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frostfire
11-09-2016, 20:06
Good riddance or loss?
Having gone through SF airport observing zero respect and courtesy towards vets and service members, I don't mind at all.
http://www.businessinsider.com/calexit-explainer-california-plans-to-secede-2016-11
Now there's a big surprise, what took them so long?
1stindoor
11-10-2016, 00:50
I fully support their exit. Take away every dime of federal funding for every thing.
Badger52
11-10-2016, 00:58
I fully support their exit. Take away every dime of foreign aid for every thing.Fixed it. Done. And because of their sanctuary policies, put 'em on the Dept of State's terror list.
:cool:
These efforts happen from time to time, whenever a few folks get butthurt about something. They bear no fruit when folks have another latte' and think about the milk drying up.
PedOncoDoc
11-10-2016, 01:51
The left will surely miss those guaranteed 55 electoral college votes. :boohoo
Instant 3rd World Country. Go for it!
Pat
1stindoor
11-10-2016, 05:31
Fixed it. Done. And because of their sanctuary policies, put 'em on the Dept of State's terror list.
:cool:
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Good catch!
sfshooter
11-10-2016, 05:49
Go for it! And good riddance to ya! Your state is so broke as it is you will be another Greece waiting for the bailout of nearby countries.
While we're building the wall we can just continue on up the border of Cali too.
PedOncoDoc
11-10-2016, 06:01
I saw a great post on a friend's FB page:
It's kinda hard to feel sorry for people who think that government should have virtually unlimited power but never consider it may fall into the hands of those they don't like....
Peregrino
11-10-2016, 06:09
I saw a great post on a friend's FB page:
It's kinda hard to feel sorry for people who think that government should have virtually unlimited power but never consider it may fall into the hands of those they don't like....
Oh, the irony! LMAO. (Well put; consider it stolen for retrans.)
RomanCandle
11-10-2016, 06:25
Fixed it. Done. And because of their sanctuary policies, put 'em on the Dept of State's terror list.
:cool:
These efforts happen from time to time, whenever a few folks get butthurt about something. They bear no fruit when folks have another latte' and think about the milk drying up.
I guess that wall just got LONGER! :D
Badger52
11-10-2016, 06:58
I guess that wall just got LONGER! :DEh, a few small surveillance grants to some folks on the backside of the Sierra Nevadas...
Much of it has some nice terrain & climate-based dis-enabling features to a good portion of their eastern border.
Arizona sees California's #Calexit and raises #1NRAting
RomanCandle
11-10-2016, 07:13
Eh, a few small surveillance grants to some folks on the backside of the Sierra Nevadas...
Much of it has some nice terrain & climate-based dis-enabling features to a good portion of their eastern border.
Whaddaya mean? The Astronauts won't be seeing it from space then?
How disappointing. I was hoping to take a sabbatical and come over to help lay the bricks. Won't be the first time an Irishman did that now would it. :D
PedOncoDoc
11-10-2016, 08:45
I guess that wall just got LONGER! :D
I can see it now - Trump makes California pay for the extension of the wall to separate California from the US border and offers a refund to Mexico for the part of the originally planned wall that is no longer necessary. :D
Badger52
11-10-2016, 10:20
I can see it now - Trump makes California pay for the extension of the wall to separate California from the US border and offers a refund to Mexico for the part of the originally planned wall that is no longer necessary. :DLMAO. Well, ain't that downright neighborly?
:D
If California actually votes for succession, we should raise a multi-million man army to preserve the Union by blockading the ports, invading California, killing a million commie-Californians, pillaging all the wealth in the state, slaughtering the livestock, burning 95% of the business, farms, factories, and houses...and then let them go.
Let the other side have a taste.
...then again, maybe I should be more light-hearted.
TOMAHAWK9521
11-10-2016, 15:54
If I recall, didn't California use armed soldiers to keep out the unwanted masses looking to swarm into the state in hopes of better living during the Dust Bowl years?
Now, we'll have to put armed soldiers and patriots on the state border to keep those unwanted masses contained.
I vote to support their secession.....it would make a socialist paradise...a tranny Army coupled with a Hollywood support team to ID all of the external haters.
Perfect.
CAARNG 68W
11-10-2016, 18:37
I'd love to have my first Title 10 Orders, after 4 years nonetheless, be from President Trump to prevent this utter nonsense. :D
Sounds as if Oregon want to join them in secession. Waiting to hear from Washington State, any rumblings up there Divemaster?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926172/First-California-Oregon-Portlanders-submit-ballot-petition-asking-state-secede-union-following-Trump-s-election-win.html
Yes, 100 percent, let the entire left coast depart the union.... But permenantly revoke the population's US citizenship after 12 months to allow people to relocate if so desired. Ensure the US removes all of its relevant defense forces and infrastructure on the way out.
Then seal the border.
Attempting to create a national security apparatus and dependable energy supply will cripple them in less than five years as the remaining population refuses to join any sort of military, allow oil refinement or importation, and sees their taxes go even further up now that the left coast has to provide all of the services and social welfare benefits that Uncle Sam currently provides.
Good luck.
miclo18d
11-12-2016, 01:43
Yes, 100 percent, let the entire left coast depart the union.... But permenantly revoke the population's US citizenship after 12 months to allow people to relocate if so desired. Ensure the US removes all of its relevant defense forces and infrastructure on the way out.
Then seal the border.
Attempting to create a national security apparatus and dependable energy supply will cripple them in less than five years as the remaining population refuses to join any sort of military, allow oil refinement or importation, and sees their taxes go even further up now that the left coast has to provide all of the services and social welfare benefits that Uncle Sam currently provides.
Good luck.
With this plan, we could just build a temporary wall, wait for them to eat each other alive, send in a few recon teams after five years then reclaim what is left and reincorporate the land.
But honestly, the more fun approach would be for them to "secede" and start a civil war... then Dusty could have a real open season on something he could actually hit!
No balls.
See you later, bitch. Find your own water and fund your own healthcare.
Dipshits. :p
Added bonus - remove California and Oregon and the Democrats will never sit in the Oval Office again.
Added bonus - remove California and Oregon and the Democrats will never sit in the Oval Office again.
I think a couple have recently figured that out and are going "wait a second...."
I've had some recent on the ground experience studying at Stanford and visited a lot of companies in the area such as Google, Tesla, Juniper, Autodesk, and VMWare.
Silicon Valley is clearly the most vibrant, innovative, and profitable "entrepreneurial centre of gravity" on the planet.
It could easily be killed, but would be very hard to replicate the conditions of success as displayed by countless failed efforts to do so.
Which would be quite detrimental to the country as that 50km radius from downtown Palo Alto is a profit and job creator unlike anywhere else on the planet.
What was strikingly funny AND scary was the following:
Out of my cohort of 162(all exceptionally successful folks in everything from Tech to Manufacturing, to Healthcare, to Banking, to Energy), not a single person thought Brexit had a hope in hell of passing.
You could hear a pin drop.
There are genuine downsides to Brexit for the UK, but that was ALL they could talk about. Brexit completely disrupted their thinking.
They couldn't comprehend anything beyond Propoganda Incorporated mass media messaging.
Stanford is a fairly conservative school as far as universities go today, almost reactionary compared to Berkeley on the opposite end of the spectrum.
But in having said that, it probably averages out to just left of Center, which is right wing for universities.
What was telling was the complete inability to discuss Donald Trump and the positive disruption potential his run could bring.
It did not compute in group discussion. Effectively a veto on alternative thought.
What was funny was the mainland Chinese entrepreneurs attending and other developing world entrepreneurs attending who tried to feel me out on my position admitted they were sympathetic due to the corruption they could see and relate it to their countries.
Since then, we've got a WhatsApp channel to stay in touch that is extremely active.
In the election lead up, it would have been akin to banishment from the network to promote Trump, while support for Hillary was open and broad with about 10% active promoters, with the rest just staying quiet.
Post election, they are once again completely disrupted like Brexit.
These are some of the "smartest people in the room" when it comes to their respective industry SME.
But it goes to show you that even a fair few folks at the top of the economic pile are incredibly vulnerable to confirmation and conformity bias.
Perhaps even more so.
When I've been asked since by a bunch of them what I think happened, I tell them I firmly believe they lack any form of accurate ground truth.
They are living in a crystal palace viewing the world thru filtered binos.
And when they so willingly accept and parrot the "check your privilege" meme they should instead be focused on checking their hubris.
In the end, Silicon Valley(therefore California beyond the entertainment industry) cannot survive without America.
But America would take a pretty big hit on tech exports without Silicon Valley(unless able to relocate domestically).
I just watched Rollerball with James Caan. Great 40+ year old movie.
And possibly a bit prescient with its backstory of corporate warfare and governance.
I'm stuck thinking about a hybrid of Rollerball universe and the Bankers Plot of the 1930's.
If any major tech oligarchs get too uppity, they may need to be brought to heel like in the 1930's.
Does that make it a "two front War"?
Having to fight Wall Street and their special interest lobby industry.
And also having to fight Silicon Valley.
Google does lobbying broad and deep, better than anyone in the Valley(straight from a senior Googler).
My old employer Amazon now owns the Washington Post.
Personally, I think California secession is lose/lose crazy.
But I think this is going to get UGLY.
I'm keen to see the next administration's strategy to deconstruct the rot and excess influence.
Badger52
11-12-2016, 23:31
I think a couple have recently figured that out and are going "wait a second...."
Thank you for that whole post; that is an interesting read.
ETA: Hope the quake (https://www.rt.com/news/366772-zealand-quake-damage-threat/) doesn't hit you with any serious after-effects.
Well its a good thing to know America could do without by far the largest part of its GDP, massive food production, and what would be the worlds 6th largest economy standalone...
My $,02 Crazy Politics are one thing, but careful what you wish for,this country needs to heal.
Thank you for that whole post; that is an interesting read.
ETA: Hope the quake (https://www.rt.com/news/366772-zealand-quake-damage-threat/) doesn't hit you with any serious after-effects.
It occurred 2 hours up the road from us.
Felt all across the country.
Having experienced thousands of small ones and a good few big ones, this was different.
It was like being on a small boat for 5 minutes.
Long slow constant movements far from epicentre.
We live on the beach and departed according to plan 1 hour before the tsunami sirens even went off.
Camped in at another location for 8 hours, and just got back home an hour ago.
The joys of NZ.
Cheers!
Divemaster
11-13-2016, 08:43
Sounds as if Oregon want to join them in secession. Waiting to hear from Washington State, any rumblings up there Divemaster?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926172/First-California-Oregon-Portlanders-submit-ballot-petition-asking-state-secede-union-following-Trump-s-election-win.html
I haven't heard anything about wanting to leave the union, but half these chowder heads probably think they've seceded because they already live in their own little world.
There have been multi-night protests in Seattle and Olympia. On Monday students in several high schools plan to walk out of class in protest. The only repercussion being that those students will be marked with an unexcused absence.
ETA: People are posting on Twitter using #Cascadia and #CascadiaExit. However I don't expect any traction. BTW, it was mostly the heavily populated I-5 corridor in Oregon and Washington that voted Clinton.
Badger52
11-13-2016, 11:07
The joys of NZ.
Cheers!All's well that ends well. "...plan" What a revolutionary concept.
;)
atticus finch
11-14-2016, 15:00
Well its a good thing to know America could do without by far the largest part of its GDP, massive food production, and what would be the worlds 6th largest economy standalone...
My $,02 Crazy Politics are one thing, but careful what you wish for,this country needs to heal.
We'd do rather well without what they grow out there. Farming here in the south would take off like a rocket with the market demand. It would put a lot of people back to work and a lot of idle areas would be economically boosted.
6th largest economy? That is true, what's the loss to the rest of us economically that the rest of the country wouldnt benefit from by making up for it?
Not to mention the current costs to the country that 6th largest economy comes with politically, culturally, etc. As it stand, the price isn't worth it.
6th largest economy
Don't think so, when we left 5 years ago it had slipped to 8th. Without federal funds (for military bases, airports, sea ports, highways, etc.) it won't even be able to compete with Mexico. Yes, it has resources but will not exploit them. Don't cut the trees, don't drill for oil, no nuclear power, tear down the dams, protect the Delta Smelt at the cost of the Central Valley crops. It would quickly make Venezuela look good because Americans can't stand hardship. Plus, Trump would put heavy tariffs on imports from there. Can't happen anyway but that's the reality if it could.
Don't know how to read your pink font, though. You might be saying the same thing through sarcasm.
Pat
We'd do rather well without what they grow out there. Farming here in the south would take off like a rocket with the market demand. It would put a lot of people back to work and a lot of idle areas would be economically boosted.
6th largest economy? That is true, what's the loss to the rest of us economically that the rest of the country wouldnt benefit from by making up for it?
Not to mention the current costs to the country that 6th largest economy comes with politically, culturally, etc. As it stand, the price isn't worth it.
Something to consider perhaps:
The cost per solar generated kilowatt/hour has collapsed from approx $77 dollars 40 years ago to the current limbo low example of $0.026c today(large scale project, not home installation).
That's unbelievably cheap. And good news in a part of the battle to kick the habit of energy addiction that enriches our enemies.
Commodity food has potential to be completely transformed by further automation and exponential potential via robotics/automation(productivity improving, but ag job killing), LED lights(indoor farming productivity per sq foot and energy requirements are looking very competitive), and lab grown genetically indistinguishable meat is a near reality(digital biology is very real).
% of workforce engaged in ag is extremely low, and will go even lower with automation/robotics, and digital biology.
It might be worth thinking about the future in terms of technological complexity & innovation balance of trade.
Do you import more technological complexity and innovation than you export?
If so, your community/state/region/country might be in trouble down the road.
The Stone Age ended before we ran out of stones.
The Bronze Age ended before we ran out of bronze.
And the Oil Age will end before we run out of oil.
Based on the very, very fast rising competitiveness of solar/wind power generation the end of the Oil Age may be within sight(although storage is still a problem in need of improved solutions).
We are also in a period where we are shifting to fewer people producing more of the GDP.
California is a huge exporter of commodity food as well as technological complexity & innovation......and a bit of a hub for left wing crazy.
Unfortunately, it seems like you can't get the tech/innovation exports without the crazy as a by product.
Exporting commoditised products and importing tech/innovation is a losing proposition for long term value creation in the shift from scarcity to tech/innovation fuelled abundance.
Afghan melons are pretty tasty, but I wouldn't want to emulate their sustenance level full employment model. Or anything else for that matter.
Sorry, I'm being injected with a bunch of Singularity University hippy propaganda as we speak.
But it is pretty science-y based!
In my opinion(which is both free and unsolicited so be careful!), If President Elect Trump does nothing more than simplify US tax code; throws a few politicians, lobbyists, and their employers in jail for sedition; and most importantly gets government out of the way of "the little guy" entrepreneurs.....then the American Dream will be reborn for a lot more folks.
Innovation made America great.....not soy beans, corn, and wheat.
Don't think so, when we left 5 years ago it had slipped to 8th. Without federal funds (for military bases, airports, sea ports, highways, etc.) it won't even be able to compete with Mexico. Yes, it has resources but will not exploit them. Don't cut the trees, don't drill for oil, no nuclear power, tear down the dams, protect the Delta Smelt at the cost of the Central Valley crops. It would quickly make Venezuela look good because Americans can't stand hardship. Plus, Trump would put heavy tariffs on imports from there. Can't happen anyway but that's the reality if it could.
Don't know how to read your pink font, though. You might be saying the same thing through sarcasm.
Pat
Do you really reckon?
California based tech companies generate a gigaton of foreign cash from tech exports.
Unfortunately, that cash /profit generated only from foreign sales is stashed in staggering quantities in overseas banks in hopes of another tax amnesty.
California tech punches WAY above its weight in terms of balance of trade for the US.
And it seems quite resilient based on its ability to not only survive but thrive with each tech crash.
A crazy combo of raw talent, education, R&D, and capital coming in from all over the world to fuel it(Silicon Valley specifically).
My biggest California specific concern as President would be to help accelerate it(which is usually just getting out of the way or targeting R&D$$$), but I'd also be looking at bringing the tech "masters of the universe" to heel, politically speaking.
The political power emanating from the tech industry goes far beyond the cash/profits and the well above average pay jobs they generate.
It's also the political influence shaping potential buried in mass marketplaces/ecosystems. That's some near future Rollerball 1975 stuff right there.
ddoering
11-15-2016, 02:14
How many of those companies would choose to emigrate to America if CA left the union? They are not tax friendly. And there economy is inflated by their BS housing market that values a shed at a million bucks. CA would quickly become a third world country or just another state of Mexico.
bblhead672
11-15-2016, 03:36
Well its a good thing to know America could do without by far the largest part of its GDP, massive food production, and what would be the worlds 6th largest economy standalone...
My $,02 Crazy Politics are one thing, but careful what you wish for,this country needs to heal.
Funny when the talk was about Texas seceding people were saying that Texas (11th largest economy standalone) couldn't survive without the rest of the country.
I believe the most productive people and companies would flock out of Kalifornia if the state wanted out of the United States. It's already happening on a smaller scale, as evidenced by the number of companies and it's employees relocating to Texas.
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your POV), kalifornia could survive without the rest of us due to its one saving geographical feature, ports. A warm water port protected by break-water is one of the most important features a nation needs to survive. If California goes, it will surely take its communist cousins Oregon and Washington with it resulting in a serious lack of west-coast trade. That's why the moon-bats in Chicago would never try to secede, the rest of Illinois (as well as most States) would shrug it off and let them go.
OACOK......
Badger52
11-15-2016, 14:02
A warm water port protected by break-water is one of the most important features a nation needs to survive.Seize the existing military space staked out as part of the divorce. Rest of the infrastructure (rail, Ike's road system) could remain mutually beneficial. Naval Commerce Bases (NCB's) Padre, Dodger, Giant & Mariner. Look how long we kept Gitmo.
:munchin
sfshooter
11-15-2016, 15:01
Innovation made America great.....not soy beans, corn, and wheat.
Innovation is great to an extent but....soy beans, corn, and wheat have kept America alive and fed the world for a lot of years.
I don't have any stats or proof but I think we have probably exported more food than we have technology.
Imo, Not really so wonderful. What happens when they go full communist or whatever mantra they have, and actrually start allowing Chinese or Russian forces to set up shop for security and economic boosts? Sounds like a recipe for another missile crisis. The huge port area will not help the problem any. Our oversights would also likely lead to a ground war against our former friends and family. I see no way of it going well. It would be a authoritarian leftest country that chose to leave based on a disagreement with American princples. Even if simple, then what? They need diplomacy, economics, militaries, intelligence, currency...ext. Nothing that assumes their track in ten to twenty years would still be friendly.
Flagg, your post reminds me that it is always interesting to me that even if people are brilliant they can still have irrational political views. Not saying you do, but speaking of any political view that differs our own. They are not really dumb people, even if all of it denies any fact to which we know. They are just true believers of a belief system. It does not matter if it makes sense or not. Astonishing, when a scientist or academic can have a career of only facts, to blindly scream that we need this fictional utopian society with a foundation of historically failed princples of mass murderers and war criminals.
Looking at these videos of those thousands dressed in black and rags, covering their heads and faces, while burning american flags, hanging effigys of our future president, and beating those whom do not follow, is NO different than looking at the Taliban taking AFG, and so many terrible others before them. Just following thier belief...it always starts slow and steady.
Or maybe I am the one who is wrong, blindly following the allegiance to the patriotic human principles of my nation.
I have even given a good portion of my life to serving it selflessly...what a deplorable true believer I have become.
We're just playing "what if" games here. There is no mechanism for succession and, even if there were, they wouldn't do it. They continue to disarm themselves and their only defense is increasingly Federally funded.
The takeaway here is that they are now discussing secession and are on the defensive, not the "red" states. There are now only 4 or 5 states where the Democrats rule all three branches. They are dying on the vine and they know it.
It's time make sure that the refugees from these states are not able to poison the Heartland as they flee the rubble that they've created.
Heartland states need to enact laws that restrict "refugee" citizen's right to vote in local and state elections for some period of time. I'd recommend 10 years. They can't be stopped from voting in a Federal election for President but they can be stopped from voting for Congressman during the probation years. I've only been in AZ for 5 years and I still do not have an honest feeling of who deserves my vote and I pay pretty close attention to what's going on.
Liberalism/Socialism/Progressivism/Communism is a disease and needs to be quarantined and eraticated.
Pat
CAARNG 68W
11-15-2016, 18:46
Seize the existing military space staked out as part of the divorce. Rest of the infrastructure (rail, Ike's road system) could remain mutually beneficial. Naval Commerce Bases (NCB's) Padre, Dodger, Giant & Mariner. Look how long we kept Gitmo.
:munchin
Huh?
Innovation is great to an extent but....soy beans, corn, and wheat have kept America alive and fed the world for a lot of years.
I don't have any stats or proof but I think we have probably exported more food than we have technology.
Here's a few numbers and links that might help us:
Ag exports as proportion of total exports(chart of last 20 years, ag trending down proportionally, but with a recent bump up):
http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-trade/us-agricultural-trade/interactive-chart-the-evolution-of-us-agricultural-exports-over-the-last-two-decades/
OCONUS cash held by US tech companies(tech $777 billion out of $1.68 trillion of cash held by non bank companies):
http://www.siliconbeat.com/2016/05/20/apple-microsoft-google-cisco-oracle-hold-cash-moodys-report/
Over half a trillion OCONUS cash held by just 5 companies: Apple($216 billion) Microsoft, Google, Cisco, and Oracle.
All Silicon Valley HQ'd except Microsoft but with a big presence there.
Those numbers make El Chapo Guzman and his giant piles of drug cash look like a dirty hobo in comparison.
I can't imagine the pressure that must be getting exerted by powerful company management, influential shareholders, potential for direct political influence(Google manipulating search ranking & presentation and Facebook shaping friend influence), and the usual indirect political lobbying and campaign funding.
That's getting into quasi corporate nation state levels of influence/power.
A half a trillion in cash has a negotiated return home....
At what tax rate?
How much has to be invested in future campaign finance to get that tax rate?
How will the cash be deployed/invested upon its return?
I wonder what pressure the next President can put on their overseas bank accounts?
And this is the part where eyes glaze over discussing things like the "double Irish" and "Dutch sandwich" quasi legal tax minimisation schemes that led to drug lord X100 piles of undeployed cash.
Imagine if the next President said something like:
"You have 12 months to bring that cash home at 0% tax rate and another 12 months to deploy/invest it within the US in designated infrastructure projects or the tax rate increases to 100% when the calendar hits 24 months from today."
Very crude, over simplistic, and would see huge distortions, but there'd be a jillion jobs available, Star Trek transporters, and petabit speed for all.....assuming Congress wasn't rented to oppose it.
Badger52
11-15-2016, 22:41
Huh?Tongue-in-cheek "what-if's" here.
Maybe you'd prefer memorials to football teams.
Volunteer
11-27-2016, 16:29
Anyone in the UK claiming to know what the average person in Oregon is thinking WRT secessionist thinking must have bumped their head, irrespective of what somebody in the UK may be quoting from idiots in the people's republic of Portland.
Oregon is deeply red, outside the larger population centers.
V/R
Volunteer
Sounds as if Oregon want to join them in secession. Waiting to hear from Washington State, any rumblings up there Divemaster?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926172/First-California-Oregon-Portlanders-submit-ballot-petition-asking-state-secede-union-following-Trump-s-election-win.html
RCummings
04-17-2017, 18:21
Calexit backers withdraw 2018 California independence bid
Posted: Apr 17, 2017 3:33 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 17, 2017 3:33 PM PDT
By Associated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Supporters of a long-shot bid to make California an independent nation are ending their effort to put it to a statewide vote next year.
The secretary of state's office confirmed Monday that Marcus Ruiz Evans, vice president of the Yes California Independence Campaign, notified officials he intends to withdraw the California Nationhood ballot measure.
The group's president, Louis Marinelli, says in a message to supporters that he is seeking permanent residence in Russia. He says supporters may try again to separate California from the United States at a later date.
The movement drew extra interest after last year's election of Republican Donald Trump as president.
Marinelli says the group has nearly 100,000 registered supporters. Supporters needed more than 585,000 signatures by July to put a measure on the ballot.
frostfire
04-18-2017, 02:15
The group's president, Louis Marinelli, says in a message to supporters that he is seeking permanent residence in Russia.
BWAHAHAHAHHAAHA!
See, it all ties back to the Ruskies. It's Russia all along! :p
RCummings
04-18-2017, 09:12
I don't know about the Russians but, I will say it's nice to see a professional instigator throw in the towel and get out of the United States of America. I only hope that he has a great PR firm pitch his condos at the foot of the Urals, and many more folks who don't love this country move.
V/R
Bob
Badger52
04-18-2017, 11:52
I don't know about the Russians but, I will say it's nice to see a professional instigator throw in the towel and get out of the United States of America. I only hope that he has a great PR firm pitch his condos at the foot of the Urals, and many more folks who don't love this country move.
V/R
BobPutin's Foreign Ministry should suggest an alternative location; Venezuela or Haiti for example.