View Full Version : Jury Acquits Officer Who Shot Philando Castile
Scimitar
06-21-2017, 15:02
I know it no longer amazes us how ridiculous this all is, but here's just another example of how reason just goes out the window.
Since Castile’s death, there have been investigations into why Castile was pulled over in the first place. One report by NPR found Castile was stopped 46 times by police. [Over what period?]. It cost him more than $6,000 in fines, and only six of these stops were for things an officer could observe from the outside, like a speeding ticket or broken tail light.
OK, a few points.
Only 6 traffic stops were for things that the office could observe! Firstly I doubt the NPR report, but sure its possible. But more importantly I haven't been pulled over more than 4 time in my entire life, and I used to ride a MC as a maniac as a young fella.
Secondly the footage clearly shows the officer saying "don't reach for the weapon", and lastly dope was found in the car, and Mr Castile was possible high. How no postmortem drug test was taken, heaven knows.
And there's outrage that he was shot!?
When will the media educate the public about what it's actually like to be a LEO, how easily a LEO can be injured or killed, and why you should do exactly what the FUCK you're told when asked.
If you want to drive illegally (broken tail light), with drugs in the vehicle, while high, and not follow LEO directions. frankly, fuck you. How dear you put that officer through this, you died cos you're a moron, he has to live with having killed you.
Rant over
The Atlantic Article (https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/06/jury-acquits-philando-castile/530709/)
Police Dashcam, and creepy in car footage found here (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40357355)
Secondly the footage clearly shows the officer saying "don't reach for the weapon"
This part presents a bit of a conundrum for a right handed shooter. If they want my license or for me to step out of the vehicle, I'm necessarily going to have to have my hand near my gun since I carry at 3 o'clock.
Pat
Team Sergeant
06-21-2017, 17:38
This part presents a bit of a conundrum for a right handed shooter. If they want my license or for me to step out of the vehicle, I'm necessarily going to have to have my hand near my gun since I carry at 3 o'clock.
Pat
I've not yet met an officer in Arizona that fears those with guns........its no big deal to them.
And as far as NPR goes, it's hard to find a more left-wing media so take anything they post as maybe 25% true.
Just like snopes.com, complete left-wing and no facts.
I've not yet met an officer in Arizona that fears those with guns........its no big deal to them.
Exactly! Here, they assume that everyone is armed so their mindset is different from the get-go.
TacOfficer
06-21-2017, 18:18
I've arrested enough people with guns to observe generally they are more compliant when the offense is minor. Even when the possession of firearm by felon is on the table. I would like to think they behave in such a manner because the realize the risks are higher.
Now felony stops and all other mayhem is another ball of wax......
TacOfficer
06-21-2017, 18:20
.......I'm going to to take a wild ass guess and say this mutt want to challenge the officer, and get it all on video.
What do they say? play stupid games etc.
Scimitar
06-21-2017, 20:16
The order of events seemed to me
- LEO asked for documents
- Driver handed something over, perhaps not everything asked for
- Driver then advised officer of weapon in vehicle
- AND THEN REACHED FOR SOMETHING
- LEO advised him to not "reach for it" 3 times before firing
Can anyone explain the creepy way the girlfriend acted? This could just be a stress response, but it feels very...staged. Why does this feel like death by cop, with a political motive
Full police vehicle dashcam footage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMKcWz5nNoM)
Full footage from inside the vehicle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N87rFrVf1EU)
"Honey, I can't go on"
"I think I'm going to end it"
"Ok baby, how about you go out with a bang, and get the cops in trouble"
S
The order of events seemed to me
S
I wasn't trying to defend the guy, just saying that it can be a dangerous position to be in in some areas of the country. A twitchy cop (which this guy came across as after the fact) and any of us could be in trouble.
As TS pointed out, not a problem here with Constitutional Carry.
Pat
The Reaper
06-21-2017, 20:50
Last time I got stopped, I handed the officer my license and registration and my concealed permit, told him I was carrying and asked him how he wanted to proceed.
He said, "just leave yours where it is, and I'll leave mine where it is and everything will be fine."
Good call. :D
TR
miclo18d
06-22-2017, 05:26
I get my "documents" ready before the officer approaches the car.
In Florida you're not required to tell the officer you're carrying, but it is a courtesy. I was pulled over and handed the officer my "papers" he looked down at my wallet and saw my CCW asked if I was armed and asked why I didn't tell him. I informed I was armed and of the requirements of the statute he is charged to uphold (I never even had time to tell him anyway). He didn't say anything else or ask me to retrieve the gun and I just kept my hands on the wheel.
He wrote me a ticket for speeding. Sometimes it sucks to be right.
Last time I got stopped, I handed the officer my license and registration and my concealed permit, told him I was carrying and asked him how he wanted to proceed.
He said, "just leave yours where it is, and I'll leave mine where it is and everything will be fine."
Good call. :D
TR
I had a similar experience where the officer told me, "if you don't show me yours I won't show you mine."
R3V3LATIONS
06-22-2017, 06:29
Usually, if I stop a car and observe (by means of computer or operator/passenger notification) that a CCW holder is present, I calmly just tell them to keep the firearm where it is, not touch it, and usually ask what the carry and how they came upon that choice. I do this to ease the tension, and more or less end up communicating that I value those that take the legal steps to protect themselves and essentially make my job easier. Then, I send them on their way with either a warning or a ticket, depending on the offense.
I dont always agree with taking the hard line, hard assed approach of "don't show me yours, I won't show you mine." I can understand it, and if that's what is needed in parts of the country... I'm not there so I can't judge. Anecdotally, I have worked in some bad neighborhoods where such verbal tactics is essentially ringing the bell for round one. Amazingly, even when a CCW holder has been holding drugs, warrants, or whatever else, we've ended up taking care of business and everybody went where they needed to safely, without me implying anything. Granted in my sample size, the rule rather than exception of CCW holders encountered have been compliant, generally law abiding citizens that span the intelligence spectrum from none to highly educated, and I understand every situation is different.
Usually, if I stop a car and observe (by means of computer or operator/passenger notification) that a CCW holder is present, I calmly just tell them to keep the firearm where it is, not touch it, and usually ask what the carry and how they came upon that choice. I do this to ease the tension, and more or less end up communicating that I value those that take the legal steps to protect themselves and essentially make my job easier. Then, I send them on their way with either a warning or a ticket, depending on the offense.
I dont always agree with taking the hard line, hard assed approach of "don't show me yours, I won't show you mine." I can understand it, and if that's what is needed in parts of the country... I'm not there so I can't judge. Anecdotally, I have worked in some bad neighborhoods where such verbal tactics is essentially ringing the bell for round one. Amazingly, even when a CCW holder has been holding drugs, warrants, or whatever else, we've ended up taking care of business and everybody went where they needed to safely, without me implying anything. Granted in my sample size, the rule rather than exception of CCW holders encountered have been compliant, generally law abiding citizens that span the intelligence spectrum from none to highly educated, and I understand every situation is different.
I guess I did not read that as hard line, hard assed, I think the officer did a nice job of making his point. It would be very tough to be a cop in this country with the climate that has been allowed to fester by the previous administration.
R3V3LATIONS
06-22-2017, 11:20
I just realized how bad my grammar was in my preceding post, and that I quite possibly misinterpreted the highlighted quote. My apologies for both.
It is difficult being a cop in this country, however, I have noticed that since DT won the election, I have seen more five finger waves as opposed to the usual one. I think things will improve, but we have a lot of work ahead of us as a nation if we are to undo the damages done from the past eight years of BHO. I'm not Pollyanna, but I am slightly optimistic...
I guess I did not read that as hard line, hard assed, I think the officer did a nice job of making his point. It would be very tough to be a cop in this country with the climate that has been allowed to fester by the previous administration.
Likewise. I'm sure tone and posture would convey a more accurate meaning.
Something about this stop does not smell right.
"I thought, I was gonna die," Officer Jeronimo Yanez told investigators from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension fifteen hours after the shooting. "And I thought if he’s, if he has the, the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the five year old girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke and the front seat passenger doing the same thing then what, what care does he give about me. And, I let off the rounds and then after the rounds were off, the little girls was screaming."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/21/officer-who-shot-philando-castile-said-smell-of-marijuana-made-him-fear-for-his-life/?utm_term=.089f5bdd6a5b
Scimitar
06-22-2017, 19:32
In regards to the LEO or the driver?
I've read a BUNCH on this incident; watched the video tapes and everything I can get on the subject. I also teach use of force and engagement dynamics - the police officer did nothing wrong. This scrote controlled his own fate. When a cop tells you NOT to reach for the weapon not once...not twice...but three times and you still reach for it (may actually have been going for his wallet but that will blend with my next point), then you have asked for a pizza to be delivered. Don't be surprised when it shows up.
Cops, soldiers, etc are NOT paid to divine "intentions". In fact, it is impossible. However, we are trained to divine CAPABILITY. You secure the scene and control people. In an unsecure scene with an individual that is NOT responsive to your lawful commands, then you need to act on the capability displayed. The law does NOT require you to gamble with your life. Action ALWAYS beats reaction so the law takes into account that you cannot wait for the scrote to get his hands on the gun or point it at the cop/soldier.
I wish more people understood this, more commanders understood it and more freaking military attorneys understood this simple concept.