Someone Killed in Connection to Trump Dossier ?? [Archive]

Trapper John

01-09-2018, 15:27

An attorney for the co-founder of opposition research firm Fusion GPS revealed during a closed-door interview this summer with congressional investigators that “somebody's already been killed” as a result of the publication of the anti-Trump dossier.

The statement was contained in a 312-page transcript of Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson's August interview with committee investigators, released unilaterally Tuesday by Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

The release itself provoked controversy, with an aide to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, calling it “confounding” for Feinstein to drop the transcript in the “middle of an ongoing investigation.”

Among the many revelations in the document, though, is the claim from Simpson's attorney that someone died because the dossier -- which was commissioned by Fusion GPS -- was publicly released.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5706205488001/fusion-gps-co-founder-fbi-had-source-inside-trump-campaign

Pete

01-09-2018, 15:31

Smoke - no fire - unless the person knew of HRC's involvement.

HardRoad

01-09-2018, 15:34

Smoke - no fire - unless the person knew of HRC's involvement.

Do we know if the deceased was any relation to Vince Foster?

Pete

01-09-2018, 15:38

Erovinkin?

Be hard to pin that one on Trump.

Trapper John

01-09-2018, 15:50

Two things I found most interesting in all of this (and there is a lot of shit here to sift through):

1. Why would Feinstein release the transcript of the closed door testimony? Could it then become inadmissible in a subsequent investigation? Hear-say? Fruit of the poisoned tree? Maybe one of the legal eagles can opine on that?

2. Apparently there is a "source" within the Trump campaign that corroborated some of the dossier content to the FBI. Frankly, I don't believe that for a minute and think it is far more likely that this "source" either doesn't exist or is a red-herring/straw man to justify the FBI's use of the dossier to obtain a FISA warrant.

TOMAHAWK9521

01-09-2018, 17:02

I was thinking more along the lines of Seth Rich. The DNC staffer who was shot while being mugged although nothing was stolen, so, just plain murdered. Another random death. Like so many people associated with the Lady Bathory.

Old Dog New Trick

01-09-2018, 17:09

^^^Ditto

ddoering

01-09-2018, 17:51

Perhaps it is an attempt to give the dossier legitimacy. After all, no body is killed for fake news.

bblhead672

01-09-2018, 19:45

Seems to me that if someone had really been killed, there would be follow up questions about who that person was and an investigation launched by law enforcement into the circumstances of the death. The ass hats at Fusion GPS are as trustworthy as Sen Feinstein or the mainstream media.
Fusion GPS, Feinstein/Democrates/MSM - all fruit of the same leftist tree.

Old Dog New Trick

01-09-2018, 23:11

TWITCHY

01-10-2018, 01:14

“Diane Feinstein can suck a bowl of dicks!”

Now that would make a good t-shirt!

Badger52

01-10-2018, 07:43

2. Apparently there is a "source" within the Trump campaign that corroborated some of the dossier content to the FBI. Frankly, I don't believe that for a minute and think it is far more likely that this "source" either doesn't exist or is a red-herring/straw man to justify the FBI's use of the dossier to obtain a FISA warrant.Bingo. The source of that "source" remark are those who are, themselves, suspect as undermining anything not HRC. They give comments like that to those on the hill and let the congresskritters do the rest of the dance for them.

Box

01-10-2018, 09:23

It sounds a lot like someone saying, "I'm not accusing that guy of being a thief, but my stuff is missing"

Another way of responding to Feinstein's choice to release "documents" is by using the following piece as mild reading material - https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2015/12/10/feinstein_corruption_1.2.pdf

Now, I'm totally NOT saying that the Senator is corrupt, but............

This is the same person that said "one of her proudest moments was handing a cross made of melted-down firearms, including her own revolver, obtained through a San Francisco gun buyback program to Pope John Paul II while on a trip to Rome in the early 1980s"
...forgetting of course that the NRA called her out for turning that SAME gun in two or three separate times for photo ops.

Trapper John

01-10-2018, 10:44

Bingo. The source of that "source" remark are those who are, themselves, suspect as undermining anything not HRC. They give comments like that to those on the hill and let the congresskritters do the rest of the dance for them.

It is being reported that the human source within the Trump campaign is none other than George Papadapolous (consistent with my assessment of that ass-hat), who has already plead guilty to lying to the FBI. Now there's a reliable source fur ya!

It is becoming clear that the Strzok-Page/McCabe "insurance policy" is the Fusion-GPS manufactured Trump dossier and the Papadapolous drunken babbling to an Aussie envoy is nothing more than a straw man argument to justify the FISA warrant. I'm guessing that about now Mueller is regretting that he ever took the special prosecutor position.

In the end I predict that we will see the real collusion was between the HRC campaign/DNC/Fusion GPS/Russia and the FBI/DoJ. Some folks will be going to jail for a long-long time.

Now on to the Uranium One deal and connections to the Clinton Foundation.

BTW, Tomahawk, I was thinking the same thing re: Seth Rich. More likely his murder was related to leaking emails to Wikileaks, but could include the dossier as well. We may never know the answer to that one.

When Trump said he was going to drain the swamp I don't think anyone including Trump could imagine that this would be the manner and means.

rubberneck

01-10-2018, 12:00

In the end I predict that we will see the real collusion was between the HRC campaign/DNC/Fusion GPS/Russia and the FBI/DoJ. Some folks will be going to jail for a long-long time.

Not in my lifetime. The FBI had Clinton dead to rights and the system closed ranks around her and made it go away. The deep state is all about protecting the insiders at all costs.

EricV

01-10-2018, 12:21

Maybe this guy...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/

I think the transcript got released to give additional cover to the idea that the FBI, et al, were doing the right thing by illegally spying on Trump.

Can't wait to see who this internal spy was/is. Maybe Bannon??

This ties a lot of it up...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/10/a-political-battle-over-dossiers-fisa-warrants-and-surveillance-clouds-a-much-bigger-story/

Pete

01-10-2018, 12:58

Maybe this guy...

I guess you missed Post # 4

"Erovinkin?

Be hard to pin that one on Trump. "

Badger52

01-10-2018, 13:59

BTW, Tomahawk, I was thinking the same thing re: Seth Rich. More likely his murder was related to leaking emails to Wikileaks, but could include the dossier as well. We may never know the answer to that one.
Could be recalling incorrectly, but wasn't he the DNC's donor database manager? I'll bet the unredacted version of that was an interesting file.

Trapper John

01-10-2018, 14:13

This ties a lot of it up...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/10/a-political-battle-over-dossiers-fisa-warrants-and-surveillance-clouds-a-much-bigger-story/

Just finished reading and well worth it. I like the analytical approach and starting from the hypothesis that no FISA warrant was issued makes a lot of sense.

We are no longer taking it for granted a FISA warrant was ever given to the DOJ because NO-ONE can prove a FISA warrant exists. Heck, no-one can even point to anything that directly claims a FISA warrant was even requested. There are inferences, suspicions, media reports based on anonymous leaks, but no direct or reasonable evidence beyond innuendo. We are eighteen months past the reported origination dates, and there’s not a single official who will state a 2016 FISA warrant was applied for or granted. Therefore we must begin to question that basic assumption.

That said, the inability to prove the existence of a FISA warrant does not prove a FISA warrant doesn’t exist. Additionally, the cloud-of-uncertainty conveniently, perhaps purposely, makes it challenging to outline the liars within the intelligence community.

When it comes to questions around the 2016 DOJ/FBI FISA warrant – A key approach to finding the truth is to apply the scientific method during the research; question our underlying assumptions and reverse the hypothesis.

I am more certain than ever this is not going away and that the "insurance policy" was a bridge too far. The truth will come out, we have passed the tipping point and it will rock our constitutional republic to the core. That's got to happen first and then we can set about fixing it!

As my name sake says: "Finest kind" post rat there EricV! :lifter

Trapper John

01-10-2018, 14:16

Could be recalling incorrectly, but wasn't he the DNC's donor database manager? I'll bet the unredacted version of that was an interesting file.

Yes he was Badger. IIRC his death was around the time of the disclosure of the dossier too.

PSM

01-10-2018, 14:27

It's interesting that the divorce between Huma and Carlos Danger has been called off. Perhaps to maintain spousal testimonial privilege? :confused:

Trapper John

01-10-2018, 14:29

It's interesting that the divorce between Huma and Carlos Danger has been called off. Perhaps to maintain spousal testimonial privilege? :confused:

That was exactly the thought I had too!

lindy

01-10-2018, 15:40

It is becoming clear that the Strzok-Page/McCabe "insurance policy" is the Fusion-GPS manufactured Trump dossier and the Papadapolous drunken babbling to an Aussie envoy is nothing more than a straw man argument to justify the FISA warrant.

As Andrew McCarthy at National Review noted, if Papadapolus’s comments were used, why was FISA focused on Carter Page?

Sure seems like some folks at the FBI lied to a federal judge on an intelligence court. I did wonder why they went the FISC route instead of via regular courts, especially given the Fusion GPS was non-USG information.

IMO, the DNI should remove the FBI’s NSD from the IC and return the organization to fighting crime.

EricV

01-10-2018, 17:07

I guess you missed Post # 4

"Erovinkin?

Be hard to pin that one on Trump. "

No, didn't miss it, I looked the name up from that post. Poorly phrased, meant "That's this guy." Brain fade... :(

EricV

01-10-2018, 17:24

WarriorDiplomat

01-10-2018, 18:31

Not in my lifetime. The FBI had Clinton dead to rights and the system closed ranks around her and made it go away. The deep state is all about protecting the insiders at all costs.

You got that right the cesspool in D.C. is the swamp Trump said it was that we all knew and were losing hope in....either they are in the inner circle or they are just as corrupt and both sides knows it....The supremacy of law was it was non partisan but somehow politicians have found a way to make it partisan....I don't know how much draining Trump can do in his time but this year has already seen both sides start to eat their own especially the liberals....the sickening thing about our government is it has become a two party system....I am for term limits now though limits should have always been based off performance and voter approval but these days it seems to be more about how recognizable they are....no one in this country has time to really study their choices our lives are too busy and their are partisans, special interest who will do the bidding on behalf of their party....

WarriorDiplomat

01-10-2018, 18:40

As my name sake says: "Finest kind" post rat there EricV!

Thank kew, Thank Kew... No need to applaud, just throw money!! :D

I just saw this DVD last night.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/weiner/

You wanna see a real "Weiner"at work, truck on down to the Library and borrow a copy. Great viewing. I got to see Huma Abedin slowly losing it while munching popcorn :munchinand and thinking how her ass should be in jail cause of emails.

If all the scum bags get hung out to dry over all this, there is still hope and it will be fun to watch. It all gets swept under the rug, and we've turned into a Banana Republic.

Yeah it is a good video and sort of sad how sick Weiner is and his wife is equally as culpable for his lack of accountability....classic liberals they will conceal pedophilia like they do in Hollywood and other areas ...there is no doubt most of their marriages are about power, corruption etc.....I suspect many liberal marriages are for convenience and status and that sexual deviancy is a normal thing......so normal in my theory was that Huma Abedin was selected for Clinton's campaign without worry of Weiner's pedophile personal preferences so normal is this behavior in their circles they overlooked it.

Paslode

01-10-2018, 23:27

You got that right the cesspool in D.C. is the swamp Trump said it was that we all knew and were losing hope in....either they are in the inner circle or they are just as corrupt and both sides knows it....The supremacy of law was it was non partisan but somehow politicians have found a way to make it partisan....I don't know how much draining Trump can do in his time but this year has already seen both sides start to eat their own especially the liberals....the sickening thing about our government is it has become a two party system....I am for term limits now though limits should have always been based off performance and voter approval but these days it seems to be more about how recognizable they are....no one in this country has time to really study their choices our lives are too busy and their are partisans, special interest who will do the bidding on behalf of their party....

The longer Trump is in office the more glaringly apparent it is that the US Government is a parasitic organism that is consuming the host. The RNC , DNC and much of the bureaucracy is in it for no other reason than for self profit and power.

It becomes more obvious by the day, it was only yesterday that the Daily Caller reported that a leaked memo from The Center For American Progress stated that Dreamers were a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success, and called on Democrats to refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them. If you ask me, that sounds eerily like betraying one's country for the sake of their preferred team.

Peter Strzok and many other high level government bureaucrats gave Hillary & Co a pass, and have undermined Trump at every turn.

Today I read that John McCain did his part in undermining Trump by handing off the bogus dossier.

And for the umpteenth time the FBI has been shown to be an out of control organization.....Waco, Ruby Ridge, The Hutaree, just to name a few and now The Bundy's.

And the hits just keep on coming........

Joker

01-11-2018, 04:42

The longer Trump is in office the more glaringly apparent it is that the US Government is a parasitic organism that is consuming the host. The RNC , DNC and much of the bureaucracy is in it for no other reason than for self profit and power...

And the hits just keep on coming........

To quote someone, "You are a genius, Gump!"

Paslode

01-11-2018, 13:42

To quote someone, "You are a genius, Gump!"

If I were a genius I would likely be extolling the virtues of HRC and calling for the impeachment of Cheeto man. But I am just an average person who is waiting for prosecutions of corrupt public officials......prosecutions which will never happen.

Surf n Turf

01-11-2018, 18:03

1. Why would Feinstein release the transcript of the closed door testimony? Could it then become inadmissible in a subsequent investigation? Hear-say? Fruit of the poisoned tree?

Trapper,
I just finished reading the 312 pages of the Glenn Simpson interview, and I have some observations..
The key is when did events occur (timeline) of any surveillance or active mischief (some exposed to President trump by Admiral Rodgers on Nov 17..after the election ) is of critical importance if there is a legal distinction between Eavesdropping on A). a presidential candidate, B). a President-Elect, and C) A President.

I think that Feinstein (in releasing the interview) was trying to nail down a PRE-ELECTION timeline to nullify any adverse actions / reactions against the Democrats, Political operatives, and DOJ/FBI/CIA activities. Even this effort may not work, as Simpson admitted that even though election night was the end of his official engagement, stuff in the pipeline kept coming in.

I would guess that surveilling a presidential candidate is a political matter, with a government department (if involved) suffering a minor slap on the wrist, congressional hearings, (some firings), and perhaps some bad press.

I would guess that same activity on a President-elect would be semi-serious because of National Security and associated concerns as he prepares to assume office. This would probably lead to a constitutional crisis, with or without executive, legislative or judicial branch involvement, and would certainly be of monumental import.

I know that surveilling the President is probably right up there with Treason as a crime against the United States. I would guess that no-one wants to go there (even if it happened). My guess is that it did happen, through the DOJ National Security Division (IG not allowed to audit). Treason, sedition, whatever — Let’s not get too picky. The legal details can be worked out when the indictments are written. :rolleyes:

So the Key dates are Nov 8, and Jan 20 .....

to justify the FISA warrant.[/B] I'm guessing that about now Mueller is regretting that he ever took the special prosecutor position.

In the end I predict that we will see the real collusion was between the HRC campaign/DNC/Fusion GPS/Russia and the FBI/DoJ. Some folks will be going to jail for a long-long time.

Just finished reading and well worth it. I like the analytical approach and starting from the hypothesis that no FISA warrant was issued makes a lot of sense.I am more certain than ever this is not going away and that the "insurance policy" was a bridge too far. The truth will come out, we have passed the tipping point and it will rock our constitutional republic to the core. That's got to happen first and then we can set about fixing it!

Trapper,

I think I caught up to you, as everyone else seems positive that there was an APPROVED FISA warrant issued. We know (or think we know) that one request was NOT APPROVED. How do we know that a later request was approved.

We know that Judge Rudolph Contreras (who presided over a December hearing where LTG Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI) was recused.. Contreras is a member of the FISA court, and we do not know his role in any FISA warrant (approved or not), but the timing of his recusal (voluntary or not) is damn sure curious.....: :rolleyes:

SnT

Badger52

01-11-2018, 18:40

Trapper,
I just finished reading the 312 pages of the Glenn Simpson interview, and I have some observations..
First, kudos for slogging through that. :rolleyes:

One other interesting timeline aspect seems (to me) apparent conflicts between what McCain says, and what Sir Andrew Wood (former UK ambassador to Moscow) says relating to how McCain got the dossier, to give to Comey.

From a Breitbart article here (http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/01/11/john-mccain-stays-silent-involvement-hoax-trump-dossier-fusion-gps-revelations/):

Sir Andrew Wood, a former British ambassador to Moscow, said McCain first consulted him about the claims inside the dossier at a security conference in Canada shortly after last November’s presidential election.

Wood stated that McCain had obtained the documents from the senator’s own sources. “I told him I was aware of what was in the report but I had not read it myself, that it might be true, it might be untrue. I had no means of judging really,” Wood further told BBC Radio 4 in January.

Last Month, Wood related that he served as a “go-between” to inform McCain about the dossier contents. “My mission was essentially to be a go-between and a messenger, to tell the senator and assistants that such a dossier existed,” Wood told Fox News.

So which was it, McCain came to you, or you went to McCain?

In March, Vanity Fair raised questions about the alleged involvement of David J. Kramer, a former State Department official, in helping to obtain the dossier directly from Steele. [Likely hand-off mechanism, Steele to McCain?] The issue was also raised in a lawsuit filed against Steele by one of the individuals named in the dossier.

Trapper John

01-11-2018, 19:19

SNT, Interesting points, but I take issue with one point you made I would guess that surveilling a presidential candidate is a political matter, with a government department (if involved) suffering a minor slap on the wrist, congressional hearings, (some firings), and perhaps some bad press.

Frankly, I think that is the most egregious of the potential offenses. Using the instruments of government in such a weaponized manner to spy on political opponents is exactly what Putin does in Russia. We already have seen that with the IRS and now the DoJ/FBI? :mad:

Now if we learn that the FBI/DoJ have used the dossier as the "insurance policy" should, in the unlikely event, Trump win the election and undermine him and plant the reason for impeachment proceedings - that would indeed be treasonous.

This would be enough to call me to arms if it isn't dealt with through our system of laws and justice.

And Badger, McCain was the cut-out in transfer of the dossier to provide credibility as an intelligence document, plain and simple. Whether McCain directed this or was set-up, it makes no difference. Reveals his true colors either way and is consistent with his prior behavior over his entire life.

Badger52

01-11-2018, 19:27

And Badger, McCain was the cut-out in transfer of the dossier to provide credibility as an intelligence document, plain and simple. Whether McCain directed this or was set-up, it makes no difference. Reveals his true colors either way and is consistent with his prior behavior over his entire life.Oh, Si Senor! I'm with you on that. I just pointed out that it looks like Fusion/Steele/DNC/KlintonMob/DeepState were using add'l cutouts, which they are very adept at doing. "So how do we get this to a treacherous guy that hates Trump because he might upset the puppy's dish?" And then the guy he gives it to... must've made the DNC think their wet dream came true.

Trapper John

01-11-2018, 19:39

Oh, Si Senor! I'm with you on that. I just pointed out that it looks like Fusion/Steele/DNC/KlintonMob/DeepState were using add'l cutouts, which they are very adept at doing. "So how do we get this to a treacherous guy that hates Trump because he might upset the puppy's dish?" And then the guy he gives it to... must've made the DNC think their wet dream came true.

:D:D:D

Surf n Turf

01-11-2018, 20:12

SNT, Interesting points, but I take issue with one point you made

Frankly, I think that is the most egregious of the potential offenses. Using the instruments of government in such a weaponized manner to spy on political opponents is exactly what Putin does in Russia. We already have seen that with the IRS and now the DoJ/FBI? :mad:

Now if we learn that the FBI/DoJ have used the dossier as the "insurance policy" should, in the unlikely event, Trump win the election and undermine him and plant the reason for impeachment proceedings - that would indeed be treasonous.

This would be enough to call me to arms if it isn't dealt with through our system of laws and justice.

Trapper,

I was far too cavalier in my wordsmithing. You are correct..... That is what they do in Russia, etc..

What I failed to correctly posit was, of the three (3) actions against a American seeking Presidential office, the least-worse would be against a contender for the office, and the most grievous against a sitting president.

Your reply was correct for both...." Trump win the election and undermine him and plant the reason for impeachment proceedings - that would indeed be treasonous".

SnT

Badger52

01-11-2018, 20:39

IMO Trump needs to just continue with his agenda & let the glacial pace of some congress-kritters do what they do. There will be letters to bureaucrats asking for documents, which will be ignored. There will be really strongly-worded letters to bureaucrats asking for documents, which will be ignored. There will be subpoenas for documents that will be reshuffled sideways into "offices of legal counsel" and ignored. Requests for witnesses; they're suddenly unavailable & will have to be rescheduled (or amazingly in their 50's had a fatal accident while cliff-diving in Mexico). I will be chasing smallies up north this fall before this stuff gets any closer to someone getting their mugshot taken. I'd be delighted to be wrong.

Joker

01-11-2018, 21:19

rsdengler

01-12-2018, 07:30

It’s clear the FBI under Comey and the DOJ under Lynch (both of which were under the control of the Obama administration at the time is corrupt beyond imagination) is hell bent on creating conspiracies to undermine President Trump’s time in office.

Diane Feinstein can suck a bowl of dicks!

How normal people don’t see this is beyond Beyoncé being only an entertainer in a gold swimsuit shaking her fat ass blaming white cops for killing only black criminals is only proof of the level of stupidity that democrats will put forth as truth.

LOL....Diane Feinstein......That Old C-Bag...Didn't I read that she stated "she blamed it on a bad cold" when she handled the release of an interview transcript behind the anti-Trump dossier which affected her so called judgement of releasing info? (Fox News) BS...I am sorry, those Government Officials who have been elected over and over and over again are so ineffective, power hungry, assine, and utterly brain dead. Let’s face it, if you are a Democrat all you want to do is sling dirt on the “Trump” administration because they have “loser syndrome”. It’s a circus, and the freakin clowns have spent too much time in that tiny clown car...they have been starved of oxygen for so many years now, rational thinking is non-existent. :munchin

EricV

01-12-2018, 10:12

SNT, Interesting points, but I take issue with one point you made

Frankly, I think that is the most egregious of the potential offenses. Using the instruments of government in such a weaponized manner to spy on political opponents is exactly what Putin does in Russia. We already have seen that with the IRS and now the DoJ/FBI? :mad:

Now if we learn that the FBI/DoJ have used the dossier as the "insurance policy" should, in the unlikely event, Trump win the election and undermine him and plant the reason for impeachment proceedings - that would indeed be treasonous.

This would be enough to call me to arms if it isn't dealt with through our system of laws and justice.

And Badger, McCain was the cut-out in transfer of the dossier to provide credibility as an intelligence document, plain and simple. Whether McCain directed this or was set-up, it makes no difference. Reveals his true colors either way and is consistent with his prior behavior over his entire life.

Hopefully, the I.G. report is on the up and up, and just in time with the mid terms. If not I think you'll have lotsa company.

Box

01-12-2018, 22:16

So Senator Feinstein is stating that she is incompetent of properly discharging the duties of her office because of health issues?

...interesting - I wonder when the left will start calling for her resignation since now it is clear that something as minor as the flu interferes with the good senators cognitive and mental state

tom kelly

01-13-2018, 06:09

EricV

01-13-2018, 08:33

NOTHING IN THE MSM OR FOX ????? WAS NOT IN DC FOR CRUCIAL TAX CUT VOTE; &THAT WAS IN DEC. ANY OF THE LOCAL NEW's STATIONS REPORTING ANYTHING??? HAS HIS MEDICAL CONDITION ADVANCED TO THE POINT OF EOL????

He was reported as "increasingly frail" a month ago. Still had strength to tweet about Trump's comment on Haiti yesterday though. Wasn't anything special. Typical babble about dignity yada, yada, yada.

Old Dog New Trick

01-13-2018, 09:25

NOTHING IN THE MSM OR FOX ????? WAS NOT IN DC FOR CRUCIAL TAX CUT VOTE; &THAT WAS IN DEC. ANY OF THE LOCAL NEW's STATIONS REPORTING ANYTHING??? HAS HIS MEDICAL CONDITION ADVANCED TO THE POINT OF EOL????

He and his BFF Harry Reid are “Gone Fishin’” at least in the eyes of the media collusion with all that’s happening in real news today. BLM agents acted badly with cover from Reid’s office to punish a free-loading rancher and the man of the hour responsible for legitimizing the Trump Dossier is too ill to answer questions about it.

In other news...

Trump should tweet: I have a lot of respect for Sen. Dick Durbin, but he was mistaken and misquoted me. I said, I said, “Washington DC is a “shit-hole” and I don’t know why anyone would want to immigrate here from Africa or Haiti where the US provides hundreds of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid.”

Also, in the future all partisan discussions between the office of President of the United States and the members of Congress will take place in the Capitol Assembly with CSPAN rolling - only CSPAN. The fake news, lies, and disingenuous remarks coming from privately held discussions will no longer be distractions to the real business of solving difficult questions and issues.

Badger52

01-13-2018, 09:41

He and his BFF Harry Reid are “Gone Fishin’” at least in the eyes of the media collusion with all that’s happening in real news today.They're having a cuddle-session with Lindsey Graham over POTUS inviting some less-than-cuddly reform advocates to the meeting. Boo-hoo. Time to just walk out on the ice gents.

ddoering

01-13-2018, 17:28

You would think a lot of people connected with the dossier would be dead by now.
One would hope so anyways.

Old Dog New Trick

01-13-2018, 18:25

You would think a lot of people connected with the dossier would be dead by now.
One would hope so anyways.

Yes I’m surprised as well. One would have to believe the Klinton crime family are keeping a low profile on family vacations, travel and get togethers. Lest they be recognized as no longer useful idiots. Air travel must be on the strictest need to know without a Sec. Brown situation happening.

I think there will be some mysterious and awkward suicides though as this drags on. At least one can hope.

Surf n Turf

01-13-2018, 21:36

What I think happened.

I hope I can explain it correctly... Elint was never my strong suit. :rolleyes:
You have gotta' watch my hands....cause this magic trick is hard :D

First... There is a portion of NSA data called FISA-702(17) search “query” activity. This is data about Americans, pick-up as incidental information. This data DID NOT require any court order to collect....

Second....Obama allowed this NSA "Query" data to be "shared" amongst the other Intel agencies, most notable the DOJ National Security Division, and the FBI Counterintelligence Division.

Third....Some People in the above divisions colluded to track /collect "Query" "private" data on Americans, but especially on Trump, and staff. This DOJ/FBI group were Clinton backers, and were sure she would become the next President, but they were activists, and wanted to provide a "opposition research" collection.

Fourth ... NSA Director Admiral Mike Rodgers became aware of the potential illegal "query" collection in early 2016, and started an NSA Inspector General audit of the FISA 702(17) program. He also stopped all NSA data sharing of "query" data with other Agencies.

Fifth... The Conspirators panicked....knowing that in a very short time their data collection would be uncovered. What to do...What to do... They came up with the brilliant plan of offloading the data, and the opposition research to a civilian contractor. They chose Fusion-GPS. No government fingerprints.

Sixth....They provided Fusion-GPS with all their files / data (some highly classified with obvious S/M attributes) and instructed them to continue the Oppo-research, already nearly complete. All research indicates the information the DOJ and FBI collected via their FISA-702 queries, combined with the stuff Fusion GPS created in their earlier use of contractor access to FISA-702(17) “about queries”, was the data delivered to Christopher Steele. Steele then adds his own ingredients to the mix, turns around, and gives the end product back to the FBI. Now that end product is called “The Trump/Russia Dossier”.

Seventh...... The FBI then turn around and use that “dossier” as the underlying documentary and investigative evidence for continued operations against the target of the entire enterprise, candidate Donald Trump. As Peter Strzok would say in August 2016: this is their “insurance policy” per se’.

Eighth... Lastly, when the DOJ/FBI used the Steele Dossier to make their prior surveillance activity legal, get their October FISA application approved, they are essentially using the outcome of a illegal process they created themselves in collaboration with both Fusion GPS and the Clinton campaign.

A lot of this is gleaned from Conservative Tree House....I have a longer write-up, but thought it too long to post, but I think this outline expresses the high level general points of the FBI /DOJ treason.

SnT