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Seems in their zeal to retain soldiers for the wars a lot of reenlistment bonus incentives were mistakenly paid. Now Uncle wants that money back. I am guessing their are some social programs that need the money a lot worse. The money was suppose to go for the retention of critical MOS's.
"Robert Richmond, an Army sergeant first class then living in Huntington Beach, said he reenlisted after being told he qualified for a $15,000 bonus as a special forces soldier. The money gave him “breathing room,” said Richmond, who had gone through a divorce after a deployment to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2003."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html
Badger52
10-22-2016, 13:35
Let San Francisco have their new soda-pop tax and let them have the new grocery tax and whatever other "Prop" is on the ballot. They'll never notice a thing in the coffers.
Those that should pay it back are those who engaged in the conduct to falsely pay it in the first place (if such exists).
Why? B F Y T W
sfshooter
10-23-2016, 01:46
Read the LA Times article earlier today and thought that things haven't changed all that much with the DoD.
When I left language school and PCS'd to Campbell (I had just reenlisted 3 months earlier) I took 30 days leave. The Army decided that I owed them money for the 30 days (they didn't see where I had reenlisted) and I got NO PAY DUE for 2 consecutive pay checks. That really puts the hurt on a guy with a new family and a move and all. I was filling out Red Cross paper work to get a loan to try and survive, what with vehicle payments, rent, childcare, etc.... I guess that was one of the things that pushed me out just a couple of years later.
I think if Uncle Sam is wrong then the GI should not have to pay for it. The sacrifice troops make for this country is more than enough to make up for stupid mistakes the government does.
Governor Moonbeam and Major General Stardust can pack sand. Those vets did what was asked of them and then some. What an embarrassment to the state that hosts the Reagan Library.
Nothing is too good for americas service members and that is exactly what the government is going to give them...
The Reaper
10-23-2016, 09:48
They should look up "Remission of Indebtedness", AR 600-4.
http://www.benning.army.mil/mcoe/sja/content/pdf/Remission%20of%20Indebtedness.pdf
They should complete and promptly submit DA Form 3508-R, Application for Remission or Cancellation of Indebtedness. In addition, they will need to submit a DA Form 2823 (Sworn Statement), latest LES, documents relating to the debt, and possibly more with their 3508-R depending on the type of debt and their circumstances. Cite injustice, hardship, time since the overpayment was made, and inability to repay such a large sum.
See their IG for further assistance.
TR
They should look up "Remission of Indebtedness", AR 600-4.
http://www.benning.army.mil/mcoe/sja/content/pdf/Remission%20of%20Indebtedness.pdf
They should complete and promptly submit DA Form 3508-R, Application for Remission or Cancellation of Indebtedness. In addition, they will need to submit a DA Form 2823 (Sworn Statement), latest LES, documents relating to the debt, and possibly more with their 3508-R depending on the type of debt and their circumstances. Cite injustice, hardship, time since the overpayment was made, and inability to repay such a large sum.
See their IG for further assistance.
TR
A lot of these people left service a while back.
UWOA (RIP)
10-23-2016, 12:35
A lot of these people left service a while back.
Doesn't make any difference. Relates to service time and consequently recourse is afforded through the ARs. Same argument as applies to correction of military records ....
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NurseTim
10-23-2016, 14:43
In my twisted thinking I see a similarity to the bonus marchers of the 1920's.
In my twisted thinking I see a similarity to the bonus marchers of the 1920's.
As in their efforts will be fruitless and will be violently dispersed by future war heroes?
Remington Raidr
10-23-2016, 16:58
As in their efforts will be fruitless and will be violently dispersed by future war heroes?
Some future General of the Army will step up. And it was the 1930's Tim. 1932 to be exact.:munchin
Streck-Fu
10-24-2016, 06:39
I was deployed in 1996 when I received a HUGE paycheck. My next LES showed that I received 9 months back BAH and BAS.... I promptly hit up my chain of command to my division officer. I tried doing to our disbursing officer, etc. To a man, they all said, we can't do anything to correct and DO NOT spend it. About 6 months later, they hit me up for half my pay check to repay the debt. I managed to save most of the over payment (;) ) thankfully.
Everyone I spoke to advice recommended that I do not take action to repay the debt before the pay auditors figure it out on their own otherwise they may very well end up taking it back twice and getting the money back if they make that mistake would be near impossible.
I really feel for those affected in California, especially those no longer in service. Their recourse if far more difficult because they are no longer in service, the appropriate branches may not be interested in helping separated service members.
bblhead672
10-24-2016, 07:22
I really hate our government bureaucracy and ineptness at doing the most mundane of tasks. And these people want to be in control of every aspect of our lives.
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of college loans go decades before being paid, if at all.
and nearly 50 percent of the American electorate would prefer this level of disgraceful incompetence to something different simply because of a leaked access Hollywood video of a rich playboy talking like a rich playboy...
...and Hillary will fuck troops over FAR worse once she has successfully bought her way into the white house
It is sad to acknowledge that I have a dysfunctional relationship with my nation. It's like a battered wife that can't see that her husband is the bad guy.
... we just keep letting an inept government fuck us in the ass
I'm sorry government, I didn't mean to burn dinner again. This is all my fault, please forgive me.
2018commo
10-24-2016, 08:59
DOD should tax CANG from their annual allotment of federal funds and be done with it. The 2 governors the TAGs and USPFO's from that period should be charged, this needs to never happen again.
Since this is on his Facebook page, I'll re-post this comment from a talk show host on KFI radio, Los Angeles:
Back story: MOST of these soldiers knew they were ineligible.
I've served in the Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Utah and California Army Guard. Without exception, California had/has the most openly corrupt reenlistment/retention and Educ. Loan departments.
I was XO of A Btry 1/144 Field Artillery in 2008/09 and the collusion between ineligible soldiers and the full time reenlistment mafia was an open secret. When I reported this I was told "It'll all come out in the wash." It was also made clear that I should never talk about it "at my civilian job." (KFI)
https://www.facebook.com/TheDarkSecretPlace/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf
Pat
It is sad to acknowledge that I have a dysfunctional relationship with my nation. It's like a battered wife that can't see that her husband is the bad guy.
... we just keep letting an inept government fuck us in the ass
I'm sorry government, I didn't mean to burn dinner again.
Now, that right there is beautiful.
It looks like a large part of the Kalifornacate Bonus Army may be self inflected,, on a large scale.. :munchin
15.2mil @ 10K average would make 1500++ bonus checks,, invalid...
Million False Claims...
Info: This is archived material from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) website. It may contain outdated information and links may no longer function.
Former California National Guard Master Sergeant Sentenced to 30 Months in Federal Prison in $15 Million False Claims Case
U.S. Attorney’s Office May 30, 2012
Central District of California (213) 894-2434
LOS ANGELES—The California National Guard’s former Bonus and Incentive Manager was sentenced today to 30 months in federal prison for submitting $15.2 million dollars in false and fraudulent claims to the United States Department of Defense.
Retired Master Sergeant Toni L. Jaffe, 52, of Citrus Heights, was sentenced by United States District Judge Dolly M. Gee. In addition to the prison term, Judge Gee ordered Jaffe to pay $15,200,000.
“Ms. Jaffe deliberately misappropriated millions of dollars of federal government funds, and she has now been held accountable for her actions,” said United States Attorney André Birotte, Jr., whose office prosecuted the case. “We appreciate the California National Guard’s cooperation with federal investigators to help bring this serious fraud and abuse to a halt.”
Jaffe pleaded guilty in August 2011 to making a false claim against the United States. When she pleaded guilty, Jaffe admitted that from the fall of 2007 through October 2009, she routinely submitted false and fictitious claims on behalf of her fellow California National Guard members. Jaffe admitted that she submitted claims to pay bonuses to members of the California National Guard whom she knew were not eligible to receive the bonuses and to pay off officer’s loans, even though she knew the officers were ineligible for loan repayment. According to her plea agreement, Jaffe is responsible for $15.2 million in wrongfully paid bonuses and loan repayments.
“As the Bonus and Incentive Manager for the California National Guard, defendant Toni Jaffe was entrusted to millions of dollars of Department of Defense funds,” prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo filed with the court. “Defendant completely and utterly abused that trust. During a two-year period, defendant gave out over $15 million of government funds to friends, colleagues, and others whom she knew were not entitled to receive that money.”
Jaffe specifically pleaded guilty to a January 2009 incident, in which she submitted a fraudulent claim on behalf of a California National Guard officer resulting in the payment of a $20,000 Critical Skill Retention Bonus to which he was not entitled.
Link to article (https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/losangeles/press-releases/2012/former-california-national-guard-master-sergeant-sentenced-to-30-months-in-federal-prison-in-15-million-false-claims-case)
Makes one wonder why this conviction took place in 2012 and is just now floating to the surface??
In the Facebook link (Oct 22) that I posted above, in the comments, The Dark Secret Place posts that there was even a murder involved with a link to an L.A. Times article on the event.
Pat
Badger52
10-25-2016, 11:50
If the convicted embezzler is on the hook, as result of legal judgement*, for the $15.2M, then the Soldiers shouldn't be.
* Good luck with that.
:rolleyes:
If the convicted embezzler is on the hook, as result of legal judgement*, for the $15.2M, then the Soldiers shouldn't be.
* Good luck with that.
:rolleyes:
I'm not a 2L,, but the idea that they think they can recover the money from someone that never had possession of it seems kinda strange??
All the cases she signed off on should be available records and they should be going after the ones that received the money..
Maybe it's New Kali Math?? :munchin
Badger52
10-25-2016, 15:45
Maybe it's New Kali Math?? :munchin
Are we sure she wasn't in charge of housing & relocations for the VA?
sfshooter
10-25-2016, 18:31
The bonus scandal has made it to the wimps in congress. Appears they are trying to do the right thing..............we'll see if it's just words or not:munchin
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/24/lawmakers-blast-pentagon-over-clawback-improper-military-bonuses.html#
if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor
here is your bonus
I have faith in Congress doing the right thing..................it's an election year.
I have absolute faith Congress will fix this.
It's easy, fairly cheap, universally looks good, provides opportunities for grandstanding, and shows support for the troops. Did I say it was cheap already?
This should be fixed by Halloween.
I have absolute faith Congress will fix this.
It's easy, fairly cheap, universally looks good, provides opportunities for grandstanding, and shows support for the troops. Did I say it was cheap already?
This should be fixed by Halloween.
Fixed: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/26/carter-suspends-pentagon-s-demand-return-cash-bonuses-to-california-soldiers.html
Pat
bblhead672
10-26-2016, 10:20
It is sad to acknowledge that I have a dysfunctional relationship with my nation. It's like a battered wife that can't see that her husband is the bad guy.
I'm sorry government, I didn't mean to burn dinner again. This is all my fault, please forgive me.
Great analogy.
bblhead672
10-26-2016, 10:23
Fixed: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/26/carter-suspends-pentagon-s-demand-return-cash-bonuses-to-california-soldiers.html
Pat
"Suspended" isn't "fixed". Suspended means delay further attempts at forcing reimbursement by the soldiers until after the election so as not to sway any voters against HRC. Fixed means forgive the debts and write if off, repaying all soldiers who have been reimbursing the government.
bblhead672
10-26-2016, 10:26
I have faith in Congress doing the right thing..................it's an election year.
I have zero faith in Congress doing the right thing anymore regardless of whether it's an election year. Their idea of the "right thing" is rarely what most thinking people would consider to be "right".
Van Meter said he refinanced his home mortgage to repay $25,000 in reenlistment bonuses and $21,000 in student loan repayments that the military says was improperly given to him..
Lucy,, splain to me how an officer got a reenlistment bonus??
How does anyone go about being "fair" as far as fixing this goes? They have already collected a lot of money, it will be kinda hard to write off some bonuses with out giving the money back to those who have made restitution to uncle. This is a classic example of the ineptitude of our government.
Badger52
10-26-2016, 15:24
This is a classic example of the ineptitude of our government.That's why they should run health care, postal delivery and the trains. Oh, wait...