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Curiosity finally got me, I gave in and took the DNA test from 23andMe..
Results are about what I expected.. High North Western Europe percentage. Irish, Scotch, Swed..
Did miss on one, was always told my Mom's dad, Prosper Mazziott, was 100% Italian,, but only had a 2.1% hit?? :confused:
The Neanderthal markers were what I expected,, BUT you probably already know that?? .. :D
Has anyone, that took the test, tried to contact the suggested relatives?? They think I have several 1st cousins,, never heard of them..
:munchin
I have been in contact with a distant cousin just 50 miles from where I live. The funny thing it is his wife whom I am not a blood relative of who is the genealogist not him. She was able to fill in the blanks back to 1755 in Scotland. I had no surprises.
I have been in contact with a distant cousin just 50 miles from where I live. The funny thing it is his wife whom I am not a blood relative of who is the genealogist not him. She was able to fill in the blanks back to 1755 in Scotland. I had no surprises.
I might have to try a contact,, or several???
With all the Irish in my family, we weren't very productive of late. On my father's side, my G-pa had 6 brothers and sisters, 4 never had kids. Myself and one other cuz are all that survive, I am the only Johnson left.. On my Mom's side only three survive. Given that most were in their late 70t's to mid 80t's when they passed,, we have a Strange family..
:mad:
Team Sergeant
10-22-2017, 09:56
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)
rsdengler
10-22-2017, 10:57
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)
LOL....So does that mean you walk around with a club in your hand, wearing animal skin skimpy bottoms, and have a large cranial capacity? Man, that's way too Sexy.....Ha......:p
The wife gave me the test as a gift. I'm 99.99 Northern European of which nearly .50% is English and Irish. The rest is a mix of German-French-Scandanavian with .01 Sardinian. I'm guessing the long lost Sardinian was part of the legion that came across the channel with Ceasar. I think the test is cool and actually confirmed much of what I knew about my background. I haven't tried reaching out to extended family. Yes, I'm Neanderthal as well and can smell asparagus.:)
Had a good friend do this someplace...and he did the a high end expensive very exacting deal.....and they indicated possible relatives.
Turns our Granny had some extra curricular activities because some of the 'relatives' are known to them as one of her neighbors back in the day....
You never know what you'll run into....
mojaveman
10-23-2017, 03:49
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
That's what I was thinking, it would explain some of my behavior when I was younger. :D
My daughter did it old school when she was in college and most lines faded away in the 1800's but she was able to trace my great grandparents on my mothers side back to their home town in Norway - we knew where they came from.
From that she was able to track - after getting used to how they named kids - back to the mid 1300's.
Couple of years ago she did 23andme without the DNA test and pushed that line back to 1152. Got one Swedish lady married into the family a few years after that.
She broke out her iPhone at supper last night and it was a hoot looking through the links. It confirmed what she had did the hard way but there were some surprises.
I knew my dad's mom was the German in the tree but her tree was also full of Norwegians.
My daughter and SIL did the DNA test a bit ago and are waiting on the results.
She was contacted by a descendant of my great grandfather's brother in Norway who sent her a bunch of family lore from the area.
Me and the wife are going to get it done.
Received a note from 23andme, seems they do recalc's and updates every so often.
They found a couple more "relatives", but the best match is only 4-5 %, suggesting 2-3rd cuz. Thinking I may try to contact the top 3 or 4 for shits-n-giggles.
I did get more info on my Irish lineage. I am a direct descendant of King Niall Noígíallach, aka: Niall of the Nine Hostages, Northern Ireland around 400AD. :lifter
When he conquered the realm, he personally took it upon himself to impregnate as many maidens as available. They estimated 2-3 MILLION male descendants are walking about. :D
I also noticed I am some small part Native American and Asian. :eek: I have no idea where that comes from?? I just hope I'm not related to Pocahontas Warren :mad:
JJ same here. I believed I was kind of a mutt as I didn't know jack about my dad's side of the family. Turns out I am almost all Irish with a very tiny location of England and a freakish amount of Neanderthal. Explains a LOT of things....
JJ same here. I believed I was kind of a mutt as I didn't know jack about my dad's side of the family. Turns out I am almost all Irish with a very tiny location of England and a freakish amount of Neanderthal. Explains a LOT of things....
This it does,
Cuz :D
Interesting stuff....watch out for paternity suits...they spread your DNA around to 'relatives'... :)
Trapper John
03-24-2018, 09:19
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;)
Long lost cousins we are?? Mine came back pure Hillbilly. Just an evolutionary branch of Neanderthal. :D
Came back 63% Scandinavian and 36% NW European.
Less than 1% of other stuff.
Our family tree is heavy Scandinavian but some German on my father's mother's side of the tree.
I did get more info on my Irish lineage. I am a direct descendant of King Niall Noígíallach, aka: Niall of the Nine Hostages, Northern Ireland around 400AD. :lifter
Guess that makes us cousins of sorts JJ ;)
If anyone wants to get more bang for the buck you can upload your RAW file to GEDmatch which will allow you to match with others who used different services, and if you would like to see how your DNA relates to your health you can upload to promethease.com.
We did the DNA
Southern European 45.8%
Italian 24.4%
Balkan 2.6%
Broadly Southern European 18.9%
Northwestern European 43.4%
British & Irish 13.2%
French & German 7.7%
Scandinavian 0.7%
Broadly Northwestern European 21.9
Eastern Europe 2.1%
A little bit of less that 1% of some other DNA too. (Sub Sarahan African, South Asian and Ashkenazi Jewish)
We did the DNA
Southern European 45.8%
Italian 24.4%
Balkan 2.6%
Broadly Southern European 18.9%
Northwestern European 43.4%
British & Irish 13.2%
French & German 7.7%
Scandinavian 0.7%
Broadly Northwestern European 21.9
Eastern Europe 2.1%
A little bit of less than 1% of some other DNA too. (Sub Sarahan African, South Asian and Ashkenazi Jewish)
I didn't get that hit, but of the top 10 "near relatives", 3 did. Not sure how that works, but given that some DNA lineage can go back 1000+ yrs....
I didn't get that hit, but of the top 10 "near relatives", 3 did. Not sure how that works, but given that some DNA lineage can go back 1000+ yrs....
I have no knowledge of any Jewish relatives, like you said these tests can go back many many moons! One of my brothers is the genealogist in the family, but he's been busy of late. I'd love to see how far back we can trace.
Noah Werka
03-25-2018, 13:25
For what it is worth.
Call me Paranoid...we all know how and what Google does-collect and hoard data. Well, duh..." Consider the case of Google...(One of the founders of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki, is presently married to Sergei Brin, the founder of Google.)...as we now know, the fundamental purpose of the company wasn’t to help us search, but to hoard information."
No reason to think 23andme (https://www.23andme.com) is any different. I'll pass.
Old but still valid (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for-the-reasons-the-fda-thinks/)
Noah W
bblhead672
03-25-2018, 15:01
For what it is worth.
Call me Paranoid...we all know how and what Google does-collect and hoard data. Well, duh..." Consider the case of Google...(One of the founders of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki, is presently married to Sergei Brin, the founder of Google.)...as we now know, the fundamental purpose of the company wasn’t to help us search, but to hoard information."
No reason to think 23andme (https://www.23andme.com) is any different. I'll pass.
Old but still valid (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for-the-reasons-the-fda-thinks/)
Noah W
Call me paranoid too. I'm not willingly submitting a DNA sample to be stored in a NSA fusion center database...oops, I mean Google's database...oops I mean 23&Me's database. Now that I've read the Scientific American article I'm sure I never will.
That was my line of thought as well - hence why I don't use social media. BUT...being in the military for 36 years, if you think you're data isn't all over the world in various repositories, you're mistaken. At this point, I figure the dems and their liberal ilk will be fighting over which re-education camp to put me in when they gain total power. So....screw it.
But then again, their propensity to be nancy-boys (hand-wringing, bed-wetting poodle-walkers) with no sperm production and the undeniable urge for hair products means they are going to need a few of us around for perpetuation of the species. So, in my best "Carl the groundskeeper voice": "I've got that going for me."
A little throw-back,, Uncle started collecting DNA from the troops in 1992....
Genetic Record to Be Kept on Members of Military
The Defense Department said today that it would establish a repository of genetic information on all American service members as a new way of identifying future casualties of war.
Samples of DNA, the basic material of heredity, will be obtained from blood and oral swabs. The samples will be added to existing fingerprint, dental and other records to produce a more comprehensive way of identifying the remains of war dead, said the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which proposed the initiative.
"The establishment of this repository may very well mean that we will no longer have an 'unknown soldier' from future battle casualties," said Maj. Victor Weedn of the Army, chief of the institute's Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory.
Federal Mandates for Healthcare: Digital Record-Keeping Requirements for Public and Private Healthcare Providers
As a part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, all public and private healthcare providers and other eligible professionals (EP) were required to adopt and demonstrate “meaningful use” of electronic medical records (EMR) by January 1, 2014 in order to maintain their existing Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement levels. Since that date, the use of electronic medical and health records has spread worldwide and shown its many benefits to health organizations everywhere.
https://www.usfhealthonline.com/resources/healthcare/electronic-medical-records-mandate/
It's to late to worry about IF they get your DNA..
Streck-Fu
03-27-2018, 05:01
A little throw-back,, Uncle started collecting DNA from the troops in 1992....
I remember having to go into medical as a unit for them to do the DNA draw.
And IIRC the held military data has been used more than once in criminal cases.
Yeah, they got mine way back when also.
DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/whos-keeping-your-data-safe-dna-banks-261136.html
Sooner than later DNA testing will be a regular part of medical testing for 'everyone' because it will offer physicians and insurance companies a preview into your future health.
DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/whos-keeping-your-data-safe-dna-banks-261136.html
Sooner than later DNA testing will be a regular part of medical testing for 'everyone' because it will offer physicians and insurance companies a preview into your future health.
PedOncoDoc
03-27-2018, 07:14
DNA testing is done on every newborn in the US, and this has been going on for sometime.
If you're referring to newborn screening then yes, genetic testing is being done on all hospital-born newborns. This is testing for specific genetic diseases for which treatment needs to begin in the newborn period (e.g. enzyme deficiencies, immune defects, etc.) To my knowledge, there are no state-sponsored whole genome sequencing programs for newborns.
If you're referring to newborn screening then yes, genetic testing is being done on all hospital-born newborns. This is testing for specific genetic diseases for which treatment needs to begin in the newborn period (e.g. enzyme deficiencies, immune defects, etc.) To my knowledge, there are no state-sponsored whole genome sequencing programs for newborns.
The key phrase is 'to my knowledge'.
When you consider that we are spied on by our government 24/7/365 in all kinds of seemingly innocuous manners, it would be no surprise to find the Fed's have a massive DNA database they have obtained through visits to the doctors office.
I took the test as a joke to prove I could get an Obama phone ( came back 1%)... Anyway, stated I had two 1st cousins. Contacted one of them, we chatted, they sent me names of "family"..... Then I told them truth be told I was adopted and didn't truly find out until I was 38 years old..... "very interesting"....
A week later, (I did give the lady my birth name, date and mothers name) received an e-mail with names of relatives in Louisville, Ky....
Because of the test I met my 99 year old maternal grandmother, three Aunts, two Uncles, two half sisters and a half brother...... my Grandmother dies at 101 and 2 months.... she was a pistol.
As far as what you've been told all your life, take the test, you might be surprised what you find out..... For me it was and is worth it... Good Luck, CSM-H
I took the test as a joke to prove I could get an Obama phone ( came back 1%)... Anyway, stated I had two 1st cousins. Contacted one of them, we chatted, they sent me names of "family"..... Then I told them truth be told I was adopted and didn't truly find out until I was 38 years old..... "very interesting"....
A week later, (I did give the lady my birth name, date and mothers name) received an e-mail with names of relatives in Louisville, Ky....
Because of the test I met my 99 year old maternal grandmother, three Aunts, two Uncles, two half sisters and a half brother...... my Grandmother dies at 101 and 2 months.... she was a pistol.
As far as what you've been told all your life, take the test, you might be surprised what you find out..... For me it was and is worth it... Good Luck, CSM-H
A great story CSM !
Last hard class
04-26-2018, 17:50
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dna-golden-state-killer-20180426-story.html
The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.
LHC
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dna-golden-state-killer-20180426-story.html
The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.
LHC
For the time being I am not going to feel to bad as to just how this POS was caught. When the powers to be take that info and start rounding people up because let's say they have blue eyes then I may get concerned.
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dna-golden-state-killer-20180426-story.html
The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.
LHC
Well, the case was probably so cold as to be in a deep freezer. Actor Patton Oswalt's (Justified) late wife, Michelle McNamara, chased the case and wrote a novel, I'll be Gone in the Dark, that re-opened the case. They probably just used current tech to cover the fact that they had dropped the case.
Still . . .
I was born in Baltimore....................
Team Sergeant
04-26-2018, 20:35
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dna-golden-state-killer-20180426-story.html
The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.
LHC
Blade Runner.......... 2018 That's a smart thinking cop.
WarriorDiplomat
05-22-2018, 18:47
Curiosity finally got me, I gave in and took the DNA test from 23andMe..
Results are about what I expected.. High North Western Europe percentage. Irish, Scotch, Swed..
Did miss on one, was always told my Mom's dad, Prosper Mazziott, was 100% Italian,, but only had a 2.1% hit?? :confused:
The Neanderthal markers were what I expected,, BUT you probably already know that?? .. :D
Has anyone, that took the test, tried to contact the suggested relatives?? They think I have several 1st cousins,, never heard of them..
:munchin
So doing some research into my own family tree led me to look for an answer that my father in law answered a retired professor but before that a molecular geneticist Phd in a cancer research institute....my mother is Swedish but my dads 1/4 native American which does not show up in DNA test for myself or himself so I had to ask to confirm my own research.....it was explained in laymans terms for me their are 2 main DNA types tested by these companies the Y-DNA, and the MtDNA as laid out in a link analysis it looks like this a man hands down the Y-DNA directly from father to son only that will only pass down to his son and so forth not from his daughter to her sons the daughter will only pass own the fathers Y within the G-nome but the Y will come from that childs father the MtDNA will only pass down from the mother to the daughter and to that daughters daughter and so forth. My daughters will and do have many Swedish characteristics and physical traits but none carry her Mt so Swedish or Native would never show up in their tests.
My Fathers mothers, father his grandfather the only one he knew was a full blooded Indian off a reservation but since it was his mother father their is no Y or Mt passed on from him and will never show in a Y or a Mt test the only way to prove this is the G-nome of an individual would need to be decoded to find out the truetraits that make us...us. My Gmother looked like a blue eyed Indian and my father though blonde as a kid started to take on some of his grandfathers physical characteristics of being Indian....but no matter how true it is their is no way to prove through DNA he shares the same DNA without the Gnome his own native heritage will be unknown.....going off the Y my surname is deeply rooted in the Viking gene.
What these tests boils down to is a bigger mystery given the Y goes from your father to his to his and so on and your Mt goes from your mother to her mother and so on but what is not seen in these tests without the Gnome being tore apart are the generations that are not in your direct Y or Mt lines which is most of our DNA which doubles every generation back the parents the 4 grandparents the 8 great grandparents then 16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 and so on....10 generations back you will have 1024 direct descendants of just those 10 generations only 10 men in the fathers direct line will share the Y and 10 women in a females direct line will share the Mt in the 10th generation to the direct female that leaves in every generation unaccounted for majority DNA so if we add up all the direct descendants minus the Y and Mt we end up with 20 out of 2032 and 2012 descendants heredity unknown by those tests.
Autosomal DNA is the new stuff and that is what the data bases are going to to do what they claim to do and that is to connect subscribers to relatives in a broader sense as in anyone who shares DNA....the father and the mother pass down DNA to a child in which the new DNA of the child will go through a recombination which allows us the differences between siblings as each will have its own recombination-ed DNA to allow for uniqueness as in traits physical, personality and responses to external stimuli etc....(The first steps of genetic drift and evolution sort-of how it starts out) essentially it is a more complete picture of your heredity as it will link you outwards to distant cousins in the same family tree but not just in the linear all the way back MtDNA for example will stay unchanged for up to 200 generations the Mt or Y. In my case the Autosomal tests would reveal the ancestors missing in the Mt and the Y (the majority) at least back a few generations but again it would take a reverse engineering of the G-nome to unlock the complete data.
copied
50% (parents and siblings)
25% (grandparents, aunts/uncles, half-siblings, double first-cousins)
12.5% (first cousins)
6.25% (first cousins, once removed)
3.125 (second cousins, first cousins twice removed)
0.781% (third cousins)
0.195% (fourth cousins)
Depending on the complexity of your DNA if your family tree goes in a straight lie that would leave your DNA relatively untouched and the recombination effect very little impact in comparison and therefore the tests would go farther back in generations....however the heinz 57 all american will not be able to go back very far due to the recombination no longer carry certain DNA from ancestors. I think something to remember in these things is how new the science is and how many humans have existed prior.
So doing some research into my own family tree led me to look for an answer that my father in law answered a retired professor but before that a molecular geneticist Phd in a cancer research institute....my mother is Swedish but my dads 1/4 native American which does not show up in DNA test for myself or himself so I had to ask to confirm my own research.....it was explained in laymans terms for me their are 2 main DNA types tested by these companies the Y-DNA, and the MtDNA as laid out in a link analysis it looks like this a man hands down the Y-DNA directly from father to son only that will only pass down to his son and so forth not from his daughter to her sons the daughter will only pass own the fathers Y within the G-nome but the Y will come from that childs father the MtDNA will only pass down from the mother to the daughter and to that daughters daughter and so forth. My daughters will and do have many Swedish characteristics and physical traits but none carry her Mt so Swedish or Native would never show up in their tests.
My Fathers mothers, father his grandfather the only one he knew was a full blooded Indian off a reservation but since it was his mother father their is no Y or Mt passed on from him and will never show in a Y or a Mt test the only way to prove this is the G-nome of an individual would need to be decoded to find out the truetraits that make us...us. My Gmother looked like a blue eyed Indian and my father though blonde as a kid started to take on some of his grandfathers physical characteristics of being Indian....but no matter how true it is their is no way to prove through DNA he shares the same DNA without the Gnome his own native heritage will be unknown.....going off the Y my surname is deeply rooted in the Viking gene.
What these tests boils down to is a bigger mystery given the Y goes from your father to his to his and so on and your Mt goes from your mother to her mother and so on but what is not seen in these tests without the Gnome being tore apart are the generations that are not in your direct Y or Mt lines which is most of our DNA which doubles every generation back the parents the 4 grandparents the 8 great grandparents then 16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 and so on....10 generations back you will have 1024 direct descendants of just those 10 generations only 10 men in the fathers direct line will share the Y and 10 women in a females direct line will share the Mt in the 10th generation to the direct female that leaves in every generation unaccounted for majority DNA so if we add up all the direct descendants minus the Y and Mt we end up with 20 out of 2032 and 2012 descendants heredity unknown by those tests.
Autosomal DNA is the new stuff and that is what the data bases are going to to do what they claim to do and that is to connect subscribers to relatives in a broader sense as in anyone who shares DNA....the father and the mother pass down DNA to a child in which the new DNA of the child will go through a recombination which allows us the differences between siblings as each will have its own recombination-ed DNA to allow for uniqueness as in traits physical, personality and responses to external stimuli etc....(The first steps of genetic drift and evolution sort-of how it starts out) essentially it is a more complete picture of your heredity as it will link you outwards to distant cousins in the same family tree but not just in the linear all the way back MtDNA for example will stay unchanged for up to 200 generations the Mt or Y. In my case the Autosomal tests would reveal the ancestors missing in the Mt and the Y (the majority) at least back a few generations but again it would take a reverse engineering of the G-nome to unlock the complete data.
copied
50% (parents and siblings)
25% (grandparents, aunts/uncles, half-siblings, double first-cousins)
12.5% (first cousins)
6.25% (first cousins, once removed)
3.125 (second cousins, first cousins twice removed)
0.781% (third cousins)
0.195% (fourth cousins)
Depending on the complexity of your DNA if your family tree goes in a straight lie that would leave your DNA relatively untouched and the recombination effect very little impact in comparison and therefore the tests would go farther back in generations....however the heinz 57 all american will not be able to go back very far due to the recombination no longer carry certain DNA from ancestors. I think something to remember in these things is how new the science is and how many humans have existed prior.
I wonder if a Big-Y test on FtDNA might give you better answers on the Native American?
WarriorDiplomat
05-23-2018, 14:02
I wonder if a Big-Y test on FtDNA might give you better answers on the Native American?
No they can't the state of ability right now and the recombination of DNA every generation more than likely will not pick up a direct link the direct link is basically only useful if others are also doing their Y and Mt at which the Autosomal testing would make it possible to speak with known genetic relatives and look at their Y or Mt linkage......their are for me too many degrees of separation. My point is I know he was my GGF and that he was native american what tribe?? he was a child when taken and given a white mans name of George Washington Jordan from Oklahoma he had no sons so their will be no Y carrier that the Y was passed to. I was just passing on the reality of these tests they leave out most of your ancestry because they simply do not have the ability nor the data(DNA)of every person to link you too them....the companies are selling a product without the education to understand the complexity of DNA mapping the reason they are going to the Autosomal to simply link you with close to distant blood relatives as far out as a 4th or 5th cousin....filling in the gaps of the Y and Mt lines are on you and your relatives to do the testing and then you would need to link them up. As of right now an individual can only trace his Y and his Mt back for generations so if the NAZI's were looking for DNA proof of my Aryanism then according to the Y and Mt I am 100% Nordic but in reality.....my genealogy shows much more but myself and 8 siblings all inherited Nordic physical traits.
No they can't the state of ability right now and the recombination of DNA every generation more than likely will not pick up a direct link the direct link is basically only useful if others are also doing their Y and Mt at which the Autosomal testing would make it possible to speak with known genetic relatives and look at their Y or Mt linkage......their are for me too many degrees of separation. My point is I know he was my GGF and that he was native american what tribe?? he was a child when taken and given a white mans name of George Washington Jordan from Oklahoma he had no sons so their will be no Y carrier that the Y was passed to. I was just passing on the reality of these tests they leave out most of your ancestry because they simply do not have the ability nor the data(DNA)of every person to link you too them....the companies are selling a product without the education to understand the complexity of DNA mapping the reason they are going to the Autosomal to simply link you with close to distant blood relatives as far out as a 4th or 5th cousin....filling in the gaps of the Y and Mt lines are on you and your relatives to do the testing and then you would need to link them up. As of right now an individual can only trace his Y and his Mt back for generations so if the NAZI's were looking for DNA proof of my Aryanism then according to the Y and Mt I am 100% Nordic but in reality.....my genealogy shows much more but myself and 8 siblings all inherited Nordic physical traits.
Maybe someday they will make it possible to find the direct link.
I never was all that interested in the ethnic side of DNA, but I have read quite a few threads were people's heads are spinning because one service differs from another. In fact my Sister-in-Law was freaking out because her sister/my wife had far more German...I think it crossed her mind her Mom may have had an affair :D She also thought that she and my wife would have received 'equal' shares of their parents DNA.
Autosomal is much more enjoyable than FTDNA's Y or Mt, or 23&me's health report. I have found a previously unknown half sister, a long lost Aunt who was abandoned in Ohio around 1861, put together a very comprehensive family tree and helped several adoptees track down their bio families. But you are correct that the services are selling a product and don't offer much education on the subject.
As for ethnic origins, our paternal line qualifies as Irish, they migrated to the US from County Tyrone, Ireland, however prior to Ireland the family lived in France. My Dad's mother was full-blooded Swede, her parents moved to the US from Sweden, however the vast majority of DNA matches with the same surname are German and Dutch, and if you go back far enough there appears to be a touch of European Jew. And back to my Sis-in-Law, a lot of their surname kin had Eastern European's origins not German.
WarriorDiplomat
05-24-2018, 18:55
Maybe someday they will make it possible to find the direct link.
I never was all that interested in the ethnic side of DNA, but I have read quite a few threads were people's heads are spinning because one service differs from another. In fact my Sister-in-Law was freaking out because her sister/my wife had far more German...I think it crossed her mind her Mom may have had an affair :D She also thought that she and my wife would have received 'equal' shares of their parents DNA.
Autosomal is much more enjoyable than FTDNA's Y or Mt, or 23&me's health report. I have found a previously unknown half sister, a long lost Aunt who was abandoned in Ohio around 1861, put together a very comprehensive family tree and helped several adoptees track down their bio families. But you are correct that the services are selling a product and don't offer much education on the subject.
As for ethnic origins, our paternal line qualifies as Irish, they migrated to the US from County Tyrone, Ireland, however prior to Ireland the family lived in France. My Dad's mother was full-blooded Swede, her parents moved to the US from Sweden, however the vast majority of DNA matches with the same surname are German and Dutch, and if you go back far enough there appears to be a touch of European Jew. And back to my Sis-in-Law, a lot of their surname kin had Eastern European's origins not German.
Well and that is another discussion as well DNA data bases based off what their is only traces your DNA back to where the majority has been found given the limited amount of info they actually have....but back to what you were saying about the surname it is the same as mine my surname the Y is deeply connected to Vikings or the Viking gene but to illustrate if the Viking age ended in say 1200 well that is but one direct line and like I said if a generation happens every 20 yrs then 10 generations would be 200 yrs and as I said earlier that is 1024 gggggggggrandparents and 1 parent of which 10 of those have the surname and the same Y...its the 1014 or not counting my mothers MtDNA....1004 that have contributed to my DNA...however the mystery is how complete is my DNA strand how much has been lost through recombination and how many traits, behaviors and characteristics are inherited.
SO having said all that my heritage is what I was raised in an American my ancestry comes from possibly everywhere the Vikings were known for assimilating conquered cultures around Europe and as far down as Crimea down the Volga river....Genghis Khan and his warriors spread their DNA every place they conquered and the Ottomans and the Romans etc......the Spaniards my ancestor John Rolf shared his with Pocahontas roughly 18-20 generations back....Cultures have fought, killed, assimilated, raped and spread its own culture and unique traits for as long as man has existed and have been able to travel. The Germans had the standard of tracing ancestry back to 1800 which is actually on line with recombination of genetics which is amazing given the lack of understanding of genetics at that time.
Remington Raidr
05-24-2018, 23:02
I took the test too, came back pure Neanderthal.
;) Says You:D
mojaveman
05-28-2018, 22:03
Not ready to give a DNA sample to anyone yet but my brother did so:
Northwest European 53.3%
British Irish 26.7%
French German 15.2%
Scandinavian 1.4%
Finish .4%
Eastern European 38.5%
Southern European 4.8%
Balkan 1.1%
Iberian 1%
Sub Saharan African .1% :D
PedOncoDoc
05-29-2018, 07:35
Not ready to give a DNA sample to anyone yet but my brother did so:
Northwest European 53.3 %
British Irish 26.7%
French German 15.2%
Scandinavian 1.4%
Finish .4%
Eastern European 38.5%
Southern European 4.8%
Balkan 1.1%
Iberian 1%
Sub Saharan African .1% :D
Watch yours only half-match his. :p
:D
Last hard class
05-30-2018, 12:51
Watch yours only half-match his. :p
:D
I watched a show awhile back that stated 1 out of 8 people are mistaken about who they identify as their genetic father.
If true, that means there are a whole lot of us here who would get that result.
LHC
PedOncoDoc
05-30-2018, 13:03
I watched a show awhile back that stated 1 out of 8 people are mistaken about who they identify as their genetic father.
If true, that means there are a whole lot of us here who would get that result.
LHC
In my random sampling of the population on which I obtain blood for HLA-typing (you get half from mom and half from dad) I find this number to be overexaggerated. Of course, we don't type fathers that are not available/involved, and populations in whom women have multiple children with different fathers may be the reason for that statistic....
However the mystery is how complete is my DNA strand how much has been lost through recombination and how many traits, behaviors and characteristics are inherited.
Cultures have fought, killed, assimilated, raped and spread its own culture and unique traits for as long as man has existed and have been able to travel.
So what your saying is liberals do not like your DNA strand.
Are you racist against their DNA ?
New trend #DontHateMyDNA
WarriorDiplomat
05-31-2018, 18:29
So what your saying is liberals do not like your DNA strand.
Are you racist against their DNA ?
New trend #DontHateMyDNA
Well it seems if I denounce my white side I will be accepted if liberals take over....after all the white liberals all seem to hate the color of their own skin....oh wait I can identify as a man of color oh jeez am I having racial dysphoria.
And look how they caught The Golden State Killer.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-dna-golden-state-killer-20180426-story.html
The public will eventually lose more individual rights because of this technology and the databases built from it.
LHC
This company is a massive operation to collect genetic information then front load it into other collections databases. And it is doing all kinds of brute force science with your genetic information which it reserves the right to do as well as use your personal information whether you like it or not.
Keep in mind that one of the founders of 123andMe, Anne Wojcicki is/was married to Sergei Brin the founder of Google. Google of course collects data and stores that into folders with our ID on them indefinitely.
The interesting thing is pioneering facial recognition software can already tell if people are heterosexual, gay, conservative, liberal, their IQ, and criminal disposition. All just from 1 photo with high accuracy. In the very, very near future some people will or wont get a job interview (not that anyone will admit it but many already use online personality screens during the application process). Pair that with genome data and entire family trees might not get high end jobs, privileges (like home loans), health insurance, be denied military service ie 4F.
It would take a very engaged population to keep all of this in check. Based upon human history, being ruled in its entirety with the brief exception of America, Im concerned for the pro-freedom camp.
WarriorDiplomat
06-10-2018, 22:28
This company is a massive operation to collect genetic information then front load it into other collections databases. And it is doing all kinds of brute force science with your genetic information which it reserves the right to do as well as use your personal information whether you like it or not.
Keep in mind that one of the founders of 123andMe, Anne Wojcicki is/was married to Sergei Brin the founder of Google. Google of course collects data and stores that into folders with our ID on them indefinitely.
The interesting thing is pioneering facial recognition software can already tell if people are heterosexual, gay, conservative, liberal, their IQ, and criminal disposition. All just from 1 photo with high accuracy. In the very, very near future some people will or wont get a job interview (not that anyone will admit it but many already use online personality screens during the application process). Pair that with genome data and entire family trees might not get high end jobs, privileges (like home loans), health insurance, be denied military service ie 4F.
It would take a very engaged population to keep all of this in check. Based upon human history, being ruled in its entirety with the brief exception of America, Im concerned for the pro-freedom camp.
True Google analytics as ingenious as it is does exactly as you say today they sell our habitual interests of subjects and in turn we get ads this same data is used to drive consumers for the companies willing to pay for the data.....my wife was always amazed at how those damn ads seemed to read her mind....now she knows....the fear all should have is the use of this data for insight into better social engineering by political candidates and the government....sure it would make life easier in some ways but free choice will no longer be part of the equation and people will have no idea that everything they see and do is carefully staged from data of their own habitual online interests.
As far as 23 and me and the google connection this is terrifying scientist have already been able to manipulate DNA to a limited end and their is research funded by the DOD on DNA of a perfect soldier....I am reminded of the movie by Kurt Russell Soldier in which he was carefully selected and trained to be a superior soldier until the new soldiers who were genetically superior because of advances in gene manipulation.....imagine the end of mankind once a G-Nome and its myriad of combinations are decoded and can be recombined at will for whatever traits they desire.
Teloyears is an interesting DNA testing outfit:
https://www.teloyears.com/home/index.html
It can run your ancestry data, but it can also do one better which is measure the length of your telomeres, which are like the caps on the end of your shoelaces to keep them from fraying, but for your DNA strands.
Telomere length plays a considerable role in cell/organism aging.
One of the co-founders(DR Elizabeth Blackburn) of the company shared the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2009 for telomerace/telomere discovery and research.
She has a pretty solid book I’ve read:
https://www.amazon.com/Telomere-Effect-Revolutionary-Approach-Healthier-ebook/dp/B01F1UD66S/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
They also offer consulting services and supplements with a money back guarantee for lengthening telomeres over a 6 month period.
Pretty simple advice. But nice to have a potentially very worthwhile form of aging measurement.
Eat well, stay mobile and fit, get sufficient sound sleep, and reduce stress. Not rocket science.
But there’s legit science behind the telomere length/aging for various test species as well as a growing number of human studies.
It’s worth keeping an eye on.
True Google analytics as ingenious as it is does exactly as you say today they sell our habitual interests of subjects and in turn we get ads this same data is used to drive consumers for the companies willing to pay for the data.....my wife was always amazed at how those damn ads seemed to read her mind....now she knows....the fear all should have is the use of this data for insight into better social engineering by political candidates and the government....sure it would make life easier in some ways but free choice will no longer be part of the equation and people will have no idea that everything they see and do is carefully staged from data of their own habitual online interests.
As far as 23 and me and the google connection this is terrifying scientist have already been able to manipulate DNA to a limited end and their is research funded by the DOD on DNA of a perfect soldier....I am reminded of the movie by Kurt Russell Soldier in which he was carefully selected and trained to be a superior soldier until the new soldiers who were genetically superior because of advances in gene manipulation.....imagine the end of mankind once a G-Nome and its myriad of combinations are decoded and can be recombined at will for whatever traits they desire.
Check out CRISPR.
Enzyme “knife” used to precisely cut out and replace genes.
In actual use for yoghurt yeast.
Can be used to turn off mosquito disease dissemination.
Expanding human potential for good could be limitless.
But of course the ability to weaponize CRISPR is a very real and legit fear.
Not just intentional weaponisation, but accidental grey goo.
...which are like the caps on the end of your shoelaces to keep them from fraying...
Aglets. ;) I worked in a shoe store in junior high and high school.
The Reaper
06-11-2018, 11:58
The military has required servicemember DNA samples since the early 1990s.
Allegedly for identification of otherwise unknown remains, many resisted the requirement, suspecting that it would be data for Big Brother to use for any purpose he deemed necessary.
That suspicion has subsequently proven to be correct.
TR
The military has required servicemember DNA samples since the early 1990s.
Allegedly for identification of otherwise unknown remains, many resisted the requirement, suspecting that it would be data for Big Brother to use for any purpose he deemed necessary.
That suspicion has subsequently proven to be correct.
TR
Have US military DNA samples been used for criminal investigations?
It’s my understanding that with a few of the commercial DNA databases that a criminal suspect him/herself doesn’t necessarily need to have any DNA testing done, but if parents/siblings/children are tested and compared against crime scene evidence can be more than enough to incriminate suspects and compel DNA testing.
So i guess the issue goes beyond just trying to protect your own Genone from public scrutiny, but that of your entire bloodline.
WarriorDiplomat
06-11-2018, 14:08
Check out CRISPR.
Enzyme “knife” used to precisely cut out and replace genes.
In actual use for yoghurt yeast.
Can be used to turn off mosquito disease dissemination.
Expanding human potential for good could be limitless.
But of course the ability to weaponize CRISPR is a very real and legit fear.
Not just intentional weaponisation, but accidental grey goo.
I actually find it interesting the science is fascinating but wonder if the science is interfering with natural adaption that genes do when they evolve to survive....what will nature do in response to the acceleration nature will always find a way to survive even if it has to go through another ice age after volcanic eruptions etc.....and thousands of years it will.
Weaponization of it is a realistic fear and should cause pause when we think about genetically modified people being better at their purpose....the next step would be to control the nurture aspect so that their is no drift from intent. Finally but not least is this contradicting with our belief in a creator and the mystery of life?
WarriorDiplomat
06-11-2018, 14:12
ThanksHave US military DNA samples been used for criminal investigations?
It’s my understanding that with a few of the commercial DNA databases that a criminal suspect him/herself doesn’t necessarily need to have any DNA testing done, but if parents/siblings/children are tested and compared against crime scene evidence can be more than enough to incriminate suspects and compel DNA testing.
So i guess the issue goes beyond just trying to protect your own Genone from public scrutiny, but that of your entire bloodline.
Good point but if scientist are correct all DNA traces back to Mitochondrial Eve and Y Adam....the 2 parts of a Gene that stays relatively unchanged back to the beginning the rest of the Gene is only accurate for DNA to a 5th cousin due to recombination....it's the recombined.DNA that contains the majority of your ancestor and where a recessive trait would appear....when we do our own geneology we build an upside down pyramid from us as far back as possible Geneticist are the opposite the have traced all DNA back to a common ancestor in Mt Eve and Y Adam they trace it to these two and follow it's mutations to modern man.
WarriorDiplomat
06-12-2018, 09:02
Evolution theorist say we evolved from monkeys which inspires the question....why are their still monkeys?
The answer is in haplo groups all traced back to the Mitochondrial Eve the origin which still exists.....the group still exists because it has not left it's point of origin.....every group that left and settled in different climates changed diet etc......evolved from Group A.....I am still not convinced we evolved from chimps...
Team Sergeant
06-12-2018, 11:55
Evolution theorist say we evolved from monkeys which inspires the question....why are their still monkeys?
You could ask the same question of a whale shark and a goldfish.
And that’s good because humans didn’t evolve from chimps. And that evolution “theory” you speak of has millions of artifacts and metric tons of historical evidence supporting it.
Well, unless you want to believe a unicorn with a magic wand created man.
This may help:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution
Or there’s Hope, Faith and Charity.......
(We Hope you believe in our unicorn’s magic, and because of the human brainwashing we’ve conducted over centuries we have Faith that you do, and please, donate at least 30% of your gross income to our Charity.)
WarriorDiplomat
06-12-2018, 20:06
You could ask the same question of a whale shark and a goldfish.
And that’s good because humans didn’t evolve from chimps. And that evolution “theory” you speak of has millions of artifacts and metric tons of historical evidence supporting it.
Well, unless you want to believe a unicorn with a magic wand created man.
This may help:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution
Or there’s Hope, Faith and Charity.......
(We Hope you believe in our unicorn’s magic, and because of the human brainwashing we’ve conducted over centuries we have Faith that you do, and please, donate at least 30% of your gross income to our Charity.)
I for one am not a believer in man evolving from chimps or mermaids or anything else of such extreme when talking evolution. I believe in creation and evolution of man from that creation which is being shown through science as being more complex than man can really understand yet....I do not believe that science is anti faith it reinforces the great complexity and power we were spawned from. Being around my own father in law and his colleagues I found that they spoke of their faith in what they have learned as something so far beyond mans understanding that they realized the more they discovered in science the more humbled they became knowing how little they know and in fact collectively the great intellectual minds and research of scientist combined together cannot adequately explain with certainty the mystery of life.
I feel that biblical purist have an unreasonable expectation of man being created out of thin air a mere 4-5000 yrs ago despite the evidence of fossils and skeletal remains far predating the time frame they discuss in church every Sunday and have even heard these same otherwise intelligent people try to say all these things are of the devil to destroy mans faith and obedience. Simplistic stories such as Adam and Eve that reflects in a way the same story of creation of carbon based organisms and evolution of genetics as man spread about the earth to different climates and developed their own languages which reflects the genesis story of the tower of Babyl in the destruction and confounding of tongues as man was prevented from reaching heaven the similarities in the story and what happened according to science are remarkable considering the stories of the Genesis of man was not recorded until 700+- A.D. and prior to that were stories maintained by the tribe historian through memory and oration over a campfire like the African tribes still do. And the fascinating history of nearly every culture has a similar version of mankind and a supreme entity or entities with variations long before man ever interacted after a majority of evolution had found us segregated geographically, racially, linguistically......
Maybe leftists should start looking at the factors that connect all of us instead of trying to continue to play the modern version of babylon where they confound us on racial, social, economics, religion etc.....instead of language
Team Sergeant
06-13-2018, 17:50
I for one am not a believer in man evolving from chimps or mermaids or anything else of such extreme when talking evolution. I believe in creation and evolution of man from that creation which is being shown through science as being more complex than man can really understand yet....I do not believe that science is anti faith it reinforces the great complexity and power we were spawned from. Being around my own father in law and his colleagues I found that they spoke of their faith in what they have learned as something so far beyond mans understanding that they realized the more they discovered in science the more humbled they became knowing how little they know and in fact collectively the great intellectual minds and research of scientist combined together cannot adequately explain with certainty the mystery of life.
I feel that biblical purist have an unreasonable expectation of man being created out of thin air a mere 4-5000 yrs ago despite the evidence of fossils and skeletal remains far predating the time frame they discuss in church every Sunday and have even heard these same otherwise intelligent people try to say all these things are of the devil to destroy mans faith and obedience. Simplistic stories such as Adam and Eve that reflects in a way the same story of creation of carbon based organisms and evolution of genetics as man spread about the earth to different climates and developed their own languages which reflects the genesis story of the tower of Babyl in the destruction and confounding of tongues as man was prevented from reaching heaven the similarities in the story and what happened according to science are remarkable considering the stories of the Genesis of man was not recorded until 700+- A.D. and prior to that were stories maintained by the tribe historian through memory and oration over a campfire like the African tribes still do. And the fascinating history of nearly every culture has a similar version of mankind and a supreme entity or entities with variations long before man ever interacted after a majority of evolution had found us segregated geographically, racially, linguistically......
Maybe leftists should start looking at the factors that connect all of us instead of trying to continue to play the modern version of babylon where they confound us on racial, social, economics, religion etc.....instead of language
No idea where you got this but ok. I'll go back to making blood sacrifices and throwing the bones. ;)
WarriorDiplomat
06-13-2018, 20:52
No idea where you got this but ok. I'll go back to making blood sacrifices and throwing the bones. ;)
On the complexity I got it from scientist who worked in the field of genetics my father in law being one... brilliant guys who admit they stood on the shoulders of other scientist and in turn watching the torch of their furthering the understanding being advanced and what they thought they knew being disproven and confirmed. Creation belief is a personal choice to accept follow your own way brother no judgments from me lol I could care less if you danced naked around fires drinking fire water chanting to the gun gods :D but if they can prove that we evolved from apes then I would accept the science to a degree.
On the complexity I got it from scientist who worked in the field of genetics my father in law being one... brilliant guys who admit they stood on the shoulders of other scientist and in turn watching the torch of their furthering the understanding being advanced and what they thought they knew being disproven and confirmed. Creation belief is a personal choice to accept follow your own way brother no judgments from me lol I could care less if you danced naked around fires drinking fire water chanting to the gun gods :D but if they can prove that we evolved from apes then I would accept the science to a degree.
+1
Team Sergeant
06-14-2018, 10:56
On the complexity I got it from scientist who worked in the field of genetics my father in law being one... brilliant guys who admit they stood on the shoulders of other scientist and in turn watching the torch of their furthering the understanding being advanced and what they thought they knew being disproven and confirmed. Creation belief is a personal choice to accept follow your own way brother no judgments from me lol I could care less if you danced naked around fires drinking fire water chanting to the gun gods :D but if they can prove that we evolved from apes then I would accept the science to a degree.
Complexity is being broken down every day. What was complex 100 years ago is now science fact. And that, just like evolution will continue to march on.
It's still a free country and you can believe in anything you desire.
Hundreds of Millions used to believe Uri Geller could actually move things with his mind, he even fooled "scientists", but didn't fool the real magicians.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to help to dismember a body for a "Sky Burial". (I told them a Viking Boat Burial was much easier and less messy.) ;)
The military has required servicemember DNA samples since the early 1990s.
Allegedly for identification of otherwise unknown remains, many resisted the requirement, suspecting that it would be data for Big Brother to use for any purpose he deemed necessary.
That suspicion has subsequently proven to be correct.
TR
Speaking of suspicion:
Family Tree DNA discloses it’s been working with the FBI:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/family-tree-dna-fbi-investigative-genealogy-privacy
Golf1echo
02-01-2019, 20:19
The drug company Roche of Switzerland embarked on DNA testing of the Poulation in Iceland some years back. Several ethical delemas came up and continue to arise.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-scientist.com/bio-business/learning-from-icelands-model-for-genetic-research-31435/amp
FtDNA sent this out today.
Dear Customers:
I am writing to address the news that our Gene-by-Gene laboratory, which processes genetic tests for several commercial clients in addition to all of the FamilyTreeDNA tests, has processed a handful of DNA samples for cold cases from the F.B.I. In many cases, the news reports contained false or misleading information.
Let me start with this categorical statement:
LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO THE FTDNA DATABASE.
They cannot search or “dig through” FTDNA profiles any more than an ordinary user can. As with all other genetic genealogy services, law enforcement must provide valid legal process, such as a subpoena or search warrant to receive any information beyond that which any other user can access.
I have been an avid genealogist since I was twelve years old. FamilyTreeDNA is not just a business, it is my passion. I fully understand your privacy concerns on a personal level.
Law enforcement has the ability to test DNA samples from crime scenes and upload the results into databases, like any other customer can, and it appears they have been doing it at other companies for the past year. The distinction is that, according to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, we expect the FBI and law enforcement agencies to let us know when they submit something to our database. We moved to something transparent, rather than having them work in a stealthy way. Other than that, nothing changed that affects the privacy of our customers.
FamilyTreeDNA has always taken your privacy seriously and will continue to do so. We’ve remained steadfast, always, refusing to sell your data to pharmaceutical companies and other third parties.
One of the key reasons law enforcement wanted to submit their samples to us is the same reason many of you have: out of all the major companies, FamilyTreeDNA is the only one that has its own lab, and our customers’ samples never leave our company.
As previously stated, law enforcement can only receive information beyond that which is accessible to the standard user by providing FamilyTreeDNA with valid legal process, such as a subpoena or a search warrant. Again, this is specified in FamilyTreeDNA’s Terms of Service, just as with all other companies.
ABOUT OUR TERMS OF SERVICE
The Terms of Service were changed in May of 2018 to reflect GDPR requirements, and we informed our customers about the update at that time. Those changes included a paragraph that required law enforcement to receive our permission to enter the database and since it was a part of the overall update, notice was sent to every FTDNA customer. Without infringing upon our customers’ privacy, the language in the paragraph referring to law enforcement was updated in December, although nothing changed in the actual handling of such requests. It was an oversight that notice of the revision was not sent to you and that is our mistake. Therefore, we are reverting our TOS to our May 2018 version, and any future changes will be communicated to you in a timely manner.
This is the May 2018, GDPR-compliant version, communicated to you at that time: “You agree to not use the Services for any law enforcement purposes, forensic examinations, criminal investigations, and/or similar purposes without the required legal documentation and written permission from FamilyTreeDNA.”
WE WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH YOU.
I am genuinely sorry for not having handled our communications with you as we should have.
We’ve received an incredible amount of support from those of you who believe this is an opportunity for honest, law-abiding citizens to help catch bad guys and bring closure to devastated families. We want you to understand, as many of you already do, that you have the same protections that you’ve always had and that you have nothing to fear.
We’ve also heard from supporters offering ideas and solutions to make the FamilyTreeDNA experience a more comfortable one in light of this new information.
We are listening. Our plan is to create a panel of citizen genealogist advisors who will work with us as we focus on how to make your FamilyTreeDNA experience the best one available.
Sincerely,
Bennett Greenspan
President
FamilyTreeDNA.com
“History Unearthed Daily"
If you haven't been thru the process,, It's very easy.
When you purchase the test kit, spit, and return it, it is processed and out "spits" several hundred records.
ALL normal DNA testing produce the results in pretty much the same format. I think there are a couple, but the effect is the results is "packaged" the same.
Here is were the LEOs jump in, buy a kit, register the super decoder ID, submit results,,, from the LEO labs in the standard format.
Then the host service crunches the data and matches it to their database. After a bit, they send you an email to come view your data and possible relative list.
In my case, there are 1032 people that are close, based on the probability of the fact that we shared like 3.5% OR LESS DNA. I suspect the LEO's did better?
23andMe has an option whereby you can share and contact your cuz, if they agree.
For the LEOs (pick a number) if they get a 40% hit, it's time for a warrant.
Here is the top of my cuz list sorted by "strength". My screen does show about 1/2 with names or initials, but I can only use their system to attempt contact. To date I haven't tried because the linkage is weak.
2nd picture is how a 2nd cuz plots out.
If you haven't been thru the process,, It's very easy.
When you purchase the test kit, spit, and return it, it is processed and out "spits" several hundred records.
ALL normal DNA testing produce the results in pretty much the same format. I think there are a couple, but the effect is the results is "packaged" the same.
Here is were the LEOs jump in, buy a kit, register the super decoder ID, submit results,,, from the LEO labs in the standard format.
Then the host service crunches the data and matches it to their database. After a bit, they send you an email to come view your data and possible relative list.
In my case, there are 1032 people that are close, based on the probability of the fact that we shared like 3.5% OR LESS DNA. I suspect the LEO's did better?
23andMe has an option whereby you can share and contact your cuz, if they agree.
For the LEOs (pick a number) if they get a 40% hit, it's time for a warrant.
Here is the top of my cuz list sorted by "strength". My screen does show about 1/2 with names or initials, but I can only use their system to attempt contact. To date I haven't tried because the linkage is weak.
2nd picture is how a 2nd cuz plots out.
At least once a year someone contacts me wanting to know how we or a kit I manage are related, and they generally want to know who their parent of parents are. All it takes to get started is a detailed and accurate tree. For those that share their results, I can figure out which part of the family they are from in 10-15 minutes. To dig deeper the Ancestry data base, Family Search, Facebook, Newspapers.com and GeneaolgyBank always provide the final pieces to the puzzle.
23andMe has an option whereby you can share and contact your cuz, if they agree.
Our son did 23andMe and it shook a cousin out of the tree. It turns out that the uncle whose Silver Star citation I have been researching had a daughter that he didn't know about. Her daughter, my uncle's granddaughter, contacted my son and, recently, me. In her case, she was proud of his history. Be careful, though, if you shake the tree too hard you may be surprised by what nuts drop out.
Our son did 23andMe and it shook a cousin out of the tree. It turns out that the uncle whose Silver Star citation I have been researching had a daughter that he didn't know about. Her daughter, my uncle's granddaughter, contacted my son and, recently, me. In her case, she was proud of his history. Be careful, though, if you shake the tree too hard you may be surprised by what nuts drop out.
Might you have the % of like genes for that cousin match? I'm interested as the best I have is 3.5% and wondering if that is the norm for 2-3 cousins?
Badger52
02-04-2019, 06:41
FtDNA sent this out today.Nice letter. 'Cause we know the FBI would never misrepresent anything to a judge in order to obtain a warrant.
23&me has a bubble chart in there showing the relationship in the match.
Daughter is all into filling out everything and she got a hit and the other person made contact with her. She is is the descendant of my Great Grandfather's brother.
IIRC the hit was about 2.5%.
Might you have the % of like genes for that cousin match? I'm interested as the best I have is 3.5% and wondering if that is the norm for 2-3 cousins?
I was mistaken, he used Ancestry not 23andMe. They didn't give percentages, just confidence levels. His, as a 2nd cousin, was "Extremely Confident."
I'll PM you the backstory.
Nice letter. 'Cause we know the FBI would never misrepresent anything to a judge in order to obtain a warrant.
This is true, and companies never mis-represent or break their own privacy guidelines. I seem to recall many years ago AT&T and others denying they were assisting the .GOV in collecting phone data.
Marketing to general population wise FtDNA is probably on the lower tier of the totem pole, it's just blaaaaah in comparison to AncestryDNA, it's just not fun. So FtDNA must generate income by other means and that might mean partnering with the Feds.
As this DNA collection stuff continues to evolve there is going to be a lot good and bad. A few of the negatives will be government intrusion, DNA based insurance, DNA base reperations and male neutering. One of the major positives could be preventative medicine.
Nice letter. 'Cause we know the FBI would never misrepresent anything to a judge in order to obtain a warrant.
This is true, and companies never mis-represent or break their own privacy guidelines. I seem to recall many years ago AT&T and others denying they were assisting the .GOV in collecting phone data.
Marketing to general population wise FtDNA is probably on the lower tier of the totem pole, it's just blaaaaah in comparison to AncestryDNA, it's just not fun. So FtDNA must generate income by other means and that might mean partnering with the Feds.
As this DNA collection stuff continues to evolve there is going to be a lot good and bad. A few of the negatives will be government intrusion, DNA based insurance, DNA base reperations and male neutering. One of the major positives could be preventative medicine.
Badger52
02-05-2019, 12:12
DNA based insurance... One of the major positives could be preventative medicine.Possibly to the latter. The former I don't see happening unless the community crying "must cover all pre-existing conditions!" is kicked to the curb, since they won't acknowledge actuarial shit that effects risk/reward decisions.
Possibly to the latter.
Precision medicine is going to be huuuuge.
But not until there’s a big enough set of anonymised genomes to use as fuel for machine learning to do the grunt work.
2016 saw the $1000 barrier for full genome sequencing(30x coverage to mitigate for sequencing errors) broken by Veritas Genetics.
In late 2018 Veritas Genetics offered full genome sequencing for $199 for the first 1000 people. They sold out in 6 hours.
But even the temporary promotion price of $199 still isn’t anywhere cheap enough.
When full genome sequencing is the price of a pizza + 5-7 years after 10 million people have been sequenced, is when I reckon we start to see breakthroughs in truly understanding genetic resilience, starting with the biggies of cardiovascular disease and colorectal cancer.
CRISPR-like chemical scalpels for genetic splicing has a lot of potential for both good and evil.
I reckon it will be at least 2030 before we see a big enough drop in sequencing cost, a big enough data set, and enough time to crunch and confirm learnings to develop something actionable to start moving the needle.
On a podcast I was listening to recently, I was surprised to learn the amount of data transferred in a single human body in the form of genetic mutation is measured in terabytes per day.
Brave new world, but we are literally just scratching the surface.
Badger52
02-05-2019, 16:05
Brave new world, but we are literally just scratching the surface.All well said above.
I recall a couple of light-years ago when the Genome project was just starting, they were soliciting people who had computers left on during off-hours so they could "time-share" over a fledgling internet to max their CPU operations in a 24 hour period. I did that for awhile - long before any real cyber concerns - and they (apparently) used my little CPU for some stuff at night according to their thank you note. So it's been an ongoing & accelerating, but still long term, thing. But accelerating is the key word there.
The resultant data at times have been used for various agenda, though. And at times wacisss when the results blow the wrong way. I'll be long gone...
:cool:
We did both the 23andme and ancestry. Both 100% Northern European. Finnish, Irish, 23 and me was far more detailed, but that was dependent on answering all 1700 + research questions. Two values that were interesting: 1, a medical tendency for DVT, which occurred and resulted in a Femoral artery by-pass. If I had taken the test earlier that may not have occurred.
2. Across the three spectrum for cancer, all were negative. Neanderthal Ancestry 244 Variants
You have more Neanderthal variants than 15% of 23andMe customers.
Some of those related in my gene pool, who are Finnish, have in excess 340-400 Neanderthal Ancestry Variants.
Badger52The resultant data at times have been used for various agenda, though. And at times wacisss when the results blow the wrong way. I'll be long gone...
The collection will result in medical advances with the goal of eliminating conditions that shorten life for those in control. The future belongs to those that can create a population on mindless worker bees, to serve their needs. Matrix's meets central planning on a planetary scale.
Streck-Fu
02-06-2019, 07:39
Badger52
The collection will result in medical advances with the goal of eliminating conditions that shorten life for those in control. The future belongs to those that can create a population on mindless worker bees, to serve their needs. Matrix's meets central planning on a planetary scale.
I saw this movie, Gattaca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca).
tom kelly
02-06-2019, 17:16
Badger52
The collection will result in medical advances with the goal of eliminating conditions that shorten life for those in control. The future belongs to those that can create a population on mindless worker bees, to serve their needs. Matrix's meets central planning on a planetary scale.
Hopefully, it doesn't belong to AI (Artifical Intelligence)