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frostfire
04-22-2017, 06:01
don't go gentle into that good night...:)
The comments segments have few insights
Political polarization has grown most among the old
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2017/04/not-going-gentle
http://www.economist.com/node/21720694/comments
Badger52
04-22-2017, 09:49
The statists take a generational approach & have patience. They're just waiting for us to croak. LL: don't write off the young people in your life where you can effect some influence.
I agree,, partially,,
The baby-boomers are more informed than their parents were.
Based on our perception of the 19th & 20th Century parents and grand-parents struggles,,
We are generally better educated..
We understood you need to work hard to succeed,,
We generally did not have enough kids..
We are generally not working until we die..
We have access to real-time information and news..
We have time on our hands..
We are dramatically effected by our children FU's,,
with little means to effect a reversible change..
AND,, unlike the current generation of butter-cups,, we get involved..
On the flip,, We have 2 maybe 4 generations of kids that took a look at our sweat and toil and determined that they don't want to have it as hard as we did..
These kids have inherited the computer age we developed and have tossed the "hard" parts and embraced the "easy"..
I listen to kids (30-50 YO) all the time. They fall into two groups,, the "What Ever" ninnies,, and the "Not My Job" slackers..
Both groups tend to want it free and blame all social-economic ills it on the FOG's...
My $00.00002 :munchin
Golf1echo
04-23-2017, 11:57
Seems our culture does not set that much of a priority on reverence for the elderly, not convinced cultures that did do so to the extent they did.
An Observation: Experiential knowledge seems to have lost some value with our young in this day and age of immediate gratification. I also look at how the economy has changed in general with big losses in the middle class. Today the rewards are structured for the few at the top so intensives may be perceived as reduced.
It occurred to me yesterday in conversation with someone who knew my Grandfather that many of my current mentors and people I respect never went to college ( different from the last set of mentors I had), They got ahead by work. These are the guys who get up before the sun rises and work all day plodding forward with smaller but steadier gains than we might consider in this day and age combined with a more frugal life style than we see messaged as successful today. What amazes me is the accumulated wealth they achieved over their lifetimes and how they ended up providing resources for several generations. The darker side is seeing the costs today for things like medical treatment, assisted living, insurance, vehicles, housing, etc... decimate these gains. Then to consider where that money ends up, at the top, these issues are certainly red flags for the health of our economy and you would think act as disincentives for many. While not a new model the ladder of success is missing several rungs beyond the first several and then are found at regular intervals beyond that.
Trapper John
04-23-2017, 15:16
I read The Economist from time to time and mostly with a skeptical eye. I doubt that the reported "study" was peer reviewed. I seriously question the methodology and the rigor applied to the analysis.
My general impression is that this is "study" that was cooked to provide a predetermined outcome in support of a political narrative.
Oh hell, let's just throw Grandma and Grandpa off the cliff and forget all the fuss. :eek:
Then again I'm just a FOG. Whata I know? :D
Badger52
04-23-2017, 15:24
Oh hell, let's just throw Grandma and Grandpa off the cliff and forget all the fuss. :eek:
...said Barack Obama's administration.
Then again I'm just a FOG. Whata I know? :DOld guys know "stuff." :cool:
PedOncoDoc
04-24-2017, 07:56
...I listen to kids (30-50 YO) all the time. They fall into two groups,, the "What Ever" ninnies,, and the "Not My Job" slackers...
Ironically, falling into the first half of the 30-50 YO interval you mention, I have the same observations about the ones I call "kids" (20-30 YO). I wonder if we're all just kicking the same can down the road with our generational perceptions coloring our opinions.
One of my beloved mentors who recently passed defined pediatric patients as "anyone younger than me" despite being in his 70's. :D
One of my beloved mentors who recently passed defined pediatric patients as "anyone younger than me" despite being in his 70's. :D
I'm getting tired of hearing the media refer to people younger than me as "elderly"! :mad: :D
Pat
mark46th
04-24-2017, 10:47
My best advice to the younger generations is to read everything Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell have written.
I'm getting tired of hearing the media refer to people younger than me as "elderly"! :D
Pat
Pat,,
How many times have you told the g-kids about staying up all night and watching the TV test pattern, that came on at 11PM?
And how it was beamed to outer space for Martians,, cause you heard it on ..
link: Captain Video And His Video Rangers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8oBa4Y1KY)
:lifter:D:lifter
Golf1echo
04-24-2017, 11:00
Ahh fond memories. :D
The news hasn't been the same since, seriously it's difficult enough to do 24 hour weather let alone news.
Pat,,
How many times have you told the g-kids about staying up all night and watching the TV test pattern, that came on at 11PM?
And how it was beamed to outer space for Martians,, cause you heard it on ..
I actually have one of those registration cards in one of my "boxes of crap my son will throw out after I die". :D It's a souvenir of my TV days. I have an "On Air" light somewhere, too. Even I don't want to open those boxes. :eek: Also a 16mm T-Birds sign-off film of High Flight from the early '70s.
Pat
Badger52
04-24-2017, 12:26
Also a 16mm T-Birds sign-off film of High Flight from the early '70s.
PatAm.Not.Worthy (other than with envy, what an item to have)
:lifter
That was on a long time even before the 70's; took me to a whole section of the public library that was much taller than I was. The kid you couldn't drag out of the non-fiction historical section.