Another barry soetoro policy about to get overturned

[Team Sergeant]

There goes my dreams of being the Pot King of Calif.......;)

Going to be amusing to see how many arrests are made.







Attorney General Sessions to end Obama-era policy that let legal pot flourish
FOXNEWS

Attorney General Jeff Sessions plans to roll back an Obama-era policy that had allowed legal marijuana to thrive without federal intervention, Fox News confirmed Thursday.

The Obama administration back in 2013 announced via a memo from then-Deputy Attorney General James Cole that it would not obstruct states that legalized marijuana, on the condition the drug was not allowed to move to states where it was illegal and it was kept away from children and gangs.

Sessions is expected to announce that he will rescind that memo and instead leave it to U.S. attorneys in states where the drug is legal to decide to what extent they will enforce federal laws.

The Associated Press reported that the move will likely add to confusion among users and suppliers about whether they can grow, buy and sell marijuana in states -- as federal law bans it.

The government regards marijuana as a controlled dangerous substances, grouped together with drugs such as heroin. Sessions has blamed its increased use for spikes in violence in the U.S.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/04/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-to-end-policy-that-let-legal-pot-flourish.html

[Ret10Echo]

on the condition the drug was not allowed to move to states where it was illegal and it was kept away from children and gangs.


AaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....

Dope-Free-Zone

[bblhead672]

AaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....

Dope-Free-Zone

Washington DC needs to be turned into a Dope-Free-Zone. But then we'd need to have elections to replace the 535 dopes in Congress.

[Streck-Fu]

....leave it to U.S. attorneys in states where the drug is legal to decide to what extent they will enforce federal laws.

I do not believe marijuana should be illegal and do not support federal prohibitions of most anything but this is an ok compromise for now. There is no scientific justification for the government's classification as a dangerous drug.
And the prohibition drives the associated crime just like with alcohol prohibition.

EDITED: On second thought, Sessions is pretty hard core for MJ enforcement so I doubt anything will come from this except more aggressive federal actions in states with legal weed. This is much more important than going after Hillary, or the other associated criminals...

[rsdengler]

LOL...Looks like Cheech and Chong will be out of a job.......:p

[Streck-Fu]

soooo we just ignore the law?

Sure.

What may be the law is not always right. Why knowingly enforce terrible laws? Continued enforcement will only put officers and citizens unnecessary risk.

[cbtengr]

Sure.

What may be the law is not always right. Why knowingly enforce terrible laws? Continued enforcement will only put officers and citizens unnecessary risk.

So like Barry you can be the arbiter of terrible laws? As brush stated either enforce the law or change it. This shit they are smoking today is not your Daddy's ditch weed.

[Badger52]

This is much more important than going after Hillary, or the other associated criminals...Opinions vary.

[Streck-Fu]

Opinions vary.

I should have put in pink.

[sfshooter]

How about "X" state voting in submachine guns and suppressors for all. How far do you think that would go? Laws are put there to be enforced for whatever the reason fat ass politicians decide on. Go through congress to change it if everyone thinks its such a crappy law. Otherwise enforce the damn thing.

Without rule of law (enforcing such) there is no civil society and this country's last bonehead leader dumped whatever he didn't want to uphold, which has put this country in some state of civil unrest.....no rule of law being enforced.

I'm guessing some people remember all the damn rioting the last couple of years and all the ass clowns destroying property. Wonder what the dope infused level of all those wonderful citizens was?

[CSB]

The best way to cause the repeal of a bad law is to strictly enforce it.

[sfshooter]

The best way to cause the repeal of a bad law is to strictly enforce it.

Thank you sir! You are much better at words than I am.

[JJ_BPK]

The best way to cause the repeal of a bad law is to strictly enforce it.

This was another TAX grab by FDR and the 1930t's SJW'ers.


Marihuana Tax Act of 1937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

The Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, Pub.L. 75–238, 50 Stat. 551, enacted August 2, 1937, was a United States Act that placed a tax on the sale of cannabis.

The H.R. 6385 act was drafted by Harry Anslinger and introduced by Rep. Robert L. Doughton of North Carolina, on April 14, 1937.

The seventy-fifth Congress held hearings on April 27, 28, 29th, 30th, and May 4, 1937. Upon the congressional hearings confirmation, the H.R. 6385 act was redrafted as H.R. 6906 and introduced with House Report 792.

The Act is now commonly referred to, using the modern spelling, as the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

This act was overturned in 1969 in Leary v. United States, and was repealed by Congress the next year.[1]



Rather than go thru repeal, it may be tweakable??



The Controlled Substances Act (CSA) is the statute establishing federal U.S. drug policy under which the manufacture, importation, possession, use and distribution of certain substances is regulated. It was passed by the 91st United States Congress as Title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 and signed into law by President Richard Nixon.[1] The Act also served as the national implementing legislation for the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs.

The legislation created five Schedules (classifications), with varying qualifications for a substance to be included in each. Two federal agencies, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), determine which substances are added to or removed from the various schedules, although the statute passed by Congress created the initial listing. Congress has sometimes scheduled other substances through legislation such as the Hillory J. Farias and Samantha Reid Date-Rape Prevention Act of 2000, which placed gamma hydroxybutyrate in Schedule I. Classification decisions are required to be made on criteria including potential for abuse (an undefined term),[2][3] currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and international treaties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act


The DEA and FDA have the authority to ADD or REMOVE..

It does not need congress critters intervention..

An Executive Order by POTUS could help but is also not needed.

[Streck-Fu]

All I needed to know about the ridiculousness of weed prohibition, I learned from Harry Anslinger....

There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.

Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.

Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.

You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother.

[Dean Jarvis]

I do not believe marijuana should be illegal and do not support federal prohibitions of most anything but this is an ok compromise for now. There is no scientific justification for the government's classification as a dangerous drug.
And the prohibition drives the associated crime just like with alcohol prohibition.

EDITED: On second thought, Sessions is pretty hard core for MJ enforcement so I doubt anything will come from this except more aggressive federal actions in states with legal weed. This is much more important than going after Hillary, or the other associated criminals...


I couldn't agree more. I get so tired of these sensational TV news reports showing a car trunk full of marijuana and making it seem like they are making some kind of impact on the availability of marijuana and next week we'll see it again and again, it's never ending and the prohibition only drives crime in our communities. How many doors have been kicked in, LEO's killed, and innocent people murdered trying to stop the use of marijuana. If they want to get serious about it they need to target the demand side of the problem. Once you start locking up the white collar recreational user you might start seeing some impact on it's use. They won't tackle that approach because of the cost to incarcerate all of them. My solution has been to take an old military basic training complex with a mess hall, barracks and throw a chain link fence around it. I guarantee you that 99pct of inmates, being made up of your average employed citizen and family man would not attempt to escape a low level security prison. They just want to get the hell out and back to their family and jobs asap and never do it again.

As for Sessions....this wingnut is a major disappointment. His limited focus seems to be immigration and marijuana laws. Believe me, we have much bigger fish to fry and he better get with the program.

[Streck-Fu]

If they want to get serious about it they need to target the demand side of the problem. Once you start locking up the white collar recreational user you might start seeing some impact on it's use.

I think the simple act of decriminalizing it will remove the taboo association. After the initial use spike due to the removal of prohibition, you will see a steady decline in use.

Then, treat it like cigarettes and keep informing people that smoking leaves is eventually terrible for your health and fewer will use it.

Other countries that have legalized MJ have seen a significant drop in use. Portugal is one example

[Team Sergeant]

I think the simple act of decriminalizing it will remove the taboo association. After the initial use spike due to the removal of prohibition, you will see a steady decline in use.

Then, treat it like cigarettes and keep informing people that smoking leaves is eventually terrible for your health and fewer will use it.

Other countries that have legalized MJ have seen a significant drop in use. Portugal is one example


Do you click your heels three times to go home too? :munchin







Crime rate in Colorado increases much faster than rest of the country

By Kirk Mitchell | kmitchell@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: July 11, 2017 at 10:29 am | UPDATED: July 12, 2017 at 12:45 pm

Crime rates dropped or remained static in many of the nation’s 30 largest cities last year, but in Colorado the crime rate per 100,000 people spiked by 3.4 percent, fueled by a rise in auto thefts, rape, murder and robbery.
Colorado’s crime-rate increase in 2016 was more than 11 times the 0.3 percent average increase reported in the 30 largest cities in the nation, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.
Last year’s number of homicides — 189 — marked an 9.9 percent increase over the 172 in 2015, according to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation report “2016 Crime in Colorado.” Nearly one in three homicides were committed in Denver.

Factoring in the state’s population grown, the homicide rate increased 6.3 percent per 100,000 residents, the CBI reported.
Some Colorado lawmakers, police and legal experts partly blame the marijuana industry, claiming that it has lured transients and criminals to the state. Others point to a dramatic increase in the number of cars stolen to commit other crimes or to ship to Mexico. Increases in crime are often a reflection of economic conditions, said Steve Davis, spokesman for the Lakewood Police Department.
“I think it would be naive not to believe the increase in drug use is not having an impact on the crime rate,” said Rep. Cole Wist, R-Centennial, who serves on the House Judiciary Committee. But Cole added that it’s not just marijuana that is having an impact on crime, but also an increase in the use of heroin and illegal prescription drugs.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/colorado-sees-big-increase-crime-10-percent-higher-murder-rate/

[cbtengr]

Big Tobacco has been the most evil bunch of SOB's on the planet for how long now? And who has made it their mission to go after the lowly cigarette smoker and manufacturer with a vengeance? That would be the same govt. that decriminalizes pot. What sense would it make to legalize it then go after the smokers of it in the same fashion that cigarette smokers have been treated? It is not gonna happen, the same states that think legalizing pot is the answer are ones that hold cigarette smokers out to be societal pariahs. I will support whatever federal law is on the books regarding pot. Which brings us full circle to change the law but in the mean time do not ignore it.

[cedsall]

Crime rates dropped or remained static in many of the nation’s 30 largest cities last year, but in Colorado the crime rate per 100,000 people spiked by 3.4 percent, fueled by a rise in auto thefts, rape, murder and robbery.
Colorado’s crime-rate increase in 2016 was more than 11 times the 0.3 percent average increase reported in the 30 largest cities in the nation, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.
Last year’s number of homicides — 189 — marked an 9.9 percent increase over the 172 in 2015, according to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation report “2016 Crime in Colorado.” Nearly one in three homicides were committed in Denver.

Factoring in the state’s population grown, the homicide rate increased 6.3 percent per 100,000 residents, the CBI reported.
Some Colorado lawmakers, police and legal experts partly blame the marijuana industry, claiming that it has lured transients and criminals to the state.

Of course. When I smoke a joint I always have to suppress the urge to steal a car, rape or kill someone, or go out and rob the local 7-11.

I think all is not as everyone believes: https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/republican-voters-favor-cannabis-legalization-for-first-time

If you are on a .gov computer you may want to avoid the pro-marijuana legalization link. Granted, the site has a slant (ok, a bent) towards legalization. That said, assuming their numbers are correct, it's interesting insight into the politics of pot.

[Team Sergeant]

Of course. When I smoke a joint I always have to suppress the urge to steal a car, rape or kill someone, or go out and rob the local 7-11.


I think you understand the point I’m attempting to make, crime follows drugs. And reading the crime stats associated with mary jane it’s clear there are some disturbing trends. One that I never thought of, is that when using MJ the high lasts a very long time. (And if you saw some of the construction work done on the houses here in Arizona that’s quite evident.)

Next time you order corporation food, remember, probably about say what, 75% of the food service folks serving you are high.

Let me know if you’d like to see those stats with EMS…….. ;)

[cedsall]

I think crime follows just about anything. It's like capitalism - if there's a way to make a buck, someone is going to figure it out. Same with crime, if there's a way to make an illegal buck, someone will try it.

My point is that the politics of pot legalization appear to be changing. The old battle lines of "Republicans are against it, Democrats are for it" no longer tell the story. My opinion - Americans are interested in government staying out of their personal lives. Where that aligns to political parties is, some folks are happily self sufficient in the sense they have a job, make good money, pay their taxes, have health insurance, are secure in their lifestyle, and don't want government involved in any of that. Others believe the government should be providing for them at some level in those same areas. But both sides agree (violently) that government's interests stop at their front door.

That's reflected in the link. Majority republican districts also support marijuana legalization. It's one of the few issues that seems to cross political affiliations.

As an aside, I think it's a similar political undercurrent that got President Trump elected. The political issues are more complex but at the end of the day folks want their government to simply govern. Maintain the peace, defend the country, protect the little guy, but stay out of our lives. President Trump seemed to represent that idea of government - focus on the things government should be doing, cut off the excess.

[Chucko]

Just what we need is to flood the market with legalized hallucinogenics. You can't tell me it won't affect a greater population of school kids. Adults can hardly control themselves with alcohol, much less throw in MJ and who knows what else on top of it.

I am not concerned about doctor approved medical MJ other than the abuse it will possibly bring in.

Don't flame me, but that is my opinion.

[SF_BHT]

I think crime follows just about anything. It's like capitalism - if there's a way to make a buck, someone is going to figure it out. Same with crime, if there's a way to make an illegal buck, someone will try it.

My point is that the politics of pot legalization appear to be changing. The old battle lines of "Republicans are against it, Democrats are for it" no longer tell the story. My opinion - Americans are interested in government staying out of their personal lives. Where that aligns to political parties is, some folks are happily self sufficient in the sense they have a job, make good money, pay their taxes, have health insurance, are secure in their lifestyle, and don't want government involved in any of that. Others believe the government should be providing for them at some level in those same areas. But both sides agree (violently) that government's interests stop at their front door.

That's reflected in the link. Majority republican districts also support marijuana legalization. It's one of the few issues that seems to cross political affiliations.

As an aside, I think it's a similar political undercurrent that got President Trump elected. The political issues are more complex but at the end of the day folks want their government to simply govern. Maintain the peace, defend the country, protect the little guy, but stay out of our lives. President Trump seemed to represent that idea of government - focus on the things government should be doing, cut off the excess.

i personnaly could give a fuck if you smoke
A joint but I deal with this daily and you are an idiot if you think legalizing it will fix it. TS is spot on ref crime. CO has the stats to prove it.

[cedsall]

i personnaly could give a fuck if you smoke.

Exactly my point. Nor do I give a fuck what you do.

If we're going to compare the crime rate pre a and post legalization let's be sure to include the offset from no longer having to prosecute marijuana related drug crimes.

[SF_BHT]

Exactly my point. Nor do I give a fuck what you do.

If we're going to compare the crime rate pre a and post legalization let's be sure to include the offset from no longer having to prosecute marijuana related drug crimes.

You still do not get it. After they legalized it they still had Mexican cartels move in and still grow illegally and try to get in on the state approved programs. There are so many issues and I am not going to write a book to educate you.

Also it is illegal and the Fed Gov regulates that not the states so if I find you with a joint, bag etc you will get arrested. This Obama policy of well let's let the states do an experiment bullshit is just that. Mixed signals and that has just muddied the waters causing a lot of grey area.....

The biggest scam out there are the medical MJ businesses. They divert, falsify and the majority of their product does not go for "medical purposes".

[turboprop]

The biggest scam out there are the medical MJ businesses. They divert, falsify and the majority of their product does not go for "medical purposes".

Is this a more worthy adversary than pharmaceutical opioid business? For perspective, prescription opioid overdose killed more Americans last year than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, by a landslide.

You combine the prescription deaths with heroin ODs from last year and you get a number larger than all the US service-member deaths in Vietnam.

Before you buy off on the Reefer Madness tactics being used consider what is being protected by this diversion.

The same people (old money, big business pharma) have been magnifying their profits for years. Medical marijuana is a threat to the prescription pain-relief business. Consider side effects, probability of addiction, and price of an opium-based analgesic vs. marijuana from the perspective of the patient, then make the same considerations from the perspective of a pharmaceutical company.

So why again is the Attorney General focusing on pot in the midst of an opioid epidemic?

[Sohei]

Last year in Humboldt county a pot growing mecca of 130000 22 murders and over 300 missing dont bullshit me that pot is a harmless industry with no victims

Yep...just conducting the "business" end of dealing with pot is dangerous!

[cbtengr]

Is this a more worthy adversary than pharmaceutical opioid business? For perspective, prescription opioid overdose killed more Americans last year than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, by a landslide.

You combine the prescription deaths with heroin ODs from last year and you get a number larger than all the US service-member deaths in Vietnam.

Before you buy off on the Reefer Madness tactics being used consider what is being protected by this diversion.

The same people (old money, big business pharma) have been magnifying their profits for years. Medical marijuana is a threat to the prescription pain-relief business. Consider side effects, probability of addiction, and price of an opium-based analgesic vs. marijuana from the perspective of the patient, then make the same considerations from the perspective of a pharmaceutical company.

So why again is the Attorney General focusing on pot in the midst of an opioid epidemic?

Good news war on opioid abuse was declared back in October by Trump, Sessions supports it. Regarding overdose deaths, at the risk of sounding uncaring if you die of an overdose of heroin or some other controlled substance I really do not care.

Sessions: War on Opioids Is 'Winnable'

https://www.voanews.com/a/sessions-says-war-on-opioids-is-winnable/4089403.html

[Badger52]

Sessions: War on Opioids Is 'Winnable'
I'm sure they (Congress) will get behind that in an historic display of the spirit of bi-partisanship. 'Street' fentanyl will make a good public target (as well as over-prescribing VA physicians), while the pols continue to suck in the Big Pharma $$ & hopefully not triple the cost of someone's legitimate pain management regimen.

[GratefulCitizen]

The effective way to address the drug problem in this country is the creation of jobs which men like to do.
Unemployment/underemployment tends to affect men more negatively than women.

When the economy expands, the drug problem will shrink.
(Drug problem, not drug use in general...they aren't necessarily the same thing.)

The YouTube channel is kind of goofy, but he got a good Jordan Peterson clip.
https://youtu.be/Fg2IUBqvAKQ

[cbtengr]

The effective way to address the drug problem in this country is the creation of jobs which men like to do.
Unemployment/underemployment tends to affect men more negatively than women.

When the economy expands, the drug problem will shrink.
(Drug problem, not drug use in general...they aren't necessarily the same thing.)

The YouTube channel is kind of goofy, but he got a good Jordan Peterson clip.
https://youtu.be/Fg2IUBqvAKQ

This idea was run up the flagpole nearly 3 years ago, only it concerned the war on terror. Somehow I don't think job creation is the magic pill. No pun intended.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/02/18/state-dept-spokeswoman-defends-her-jobs-for-terrorists-argument-says-it-might-be-too-nuanced-for-some

Harf said Monday night that the U.S. can’t focus on killing terrorists, and instead needs to help them find work. She said the U.S. needs to get to the root cause of terrorism, which includes “lack of opportunity for jobs.”

[GratefulCitizen]

This idea was run up the flagpole nearly 3 years ago, only it concerned the war on terror. Somehow I don't think job creation is the magic pill. No pun intended.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/02/18/state-dept-spokeswoman-defends-her-jobs-for-terrorists-argument-says-it-might-be-too-nuanced-for-some

Harf said Monday night that the U.S. can’t focus on killing terrorists, and instead needs to help them find work. She said the U.S. needs to get to the root cause of terrorism, which includes “lack of opportunity for jobs.”



Not advocating a jobs program as a method to combat the drug problem.
Suggesting that an improved economy will create desirable jobs which, in turn, will diminish the drug problem.

Just looking at it from a larger systemic view, not really from a view of case-by-case.

WRT Trump enforcing federal drug laws, I suspect part of this is him creating an issue which can be used as a future bargaining chip.
Working with both sides of the isle, he could propose legislation where marijuana is classified on a different schedule, perhaps in exchange for some border wall funding to keep out "hard drugs".

Trump has a history of creating bargaining chips where they previously didn't exist.

[Sohei]

The drug trade won't go away because it allows people to make way too much money in way too short of a time. It's a lazy, victim, mindset.

After interviewing, interrogating, and jailing way too many dealers for my liking, they stick to the fact that they don't want to work because they will never earn the amount of money they do by dealing drugs. Simply put, they are lazy. The risk is worth the reward - in their minds.

In my AO, we are one of the most rapid growing cities in the nation. Our drug dealers haven't skipped a beat and we have more jobs here than we have ever had in my lifetime.

It's a lazy, victim mentality that permeates much of their thinking. Maybe not all -- but many.

[TrapperFrank]

I am glad to hear we have a "war" on opiods. But, I have questions. What happened to the "war" on meth? Wasn't meth supposed to paralyze the Appalachian region and the south? Whole communities were going to be decimated, a whole generation of children was going to grow up without parents, the government social services at all levels were supposed to collapsed. When did the "war" on meth end? What happened to the "wars" on crack, ice and a whole plethora of illegal substances?

[Team Sergeant]

I am glad to hear we have a "war" on opiods. But, I have questions. What happened to the "war" on meth? Wasn't meth supposed to paralyze the Appalachian region and the south? Whole communities were going to be decimated, a whole generation of children was going to grow up without parents, the government social services at all levels were supposed to collapsed. When did the "war" on meth end? What happened to the "wars" on crack, ice and a whole plethora of illegal substances?

My guess would be is that opioids are killing tens of thousands and meth is only making them the "living dead"............. and no one cares about the living dead. Besides, until ten "celebrity's" are found dead in a pool of their own vomit from meth use no one is going to give a shitte.

[rsdengler]

My guess would be is that opioids are killing tens of thousands and meth is only making them the "living dead"............. and no one cares about the living dead. Besides, until ten "celebrity's" are found dead in a pool of their own vomit from meth use no one is going to give a shitte.

LOL......Hummmmm.....I could think of a few "Useless Celeb's" that could be on the next vomit drug overdose death list.......but, who really cares....:munchin

There is a city called Elkton in Cecil County, Opioid Capital of Maryland...You cannot drive thru the area without seeing one of the "Opioid Walkers" as we call them walking the streets looking for hits....

[bblhead672]

LOL......Hummmmm.....I could think of a few "Useless Celeb's" that could be on the next vomit drug overdose death list.

From what I heard last night there was a big room full of useless celebs gathered together to self congratulate each other on how they performed their jobs playing pretend.

If the place would have collapsed and killed them all, I'd have celebrated.

[WarriorDiplomat]

There goes my dreams of being the Pot King of Calif.......;)

Going to be amusing to see how many arrests are made.







Attorney General Sessions to end Obama-era policy that let legal pot flourish
FOXNEWS

Attorney General Jeff Sessions plans to roll back an Obama-era policy that had allowed legal marijuana to thrive without federal intervention, Fox News confirmed Thursday.

The Obama administration back in 2013 announced via a memo from then-Deputy Attorney General James Cole that it would not obstruct states that legalized marijuana, on the condition the drug was not allowed to move to states where it was illegal and it was kept away from children and gangs.

Sessions is expected to announce that he will rescind that memo and instead leave it to U.S. attorneys in states where the drug is legal to decide to what extent they will enforce federal laws.

The Associated Press reported that the move will likely add to confusion among users and suppliers about whether they can grow, buy and sell marijuana in states -- as federal law bans it.

The government regards marijuana as a controlled dangerous substances, grouped together with drugs such as heroin. Sessions has blamed its increased use for spikes in violence in the U.S.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/04/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-to-end-policy-that-let-legal-pot-flourish.html

I have my opinions about legalization but if all the states are not gonna legalize it then none should....Colorado has always had it's fair share of liberals but these mountains were not explored by Grizzly Adams type liberals it was conquered by some badasses who felt it was our God given right as supreme beings to discover, explore and conquer the wilderness.....the limp wristed lefties just enjoy it but not enough to explore them they just get stoned and admire them.

My reason? Living in Colorado has gotten exponentially more crowded full of drug seeking a-holes and liberals....the cost of housing is through the roof....homeless are an even bigger issue than ever.....I now routinely patrol the park and riverbed by my house to make it inhospitable for them.......and liberal stupidity is at an all time high no pun intended....the Governor has suspended the legal death penalty while he is in office insulting the families of the victims of some extremely brutal crimes that have had their future legally determined in a court of law decision to be killed.....they claim that the cost of fighting repeals makes it cheaper to keep them in prison.....get rid of it's legal status and spread the retardation back out to where they came from....

The plus? Food sales are up

[Team Sergeant]

I've given up my dreams of being "Pot King of Calif". I'm just going to set up a "Discount Ammunition Sales" store in Arizona, just 5 miles from the Kalif border. ;)

[Streck-Fu]

Like with alcohol prohibition, the lifting of the ban, to be effective, must be nation wide. No longer are people making gin in bathtubs to supply the speakeasy downstairs and their are no longer gangs running booze getting into shoot out with revenuers... For a reason.

[Team Sergeant]

When the ultra-left wing starts reporting that dope is bad for you, you should take notice. Makes a strong case for the "triggered" snowflakes.

Save your pro dope retorts for the idiots.......





Cannabis users are more likely to feel deceived and alienated by others, study finds


*Marijuana users are significantly more likely to feel that others wish them harm
*Cannabis increases connectivity in the brain regions associated with psychosis
*Teenage users are particularly affected as their brains are still developing
*Brain activity could be monitored to determine users' mental health risks
*In the US, 44 percent of those aged 12 or over have used cannabis at some point

By Alexandra Thompson Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 10:24 EST, 17 January 2018 | Updated: 17:51 EST, 17 January 2018

Cannabis users are more likely to experience negative emotions, particularly feeling alienated from others, new research reveals.
People who use marijuana are significantly more likely to feel that others wish them harm or are deceiving them, a US study found.
Brain scans also reveal the class-B drug increases signal connectivity in regions of the brain that have previously been linked to psychosis, the research adds, which is associated with severe depression.
Teenage cannabis users are particularly affected as their brains are still developing, according to the researchers.
In the US, 44 percent of those aged 12 or over have used cannabis at some point in their lives.

cont:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5279825/Cannabis-users-likely-feel-deceived-others.html

[Ret10Echo]

Save your pro dope retorts for the idiots.......



Hah!

[Penn]

Son, the world changed, its a different place then I remmember...
The future is here, IN NJ, our New Governor want s raise the Tax on incomes > $500K, legalize weed, tax drug sales.

All politician are corrupt, Want the push to legalize drugs, taxes and a constituent base that is to numb to care.

https://www.aciconglomerated.com/
https://www.singlepoint.com/ Trade's as Sing
https://www.singlepoint.com/news-media/press-releases/detail/118/singlepoint-and-smart-cannabis-corp-sign-joint-venture-to

HVBTF

[Streck-Fu]

There significant health effect for both alcohol and tobacco use and you can cherry pick all kinds of studies to show that either legal substance causes similar effects. As a matter of policy, the war on drugs in general and Marijuana prohibition in particular are the benchmark of government failure.
It is not worth the time, money, expanding police state, nor risk to officers or citizens to perpetuate this failure.

[Team Sergeant]

There significant health effect for both alcohol and tobacco use and you can cherry pick all kinds of studies to show that either legal substance causes similar effects. As a matter of policy, the war on drugs in general and Marijuana prohibition in particular are the benchmark of government failure.
It is not worth the time, money, expanding police state, nor risk to officers or citizens to perpetuate this failure.

LOL

I've no idea where that came from......... but please keep smoking it.

You really want to argue alcohol when the subject is dope. Alcohol has been in widespread human use for over 10,000 years. We are well aware of the effects/dangers.

[cedsall]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/medical-marijuana-crime-study_n_5044397.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/13/heres-how-legal-pot-changed-colorado-and-washington/?utm_term=.42e38430d91b

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2017-05-22/pot-convictions-go-up-in-smoke-with-california-legalization

This is another topic that's been so politicized it's impossible to to get to ground truth on the actual effects of legalization.

[Team Sergeant]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/medical-marijuana-crime-study_n_5044397.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/13/heres-how-legal-pot-changed-colorado-and-washington/?utm_term=.42e38430d91b

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2017-05-22/pot-convictions-go-up-in-smoke-with-california-legalization

This is another topic that's been so politicized it's impossible to to get to ground truth on the actual effects of legalization.

let's see, huffingtonpost.com..... not even a news agency, just an ultra left-wing blog

washpost, more left wing diatribe

usnews.... another left-wing joke.

you need to expand your intel sources.

[Razor]

This is another topic that's been so politicized it's impossible to to get to ground truth on the actual effects of legalization.

Well, those of us living where its been legalized for several years could probably give you relevant info, but I'm guessing you don't want to hear it if it doesn't support your opinion.

[bblhead672]

Well, those of us living where its been legalized for several years could probably give you relevant info, but I'm guessing you don't want to hear it if it doesn't support your opinion.

My son recently visited Colorado. Previously he thought CO would be a great place to live - mountains, forests, legal dope. Upon his return he stated the rural/mountains are a beautiful place, but the dope heads who migrated from all over have made city life unattractive to someone who came in with fresh eyes to check it out.

[Box]

I'm confused here but since we are starting to jump the shark on the original thread topic, I'll continue with the highjack - but I will attempt to pull it BACK onto topic...

Documents aren't classified because they are a routine part of a Soldiers personal military records file - they are classified because they have been labeled as classified documents. Even something as simple as a counseling statement stops being "just a counseling statement" when it has an official classification stamped at the top and bottom of the document. Those documents contain classified information related to national security and generally stay that way for at least 25 years in most cases until they are either automatically declassified, or subject to additional laws.

Digital and electronic media are subject to all of the same handling and archival requirements as an ink and paper document and all final dispositions must still be adhered to. Many of the individual records contained within a Soldier's "record" file might be classified, but the DD214s which are generally considered "your record" once a service member retires, are not classified.

A laundry list of documents are nothing more than individually classified documents - they are not "the record" - I'm not sure how advertising the presence of classified documents within a service member's digital file is related to the politics of marijuana legality. If it is meant to metaphorically illustrate that things on the internet are not always as it seems, or to show that the semantics of what constitutes "classified records" are equally as fluid as published studies that show the positive or negative effects of a plant and its associated leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds when ingested into the human body via inhalation of the ignited fumes.

The politics of gun control, immigration, taxes, morality, foreign affairs, and in the case of the original topic of this thread - marijuana use - are all rooted in semantics and point of view:
-The same folks that want to legalize drugs for recreation use are the same ones that demonize cigarettes (even though most people have employed the recreational use of a wide range of tobacco products for thousands of years).
-The same folks that pander to vegetarians because killing animals is bad seem to look the other way when an activist studs a tree to impede the logging industry or spikes a hunting dogs food with ground glass.
-The same folks that think abortion is murder think the death penalty is justice
-The same folks that think cops cant be trusted are the same ones that think only cops should have guns

Politics is argumentative by nature and relies on opinion, semantics, and point of view- but facts are still facts - the sky is blue; water is wet; inhaling the ignited fumes of a burning plant and its associated leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds irritates the lungs, increases heart rate, and impairs child development during pregnancy....
...and it doesn't matter WHAT plant we are talking about, long term exposure to the smoke and associated chemicals produces negative health consequences - those are the facts.

So - back on topic: if marijuana is being used for truly medicinal purposes, there are two FDA approved medications that contain cannaboids: dronabinol and nabilone. These are both oral medications delivered in pill form.
The idea that grandma is getting an FDA approved prescription to smoke Snoop-Dog style fatties is pure fantasy - again, the only FDA approved cannaboids are in pill form.

Politics is based on a continuous cycle of arguments and conjecture, but facts are facts - there are no FDA approved studies that prove the medical efficacy of the inhaled ingestion of the leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds of the marijuana plant. Scientific studies HAVE produced factual results that show cannaboid chemicals appear to aid in the treatment of a limited range of symptoms associated with certain disease processes. However, when discussing the use of a big ole' fatty to fix grannies cataracts, according to the FDA, as of April 2017, the risks still outweigh the benefits.

A proponent of free-spirited marijuana use might argue that increased use of cannaboids is a better health risk than the continued use of 'dangerous' opioids and that is a fair argument but almost all other available studies are funded by special interest groups both for, AND against, the relaxed use of cannaboids. They are not FDA approved studies. Studies funded by an organization seeking a desired outcome can always ensure the results produce a desired outcome.

This entire debate is not because of the random inhaltion of the leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds of the marijuana plant on its own merit; it is the chemical, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) found in the marijuana plant that our friendly neighborhood, dope-smoking, hippy is chasing after. Without THC, marijuana would just be another type of tobacco that liberals want to ban from use
because of the children.

THC activates certain chemical receptors in the brain that are known to result in:
-altered senses: positive result if you are an abstract artist or writing lyrics for Pink Floyd; negative if you are driving a school bus with someone else's fucking kid sitting in the back
-altered sense of time: positive if you have nothing to do with your day, bad if someone is relying on you to complete a complex task on a set schedule
-changes in mood: good if you are an asshole and smoking some weed chills you the fuck out, not so good if it turns you into a real life version of Norville Rodgers.
-impaired body movement; difficulty with thinking and problem-solving; impaired memory; hallucinations; delusions; psychosis: a little (or a lot) of refer is good if you suffer from severe pain secondary to some unfortunate terminal illness ,and you aren't doing a lot of moving around to begin with. These same impairments are not so good if you are attempting to be a rational, productive member of society capable of clear thinking during "routine" work hours. In all fairness, these impairments are also not all that important if you are just a sponge living off of America's lucrative entitlement system; the friendly neighborhood, dope-smoking, hippy doesn't have the same degree of responsibility as a productive member of society, and besides: who am I to judge?


There is another angle to the medical aspect of the entire political discussion but it requires us to go back to that pesky thing known as "fact". The two primary cannaboids are THC and something called cannabidiol (CBD). THC increaeses appetite, reduces nausea, and relieves pain. Cancer patients using radiation therapy and immunocompromised HIV patients can certainly benefit from THC based cannaboids. Jesus, Mary, and Saint Joseph - lets get these people the treatment they need.

Poor arguments have been made that pregnant women can get relief from severe morning sickness by using THC based cannaboids; the problem is, there aren't too many doctors worth their weight in used condoms to recommend that mama take a few bong hits to knock the edge off of her morning sickness.

CBD can help reduce pain and inflammation, it helps control epileptic seizures, and is showing that it might even be helpful treating mental illness and addictions. It is avaialbe in a few other coutnries as nabiximol but doesnt yet have FDA approval for use in the United States. CBD does many of the same things as THC and is also being used to treat childhood epilepsy and loss of muscle control caused by multiple sclerosis. CBD and other purified cannaboid extracts are also showing that they may aid in the effectiveness of radiation therapy in some cancer patients but purified cannaboids like CBD don't get you "high"........

FUCK ME - CBD doesn't get you high?


What good is medical marijuana if it don't get you high? Well, now we are right back where we started - the political argument behind the "medical use" of the marijuana plant.
-Are you looking for a relatively safe, FDA approved cannaboid to treat a debilitation medical condition?
Talk to a doctor, there are FDA approved drugs that will do that very thing.
-Are you looking to ingest through inhalation, the leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds of the marijuana plant under the blanket of medical marijuana?
Talk to a politician, they will put laws in place to help you do that too.

...do you went medical treatment, or do you just want to get high? That is the real question here.



Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Team Sergeant]

cedsall

We're done playing stupid games. Don't post again about "classified" records.

[doctom54]

sola dosis facit venenum
Paracelsus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus)

[doctom54]

So we are back to square one. 99% of medical pot is for bullshit reasons that people want to get high. The other 1% that get real relief from it are being treated by a quack that should have their license to practice revoked.

Couple other points.

Same rules go for drunks

Yes I did use a narcotic for an example on purpose.

I would say 80% bullshit vs 20% benefit.

[Chucko]

The numbers may change but does not change the fact that, using your numbers 20% of the people with a real medical problem are not given proper directions and substandard medical care on their "medication" The doctors that swear an oath and have a DEA card as part of their job are violating federal law and their oath.

Think of it this way. When was the last time you got a prescription pain medication? What would you do if the doctor told you or your loved one that was injured and in sever pain said go take Oxycontin. Not how much, how often or how long just take some. Now add that some of the Oxy are 10mg and others are 100 mg. They are not marked how strong they are, they are just mixed in together so when you take a pill it is a random dose and no way to tell what the strength is. That is exactly what the medical marijuana prescriptions are.

Don't get me wrong. I am for legalize the shit for other reasons than I think it is healthy, but lets look at the issue and do a no shit analysis of the problem. BTW even if it was legal all over (it is in this state) I would not smoke it. I have made it over 50 years without the shit I can make it just fine the rest of my life.

That makes sense.
Med MJ needs to be regulated in specific doses for doctors to use it for specific outcomes. I don't know if that can happen, no expert.

I do know for a fact you can light up a MJ and it might have a minute effect for a short while, or almost none. You can grab a different one the next day and it will floor you for a few hours. How do you explain that to your boss when you just stepped out for a quicky and now you are stoned.

Explain that to Mr LEO when he pulls you over that it should not have affected you like that.

[Mustang Man]

Legal weed is the last thing our dumbed down Ameriburger population needs.

That being said. I hate Big Pharma and I love how threatened they are by legal weed. Some doctors nowadays are practically legal drug dealers for them. Big Pharma shoving Adderal, Oxcotiin, Anti-Depreants, and other "fine" drugs down America's throat has probably done as much damage if not more than what legal weed would do.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it good, just because something is illegal doesn't make it bad. Either way it's quite sad how dependant Americans are on legal and illegal drugs.