2016 Presidential Election Recount effort

[Ret10Echo]

Jill Stein, greenie, socialist and election law genius.

I'm still trying to get my head around what is going on with Komrade Stein and the recount effort. Apparently “fake news” is the new elixir for decision making.... Maybe it's just a desire to remain in the spotlight just that little bit longer...before fading into irrelevance for another 4 or more years?

Trying to find a real analysis on what is involved in all this has been a bit difficult. CBS, NBS, ABS, MSNBS, CNNBS FOXBS (and newcomer RTBS) are spinning so hard in one direction or another their eyeballs will be bloodshot if they ever get stable.

Wisconsin is already moving toward recount (T- 47.9% Hk- 46.9%). Apparently if you show up with a suitcase full of other people's money screaming fraud you can have a recount. I'm just wondering Jill Stein, who is defrauding whom? Your $2M fundraiser quickly shifted to $5 and $7M...with no promises of where that money would be spent. Just “trust us”. Nice work libtards. I've got a Nigerian who'd like to talk to you on the phone about some funds that are stuck in their banking system.


1. WI Statutes § 9.01.

Any candidate voted for at any election may request a recount. The candidate must file a verified petition with the clerk or body with whom nomination papers are to be filed for that office. The petition should be filed not earlier than the time of completion of the canvass and not later than 5:00 p.m. on the third business day following the determination of the results of the election.[1] The petition must specify each ward or municipality in which a recount is desired. An opposing candidate or any voter or other interested party may similarly file a petition for a recount in any or all of the remaining wards or municipalities.[2]
If the difference between the votes cast for the leading candidate and those cast for the petitioner is not more than 0.5% of the total votes if more than 1,000 votes are cast, the petitioner is not required to pay a fee. Otherwise, the petitioner must pay the calculated or estimated fee at the time of filing.[3]

Within five business days after completion of the recount, any candidate aggrieved by the recount may appeal to circuit court. The appellant must file the notice with the clerk of the circuit court together with an undertaking and surety in the amount approved by the court.[4]


Pennsylvania is next on the “list” with a 20-day shot-clock for filing (T – 48.8% Hk – 47.63%). You would hope that street-side shrilling while standing on top of a burnt out police cruiser wouldn't get you in the door. Neither would walking up with a suitcase full of other people's money. Apparently in PA “all” that is required is a deposit of $50 per district for the audit to take place. PA has no paper trail so the process appears to be simply asking the machine what it has inside (again). I've read some stories about the need for the recount petitioner in PA to prove before a court that there was fraud. Well, seems that really isn't true as the PA statute states that there is no requirement of proof.

Pennsylvania Statutes Title 25 P.S. Elections & Electoral Districts § 3262. Recanvassing voting machines upon petition of electors alleging fraud or error -


Lastly (hopefully) would be Michigan (T - 47.59% - hK- 47.34%)

Seems that this would be unlikely as Michigan appears to have gone to great pains before certifying the vote within the state. I've also not seen anything as of yet indicating that the 48 hour filing had occurred (??)

MCL 168.862; 168.879

SUBMISSION OF RECOUNT PETITION AND DEPOSIT: A petition for a recount which will be conducted under the authority of the Board of State Canvassers is filed with the Secretary of State. If a recount involves a U.S. House District, State Senate District or State House District that is wholly contained within a single county, the petition must be submitted no later than 48 hours “following the adjournment” of the meeting convened by the Board of State Canvassers to certify the election. For any other office, the petition must be submitted no later than 48 hours “following the completion of the canvass” of the election. If the office of the State Representative is involved, a copy of the petition is filed with the clerk of the State House of Representatives. If the office of State Senator is involved, a copy of the petition is filed with the Secretary of the Senate. (MCL 168.879)So the clown-car continues to careen carelessly down the mountainside.

Percentage differences between the two in WI and PA are pretty tight around 1%. Ohio not even close. Popular vote: Wisconsin vote difference is 27,257. PA vote difference is 70,638 and Ohio 454,983

Other factors weighing now are reports of death-threats to members of the electoral college... so interesting to see what happens with the delegates between now and December 13. (For more on the timeline for the electoral college check out the Archives site here (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html)) I don't think I would care so much if it weren't for the fact that I've seen this movie before. The dead dude always comes out of the lake and these political leeches are not going to go away if they think there is any chance of sucking more life out of Americans.

Here we go.

From the Electoral College page:

2012 Presidential election popular vote tallies

Pennsylvania: MR – 2,680,434; Zero – 2,990,274 Difference 309,840
Michigan MR - 2,112,673; Zero - 2,561,911 Difference 449,238
Wisconsin: MR – 1,407,966; Zero – 1,620,985 Difference 213,019

Swing state: Florida MR – 4,163,447; Zero – 4,237,756 Difference 74,309

[Paslode]

IMO the spin machine was ramping towards this scenario well before Nov. 8 with the constant spin of Russian involvement and their potential manipulation. Shortly before Nov. 8 the puppets on liberal sites/blogs began a new meme 'Fake News', and that has taken off like wildfire since Nov. 8. Within the past few days the libs are not only trumpeting that Breitbart, Drudge and Wikileaks are fake news sources they have now added that that are run by the Russians.

As of yesterday the libs are claming that Trump has already lost 5k in votes in one precinct in Wisconsin.......the sources if this information are dubius at best, but some libs pressing this on open forum none the less.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=trump+loses+5%25+of+vote&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=trump+loses+5%25+of+wisconsin+vote

At very least they are making things difficult for Trump, at worst they are setting up to steal the election.

[Paslode]

Here are more details on a PA recount:

http://billypenn.com/2016/11/23/a-pennsylvania-recount-for-hillary-clinton-a-nightmare-scenario-explained/

[Old Dog New Trick]

Smoke and Mirrors!

DNC and others (Soros) paying the 3rd Party candidate to drag the election out and attempt to delegitimize the president-elect.

Hitlery conceded, Bernie wasn't on the ticket.

Stein will become Gored and a political piranha. She's got nothing to lose and will lose her identity as a result.

Play silly games, win silly prizes.

[Paslode]

Smoke and Mirrors!

DNC and others (Soros) paying the 3rd Party candidate to drag the election out and attempt to delegitimize the president-elect.

Hitlery conceded, Bernie wasn't on the ticket.

Stein will become Gored and a political piranha. She's got nothing to lose and will lose her identity as a result.

Play silly games, win silly prizes.


Remember Norm Coleman:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/20/al-franken-may-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud

And don't forget Scott Foval and Robert Creamer:

‘How to Commit Voter Fraud on a Massive Scale’

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/18/commit-voter-fraud-massive-scale-part-ii-project-veritas-investigation-clinton-network/

[Old Dog New Trick]

Paslode-

One can hope, Google and FaceBook are about to find out they have become irrelevant.

Sedition laws in this country have long past been inept. I for one am hoping people (read media) face the full accountability of stirring the pot.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Remember Norm Coleman:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/20/al-franken-may-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud

And don't forget Scott Foval and Robert Creamer:

‘How to Commit Voter Fraud on a Massive Scale’

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/18/commit-voter-fraud-massive-scale-part-ii-project-veritas-investigation-clinton-network/

Gregoire (D) vs Rossi (R) Governors election times two in Washington State. Count and recount and recount again until the desired candidate is chosen.

[scooter]

The tightest race, Michigan, has a larger margin (10k votes) than has ever been overturned in a recount. The other states have more of a gap between Clinton and Trump. Michigan just certified their vote, where they painstakingly certified all the votes by hand. I don't see them doing a re-do without proof, but I could be wrong.

Other elections may have had shenanigans in the past, but I assure you the RNC plus Trump's team are going to be dry humping the recount staff during this.... No one is going to be able to pull a fast one with this level of scrutiny. I just don't see an overturn of three states, let alone one.

[Paslode]

I am with you on that. In a demented way, seeing prosecutions for sedition would fun to watch.

[BuckiBill]

I think Stein has raised $5.5 million in funding for these recounts.

Wisconsin said it would cost about $1,000,000. If that follows suit in Pa and Michigan refuses as they took great lengths to verify count, that would leave $3.5 million.

I think she can keep that money as it isn't campaign funds. Maybe just a way to take it mass funds.

[Trapper John]

I am beginning to think that the Trump effect was to so completely blow up the conventional "political think" that the progressives are desperately looking for relevance. The labeling frenzy that is going on is symptomatic (eg attacks on Sessions, Bannon, even Kelly Anne Conway). Not to mention protests/riots, police shootings/murders, colleges/universities declaring safe zones and even sanctuary status.


The recount movement has no chance of success and the Libs are pushing this in a veiled attempt to de-legitimize Trumps victory and like their pre-election messaging will further self-marginalize.

Just look at who is being pushed to take over the DNC: Ellison? Dean? Really, now there's some stable mainstream thinking fer ya. :D

Contrast this with the stability and progress of the Trump transition team and the projection of stability and focus of a Trump administration. When all is said and done, I think the contrast will be very apparent and compelling.

Oh and one more thing, I think Trump may be playing Romney to obtain a public apology and then appoint Giuliani as SoS. That move would completely marginalize the Never Trumpers and consolidate his Populist hold on the RNC. All the while the progressive Libs and the Dem party will be chasing its tail in search of relevance.

And you might look for a Cruz nomination to the SC. That would be two-for. Get's a Never Trumper out of the Senate and fills the SC with a conservative.

[Badger52]

Everyone keep this in mind the next time these "party" members rail against voter ID due to no need, due to no prevalence of fraud.

OT: Am in fine spirits this morning having bought a fresh spout for the yardwork's gas can, refusing with my middle finger to pay $18 for the new Gina McCarthy-Approved 2 gal. can (because they've done so well with our river system). Grrrr. :D

[Old Dog New Trick]

I just had interesting thought. Wouldn't it be ironic if the truth of unintended consequences revealed what the Klinton campaign says didn't happen.

News Flash: "Recount requested by Jill Stein reveals electronic election fraud committed by voting machines tied to George Soros. FBI opens investigation into possible vote tampering where voting machines electronically counted votes for Donald Trump as a vote for Hillary Clinton. Also noted in the investigation tens of thousands of paper and military absentee ballots are missing and presumed to have not been counted for either candidate.

As it turns out and through a thorough investigation under the incoming DOJ/FBI and other non-partisan groups, Donald Trump won the popular vote in addition to picking up electoral college votes in Washington, Oregon, Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont.

Arrest warrants have been issued for several members of the Soros family and the current whereabouts of Bill and Hillary Clinton are yet to be determined.

[Trapper John]

Old Dog, that goes way beyond a mere interesting thought and enters the wet dream provenance. :D

[Toaster]

So, California went with her by 4 million votes...California also registers illegals...

I wonder what the illegal turn out rate there is, I bet money it's higher than the average American rate.

[Badger52]

Arrest warrants have been issued for several members of the Soros family...[/COLOR]Since he's always been an advocate of open borders and, amidst taking action against the cultural invasion, his native Hungary is going the opposite direction maybe extradition (rendition?) could be possible. An old-fashioned 40gr RN W-W Lubaloy™ from the old hardware store at 29-cents a box would do it for me; don't want to be wasteful.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Since he's always been an advocate of open borders and, amidst taking action against the cultural invasion, his native Hungary is going the opposite direction maybe extradition (rendition?) could be possible. An old-fashioned 40gr RN W-W Lubaloy™ from the old hardware store at 29-cents a box would do it for me; don't want to be wasteful.

I'd be happy if the plane carrying him landed in Israel or Moscow by accident or malfunction.

[Badger52]

I wonder if the recall efforts are designed to widen the already wide gap and hate between parties in order to weaken us as a nation further.Not a trivial question. There is clearly a desire, prior to any inauguration, to disallow Trump ANY opportunity to:

a) dominate the news cycle
b) give any succor to those who may have voted Dem but were nationally on the fence and who may be watching a variety of cabinet appointments thinking "Hmmm" and, by that,
c) Allow him to appear at all presidential, as well as,
d) Stick it in the file for later, as a "tainted" election, even though a big chunk of their own media lapdogs are now confessing that they arrogantly "blew it." (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/)

I'm convinced it drives them nuts (not has driven because they're already nuts). A little Joan & Johnny Footsoldier gofundme thing on the internet that quickly snagged the millions needed (and they want more) is something facilitated by a pissed-off criminal enterprise.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I wonder if the recall efforts are designed to widen the already wide gap and hate between parties in order to weaken us as a nation further.

You think? It's part of the plan no matter how it goes. If the vote count gets closer they will use it to de-legitimize the presidency.

Nothing good can come from this.

[Ret10Echo]

,
d) Stick it in the file for later, as a "tainted" election, even though a big chunk of their own media lapdogs are now confessing that they arrogantly "blew it." (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/)



But that's the point here.....MSM is going to play this hard. If the election results were due to tampering or fraud or anything else, the mainstream media can salvage their reputation. Better to point to the states and those dedicated to a fair election process and chuck them under the bus. Yup, you guys in Pennsylvania.... you're too stupid to handle this. Ohio, you blue collar yokels have no business in the queen's business.

The Democratic Party would rather see the system destroyed. The policy of inciting hate and bigotry instilled by the current administration as a means of manipulating people remains strong.

Zero broke the national spirit because it fit his agenda. Klinton looks to continue the same.

We need to realize that the poison comes from people in expensive suits sitting inside marble buildings who have spent their entire life (sometimes for generations) stealing and perverting what this country is supposed to stand for.

[Ret10Echo]

Interesting take here....

I'm educating myself on the process:


November 27, 2016

The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts

By Richard Baehr

The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.

The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.

Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.

From American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts. html#ixzz4RIvlIV43)

[Paslode]

I was thinking....

IMO opion the absolute worst case is WI, PA and MI start the recount and one or more states fail to meet the Dec deadline. The vote goes to Congress. Congress then votes Trump as POTUS. Then weeks or months later the States finish their recounts and Hillary is found the winner is all 3 states.

Shit would hit the fan and people would be marching in the streets to a degree that would make Ferguson, MO look like a birthday party.

[Dusty]

I've heard Cornhuskers is good for you guys who keep wringing your hands.

[Ret10Echo]

I've heard Cornhuskers is good for you guys who keep wringing your hands.

:D

It's more of a cross between watching a good "thriller" movie and a morbid curiosity than anything else.... played out in real time.

[Trapper John]

Interesting take here....

I'm educating myself on the process:



From American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts. html#ixzz4RIvlIV43)

Interesting! But I doubt that a recount will get off the ground in PA. The process is very onerous. This requires 3 certified voters from each of ~9,000 precincts to access a form on-line, print it out, complete the form, sign it, get it notarized, and hand deliver it to the Clerk of Court for certification before the recount even begins. :eek:

So we can probably exclude PA from this clusterf___k. Trump still wins the electoral college.

So this recount bullshit is just that, bullshit, and there is another agenda at play here. My sense is that people see through this and it will only serve to further discredit the Clinton Crime Syndicate and the progressive liberals even further.

It is certainly interesting to watch the liberal MSM trying to spin this whole escapade. :rolleyes:

I was listening to one of the pundits today claiming that "well Donald Trump just said that the whole election was fraudulent" based upon one of his tweets.

Dumbasses took the bait again! :D

[Box]

...it's the state run medias last chance to run a "this might be the downfall of Trumps campaign" story

"this could be the beginning of the end"

[abc_123]

Oh and one more thing, I think Trump may be playing Romney to obtain a public apology and then appoint Giuliani as SoS. That move would completely marginalize the Never Trumpers and consolidate his Populist hold on the RNC. All the while the progressive Libs and the Dem party will be chasing its tail in search of relevance.


I could easily see Trump giving Romney hope and making the outwards appearance that he is interviewing him for the job....with absolutely ZERO intention of ever giving it to him. "Sorry Mitt, but I just don't think that you are a fit, but thanks for travelling to meet with me repeatedly and chasing after this job after bashing me publically during the campaign. Good luck to you in the future."

[Badger52]

I sometimes wonder if I am nuts, paranoid or if others see the same thing. Its like a script out of a bad movie.Don't be so hard on yourself. You're not counting all the peace that has sprung up around the world in the last 8 years after the Nobel Kommittee awarded their prize based on hope & promises.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Sorry should have been more specific. I meant to the point of inciting a civil war not just long term political games. Look he has not even taken office yet but MSM is already talking about he has failed this and broken that campaign promise. Psy ops in full swing. It seems like they are trying to incite a big armed rebellion. I could also be reading too much into it.

BTW I am NOT a big Trump fan, but feel he is a much better choice than the alternative. There are many folks like me that so much voted for him but against Hillary, it seems MSM is trying to turn those folks to their side while reinforcing and inflaming the anger of the liberal camp.

I agree noting good can come from this, unless your goal is to start a civil war.

I sometimes wonder if I am nuts, paranoid or if others see the same thing. Its like a script out of a bad movie.

I am beginning to be more and more hopeful of this everyday. If it's going to happen let it happen sooner rather than later as I'm getting older and less agile. It's been time for a reset for quite some time now and I'd rather participate to restore the natural order of things and let my son build a future along the lines of what the founders envisioned with some responsible updates to past wrongs.

Let the purge begin. I know who will win. I know how this movie ends - it's a good ending.

[Team Sergeant]

I think it's great that the socialists are asking for a recount. Wait until it's official that millions of the votes are illegal and 95% of the illegal votes were cast on the democratic/socialist side of the house. It will be hard to hide/bury that headline....

Komrade Stein just placed her foot up the socialists asre all the way up to her elbows.

This "recount" is going to backfire.

[Paslode]

Wisconsin Denies Request For Recount By Hand As Stein Threatens To Sue

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-28/wisconsin-denies-request-recount-hand-stein-threatens-sue

HAHAHAHA!

[Ret10Echo]

How much does the lawsuit cost Wisconsin?

Fun facts

*Under state law, the recount*must begin this week as long as Stein or another candidate pays the $3.5 million estimated*cost of the recount by Tuesday, election officials said.

Under the plan adopted Monday, the Wisconsin recount would begin Thursday, provided Stein, De La Fuente or both paid the $3.5 million by Tuesday. County officials would have to complete their recount by 8 p.m. Dec. 12 and then the state election commission would prepare the official recount for certification by Dec. 13 —*the deadline for guaranteeing that the state's electoral college votes are counted.

[Sigaba]

California also registers illegals....

I think that you're subscribing to a popular misreading of AB 1461. That bill called for the automation of voter registration, not for the automatic registration of any voters. <<Text of AB 1461 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461)>> and <<analysis of AB 1461 (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-ca-motor-voter-law-20151016-html-htmlstory.html)>>.

IMO, POTUS-elect 45 is doing himself no favors by rolling around in the mud with Stein or Clinton. Were he to let things play out, nothing would change IRT the results.

By getting bent out of shape, he's reminding those Americans who have concerns about his temperament why they had doubts in the first place. The erosion of confidence in his leadership will do more to damage his presidency than anything the Democrats can do presently.

My $0.02.

[Badger52]

HAHAHAHA!One of my favorite CO's had a translation for that (Carolina boy), something along the lines of "go pound sand" or words to that effect.

[Mustang Man]

By getting bent out of shape, he's reminding those Americans who have concerns about his temperament why they had doubts in the first place. The erosion of confidence in his leadership will do more to damage his presidency than anything the Democrats can do presently.

True

But the problem is people shouldn't be concerned about his temperament in the first place. Successful entrapneuers & business men often have great temperament. If they didn't, their bad decision making lead by poor unwise temperament would lead to patterns of failure.

I don't confuse his habit & will of speaking with a free tongue with bad temperament.

[Box]

I'd still like to see a Trump supporter demand recounts in blue states...
...just to swirl the water

[Paslode]

Entire post

But you do harbor a slight bias when it comes to HRC and DJT.

What ever may be said about her, @HillaryClinton again demonstrated this morning that she always has been and shall be a patriot.

[sinjefe]

^^^^^Ya think?

[PSM]

They are trying to make those state's electors miss the Dec 19 vote. That would send the decision to the House and Senate. But which House and Senate? This one or the one that will be sworn in in January?

Pat

[Old Dog New Trick]

They are trying to make those state's electors miss the Dec 19 vote. That would send the decision to the House and Senate. But which House and Senate? This one or the one that will be sworn in in January?

Pat

I thinks it's December 13, and it will be the new Congress in January.

ETA: states have to certify the general election by 12/13. Yes the electors vote on 12/19.

Here's a timeline for everything next:
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html

[Sigaba]

But you do harbor a slight bias when it comes to HRC and DJT.If you're going to reference my Tweets, don't cherry pick to score points with the home team.

[Paslode]

If you're going to reference my Tweets, don't cherry pick to score points with the home team.

I do not believe this is cherry picking.

You have come to the board to demonized and lecture about the pit falls of Trump on numerous occasions. On the other hand you consider one of the most insidious politicans of all time, one of the architects of the refugee crisis and an accomplice in the deaths of several Americans 'a patriot'.

I know you dispise getting trolled by the underclass, but the idea that Clinton is a Patriot and Trump is the incarnation of Evil.....It just doesn't balance out for me.

What is the home team? Referring to Hillary Clinton as a patriot on any liberal source of social media will score you points, on conservative sites not so much.


Words have meanings, and obviously sometimes they take on different meanings for differnet people.

[Ret10Echo]

The flailing continues.


By Brendan O'Brien | MILWAUKEE

Local officials in Wisconsin will decide for themselves how to carry out a presidential election recount after a state judge on Tuesday rejected a lawsuit by former Green Party candidate Jill Stein to have the ballots counted by hand.


Conflicting reports on whether she made the PA deadline. Shockingly, the left says she did and the right says she did not.

Why should things be different now?

[Dusty]

The flailing continues.




Conflicting reports on whether she made the PA deadline. Shockingly, the left says she did and the right says she did not.

Why should things be different now?

I don't know, but we don't need to be takin' our eyes off what the BG's are up to by gettin' distracted with silliness. This op Russia's pulling off is clangin' in my ol' noggin like the Liberty Bell.

[Badger52]

As of today's news... (http://www.timesherald.com/general-news/20161130/montgomery-county-judge-dismisses-recount-petitions)

more boo-f'n-hoo for the candidate that, in Wisconsin, garnered a whopping .011% of the vote.

Dusty, which particular shenanigan has your interest most piqued? The readiness level re Ukrainian missile tests near Crimea, the burnt up space cargo ship bound for the ISS, Putin's desire for a less-oil-based budget for his economy...?
:)

[Badger52]

From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
Marinette County Clerk Kathy Brandt was relying on "coffee, caffeine and chocolate" to keep her tabulators happy and even planning to play Christmas music CDs. But that wasn't how the county has been most creative.

"Our facility guys are pretty tech-savvy," she said. "When I put a call out for something to hold the rolls of ballots, (they found a way to modify) toilet paper holders."
:lifter

[Dusty]

Aleppo, Badger

[Badger52]

Aleppo, BadgerRoger. (Disregard PM if it gets there.)

[cbtengr]

There can be little doubt that the Klintons are involved in this effort. They may very well have funded it (with someone else's money of course.) Since they will not go away then they need to be put away, they could have faded into the sunset but have chosen not too. The new administration needs to deal with this criminal empire when Trump takes office. They are not so special that they get a walk.

[cedsall]

There can be little doubt that the Klintons are involved in this effort. They may very well have funded it (with someone else's money of course.) Since they will not go away then they need to be put away, they could have faded into the sunset but have chosen not too. The new administration needs to deal with this criminal empire when Trump takes office. They are not so special that they get a walk.

Roger. I have been of the opinion that as a result of the election results they will fade into insignificance.

Apparently that's not the case.

Unleash the hounds.

[Ret10Echo]

The Greens and Stein's initial attack on Pennsylvania has failed. Word is now that they will go to federal court to force a statewide recount. The margin of victory has narrowed as final vote tallys are in, but still not close enough to institute the automatic recount provided for under Pennsylvania law.

And on the Wisconsin front, it appears that recount efforts have resulted in 2 votes going to Klinton. That's $1.75M per vote thus far.

[Badger52]

I still don't believe the effort has ever been about finding the occasional errant votes or some altruistic nod to election integrity. It's about bogging down process to get the whole state's electoral package tossed for busting a deadline. Nobody, including the people that voted for Stein, believes they are acting as some shining knight, raging against the machine (unless they're making poses in a mirror).

If the Fed court (whoever hears that, maybe an Obama-appointee) rules for Stein to circumvent existing PA recount law/requirements - another meddling in states' self-determination - one should reflect on the importance of all judicial appointments. If it goes in Stein's favor, a question for the court would be, "ok, well are you going to extend the overall deadline for the electors to cast their votes?"

[The Reaper]

I would like to see the states send Jill Stein a letter explaining that if she had not run for POTUS and taken the votes away from Hillary in the first place, Ms. Klinton would have almost certainly been elected President.

TR

[Badger52]

I would like to see the states send Jill Stein a letter explaining that if she had not run for POTUS and taken the votes away from Hillary in the first place, Ms. Klinton would have almost certainly been elected President.

TRLOL, absolutely true enough. The whole thing is like watching a recalcitrant child looking around a room at some unsympathetic bigger kids.

[Ret10Echo]

Wisconsin continues to burn through Stein's "OPM" (Other people's money)

They should ramp up the effort to the tune of $7,000,000.00 concluding abruptly on December the 9th.

Just sayin'


Ed Morrissey
✔ ‎@EdMorrissey

WI recount, day 4 spreadsheet: Recount of precincts w/958,453 Election Night ballots in; Trump lead extended by 39 votes. ~35% complete.

4:17 PM - 4 Dec 2016

[Badger52]

Wisconsin continues to burn through Stein's "OPM" (Other people's money) The big hives are more expensive. Smaller counties are paying their volunteers $10/hr; naturally in Madison it's $20/hr. You know, safe-space surcharge & tithing to the High Church of Akademia, etc.

Nice trend. Screw 'em.

[Box]

...elections have consequences
...will you accept the results
...are you suggesting that there is voter fraud
...eat your peas



My my my how those pesky hypocritical democrats seem to have such short memories for the silly shit that they say.

Well, you cant spell liberals without "L I A R S"

[Ret10Echo]

Well apparently the "I'm gonna tell Mom" is the new approach by the crybullies....

DETROIT – Michigan must begin its presidential recount at noon Monday, a federal judge ruled in a late-night order that could make it more likely the state will complete the count ahead of next week's deadline.

[MR2]

I still don't believe the effort has ever been about finding the occasional errant votes or some altruistic nod to election integrity. It's about bogging down process to get the whole state's electoral package tossed for busting a deadline. Nobody, including the people that voted for Stein, believes they are acting as some shining knight, raging against the machine (unless they're making poses in a mirror).

If the Fed court (whoever hears that, maybe an Obama-appointee) rules for Stein to circumvent existing PA recount law/requirements - another meddling in states' self-determination - one should reflect on the importance of all judicial appointments. If it goes in Stein's favor, a question for the court would be, "ok, well are you going to extend the overall deadline for the electors to cast their votes?"

Don't forget the added bonus of being able to fundraise a quick $5 million.

I would like to see the states send Jill Stein a letter explaining that if she had not run for POTUS and taken the votes away from Hillary in the first place, Ms. Klinton would have almost certainly been elected President.

TR

Bingo!

[plato]

Jill Stein is a politician.
Jill Stein is getting "Media Exposure".
All else is secondary.

[Penn]

I have two concerns with regard to “fake news”

1. Google News page, which mirrors AOL/MSNBC/et al. Look at the selection of purveyors of information.

Google chooses to present, and for you to click on to. All are main stream media, liberal, agenda focused. imo, essentially functions as propaganda for the left.

2. Other media, the “fake news”, Newsmax, is an easy example, but reflects most agency that reflect similar traits as Newsmax, are just as propagandists as main stream.

My concern then is simple, who to trust. Since the 4th estate has squandered all moral authority, beginning in 2008 with separation identity politics, and both main stream parties ruled by global elitist, with a self perpetuating agenda. The question then becomes not this election, but when armed resistants begins

[Ret10Echo]

Is "Common sense" finally kicking in?

DETROIT – A federal judge who ordered Michigan to begin its recount effectively ended it on Wednesday, tying his decision to a state court ruling that found Green Party candidate Jill Stein had no legal standing to request another look at ballots.


Stein now is left with asking the Michigan Supreme Court to intervene, which is a long shot.

December 13 is approaching quickly. Pennsylvania court hearing comes this Friday

Full story here (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html)

[scooter]

"A federal judge who ordered Michigan to begin its recount effectively ended it on Wednesday, tying his decision to a state court ruling that found Green Party candidate Jill Stein had no legal standing to request another look at ballots."

Ah, there it is. They courts should have made that point a week ago... if Clinton wants a recount, let her file for one. But Jill has no chance of getting elected either way, and thus is wasting a bunch of people's time and money.

[abc_123]

Deleted. already being discussed in another thread

[Badger52]

That's what crybaby Jill Stein (proxy for the Klinton/Soros Crime Cartel) paid for her 66 votes gained, with the WI recount effort complete. That's the important part, right? Oh, wait....

Wisconsin's historic presidential recount ended Monday and resulted in a net gain of 131 votes for President-elect Donald Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton, the Wisconsin Elections Commission.

The recount resulted in a net change of 1,769 additional votes being counted, or 0.06 percent of the 2.975 million total ballot. The last statewide recount in a 2011 Supreme Court race added an extra 1,233 votes out of 1.5 million ballots.

Trump gained 837 votes from the recount and Clinton gained 706 votes. Trump won the state by 22,308 votes.

"Completing this recount was a challenge, but the real winners are the voters," WEC chairman Mark Thomsen said in a statement. "Based on the recount, they can have confidence that Wisconsin's election results accurately reflect the will of the people, regardless of whether they are counted by hand or by machine."

Full link here. (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/completed-wisconsin-recount-widens-donald-trump-s-lead-by-votes/article_3f61c6ac-5b18-5c27-bf38-e537146bbcdd.html) and it must've killed them to run this, because this paper (which comes in 9 & 12-packs, including Mega-size, same aisle as Klennex) is the local Pravda for all things purple in Madison & Dane County including trousers seen at Starbucks and the High Church of Akademia. In short, the print version of MSNBC.

Oh my tear ducts... Noch mal Angriff der Schadenfreude - and with PA telling the Stein campaign to pound sand...

In honor of the latest conspiracy I've put out my little set of nesting Santas, Russian, from, you know, Russia.

:rolleyes:

[bblhead672]

In honor of the latest conspiracy I've put out my little set of nesting Santas, Russian, from, you know, Russia.

:rolleyes:

Because *gasp* Democrats would NEVER think of using a foreign government to intervene in a Presidential election, would they Teddy Kennedy?

Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit (http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html)

[Ret10Echo]

Hopefully this ends this chapter......of course, the "hack" thread is still being clung to.....then the rogue elector obstacle approaches....and finally the innauguration security (no you can't burn your diapers on the National Mall January 20th)

. The recount effort by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein in three U.S. states came to an end on Monday, after weeks of legal wrangling yielded only one electoral review in Wisconsin that favored Republican winner Donald Trump.

A federal judge in Pennsylvania rejected Stein's request for a recount and an examination of that state's voting machines for evidence of hacking in the Nov. 8 election won by Trump

[Paslode]

Hopefully this ends this chapter......of course, the "hack" thread is still being clung to.....then the rogue elector obstacle approaches....and finally the innauguration security (no you can't burn your diapers on the National Mall January 20th)


The Russian meme goes at least back to August, and it was dismissed at the time.

It continues to be a real shit show.

[tonyz]

The left is attempting to delegitimize Trump before he sets foot in office...death by a thousand cuts.

Unfit...
Russians...
Putin Pal...
Recount...
Popular vote...
Etc., etc...nonetheless...

The Republican's are in the catbird's seat with all three branches, Supreme Court appointment(s), and a strong presence at the state level. Energy independence is within grasp and low tax rates and significantly higher employment is a real possibility. Immigration and security concerns will undoubtably be addressed. Obama's legacy, divisive politics and financial as well as foreign policy debacles could truly be exposed for the failures that they were. The Clinton's have finally been put to rest (until Chelsea).

Trump has an opportunity that truly makes the left tremble...let's see what he does...

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I believe this cartoon sums it up:

[Badger52]

I believe this cartoon sums it up:Superb! :cool:

[Box]

nice cartoon... but the left isn't done yet
they still have six days until the electoral college votes, they still have six days worth of fake news to release; they still have a billion dollars in campaign funding that they can use to bribe and threaten; they still have an incredibly popular POTUS to help control the narrative



...and we aren't talking about normal, decent people here - we ARE talking about the cliNt0ns

[bblhead672]

nice cartoon... but the left isn't done yet
they still have six days until the electoral college votes, they still have six days worth of fake news to release; they still have a billion dollars in campaign funding that they can use to bribe and threaten; they still have an incredibly popular POTUS to help control the narrative



...and we aren't talking about normal, decent people here - we ARE talking about the cliNt0ns

And they still hold the belief that the people will stand idly by and allow them to hijack the legitimate presidential election that did not go their way.

[Ret10Echo]

Watching the electoral votes come across

As of 15:55 Eastern: Trump at 258; Forest Wanderer at 143...

Seems the "unfaithful electors" are primarily rogue liberals going sanders or "Faith Spotted Eagle".

Funny-that.



December 19, 2016 3:55pm



Washington electors vote for Powell, Faith Spotted Eagle

Per Fox News' Robert Shaffer

Hillary Clinton has only received 8 of the 12 electoral votes in Washington State. The unfaithful electors voted for former Republican Secretary of State Colin Powell, while one voted for Faith Spotted Eagle -- a native American activist.

This makes the current tally:

256 Trump

143 Clinton

3 Powell

1 Faith Spotted Eagle

[cbtengr]

Watching the electoral votes come across

As of 15:55 Eastern: Trump at 258; Forest Wanderer at 143...

Seems the "unfaithful electors" are primarily rogue liberals going sanders or "Faith Spotted Eagle".

Funny-that.

So how long before a recount of the electoral college vote is demanded, how do we know this vote was not hacked and manipulated by outsiders blah blah blah blah blah.....

[tonyz]

Trump confirmed by EC results - TX reportedly pushed him over the goal line - Merry Christmas snowflakes.

[Badger52]

Well, since we're gonna have a 35° upswing in the temp tomorrow, think I'll celebrate with some left-over Schadenfreude pie.

Way to go Washington state electors; talk about spray & pray.
LMAO.

[Box]

awesome that a left coast state un-hillary'ed four of their electoral votes

[Divemaster]

Trump defeats Hillary...twice.

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton celebrated the 18th anniversary of his impeachment by casting a New York state electoral vote for his wife. Touching...poignant...futile.

[Ret10Echo]

Trump defeats Hillary...twice.

Ahhh... Not twice but THRICE... :D

November 8th

Recounts (thanks Jill Stein and Dim suckers...I mean "contributors")

Electoral College vote


I'm all about coming up creative ways for KlinTons to keep on losing.

[Badger52]

I'm all about coming up creative ways for KlinTons to keep on losing.They could simply head north & do a traditional walk out on the ice; polar bears & Mother Nature'll do the cleanup.

[bailaviborita]

That's got to be the funniest story I've read lately. So, to summarize:

- The Left tried to get electors to jump ship. They needed 37 or so Republicans to do so.
- There ended up 6 total who jumped ship. Of the 6, only 2 were Republicans. The other 4 jumped ship FROM Hillary.
- Of the 4 DEMOCRATS who jumped ship from Hillary, 3 voted for a Republican! And, of course, the other voted for F. Spotted Eagle.

Man- maybe I should fund those elector protesting groups- by that rate, if they are MORE successful, maybe next time they'll get even more to jump ship from their next candidate...

too funny...

Watching the electoral votes come across

As of 15:55 Eastern: Trump at 258; Forest Wanderer at 143...

Seems the "unfaithful electors" are primarily rogue liberals going sanders or "Faith Spotted Eagle".

Funny-that.

[bailaviborita]

By the way- I'm getting lots of emails from academic types to download as much government databases as I can for research before the "incoming administration wipes the Internet clean of all government data." These are the same types that couldn't sleep for the week of the election and who needed a safe space and counseling (provided free of charge via taxpayers, of course) and a hall pass to skip class and exams because of depression afterwards.

I've tried to poke them a little by replying with, "I hear they're going to burn books too - and take Amazon off-line. Better buy as many books as you can and hide them!" They don't think I'm funny.... (or maybe they think I'm serious!)

I'm telling you- they are really scared- they can't sleep and are very fearful for their LIVES because of all of their nightmares coming true. Some can't watch the Walking Dead anymore- because they think that will be our reality once The Donald defunds the CDC... I wish I was joking. And these are the ones that do the bulk of the nation's research and teaching at the collegiate level...

[Ret10Echo]

They could simply head north & do a traditional walk out on the ice; polar bears & Mother Nature'll do the cleanup.

That would turn the area into a Superfund Site... That much slime poured out across the virgin tundra....

[Old Dog New Trick]

By the way- I'm getting lots of emails from academic types to download as much government databases as I can for research before the "incoming administration wipes the Internet clean of all government data." These are the same types that couldn't sleep for the week of the election and who needed a safe space and counseling (provided free of charge via taxpayers, of course) and a hall pass to skip class and exams because of depression afterwards.

I've tried to poke them a little by replying with, "I hear they're going to burn books too - and take Amazon off-line. Better buy as many books as you can and hide them!" They don't think I'm funny.... (or maybe they think I'm serious!)

I'm telling you- they are really scared- they can't sleep and are very fearful for their LIVES because of all of their nightmares coming true. Some can't watch the Walking Dead anymore- because they think that will be our reality once The Donald defunds the CDC... I wish I was joking. And these are the ones that do the bulk of the nation's research and teaching at the collegiate level...

That's really unnerving. So many snowflakes that won't make it through winter. Well, better prepare for spring runoff now while the temperatures are cold.

On a side note, what did they think a Republican controlled House was going to do come January? Elect Faith Spotted Eagle...LMAO

[Badger52]

That would turn the area into a Superfund Site... That much slime poured out across the virgin tundra....:D EPA, hmm. They can take Gina McCarthy with them for supervision.

[cbtengr]

That would turn the area into a Superfund Site... That much slime poured out across the virgin tundra....

Well you got Slick Willy's attention with that "Virgin" tundra comment......

[Badger52]

Comments like these (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html) - gutless on their face - are precisely why they lost.

“I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we understood their problems,” he reportedly said.
“I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people — high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color — know that we could give a shit less about their problems,” he [Biden]reportedly said.
There; fixed it for ya, Joe.

He recalled watching a Trump rally in Pennsylvania near where he grew up and thinking, “Son of a gun. We may lose this election.”

Biden told the L.A. Times, “They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

Talking to them (and lying to them anyway when you do) doesn't get it. It's not the messengers you self-absorbed dunces - it's the message and, after you understand that, you've a few decades to convince folks that you actually believe it. Go ahead, y'all - fire some more of your PR staff who were only doing what you told them to do.

Oh, yeah - Merry [B]Christmas.

[Ret10Echo]

Well you got Slick Willy's attention with that "Virgin" tundra comment......

There's no drilling in the Arctic :D

[Ret10Echo]

Well, it appears that the winner is....

Wait for it...

Yup, Jill Stein and her recount fraud scheme (you can read that in a couple different ways)

Looks like M. Stein will pocket a few pieces of "leftover" change from the Dims-in-denial-gang. To the tune of something like $4 Million

Of course there will be a "foundation" established with what was left.... you know... the kind with lucrative salaries for those running it (Most likely Stein herself).

Schmucks

Story here (http://www.westernjournalism.com/jill-steins-recount-effort-was-a-failure-but-not-a-financial-one/)

[abc_123]

I'm OK with it. It siphoned money from stupid left wingers who might have otherwise used for it to do more harm.

[Box]

...and the money will be used to buy more snake oil.


Liberal Robin Hood - swindling the poor to empower the rich
Good for you Ms Stien

Good for you

[Badger52]

In most of those foundations - lib or otherwise - $4M doesn't get much.