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abc_123
12-18-2016, 05:54
Bought a 12' yak and some gear and finally got things rigged and in the water for a shakedown paddle late afternoon yesterday and for a few hours agan this morning. Total discovery learning process from the get go. Even figuring out how to tie braided fishing line on the damn reel was a science project for me. I think it took me hours on the first one Lol.

Anyway, I got lucky today... just randomly stopping in some flats and slinging plastic shrmp behind a popping cork I managed to actually catch some trout. All 5 of them just shy of the 15" limit, so I threw all of them back.

Then some dolphins cruised into the area and put an end to my fishing for the morning.

A fun way to fish.

It'll be even better when I actually figure out what I am doing and where to go. :lifter

craigepo
12-18-2016, 07:28
It's 16 degrees here. Just thawed some water lines in the barn. Have a great time fishing.

JJ_BPK
12-18-2016, 12:31
Bought a 12' yak and some gear and finally got things rigged and in the water for a shakedown paddle late afternoon yesterday

It'll be even better when I actually figure out what I am doing and where to go. :lifter


Great start,, There used to a a sub-fora for Florida Sportsman magazine for yak fishing and another for the Florida South West Coast. Use your google foo..

http://forums.floridasportsman.com/

I did a little in the Keys,, yaks are just undersized flats skiffs..

a few cautions:

1)wind,, plan the days wind conditions,, you don't want to be down wind after several hrs and have to fight to get back to the dock. Winds out of the west in the AM may swing to the east in the PM..

2)think small fish until you're good with the yak and your load-out. A 10lb jack running 90deg to the beam will dump you in the water most riki tic..

3)think shallow,, you may find that sweet spot in the mangroves that is full of snapper that others ignore because their swantzs are TO BIG to bother.. Capish? and If you're going to eat it, have ice..

4)nothing wrong with live shrimp

5)shallow wet mangroves also hold some big Snook. When you feel your up to it, bring a casting or spinning out dressed in 50 lb braided line.

6)You may also find 30-100 lb Tarpon laid up on the warm grass bottom flats in 3-6ft water. Juveniles in the 5-15 lb range can be found along shallow sand flats...

7)rods,, bring at least 100,, no you can get by with 2 or 3.. qty 2, 15b spinning or bait casting, one 25lb mono or 50lb braided,, all 7ft light to medium stiff. Going back 5 miles to the dock because your only rod broke or reel seized,, not so good...

8)think safety, file a boat plan with friends you can trust to start looking for you,, within a week?? waterproof radio AND phone pouches.. ALWAYS WARE YOUR PFD

9)think of it as an over night recon/ambush, carry food & water, medical bits and rain gear.

10)spend time at the boat ramp/launch site,, watching the non-successful yak'ers, watch for what doesn't work,, make adjustment as required..

I have friends that have successfully landed 100+lb tarpon,, it only took 5000 trips to work out the kinks.. :D

Have fun.. :lifter

PS: bulls & hammerheads like shallow muddy water... :munchin

abc_123
12-18-2016, 12:31
We were at 16 degrees too. And then we added another 65 of them. :lifter

I'm new to this ocean fishing stuff, but something slammed my plastic shrimp and almost ripped the pole out of my hands and then stripped off line and pulled me around a bit. I'm not sure if it was some thing that I could eat or if it was something that could eat me because it shook the hook when it got it close to the kayak and was at the point where i was starting to think "now what in the hell do I do?"

JJ_BPK
12-18-2016, 12:38
We were at 16 degrees too. And then we added another 65 of them. :lifter

I'm new to this ocean fishing stuff, but something slammed my plastic shrimp and almost ripped the pole out of my hands and then stripped off line and pulled me around a bit. I'm not sure if it was some thing that I could eat or if it was something that could eat me because it shook the hook when it got it close to the kayak and was at the point where i was starting to think "now what in the hell do I do?"

Could have been a 4-5 lb jack or small bonita,, 10x the power they look like..

Although a good stiff leader is nice,, it's easier and faster to tie an 18-24 inch bimini twist. The toothy one will bite thru it but it's great grocery fishing.

abc_123
12-18-2016, 12:46
JJ,

Thanks for that. I'm fishing right now in probably 8->3' water at low tide.

Have a good fishing pfd with small floating vhf radio on the shoulder. Have mirror etc. And have a small personal locator strobe on order. Radio i good enough to hit the repeaters in the bay. Have leashes in the important stuff (like my padfle and my tackle) and i have a small knife on the pfd in case i need to cut something away. Besides I'm staying shallow until I get the hang of things and I do a few capsize drills. I have one smaller rod and reel combo rigged with 15# braid and 20# flouro leader. I have a slightly bigger and stiffer combo with 30# braid. Still running the 20# leader but have #40. Take both with me on the water.

Leaders are just shy of 2x pole length. Used a uni-uni knot to tie on one leader and an Alberto knot to do the other. I think I jacked up the Alberto because itshe not as small/smooth as I want. Will cut and retie. Am using a loop knot to tie on the shrimp so it has more action. Oh, I've been using a popping cork with some beads with the shrimp 18-24" behind that (using the same 20# leader). That seemed to be the consensus of all the YouTube videos I've watched...

I need to do some DIY work and rig a way to mount a battery powered light in case I get stuck paddling back after dark.

Roger on the wind and tides.

JJ_BPK
12-18-2016, 13:19
JJ,

Thanks for that. I'm fishing right now in probably 8->3' water at low tide.

Have a good fishing pfd with small floating vhf radio on the shoulder. Have mirror etc. And have a small personal locator strobe on order. Radio i good enough to hit the repeaters in the bay. Have leashes in the important stuff (like my padfle and my tackle) and i have a small knife on the pfd in case i need to cut something away. Besides I'm staying shallow until I get the hang of things and I do a few capsize drills. I have one smaller rod and reel combo rigged with 15# braid and 20# flouro leader. I have a slightly bigger and stiffer combo with 30# braid. Still running the 20# leader but have #40. Take both with me on the water.

Leaders are just shy of 2x pole length. Used a uni-uni knot to tie on one leader and an Alberto knot to do the other. I think I jacked up the Alberto because itshe not as small/smooth as I want. Will cut and retie. Am using a loop knot to tie on the shrimp so it has more action. Oh, I've been using a popping cork with some beads with the shrimp 18-24" behind that (using the same 20# leader). That seemed to be the consensus of all the YouTube videos I've watched...

I need to do some DIY work and rig a way to mount a battery powered light in case I get stuck paddling back after dark.

Roger on the wind and tides.

Try shorter. Although trout and jack come in from the front, most grocery fish come up behind the bait, so you don't need to bother with length, and shorter leaders are easier to cast..

There are never ending debates about flouro vs what ever. I like the Bimini for ease of replacement. and I like limp mono rather than the harder more abrasive resistant stuff. Again, easier to cast and less storage memory..

NEED PICTURES.. :lifter

abc_123
12-18-2016, 14:57
Hey according to Google that Bimini Twist restaurant in West Palm Beach, gets 4.3 out of 5 stars.

No issues with memory on the flouro leader as it never hits the spool. Knot is right on the top. In reality I didn't know I was going to use a cork or I would have tied that directly to the braid.

Pictures will come but I'm telling get you the last thing on my mind when I had that last fish on (maybe a ray? Or a small shark? Or just a big bass) was a camera. :o

abc_123
12-19-2016, 01:28
launching yesterday a.m.

JJ_BPK
12-19-2016, 02:59
launching yesterday a.m.


This might be obvious to some,, but most fail to see the opportunity..


Hint Hint: Boat ramps, with fish cleaning tables.. People throw in scraps,, the locals are there to clean up.. If the place is empty, like in your picture,, don't be in a rush to head for your special hidden spot. Pick a deep spot between the ranp & the point..

In my canal in the Keys, we fed a young grouper that hung out at the cleaning tables.. Last time I saw him,, about 200lbs.. :munchin

PS: A small depth finder is a great yak tool, especially in muddy water. Any bottom irregularities will hold fish..

:lifter

GreenSalsa
12-19-2016, 03:38
MILD threat hijack--but can anyone recommend a good (two person) kayak (daughter and me)?

All this talk of fishing is making me remember just how fun it was to be a teenager fishing along the banks of northern Michigan lakes...

SF_BHT
12-19-2016, 05:23
MILD threat hijack--but can anyone recommend a good (two person) kayak (daughter and me)?

All this talk of fishing is making me remember just how fun it was to be a teenager fishing along the banks of northern Michigan lakes...

Get two and lash them together. Makes a nice outrigger. Also makes it a lot stabler for those rough days.;)

JJ_BPK
12-19-2016, 05:52
MILD threat hijack--but can anyone recommend a good (two person) kayak (daughter and me)?

All this talk of fishing is making me remember just how fun it was to be a teenager fishing along the banks of northern Michigan lakes...

I would suggest you spent time with google foo. There are literally hundreds of make/model to choose from.

A lot depends on your style and the waters you plan to ply. I had a Hobie Quest. It is wider than most for stability, but the width also does not make it fast nor easy to paddle. (see ruff pic)

Attach 2nd pic is a friend that poles his Yak,, from a platform,, You gotta know that is not the norm.. :D

Golf1echo
12-19-2016, 06:23
Good memories! Have a few Wilderness Systems Sealoutions. A small course might be helpful to take that Hillbilly roll to an Eskimo roll etc...having a strong paddle brace can mean everything at times! And practicing various self rescue techniques is well worth it. I do remember going through my templates of what it might possibly be when a Loggerhead Turtle surfaced next to me at Folly Beach...it looked like a dinosaur but that wasn't one of my templates :eek: It appeared he thought the same of me.

Now the Large Bull Shark near the Morris Island Lighthouse inlet during an 0 dark thirty paddle was a different experience, it made the sand flies and mosquitoes back on the island seem like a better choice.

Maybe a Hobie: http://www.hobiecat.com/mirage/mirage-outfitter/

JJ_BPK
12-19-2016, 06:45
Maybe a Hobie: http://www.hobiecat.com/mirage/mirage-outfitter/

Nice choice,, still need paddle back-ups,,

PS: don't try to roll recovery,, not on a SOT.. :]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsDUQpUfRzg

Golf1echo
12-19-2016, 07:20
Heeehehe :D The motivation to survive!
still need paddle back-ups A sport where the phrase "1 is none 2 is one" comes to mind.

One of the largest kayak symposiums in the country: https://www.ccprc.com/2036/Exhibitors-Vendors

It is a good place to try out different boats from the different vendors. One might check, my recollection is that the classes and trips cost money, I didn't think the Vendors Village costs anything?, but I would check before going *. The Charleston Recreation Department hosts the event and they run a great operation! James Island is just one of their locations and well worth knowing about.

Edit:* https://www.ccprc.com/1542/Charleston-Outdoor-Fest

Swoop
12-19-2016, 09:22
I have been contemplating a "NUCANOE" reportedly one of the most stable hybrid kayaks on the market. Also comes in tandem models.

tonyz
12-19-2016, 10:55
That Nucanoe looks very good - have tried a Native kayak in the past and it was very comfortable for all day paddling - seat was the most comfortable in the business. Paddling was on rivers not open ocean or bays.

Thinking of pulling the trigger next year.

http://nativewatercraft.com

GreenSalsa
12-20-2016, 04:05
I would suggest you spent time with google foo. There are literally hundreds of make/model to choose from.

A lot depends on your style and the waters you plan to ply. I had a Hobie Quest. It is wider than most for stability, but the width also does not make it fast nor easy to paddle. (see ruff pic)

Attach 2nd pic is a friend that poles his Yak,, from a platform,, You gotta know that is not the norm.. :D

Thanks--I have been looking through google--just wondered if anyone had any recommendations from personal experience.

JJ_BPK
12-20-2016, 04:51
Thanks--I have been looking through google--just wondered if anyone had any recommendations from personal experience.

You need both,, homework & friends with experience..

In my case,, I went to a fair size multi-brand dealer, who did back country tours for the Yankee tourista tree huggers visiting the Keys.. Great people with lots of experience,, I had sent people there from the dive shop I worked at.. Talked to the owners wife and was invited to a "locals" deal.. Their shop was 70 miles up the road..

As I am of the robust physique personage,, My 1st question, when shown the #1 Must Have Model,, was what is the weight limit,, drew a blank stare from the owner..

Fortunately, I did my home work and purchased what I needed,, it was the 2nd Must Have Model..

As to loads,, a caution..

In talking to friends I was encouraged to get the highest load limit I could comfortable handle. The physics,, the bigger the Yak, the more displacement, and larger load,,, BUT the size starts to erode the ease of usage, read more fatigue rowing..

Most single SOT Yaks run the 250-350 lb class, doubles run 350-550. I ended up with the Hobie with a 450 LB load limit.

I was less than 1/2 the load. When you throw in the gear, you quickly realize the water line is getting to close to the top of the gunnel..

If you plan calm water lakes & ponds, not a problem. If you think you may hit a 1-2 ft chop,, Problem... In Florida's coastal saltwater you stand 70% chance every day of getting a chop for some part of your trip.

:munchin

abc_123
12-21-2016, 01:25
I'm 230lbs. My kayak has 450lb weight capacity. (Malibu Stealth 12). Had some 10kt winds and a chop yesterday paddling across some open water to get to where I wanted to fish and I'm glad I had the freeboard that I did. Weight capacity is also related to the width (stability) of the kayak. I read reviews and although there were wider/more stable yaks at around the same price, I didn't want to be paddling a barge or one with such high sides that it would be a big problem in winds. This one seemed to be in the middle of the road. It's my first kayak, so I just pulled the trigger and figure now I need to get on the water and get first hand experience.

Edit to add: Also be mindful of the weight of the yak. Are you putting it in the back of a truck or are you putting it on a rack on the roof of your car? Or do you plan on getting a trailer for it.... just something to think about.

Fished Ft Desoto Park yesterday. (first time). Went at dead low tide but didn't care. Put in right past the entrance where you pay (St Jean key). Paddled across Mullet Key Bayou to Soldier's Hole fished a bit until a herd of people in rental kayaks just descended and proceeded to paddle along the shorelines scaring fish. So back out and across the bayou I went past my put in point and with the tide coming in I could now paddle over the shallow grass flats past Barbie key where fish were feeding.. jumping clear out of the water.

Caught a couple trout like the one in the attached pic on an artificial shrimp w/o a cork. Drove past the Fort without stopping. Had two 12" rifled mortar batteries, at one point having 4ea per pit (super crowded design later reduced to 2ea per pit to speed reloading). Now on display are the only 4ea M1890 M1 12" mortars in existence.

Golf1echo
12-29-2016, 19:49
Some interesting hulls even saw a selfbailer. If I ever get back to the South Eastern Coast I would like to go to some of the Florida clear water springs. In some of the images a friend showed me you couldn't really tell what was going on the fish looked like they were flying, the attached image was as close as I could find. There are also some of the worlds best beaches St Joseph's and St George Beaches were always on my list. Take advantage :lifter

abc_123
01-30-2017, 08:55
Still focusing on Trout using artificials. Trying to figure out the whole tide, weather, location, lure color/presentation, so I'm just focusing on the easiest to catch tasty fish that I can.

I think that I am getting the artificial shrimp presentation figured out.


Now the whole landing fish in a Kayak and figuring out what to do with everything and where to put it and how to reach it...without it being a Chinese fire drill, well that's still a work in progress. :D

For the record... JJ, you were right. Braided fishing line is a PITA! However it does help if you use your nails and rub off the slick coating at the end before trying to tie mono/flouro leader onto it. I figured that out after probably hours of entertainment trying to tie knots with it.

Anyway, I went out yesterday for about an hour to fish the flats. Incoming tide, 62deg and overcast. Using an artificial shrimp (redish sparkly color) 2-2.5' behind a fluorescent orange Cajun thunder popping cork. After catching this guy I basically started working my way back to my put in point. 1/2 of him made a great dinner last night, and the other half was my breakfast.

JJ_BPK
01-30-2017, 09:10
After catching this guy I basically started working my way back to my put in point. 1/2 of him made a great dinner last night, and the other half was my breakfast.

Excelente, buen trabajo .. :lifter

abc_123
01-30-2017, 09:26
Excelente, buen trabajo .. :lifter

Thanks! I posted a pic of my put in because I believe I can trust you guys not to steal my spot. Lol.

mark46th
01-30-2017, 09:49
Nice rig! The dinner looks excellent!!

JJ_BPK
01-30-2017, 10:31
Thanks! I posted a pic of my put in because I believe I can trust you guys not to steal my spot. Lol.

To late..

FILO
01-30-2017, 12:10
I'm 230lbs. My kayak has 450lb weight capacity. (Malibu Stealth 12). Had some 10kt winds and a chop yesterday paddling across some open water to get to where I wanted to fish and I'm glad I had the freeboard that I did. Weight capacity is also related to the width (stability) of the kayak. I read reviews and although there were wider/more stable yaks at around the same price, I didn't want to be paddling a barge or one with such high sides that it would be a big problem in winds. This one seemed to be in the middle of the road. It's my first kayak, so I just pulled the trigger and figure now I need to get on the water and get first hand experience.

Edit to add: Also be mindful of the weight of the yak. Are you putting it in the back of a truck or are you putting it on a rack on the roof of your car? Or do you plan on getting a trailer for it.... just something to think about.

Fished Ft Desoto Park yesterday. (first time). Went at dead low tide but didn't care. Put in right past the entrance where you pay (St Jean key). Paddled across Mullet Key Bayou to Soldier's Hole fished a bit until a herd of people in rental kayaks just descended and proceeded to paddle along the shorelines scaring fish. So back out and across the bayou I went past my put in point and with the tide coming in I could now paddle over the shallow grass flats past Barbie key where fish were feeding.. jumping clear out of the water.

Caught a couple trout like the one in the attached pic on an artificial shrimp w/o a cork. Drove past the Fort without stopping. Had two 12" rifled mortar batteries, at one point having 4ea per pit (super crowded design later reduced to 2ea per pit to speed reloading). Now on display are the only 4ea M1890 M1 12" mortars in existence.

Love Ft. Desoto! You were in some good fishing grounds. A couple of years ago I was in a kayak in Mullet Key Bayou in about 5 feet of water when a an adult manatee swam at breakneck full-speed underneath me. I've never seen that happen, ever, and can only attribute it to a threat somewhere close. Also not that it involved kayaks, but one of the coolest fishing I've seen in quite come time, occurred when I was hanging out on Egmont Key (just across the channel from Fort Desoto) and watched a small flotilla of boats hooking into a school of Tarpon, right in the channel. That was cool.

FILO
01-30-2017, 12:13
DP

abc_123
01-30-2017, 12:22
Love Ft. Desoto! You were in some good fishing grounds. A couple of years ago I was in a kayak in Mullet Key Bayou in about 5 feet of water when a an adult manatee swam at breakneck full-speed underneath me. I've never seen that happen, ever, and can only attribute it to a threat somewhere close. Also not that it involved kayaks, but one of the coolest fishing I've seen in quite come time, occurred when I was hanging out on Egmont Key (just across the channel from Fort Desoto) and watched a small flotilla of boats hooking into a school of Tarpon, right in the channel. That was cool.

I'm not the brightest lightbulb, but when I am somewhere and see and hear herds of pelicans dive bombing the water and I can see and hear fish jumping out of the water about 1 every 20sec - 2min, it makes me want to spend some time there fishing.

abc_123
03-05-2017, 20:36
Man. All I can say is that the fishing was AMAZING today at Ft Desoto. The CATCHING however, sucked balls.

I put in a good 8 hours. I improved my casting distance so that is good, but that's about it.

cbtengr
03-05-2017, 21:30
Man. All I can say is that the fishing was AMAZING today at Ft Desoto. The CATCHING however, sucked balls.

I put in a good 8 hours. I improved my casting distance so that is good, but that's about it.

However...............
33447

VVVV
03-05-2017, 22:17
However...............
33447

Working is for those who don't play golf :D:

NurseTim
03-12-2017, 22:43
Some interesting hulls even saw a selfbailer. If I ever get back to the South Eastern Coast I would like to go to some of the Florida clear water springs. In some of the images a friend showed me you couldn't really tell what was going on the fish looked like they were flying, the attached image was as close as I could find. There are also some of the worlds best beaches St Joseph's and St George Beaches were always on my list. Take advantage :lifter


This looks like e rainbow springs off of hwy 41 westish mid Florida. My absolute favorite place on earth.

miclo18d
03-13-2017, 05:37
This looks like e rainbow springs off of hwy 41 westish mid Florida. My absolute favorite place on earth.
Rainbow (Springs) River (aka KP Hole), Dunellin, FL is where the dive store I work goes for does dive training. Crystal clear water and 72* year round!

1stindoor
03-16-2017, 07:07
I've been fishing out of a kayak for about 4 years now. All fresh water. I own a bass boat but love fishing out of the yak during the warm summer months where I can hit a small lake/pond/river without having to drive for an hour. I have an Ascend 128FST sold by BassPro. Large and stable (for fat guys like me) I can easily stand in it for longer casts and better hooksets. I've gotten some of my gear from yakattack (https://www.yakattack.us). My most recent purchase was a command stand. Highly recommend it if you're going to spend a lot of time standing up.