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frostfire
10-07-2016, 13:10
Got a laptop with camera or webcam?
Willing to spend several minutes following simple instruction?
Don't want to sell your plasma to afford $$$ ammo to upgrade/maintain skills?
Willing to spend $50 to $70 for laser cartridge?
Ready for hours of ear-to-ear grinning fun + good training?
HH6 doesn't mind (SAFE) indoor use of firearm and rearranging furniture here and there?

Then ShootOff is for you!
http://shootoffapp.com/#features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isQtTH3fvuQ

It keeps record of shot placement, time, and plenty other features. I just discovered this software and spent hours doing Bullseye format for score, PAR time for draw, random draw for target ID, and many other exercises. If you're willing to put extra smackaroos with a projector it gets even better, but I am cheapskates practical so I just tape targets on the wall, superimpose the software target on it, pick a distance and start having fun. Imagination is the only limit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CCFZWU06hA


Yes, no recoil and unless you have a DA pistol (or willing to spend $200 on resetting trigger), it's one shot at a time, but that first hit to the CNS is what I'm working on to second nature level. It also help me to fulfill that 100x dry fire to 1x live fire requirement. I plan to use with to instruct pistol newbies at my unit as well. Quicker to set up than EST without the booking hassles and inevitable equipment troubleshooting

oh, did I mention it's completely free?

JJ_BPK
10-07-2016, 16:22
Interesting,, need to do some homework.. :munchin


Do you have a preference for make/model laser? Would using a pistol like a SIG P220 DA/SA need to have the slide cycled per shot,, or is it a continuous fire?

frostfire
10-07-2016, 19:38
Interesting,, need to do some homework.. :munchin


Do you have a preference for make/model laser? Would using a pistol like a SIG P220 DA/SA need to have the slide cycled per shot,, or is it a continuous fire?

I cannot speak for other model, only what I use, which is laserlyte. There are other, cheaper alternative. Let me know if you find an excellent (cheap) model.

The laserlyte has 2 rubber O rings and I had learned you have to rotate it until the windage is dead on. Can't do much about zeroing for elevation unless you have adjustable rear sight. But that's the beauty of ShootOff, I just adjust the software targets over actual target for POA = POI i.e. I can simulate shooting 50 yard or even 100 yards sight picture at 10 yards.

The weakest link are definitely those rings IMHOO. So don't let it stay in the gun and clean the gun from oil/solvent/carbon first before placing. The first model I received went kaputt after several weeks. The switch end cap was the culprit. To laserlyte credit, they replaced the whole thing for free. Now I baby the rubber rings, remove it from barrel using qtip when not in use, clean it and take it apart to preserve battery and switch life.

Yes, with SIG 220 that's a continuous shot. I use the M9 DA to make music using the musical targets :D, to do plates, as well as dueling tree. Again, no recoil for sure, but you still get the par time exercise and shooting cadence based on "acceptable" sight picture. Literary endless (cheap) educational fun!!!

I would buy the generous programmer a keg any day and twice on Sunday!

Now I need to find laser cartridge for 7.62 x39, 5.56, .45, .22 and 7.62 x 51!

JJ_BPK
10-08-2016, 04:56
Now I need to find laser cartridge for 7.62 x39, 5.56, .45, .22 and 7.62 x 51!

NOT A RECOMMENDATION:

Found this laser kit, covers 4 calibers in one, 9mm, 40S&W, 45 ACP & 5.56??

link: Laser Ammo SureStrike Ultimate LE Edition, by Laser Ammo
(https://smile.amazon.com/Laser-Ammo-223SSUK-SureStrike-Ultimate/dp/B008AXO46U?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A30DGGRQPDAP9Y)

frostfire
10-08-2016, 06:13
uh...that's pricey.

Along the same topic, another alternative.
http://northosoft.com/sharpspotter/HTML/index.html
It's simpler to use, quicker to load, and includes a shooter vs. shooter scenario. I like the ability to turn any portion of the target to no shoot area i.e. hostage and the different audio feedbacks

Leozinho
10-08-2016, 07:13
I don't like being a naysayer, and I wanted to try the SIRT and Laserlyte.

But I keep coming back to the fact that most top USPSA shooters don't use them and don't recommend them. They are concerned that seeing the visible laser will lead to the bad habit of looking for your bullet holes rather than watching the sights.

There might be some top USPSA shooters that have trained with a laser, but I'm not aware of it. I"m aware of many that don't, though. I'm talking about National Champion level.

(The SIRT also has the problem of being Glock or M&P-centric and you'll never replicate your actual trigger on the SIRT.)

I have read that some folks have successfully used an infrared laser on the SIRT to eliminate the aforementioned problem. The webcam and software still picks up your hits, but you don't have the problem of wanting to look for the laser.

I don't think Laserlyte is making an infrared version.

frostfire
10-10-2016, 05:11
I don't like being a naysayer, and I wanted to try the SIRT and Laserlyte.

But I keep coming back to the fact that most top USPSA shooters don't use them and don't recommend them. They are concerned that seeing the visible laser will lead to the bad habit of looking for your bullet holes rather than watching the sights.

There might be some top USPSA shooters that have trained with a laser, but I'm not aware of it. I"m aware of many that don't, though. I'm talking about National Champion level.

(The SIRT also has the problem of being Glock or M&P-centric and you'll never replicate your actual trigger on the SIRT.)

I have read that some folks have successfully used an infrared laser on the SIRT to eliminate the aforementioned problem. The webcam and software still picks up your hits, but you don't have the problem of wanting to look for the laser.

I don't think Laserlyte is making an infrared version.


Leozinho, I don't think that's naysaying at all and legitimate points overall. When I use this set up to coach, I strongly cautions against watching for the millisecond "red splash" on the target. To emphasize further, I set the adjustable sights so the laser impact is obstructed by the sights and only visible to the coach. When training myself, I use a recording program on the webcam to verify my shot calls.

What these programs do is putting timer, shot placement record, and targeting all in one platform....in a cheap format....and makes doing the 100 to 1 ratio more entertaining


Speaking of National Champion level, here's Max Michel who used to shoot for the AMU and now a top record holder in USPSA and Steel Challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-s7qoAmkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liUnDS9eMU4