from a broader point of view.
S
C’mon Scimitar, brush up on your Afrikaans!..and Guy ain’t that old! ;)
Scimitar
02-28-2018, 17:41
C’mon Scimitar, brush up on your Afrikaans!..and Guy ain’t that old! ;)
LOL, I didn't realize I had quoted him there.
I was referring to the situation in general, not the history of British aggression. ;)
S
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5443599/White-South-African-farmers-removed-land.html#ixzz58VXEVgp7
"Mr Malema said the time for 'reconciliation is over'. 'Now is the time for justice,' News24 reported.
'We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land."
"Mr Malema has a long-standing commitment to land confiscation without compensation. In 2016 he told his supporters he was 'not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'."
I can see this will turn this country to crap very quickly. How to turn 1000 acres of productive land to 1 acre of arid land.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5443599/White-South-African-farmers-removed-land.html#ixzz58VXEVgp7
"Mr Malema said the time for 'reconciliation is over'. 'Now is the time for justice,' News24 reported.
'We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land."
"Mr Malema has a long-standing commitment to land confiscation without compensation. In 2016 he told his supporters he was 'not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'."
I can see this will turn this country to crap very quickly. How to turn 1000 acres of productive land to 1 acre of arid land.
They are running out of water so sit back and watch.
This may be the declaration of the Third Boer War.
Got a plan, Mike?
Guymullins
03-03-2018, 09:42
There is no need to go into what happens when an African government seizes land. All ex-colonies(apart from Botswana and Namibia) had this happen and they all collapsed into ruin.
This is in fact not only about land, but it is all property. That means land, shares, companies everything is liable to nationalisation.
It is also not only the whites who will be subject to this Constitutional Amendment but everyone. Of course, the whites are the primary target, but the die-hard Communists who still hold sway in the ANC have always had this as their aim and now the opportunity seems ripe for them.
For many years now, farms have been raided on a daily basis and white farmers and their whole families have been raped, tortured and murdered in horrible ways. Often nothing is stolen but a vehicle for getaway purposes and firearms.
There has been almost no publicity of this because the media that isn't government owned is filled with left-wing writers and editors who are as anti-white as the ANC.
White South Africans have until now, found it impossible to really fight back, mainly because they had been branded as Apartheid criminals and there was no sympathy from the rest of the world.
The feeling is that this antipathy to whites by western nations is slowly draining away. This is for two reasons.
Firstly, for the first time, they are experiencing what it is like to live with radically different cultures as they try to cope with their own refugee influx.
Secondly, many western nations are finding that Apartheid type living is the only way to co-exist in a single state with such differing cultures.
Returning to the present problem: The white man is being forced into a corner and the government knows that a vigorous backlash can be expected. The numbers are not good as far as hostilities are concerned. The whites are a tiny 8% of the population. However, the statistics from the 30-year bush war show that the casualty rate of about 110:1 of a white civilian force against black professional armies is by no means a hindrance.
Not too long ago, when the British also wanted to seize all the land for the Empire, a tiny handful of Boers eventually rose up and gave the greatest Empire the world had ever known a long and costly war. The Boers only finally being defeated when all their families were confined to concentration camps where the wives and kids died like flies from disease and malnutrition.
This was the Second Boer War and the British knew that, as soon as the Boers had recovered, there would be a Third War so they shortly afterwards gave the Boers the self-determination they asked for in a Union with the British Empire.
The present Black government are vaguely aware of this history and know that the best way to deal with the whites is a death by a thousand cuts.
Whites have accepted Black Economic Empowerment laws that have made it almost impossible for young whites to get employment. White companies have had to give away large parts of their companies to Blacks who have no clue as to how to run them.
White reaction to this is to start their own companies and somehow do quite well by keeping things small and profitable.
So this is the environment that this latest assault is launched. If it isn't watered down to ineffectuality and passes in its proposed form, it may well be the last straw for whites. Most whites have nowhere to go. Those with foreign passports have left long ago and those remaining are the real die-hards.
Personally, both my wife and I have British citizenship and could have left long ago but our sons could not get British passports. We are here for the duration.
Watch this space, things could become exciting.
Guymullins
03-03-2018, 09:43
Got a plan, Mike?
Of course. I may be African, but I am not entirely brain dead.
sfshooter
03-03-2018, 13:36
Hold strong down there. I worked with and became good friends with some of your countrymen while in Iraq. Extremely professional! I expect they will be in the mix with you if it comes down to it.
There is some coverage in the States but one seriously has search for it.
Wors in die hondestal soek.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/the_coming_controversy_over_admitting_white_refuge es_from_south_africa.html
mojaveman
03-03-2018, 15:21
I expect they will be in the mix with you if it comes down to it.
Yes.
Every South African I have met and have been friends with are well armed. This isn't going to go down easy. ;)
http://www.newsweek.com/thousands-sign-petition-asking-trump-allow-white-people-south-africa-migrate-826126
Scimitar
03-03-2018, 18:05
There is no need to go into what happens when an African government seizes land. All ex-colonies(apart from Botswana and Namibia) had this happen and they all collapsed into ruin.
This is in fact not only about land, but it is all property. That means land, shares, companies everything is liable to nationalisation.
It is also not only the whites who will be subject to this Constitutional Amendment but everyone. Of course, the whites are the primary target, but the die-hard Communists who still hold sway in the ANC have always had this as their aim and now the opportunity seems ripe for them.
For many years now, farms have been raided on a daily basis and white farmers and their whole families have been raped, tortured and murdered in horrible ways. Often nothing is stolen but a vehicle for getaway purposes and firearms.
There has been almost no publicity of this because the media that isn't government owned is filled with left-wing writers and editors who are as anti-white as the ANC.
White South Africans have until now, found it impossible to really fight back, mainly because they had been branded as Apartheid criminals and there was no sympathy from the rest of the world.
The feeling is that this antipathy to whites by western nations is slowly draining away. This is for two reasons.
Firstly, for the first time, they are experiencing what it is like to live with radically different cultures as they try to cope with their own refugee influx.
Secondly, many western nations are finding that Apartheid type living is the only way to co-exist in a single state with such differing cultures.
Returning to the present problem: The white man is being forced into a corner and the government knows that a vigorous backlash can be expected. The numbers are not good as far as hostilities are concerned. The whites are a tiny 8% of the population. However, the statistics from the 30-year bush war show that the casualty rate of about 110:1 of a white civilian force against black professional armies is by no means a hindrance.
Not too long ago, when the British also wanted to seize all the land for the Empire, a tiny handful of Boers eventually rose up and gave the greatest Empire the world had ever known a long and costly war. The Boers only finally being defeated when all their families were confined to concentration camps where the wives and kids died like flies from disease and malnutrition.
This was the Second Boer War and the British knew that, as soon as the Boers had recovered, there would be a Third War so they shortly afterwards gave the Boers the self-determination they asked for in a Union with the British Empire.
The present Black government are vaguely aware of this history and know that the best way to deal with the whites is a death by a thousand cuts.
Whites have accepted Black Economic Empowerment laws that have made it almost impossible for young whites to get employment. White companies have had to give away large parts of their companies to Blacks who have no clue as to how to run them.
White reaction to this is to start their own companies and somehow do quite well by keeping things small and profitable.
So this is the environment that this latest assault is launched. If it isn't watered down to ineffectuality and passes in its proposed form, it may well be the last straw for whites. Most whites have nowhere to go. Those with foreign passports have left long ago and those remaining are the real die-hards.
Personally, both my wife and I have British citizenship and could have left long ago but our sons could not get British passports. We are here for the duration.
Watch this space, things could become exciting.
Thanks for the sitrep Guy
S
Of course. I may be African, but I am not entirely brain dead.
That's some funny sh...
I would say you've kept your sense of humor but they will find a away to take that too.
Be safe.
Guymullins
03-06-2018, 02:27
One of our Para Vets was attacked on his farm by four black male assailants at 2am three days ago. Robbie killed one with its own gun, broke the neck of another. The remaining two fled the scene.
Not bad for an old man! :lifter
Give him our best.
“Go After the White Man… We Are Cutting the Throat of Whiteness”
Looks like some folks listened and went after Guy's Friend
Racist South African Political Leader Julius Malema: “Go After the White Man… We Are Cutting the Throat of Whiteness”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/racist-south-african-political-leader-julius-malema-go-white-man-cutting-throat-whiteness/
^^^Operation Wrath of God...:munchin
^^^Operation Wrath of God...:munchin
Stay safe
Prayers out
bblhead672
03-06-2018, 10:39
Other than the obvious reasons, why aren't leaders worldwide condemning this hate speech?
If this is allowed to proceed without intervention by civilized people, it won't be long before the barely restrained black nationalists in the United States take up the same cry.
Other than the obvious reasons, why aren't leaders worldwide condemning this hate speech?
If this is allowed to proceed without intervention by civilized people, it won't be long before the barely restrained black nationalists in the United States take up the same cry.
DO NOT! Compare "South African (SA)" blacks to "American" blacks; they're NOT synonymous.:cool::p
Team Sergeant
03-06-2018, 11:13
DO NOT! Compare "South African (SA)" blacks to "American" blacks; they're NOT synonymous.:cool::p
Excuse me??????? ;)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/maxine-waters-promises-reparations-for-black-americans/
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.
Excuse me??????? ;)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/maxine-waters-promises-reparations-for-black-americans/
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.
Easy for her to say, she lives in Hancock Park (where the mayor's mansion is) about 20 miles from her district.
rsdengler
03-06-2018, 11:44
Excuse me??????? ;)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/maxine-waters-promises-reparations-for-black-americans/
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.
Maxine Waters is a Stupid Racist Cow...Oh...and why does she look like she's wearing James Brown's Wig?:D
RomanCandle
03-07-2018, 14:01
South African born and bred. Irish citizenship/ passport - won't be making use of it.
Who knows, something might just happen.
Wow, thanks (I guess, not good), for the knowledge of the happenings.
As mentions earlier...water, septic/sewer, disabled, leave them nothing.
How about the 'ol "scorched Earth" policy??
I think we've had no news here is ...well, because of you know, not the agenda...BLM and such. Africans are the "down trodden" people...
If the world only knew... damn
I pray your family members fair well...
Guy,
I have some SA's telling me this is all overblown and not representative of the real SA today....putting a happy face on it.
This is on a website I hang out on...Porsche Pelican in Politics and Religion.....its not like what one hears in the news etc....
I posted your comment without your name and some of your other stuff....
Whistling past the grave I suspect.
Guymullins
03-08-2018, 01:12
Guy,
I have some SA's telling me this is all overblown and not representative of the real SA today....putting a happy face on it.
This is on a website I hang out on...Porsche Pelican in Politics and Religion.....its not like what one hears in the news etc....
I posted your comment without your name and some of your other stuff....
Whistling past the grave I suspect.
PRB, If the US government made it their policy to take all property without compensation, you would maybe have a big portion of liberals telling everyone not to panic. The rest of the country would be reaching for their rifles I imagine. In SA there are those who will go to any lengths to appease the crocodile in the vain hope that they will be eaten last.
tom kelly
03-08-2018, 03:22
WHAT DOES THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE REALLY KNOW ABOUT M. WATERS? 1. Her Education,GPA (if she attended a University& Was Graduated) 2..EXPERIENCE, as a Legislator & other jobs aside from congress? 3. Voting Record in Congress + Her attendance record.? 4. Her lifestyle compared to her salary.? 5. Her accomplishments as a legislator.? The main stream media will not report any of this information? LET'S FIND OUT about M.Waters Tom Kelly
Badger52
03-08-2018, 05:28
PRB, If the US government made it their policy to take all property without compensation, you would maybe have a big portion of liberals telling everyone not to panic. The rest of the country would be reaching for their rifles I imagine. In SA there are those who will go to any lengths to appease the crocodile in the vain hope that they will be eaten last.Well said; I can absolutely see that playing out in a number of spots in the world and the commie politicians, via the media, telling everyone "keep calm, all is well" - in one language or another.
Excuse me??????? ;)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/maxine-waters-promises-reparations-for-black-americans/
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.
If there are going to be reparations they will have to exceed $1000.00, the dems have told us that amount this just crumbs.
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.
Between Nancy & Maxine they have +150 years of "stealing" America's oxygen...
...I have some SA's telling me this is all overblown and not representative of the real SA today....putting a happy face on it...
And so it begins...
South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms
Just two farms right now but it's a start.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b
"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).
“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.
Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."
And so it begins...
South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms
Just two farms right now but it's a start.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b
"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).
“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.
Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."
Shit-hole-ification continues...maybe SA leaders are consulting with Venezuelan leaders...and our Progressives...
And so it begins...
South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms
Just two farms right now but it's a start.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b
"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).
“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.
Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."
Lets see how much News play this gets here...
I will wager none...
bblhead672
08-20-2018, 14:53
South Africa Goes Zimbabwe (https://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/08/south-africa-goes-zimbabwe.html)
Zimbabwe had already made great strides in improving agriculture through land seizures.
Land was stolen from the farmers who knew how to work it and handed out to politically connected thugs. Soon the former "bread basket" of Southern Africa was starving. Black groups pleaded with the white farmers to remain. Rural Zimbabwe died. Hyperinflation made the currency worthless. A trillion dollars might not be enough to buy one egg. A former food exporter was forced to rely on food aid.
South Africa Goes Zimbabwe (https://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/08/south-africa-goes-zimbabwe.html)
More from the article cut and pasted below...GD Commies...communism wrecks everything it touches...paying attention Bernie supporters?
“Like Zimbabwe, South Africa is due to revisit the same implacable economic consequences of land seizures that took the Soviet Union down the road to famine and terror. Toward its end, the USSR, despite possessing territories that had once bulged with rich harvests, had gone deep into debt to buy food from the United States. The African National Congress’ Communist roots are taking South Africa down the same path as its fallen Communist masters. And with the same miserable results.
Comrade Ramaphosa, as Comrade Mandela liked to call him, is less of a strongman, than a weak man. More afraid of thugs like Julius Malema and the greed of his ANC comrades than of dooming his people to hunger. The ANC is populated with thugs who are impatiently waiting to loot South Africa’s corpse. And they’ve grown tired of pretending that they are anything more than a failed state’s Marxist mob.”
Team Sergeant
08-21-2018, 09:20
Personally, I don’t give a crap what goes on in South Africa, it’s extremely corrupt, communist and is “ruled” by highly unintelligent people.
That said, America will be involved soon enough attempting to feed the very individuals that are now confiscating “white owned” farms. It does not take a genius to make the leap that when the extremely corrupt South African government does in fact seize the farms, the very farms that feed 80% of the people in that country, some in that government (and their left-wing elite “friends”) will become very rich land owners and the country will starve.
This slow-moving train wreck will make the socialist/communist dictatorship of Venezuela look like a Disney movie.
South Africa will soon become “Somalia 2.0”.
And when your “children” are fighting & dying in south africa while attempting to feed the millions of starving people, you can thank the left-wing “elite”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6078157/White-farmers-try-offload-land-South-Africa-seized.html
White farmers try to offload land in South Africa before it is seized from them 'as government tries to grab first two hunting reserves without paying'
Union bosses in South Africa say record number of farms are up for sale
But nobody is willing to buy the land amid fears the government will seize it
There are fears investment will fall leading to job losses that may rob South Africa of the ability to feed itself
Game reserve owners say they are the first to be targeted for seizure after talks with government to buy land at a tenth of its value broke down
By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline
Published: 05:28 EDT, 20 August 2018 | Updated: 13:42 EDT, 20 August 2018
White farmers in South Africa are trying to flog their land as fears grow that the government is about to start a widespread campaign of seizures.
Union bosses say a record number of properties are for sale but nobody is buying, making the properties effectively worthless.
Agri SA union, which represents mainly white commercial farmers, has warned that such seizures will deter investment, cause job losses, and may rob South Africa of the ability to feed itself.
Meanwhile two farms in the north of the country have reportedly become the first targets for seizures after talks between the government and owners about buying the land broke down.
Akkerland Boerdery, the owners of two game reserves in Limpopo, told City Press that the government asked to buy their land but was only willing to offer a tenth of the price.
When the offer was refused, ministers allegedly sent a letter which said: 'Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm's keys to the state.'
AgriSA union spokeswoman Annelize Crosby told the paper: 'What makes the Akkerland case unique is that they apparently were not given the opportunity to first dispute the claim in court, as the law requires.'
If the land is seized it will be the first time that the South African government has refused to pay market value for land.
Since the end of apartheid in 1994, the ANC has followed a 'willing seller, willing buyer' process to redistribute white-owned farms to blacks.
But according to a government audit last year, 72 per cent of farmland in South Africa is still owned by whites, despite them making up 9 per cent of the population.
That statistic prompted Cyril Ramaphosa, South Africa's president who succeeded Jacob Zuma last year, to commit to a program of land expropriation.
His ANC party has promised to 'test out' section 25 of the constitution, which allows the government to seize land to re-balance past 'racially discriminatory laws'.
The constitution makes it clear that reasonable compensation must be offered to the owner of the land, but the ANC is now planning a number of test cases to see if land can be seized without money changing hands if it is 'in the public interest'.
A program of land seizures in nearby Zimbabwe in the 1990s sent the country into an economic spiral from which it has never fully recovered.
Reports earlier this month suggested ministers have already drawn up a list of 139 South African farms to be targeted, though the government denies the existence of any such list.
Omri van Zyl, head of the Agri SA union, which represents mainly white commercial farmers, told The Express: 'The mood among our members is very solemn.
'They are confused about the lack of any apparent strategy from the government and many are panicking.
'So many farms are up for sale, more than we've ever had, but no one is buying.'
ANC chairman Gwede Mantashe sparked more panic last week when he suggested that anyone owning more than 25,000 acres would be targeted.
Agri SA said about 20 per cent of South Africa's farms produce 80 per cent of the food, and many of those properties would be affected by the cap.
There are fears that the release of the list of 139 farms to be seized has already made the land worthless.
Cattle farmer Jo-an Engelbrecht told the ABC's Foreign Correspondent his farm just outside Johannesburg was now 'worth zero'.
'We had several auctions in the last two or three weeks cancelled because there was no people interested in buying the land,' he said.
'Why would you buy a farm to know the government's going to take it?'
PedOncoDoc
08-21-2018, 09:40
If I knew my land was about to be seized, I would seriously consider destroying the land to make it non-arable as a big "FU" to the thieves taking it under the guise of government.
Guymullins
08-23-2018, 09:34
If I knew my land was about to be seized, I would seriously consider destroying the land to make it non-arable as a big "FU" to the thieves taking it under the guise of government.
There is no need for destroying the farms before expropriation. The new owners will do that in days, just as they have on 90% of land given to them in the restitution programme where the government has bought land and given it to claimants.
Animals are left unfed until they eat their pen-mates or simply die of thirst and malnutrition. This has happened on farms given to government cabinet ministers.
Imagine what the common or garden native will do with his new-found riches?
It's okay though, because CBS has an article rebutting the claims. People here were saying we'd hear nothing! Good thing CBS cleared the air, with their correspondent informing us this is simply not possible!!
It's okay though, because CBS has an article rebutting the claims. People here were saying we'd hear nothing! Good thing CBS cleared the air, with their correspondent informing us this is simply not possible!!
CNN is also reporting that expropriation is “simply not occurring” - https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/23/africa/trump-south-africa-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Of course, Obama stood side-by-side with the SA leader supporting the takeovers.
bblhead672
08-23-2018, 15:21
Communist Broadcasting System and Communist News Network says it ain't happening, it must not be happening! When have those stalwarts of journalism ever tried to deceive anyone? :munchin
Communist Broadcasting System and Communist News Network says it ain't happening, it must not be happening! When have those stalwarts of journalism ever tried to deceive anyone? :munchin
I heard a man named Simon discussing the situation with David Knight this morning. It is a very bad situation, that many on the left would like to replicate here in the states. You won't hear that on the MSM but you will hear it on the much maligned .........Infowars.
8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.
Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.
Peregrino
08-24-2018, 09:12
8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.
Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.
"WAS" being the operative word.
Guymullins
08-25-2018, 11:06
8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.
Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.
Remember, it was the rest of the world that forced White South Africa to give in to the known disaster of majority rule. The Communist countries aided and abetted the ANC and the West applied sanctions because it believed we were unfair to the powers of darkness.
The Communist countries have now largely disappeared and the West is experiencing the impossibility of living with the savages they allowed into their countries.
All civilised countries are beginning to see that some form of apartheid will be essential to their living peacefully alongside the savages.
This quickly changing climate may allow the civilized people of Sa to mount a counter attack without outside interference.
Although the odds are roughly 10:1 we know from a 23 year bush war, that this will not be an insurmountable problem.
To cut and run is not really our nature.
TrapperFrank
08-25-2018, 17:08
One thing that worries me about losing South Africa is the fact they have most of the diamonds and platinum in the world. Industrial grade diamonds are used on drilling apparatus in the petroleum industry and platinum is used to coat ball bearings.
Trapper:
I wouldn't worry. The Chinese will gladly sell us all the SA natural resources we want. Just at a huge mark up. :D
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tom kelly
08-28-2018, 14:48
Did SA have Nuclear Weapons at one time? what happened to them??? Tom Kelly
South Africa's nuclear weapons program was dismantled by the white government prior to losing control to the ANC.
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Guymullins
08-29-2018, 03:46
South Africa's nuclear weapons program was dismantled by the white government prior to losing control to the ANC.
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We had 8 bombs at the time they were dismantled. The white government made many big mistakes, but trusting the new mob with nuclear bombs was not one of them.
miclo18d
08-29-2018, 05:25
As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons
Authored by Jose Nino via GunPowderMagazine.com,
South Africa is opening the door for tyranny.
The Constitutional Court of South Africa recently ruled that 300,000 gun owners must turn in their firearms.
This judgement came in response to the North Gauteng High Court’s ruling in 2017 which said Section 24 and Section 28 of the Firearm’s Control Act were unconstitutional.
A report from The Citizen explains what Section 24 and Section 28 entail:
“Section 24 of the Act requires that any person who seeks to renew a licence must do so 90 days before its expiry date Section 28 stipulates that if a firearm licence has been cancelled‚ the firearm must be disposed of or forfeited to the state. A 60-day time frame was placed on its disposal, which was to be done through a dealer.”
Now that the High Court’s initial ruling has been overturned, gun owners who failed to renew their firearms licenses must hand in their firearms to the nearest police station, where authorities will then proceed to destroy them.
Many naïve political observers will paint this event as a casual gun control scheme, but any astute student of politics will recognize that the floodgates are now open for further encroachments – not only on the gun rights of South Africans, but also on others facets of theirs lives.
A look at South Africa’s current political climate will give us an idea of the potential ramifications of this gun control scheme.
Political Trouble Brewing in South Africa?
Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.
This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.
The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.
While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.
And how does gun control fit into this equation?
Gun Control: A Tool for Tyranny
No matter how socialist apologists rationalize it, the redistributionist agenda the South African government is pursuing will not be implemented passively. Ultimately, it must be carried out by force.
The kind of force socialists seek is a monopolized kind, which extreme forms of gun control like gun confiscation help facilitate.
The history of gun confiscation is one of repeated cases of tyranny.
From countries such as Cuba to the Soviet Union, aspiring demagogues have used gun confiscation to disarm the populace. Logically, an unarmed populace will put up little resistance against their tyrannical acts.
In South Africa’s case, farmers and their workers are already suffering ongoing attacks against their property. One could only imagine what it would be like for these persecuted farmers once they are stripped of their right to self-defense.
For many Americans who have enjoyed historically unprecedented gun rights, South Africa’s gun control experience may seem distant and strange.
But make no mistake about it, South Africa’s latest flirtation with gun control is not based on good intentions, especially when considering the political climate the country is enduring.
South Africa should serve as a fair warning to Americans of the dangerous consequences gun control poses.
If there is truth to this article, it’s going start going fast!
I know you see what’s going on Guy, I hope everyone else in SA does too!
Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
— Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung, Vol. II, pp. 224-225[3]
Badger52
08-29-2018, 06:24
If there is truth to this article, it’s going start going fast!There is mention in Lauren Southern's documentary "Farmlands" of people who don't already have firearms or a permit (and certainly wouldn't be able to get one now) acquiring paint-ball equipment with pepper balls as a defense mechanism. Forgetting the, at times, melodramatic narration moments, it might be worth a view (before the hosting service pulls it for being Wacissss).
https://www.xxxxxxx.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=a_bDc7FfItk
Guymullins
08-30-2018, 04:29
There is mention in Lauren Southern's documentary "Farmlands" of people who don't already have firearms or a permit (and certainly wouldn't be able to get one now) acquiring paint-ball equipment with pepper balls as a defense mechanism. Forgetting the, at times, melodramatic narration moments, it might be worth a view (before the hosting service pulls it for being Wacissss).
https://www.xxxxxxx.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=a_bDc7FfItk
Surprisingly, although the so-called government is trying their best to disarm the Whites, our constant challenges to their arbitrarily changing the law has resulted in a situation where it is very difficult for them to refuse a request for a gun license. The applicant has to jump through many hoops and obtain all sorts of qualifications and certificates, but once you do that you usually get what you apply for.
Furthermore, concealed carry is not a problem anywhere except in a few gun-free zones. These people who have had to surrender their firearms have been lax in renewing their licenses. Self-defence licenses are renewed every 5 years and sport or hunting weapons every ten years.
One simply has to remain awake and comply with all the red tape and you are OK.
Badger52
08-30-2018, 05:11
Surprisingly, although the so-called government is trying their best to disarm the Whites, our constant challenges to their arbitrarily changing the law has resulted in a situation where it is very difficult for them to refuse a request for a gun license. The applicant has to jump through many hoops and obtain all sorts of qualifications and certificates, but once you do that you usually get what you apply for.
Furthermore, concealed carry is not a problem anywhere except in a few gun-free zones. These people who have had to surrender their firearms have been lax in renewing their licenses. Self-defence licenses are renewed every 5 years and sport or hunting weapons every ten years.
One simply has to remain awake and comply with all the red tape and you are OK.Thank you for that. As often happens there are 2 sides and then, further still, 2 sides to each side of the tale.
Scimitar
10-17-2018, 06:53
Guy,
Looks like the King of the Zulu nation is the pragmatic type.
He's apparently backing the white farmers, as he doesn't want his people to starve.
I'm sure I speak for others here, that we'd value your on-the-ground read on this.
S
American Thinker Article (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/zulu_king_backs_south_african_white_farmers_agains t_land_seizures.html)
I suspect his real motivation is his Tribal land.... the 'King' owns it basically and allows others to use it I understand...the tribal members.
He probably fears losing land, it would be his power base....if they can take others property why not his?