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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 09:19
It's probably going to happen ....
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-gop-trump-go-unraveling-break-glass-mode-n622116
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/happens-trump-decides-quit-205000640.html
And there's a lot of traffic on Trump's mental well-being ....
Personally, I've felt for a long time (based on my graduate work in Psychology -- I'm just four hours short of a Master's degree) that Trump evidences sociopathic behavior evidenced by ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder). So there's quite a few episodes that have given grist to that mill.
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Team Sergeant
08-03-2016, 09:26
I've no doubts that (ultra left wing) Yahoo "news" and NBC news could paint Albert Einstein as high school dropout that that was a loser that worked for the gov in a low paying job and was terrible at math........
Your sources are questionable at best. ;)
Personally, I've felt for a long time (based on my graduate work in Psychology -- I'm just four hours short of a Master's degree) that Trump evidences sociopathic behavior evidenced by ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder). So there's quite a few episodes that have given grist to that mill.ODD could also be called: Oppositional Denial Disorder...:munchin
UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 09:52
ODD could also be called: Oppositional Denial Disorder...:munchin
Don't thinks so. Caught two murderers with my forensic profiling ... so I don't think I'll ask for refund.
Thanks anyway.
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PedOncoDoc
08-03-2016, 09:54
Don't thinks so. Caught two murderers with my forensic profiling ... so I don't think I'll ask for refund.
Thanks anyway.
And your observations of Clinton are significantly different?
How about any other high-powered politician?
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 10:15
And your observations of Clinton are significantly different?
How about any other high-powered politician?
:munchin
I don't think she's a sociopath. I think she's a liar, a thief, an opportunist, and a con artist ... so in that regard she and Trump are only alike as con artists. ... and no, I won't be voting for her either.
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 10:20
I've no doubts that (ultra left wing) Yahoo "news" and NBC news could paint Albert Einstein as high school dropout that that was a loser that worked for the gov in a low paying job and was terrible at math........
Your sources are questionable at best. ;)
Top, I don't think it's just the left-wingers who are talking about it ... it's a topic of conversation, in different forms, on almost every news forum ....
e.g.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-called-donald-trump-express/story?id=41090007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senior-gop-officials-exploring-options-trump-drops/story?id=41089609
Anyway, that's the buzz around the water fountain ....
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I don't think that the GOP is not going to dump Trump any more than the Dems will dump Clinton (Unless she gets arrested...except even the FBI won't do that).
The horses for this race have been chosen. One of them will be our president.
I don't think Trump is crazy. I think he speaks off the cuff more than he should, and that he is not playing by "the Republican candidate rules" (e.g. let the dems say and do whatever they want and don't ever return fire or go for the kill)
Trump is use to conducting "cut-throat" business deals every day of his life. He is used to getting his way or taking his toys and leaving.
I am sure he has utilized "politics" in his business dealings, but again, if he didn't get his way or buy his way, he left.
In the world of politics, it's a different beast. Right now, he has people voting for him for some of those very reasons.
But, should he get elected, he will find that he will often times not get his way and simply have to live with it.
PedOncoDoc
08-03-2016, 10:32
But, should he get elected, he will find that he will often times not get his way and simply have to live with it.
Didn't we learn over the past 8 years that this is what executive orders are for?
Didn't we learn over the past 8 years that this is what executive orders are for?
Sure. Then he can do what shouldn't be done...rule by EO!
Team Sergeant
08-03-2016, 10:38
I don't think that the GOP is not going to dump Trump any more than the Dems will dump Clinton (Unless she gets arrested...except even the FBI won't do that).
The horses for this race have been chosen. One of them will be our president.
I don't think Trump is crazy. I think he speaks off the cuff more than he should, and that he is not playing by "the Republican candidate rules" (e.g. let the dems say and do whatever they want and don't ever return fire or go for the kill)
Exactly.
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Don't thinks so. Caught two murderers with my forensic profiling ... so I don't think I'll ask for refund.
Thanks anyway.
. That's a big ass stretch...So now, Trumps a murderer?:confused:
Divemaster
08-03-2016, 12:12
That's a big ass stretch...So now, Trumps a murderer?:confused:
I'm pretty sure UWOA was speaking to his confidence in his profiling ability, and pointing out his past success at it. It's a big ass stretch to say he was calling Trump a murderer.
DJ Urbanovsky
08-03-2016, 12:24
I don't think she's a sociopath either (although she does present traits). I think she is a psychopath:
A disregard for laws and social mores. Persistent criminal behavior.
A disregard for the rights of others.
A failure to feel remorse or guilt.
A tendency to display violent behavior. In her case, this typically manifests itself in verbal outbursts. See anyone who has served on her protection details. Although she and Bill have left quite the stack of bodies in their wake...
An inability to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy towards others.
Adept at use of manipulation, mimicry, cunning, and duplicity to achieve one's ends. The big one here is mimicry. Most psychopaths learn to use mimicry very early on in their lives. It is their biggest survival mechanism, because without it, the rest of society is able to see them for what they truly are.
I don't think she's a sociopath. I think she's a liar, a thief, an opportunist, and a con artist ... so in that regard she and Trump are only alike as con artists. ... and no, I won't be voting for her either.
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I don't think she's a sociopath either (although she does present traits). I think she is a psychopath:
A disregard for laws and social mores. Persistent criminal behavior.
A disregard for the rights of others.
A failure to feel remorse or guilt.
A tendency to display violent behavior. In her case, this typically manifests itself in verbal outbursts. See anyone who has served on her protection details. Although she and Bill have left quite the stack of bodies in their wake...
An inability to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy towards others.
Adept at use of manipulation, mimicry, cunning, and duplicity to achieve one's ends. The big one here is mimicry. Most psychopaths learn to use mimicry very early on in their lives. It is their biggest survival mechanism, because without it, the rest of society is able to see them for what they truly are.
That is an excellent summation !
Possible sociopath?
Respectfully...and seriously...based on what evidence? I'm not talking communist drive-by media news cuts, let's get down to substance.
Whether it's Khan, a crying baby, Crimea, Nuclear Weapons...any of those comments that are seen in their own context, IOW, watching the actual speech where those comments are made, Trump's instinct, and rationale, have proven correct.
Khan the puppet, now, as revealed, Muslim Brotherhood supporter and strict Sharia Law adherent....validating Trump's comments on why the Mother did not speak...she's not allowed to speak. Was it the best move? Of course not.
He wasn't wrong though.
The baby...asking the Mother to leave during a speech? Trump was clearly teasing and respectful.
Crimea...who in their right mind wants to risk a War over Crimea...right on, Trump. No thanks. That is Russia's backyard. Russia isn't our Huckleberry.
Nuclear Weapons...dang right. We've used them before, and by God, in this day and age, we need a CIC that isn't afraid to use them again.
Oh, and Fried Chicken with knife and fork...top story on CNN as of an hour ago.
This is the content of recent news speak...and why certain elements of the GOP, RINO's (democrats) are revealing themselves...the context tells the tale.
Now Hitlery, in addition to DJ's excellent points, the woman has willingly sacrificed American lives without hesitation...not for any strategic aim, not for a higher cause...and with no remorse. Psychopath? Sociopath? Yeah, check both boxes for Mao's daughter.
ddoering
08-03-2016, 13:29
Possible sociopath?
Whether it's Khan, a crying baby, Crimea, Nuclear Weapons...any of those comments that are seen in their own context, IOW, watching the actual speech where those comments are made, Trump's instinct, and rationale, have proven correct.
Khan the puppet, now, as revealed, Muslim Brotherhood supporter and strict Sharia Law adherent....validating Trump's comments on why the Mother did not speak...she's not allowed to speak. Was it the best move. Of course not.
The truth is not supposed to come up in American politics.
UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 15:37
That's a big ass stretch...So now, Trumps a murderer?:confused:
Totally irrelevant to your original argument. You said I should get my money back regarding my education in psychology; I respond by saying that I have successfully used that knowledge in other venues. I never implied that Trump was a murderer. Come on! Use a little horse sense ... either that or pink font ... because you've got to be kidding me or you're too close to the target and aren't doing an adequate recon ....
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 15:49
Possible sociopath?
Respectfully...and seriously...based on what evidence? I'm not talking communist drive-by media news cuts, let's get down to substance.
Whether it's Khan, a crying baby, Crimea, Nuclear Weapons...any of those comments that are seen in their own context, IOW, watching the actual speech where those comments are made, Trump's instinct, and rationale, have proven correct.
Khan the puppet, now, as revealed, Muslim Brotherhood supporter and strict Sharia Law adherent....validating Trump's comments on why the Mother did not speak...she's not allowed to speak. Was it the best move? Of course not.
He wasn't wrong though.
The baby...asking the Mother to leave during a speech? Trump was clearly teasing and respectful.
Crimea...who in their right mind wants to risk a War over Crimea...right on, Trump. No thanks. That is Russia's backyard. Russia isn't our Huckleberry.
Nuclear Weapons...dang right. We've used them before, and by God, in this day and age, we need a CIC that isn't afraid to use them again.
Oh, and Fried Chicken with knife and fork...top story on CNN as of an hour ago.
This is the content of recent news speak...and why certain elements of the GOP, RINO's (democrats) are revealing themselves...the context tells the tale.
Now Hitlery, in addition to DJ's excellent points, the woman has willingly sacrificed American lives without hesitation...not for any strategic aim, not for a higher cause...and with no remorse. Psychopath? Sociopath? Yeah, check both boxes for Mao's daughter.
I refer you to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-V) under anti-social personality disorder (ASPD) and its subset sociopath descriptors. He more than fits the parameters.
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 15:59
I don't think she's a sociopath either (although she does present traits). I think she is a psychopath:
A disregard for laws and social mores. Persistent criminal behavior.
A disregard for the rights of others.
A failure to feel remorse or guilt.
A tendency to display violent behavior. In her case, this typically manifests itself in verbal outbursts. See anyone who has served on her protection details. Although she and Bill have left quite the stack of bodies in their wake...
An inability to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy towards others.
Adept at use of manipulation, mimicry, cunning, and duplicity to achieve one's ends. The big one here is mimicry. Most psychopaths learn to use mimicry very early on in their lives. It is their biggest survival mechanism, because without it, the rest of society is able to see them for what they truly are.
I can't say you're wrong there, as the difference between the two is self-awareness of right vs. wrong. Hilary has the ability, much as any competent attorney to nuance language to 'avoid' language traps set out by others -- much like her husband, Bill in his infamous defense of his sexual infidelity and follow-on perjury to conceal it, i.e. "it depends on the meaning of what the word 'is' is."
By the way, I went to the FBI National Academy in 1996 with a couple of guys from the uniformed Secret Service detail at the Whitehouse (They set up a walk through of the Whitehouse while the Clintons were out of town which included the Oval Office) and you're dead on with how she treated people there while she was FLOTUS.
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 16:07
A bit short of a dump, but indicative of the consternation in Republican quarters.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/03/republicans-planning-trump-intervention-after-rocky-week.html
Hopefully, things'll get straightened out (Too late for me, I'm voting Libertarian on this iteration.)
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Badger52
08-03-2016, 16:09
Now Hitlery, in addition to DJ's excellent points, the woman has willingly sacrificed American lives without hesitation...not for any strategic aim, not for a higher cause...and with no remorse. Psychopath? Sociopath? Yeah, check both boxes for Mao's daughter.She is a unstable narcissist. She is in a position to actually enjoy the getting caught, and the non-consequences. Those non-consequences are critical & are super-nova illumination to all the little people that she is wiser and more powerful and, ultimately, untouchable. All she wants to see you stupid kulaks is the top of your head as you bow; this hasn't changed since she was FLOTUS. (Her machine will take care of the vote count anyway in case you forget.)
I believe she's actually an evil person.
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I don't like either one of them but at least Trump is accomplishing what I said need to happen years ago. He's shaking the trees and screwing up their good old boy network which is what got us into this mess in the first place. Until this fully happens NOTHING will change. It's going to suck but hopefully it will result in something good happening in the future. Term limits would be a FANTASTIC start.
GratefulCitizen
08-03-2016, 18:00
Trump appears to be ruthless and ambitious.
He will not play well with others in D.C.
It is entirely possible that he will do permanent damage to existing power structures in the federal government.
A small part of the good work done by the Feds may be harmed.
Collateral damage.
We still have state and local governments.
On balance, the destruction will probably be a net benefit.
It's definitely a risk, but risks must be taken while opportunity still exists.
One more liberal presidency, and peaceful revolution will no longer be possible.
Old Dog New Trick
08-03-2016, 18:00
Hopefully, things'll get straightened out (Too late for me, I'm voting Libertarian on this iteration.)
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I hope you change your mind. I've been voting Libertarian for pretty much the last 30-years. And what did I and tens of thousands of others get for it? A Clinton and Obama.
First time shame on me, second time shame on all of us.
If Hillary wins on the account of voters for Johnson we failed ourselves to rally behind the one person who has a small chance to buck the system. If it's close they will keep recounting the ballots until she wins. It has to be a landslide in favor of.
Let the impeachment proceedings begin after January and Pence can run the country. I think he'll be running things anyway from day one.
JMO
UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 18:22
I hope you change your mind. I've been voting Libertarian for pretty much the last 30-years. And what did I and tens of thousands of others get for it? A Clinton and Obama.
First time shame on me, second time shame on all of us.
If Hillary wins on the account of voters for Johnson we failed ourselves to rally behind the one person who has a small chance to buck the system. If it's close they will keep recounting the ballots until she wins. It has to be a landslide in favor of.
Let the impeachment proceedings begin after January and Pence can run the country. I think he'll be running things anyway from day one.
JMO
I can't disagree with you on that, but I can only hope that others, both the Democratic and Republican camps (i.e. Bernie Sanders supporters and those that Trump alienates on the Republican side), will turn to the third party in sufficient numbers to elect Johnson. He seems to be the only principled, but still on the outside, individual left on the ballot that can preserve the Union. The only other alternative for me is for the RNC to dump Trump and put Pence in his place, then I would vote for Pence.
Naive, perhaps, but I cannot, on principle, vote for either Trump or Clinton.
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Old Dog New Trick
08-03-2016, 18:33
I can't disagree with you on that, but I can only hope that others, both the Democratic and Republican camps (i.e. Bernie Sanders supporters and those that Trump alienates on the Republican side), will turn to the third party in sufficient numbers to elect Johnson. He seems to be the only principled, but still on the outside, individual left on the ballot that can preserve the Union. The only other alternative for me is for the RNC to dump Trump and put Pence in his place, then I would vote for Pence.
Naive, perhaps, but I cannot, on principle, vote for either Trump or Clinton.
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Totally understand.
A man has to respect himself in the morning before he can earn the respect of others throughout the day.
I've been a staunch supporter of Johnson, Ron Paul and Perot once upon a time and long ago.
But I think we have to destroy the two party system first and Trump may be the one who blows it all up.
If one looks at the stats of a 3rd party today it is not viable.
Do your isolation prep evaluation presentation/mission analysis. Waste of time today.
We do not commit ODA's to operations that are losers. The Command Group says 'No Go'.
If you vote for Johnson you vote for Hillary.
Pure/simple.
If you do so then own it.
Reality.
As an example....without Ross Perot as a third candidate we might not know who the hell Hillary Clinton is.
UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 19:02
While I do not agree with your stance I understand and respect it
What is your analysis of Hillary.
She is a manipulator, obsessed with the trappings of power. Fortunately or unfortunately, she is very astute -- smarter, in my opinion, then her husband, but that makes her all the more dangerous. She will always take the easy road when it comes to decision-making because she's lost in the clouds. She is so consumed with the 'big' picture that she plows through the small details that can make or break a program -- she leaves those details to her subordinates, often chosen for their loyalty more than their ability, and that's why failure is almost a certainty -- it certainly turned out that way in Benghazi ....
In conclusion, I think that she's a narcissist who is used to getting her own way. She'll get us involved in wars that we don't need to be involved in ... and she will certainly dial up the possibility of a nuclear event, either with Russia or China ....
JMHO.
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UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 19:12
If one looks at the stats of a 3rd party today it is not viable.
Do your isolation prep evaluation presentation/mission analysis. Waste of time today.
We do not commit ODA's to operations that are losers. The Command Group says 'No Go'.
If you vote for Johnson you vote for Hillary.
Pure/simple.
If you do so then own it.
Reality.
As an example....without Ross Perot as a third candidate we might not know who the hell Hillary Clinton is.
I do my prep:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/opinions/libertarians-opinion-zwolinski/index.html
Trump is doing himself in, regardless of my vote (the latest was his comment on the Purple Heart he was given by some mindless vet, which turned my stomach); he just dropped ten points behind Hilary in the latest polls -- and he's the one who touts polls. Besides, I disagree with you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary -- it is what it says it is: a vote for Johnson. I'll never vote for an individual I view as the new personification of Adolf Hitler, and that's something I'll own ....
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I do my prep:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/opinions/libertarians-opinion-zwolinski/index.html
Trump is doing himself in, regardless of my vote (the latest was his comment on the Purple Heart he was given by some mindless vet, which turned my stomach); he just dropped ten points behind Hilary in the latest polls -- and he's the one who touts polls. Besides, I disagree with you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary -- it is what it says it is: a vote for Johnson. I'll never vote for an individual I view as the new personification of Adolf Hitler, and that's something I'll own ....
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As long as you know you are simply doing a Ross Perot...have at it.
Sitting out this election is most definitely naïve. The choice is binary. Trump or Clinton. And to "hope" for any different result is, well... crazy. But I will admit to forgetting what step in the MDMP process "hope" is factored in? Help?
Comparing Trump to Adolph Hitler... wow. I'm sure that at least one store needs to re-stock tinfoil. At the very least.. It's a insinuation that our system of checks and balances will fail and that we are in for another Kristallnact and that would mean... more tinfoil.
I find it amazing that when a R candidate grows a spine (admittedly the candidate is flawed) the accusations are launched that he is "Crazy", "Hitler" , "racist" etc./
UWOA (RIP)
08-03-2016, 21:12
Sitting out this election is most definitely naïve. The choice is binary. Trump or Clinton. And to "hope" for any different result is, well... crazy. But I will admit to forgetting what step in the MDMP process "hope" is factored in? Help?
Comparing Trump to Adolph Hitler... wow. I'm sure that at least one store needs to re-stock tinfoil. At the very least.. It's a insinuation that our system of checks and balances will fail and that we are in for another Kristallnact and that would mean... more tinfoil.
I find it amazing that when a R candidate grows a spine (admittedly the candidate is flawed) the accusations are launched that he is "Crazy", "Hitler" , "racist" etc./
Voting for the Libertarian candidate is not sitting out the election; it makes a statement.
As for your other observation, our democratic system bred the Joe McCarthy era of the fifties, so we're not immune to a demagogue spinning a democracy on its head. Besides, there a plenty of Republicans who have a spine. I've been a Republican since 1964 when it was lonely to be one. Just because he's a salesman who can snow most disadvantaged Americans or those feeling disenfranchised as to his ability doesn't mean that Trump has snowed everyone. Even those in his corner are coming out now and making similar statements as to his actions. So don't shoot the messenger, because the messengers numbers are mounting. You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.
But that's the beauty of a democracy, we don't have to agree, but neither do we have to pillory each other with invective because we have different perspectives about what we're seeing. Besides, as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory says, "I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested." LOL.
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But, should he get elected, he will find that he will often times not get his way and simply have to live with it.
Didn't we learn over the past 8 years that this is what executive orders are for?I think Trump has learned that lesson and has stated his intentions to act on that point. He said (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/full-transcript-donald-trump-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974#ixzz4GKYyChtZ):On January 21st of 2017, the day after I take the oath of office, Americans will finally wake up in a country where the laws of the United States are enforced.
How can the federal government reach that level of enforcement on the second day of a president's administration--before an AG has been nominated and confirmed by the Senate?
Voting for the Libertarian candidate is not sitting out the election; it makes a statement.
As for your other observation, our democratic system bred the Joe McCarthy era of the fifties, so we're not immune to a demagogue spinning a democracy on its head. Besides, there a plenty of Republicans who have a spine. I've been a Republican since 1964 when it was lonely to be one. Just because he's a salesman who can snow most disadvantaged Americans or those feeling disenfranchised as to his ability doesn't mean that Trump has snowed everyone. Even those in his corner are coming out now and making similar statements as to his actions. So don't shoot the messenger, because the messengers numbers are mounting. You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.
But that's the beauty of a democracy, we don't have to agree, but neither do we have to pillory each other with invective because we have different perspectives about what we're seeing. Besides, as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory says, "I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested." LOL.
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DSM 5.....it is kind of like Snopes, unreliable imo. I mean DSM 5 renamed perversions so that they are now considered mere 'Disorders', which in turn makes them more palatable.....in line with renaming Illegal Aliens to Undocumented workers or renaming terrorism to work place violence, AQI to ISIS, or ISIL or Daesh.
Based on the current state of the US it would appear that Joe McCarthy wasn't all wrong.
As far as Trump snowing people, maybe some. But if you look back on previous topics and browse other forums the overwhelming theme of support is his ability to upset the established norms, not that that he is going to perform some sort of magic that will trandorm America.
He has done exactly that up to this point.
Is the US a Constitutional Republic or a Democracy?
How can the federal government reach that level of enforcement on the second day of a president's administration--before an AG has been nominated and confirmed by the Senate?
That precedent has been set over the past 7+ years by Obama and the 2 houses of do nothing.............Executive Fiat.
Old Dog New Trick
08-03-2016, 22:17
Everyone gets to vote for the candidate of their choice if that person got his or her name on the ballot. You can even write a name in if that suits you.
I believe that Gary Johnson is still the best candidate on the ballot but as I found out in the past, voted for him twice now, he is not electable because of the system. That's unfortunate!
Ultimately within the system that is our current (two party) government we have to vote not for the person or party we like the best but who is best for the country.
Not just choosing between the lesser of two evils but choosing between who will accomplish the least amount of damage to our Republic over the next four years or longer. Who's policies domestic and foreign will cause irreparable harm?
I'm voting for the country and feel confident that of the choices I have Trump/Pence is that person. The alternative, Hillary Clinton will stack the SCOTUS and the Federal Government from DOJ to IRS to every cabinet level office with the same type of people that are hell bent on destroying everything this country once stood for.
I could not and may not continue to call America my home. I have six years to retire again and if the next four years are anything like the last eight years I may be moving overseas before I reach that milestone. I'd rather be an expatriate than a patriot of a country I don't recognize any more.
ETA: Our Constitution and government has many ways to insure the checks and balances necessary to accept or reject rogue leaders unless the deck gets stacked. The deck has been stacked and the status quo needs to be reset. Hillary is the status quo candidate - nothing will change.
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!" Yeah, riiiiight! (You lie!)
Naive, perhaps, but I cannot, on principle, vote for either Trump or Clinton.
Agreed there. FWIW I think your assessment of Trump is spot on. My $.02 we've seen the results of what eight years of gutless narcissist can do to a country, Trump whatever his mental classification isn't gutless which to me makes him even more dangerous. There isn't a silver lining here . If they were both snakes I'd think Hillary is a python and trump is a cobra. You don't want to do the lambada with either but one could be a slow death for the republic (which you could possibly escape) and the other could be a fast venomous death.
I will never vote for a Clinton, but it's probably best for Trump he dodged Vietnam, if the NVA weren't dangerous enough, he is such a consummate asshole to so many different people I think he would have gotten fragged. I just see dictator traits in the man.
If making a statement simply meant withstanding 4/8 years of Hillary Clinton I'd be slightly more amenable.....we can survive her as we have Obama.
However, how we will survive the next 20+ years of the liberal Jurists she'll appoint to the SCOTUS is a different circumstance.
How we will have the Constitution re interpreted over that period could change the face of the United States forever.
So, make your 'statement' but understand the repercussions of your blank round.
It makes noise but has no effect whatsoever.
UWOA,
News sources (including foxnews), with respect to Trump, are completely unreliable. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, yahoo, almost all of the major city newspapers etc. have all "Motherfucked" him from the very beginning. They have all stated, on numerous occasions, how he is "about to implode". They have all been chattering for over a month on how he is "about to quit". They're projecting and are simply not in tune with what average Americans are thinking.
Fuck them.
Golf1echo
08-04-2016, 00:30
Interesting back and fourth and good to see the position many of us have, if these are the candidates presented to the American public, then our two parties are very broken and this is the start of a process to fix them from the outside hopefully resulting in the inside working to do that as well.
If one looks at the stats of a 3rd party today it is not viable.
Do your isolation prep evaluation presentation/mission analysis. Waste of time today.
We do not commit ODA's to operations that are losers. The Command Group says 'No Go'.
If you vote for Johnson you vote for Hillary.
Pure/simple.
If you do so then own it.
Reality.
As an example....without Ross Perot as a third candidate we might not know who the hell Hillary Clinton is.
It doesn't get anymore succinct than that!
If your using Yahoo News for any kind of credible reference like I did until recently, regardless of catagory you might want to review that...as much as I want it to be, it just isn't!!!
UWOA (RIP)
08-04-2016, 08:33
DSM 5.....it is kind of like Snopes, unreliable imo. I mean DSM 5 renamed perversions so that they are now considered mere 'Disorders', which in turn makes them more palatable.....in line with renaming Illegal Aliens to Undocumented workers or renaming terrorism to work place violence, AQI to ISIS, or ISIL or Daesh.
Based on the current state of the US it would appear that Joe McCarthy wasn't all wrong.
As far as Trump snowing people, maybe some. But if you look back on previous topics and browse other forums the overwhelming theme of support is his ability to upset the established norms, not that that he is going to perform some sort of magic that will trandorm America.
He has done exactly that up to this point.
Is the US a Constitutional Republic or a Democracy?
You make a cogent point about DSM-V, it's not accepted well by a lot of psychiatrists, but it is still the designated source for psychiatric disorders. Me, I was trained on DSM-IV, and still prefer it over the latest iteration.
We didn't need McCarthy to point out the communists infiltrating our institutions. I only point him out as an illustration that the cure might be worse than the disease -- I fear more what Trump might screw up beyond repair more than I desire what he might fix. To that end there are others, more qualified and without the baggage of a cheat and a lying dissembler that Trump is, with Mike Pence leading the crew. Pence, I'd vote for.
Hopefully, it is both: a constitutional republic and a democracy (with a small 'd').
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You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.
The positions outlined here don't seem too general.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
UWOA (RIP)
08-04-2016, 09:34
The positions outlined here don't seem too general.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
But what will they be tomorrow? "I have a relationship with Vladimir Putin." Then, "I have no relationship, never had a relationship with Vladimir Putin."
Just one example of how he changes his tune, sometimes in the same interview. "I don't know the guy, but yeah, I played golf with him."
Seeing is believing. You can talk all you want about the bias of the news media, but when you see the words coming out of the man's mouth, it doesn't matter whether they are biased -- the truth becomes self-evident and a person can make their own judgement of the veracity of the candidate.
He's for the common man ... until Trump stiffs him and doesn't pay him for services performed ... or outright flim-flams the person by touting services that will never realize their objective and don't even comport with the law (Trump University). Should those people have done their due diligence before relying on the words of such an individual. Most assuredly. I am, and will do my due diligence, which is why I've decided to go another route ....
Unless you're implying that they doctored the videos ....
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Streck-Fu
08-04-2016, 09:36
The positions outlined here don't seem too general.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
I wish President Obama stuck to Candidate Obama's positions on most issues..
The Reaper
08-04-2016, 10:00
I wish President Obama stuck to Candidate Obama's positions on most issues..
He can't.
Those were campaigning positions, not governing positions.
TR
Trapper John
08-04-2016, 11:35
UWOA,
News sources (including foxnews), with respect to Trump, are completely unreliable. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, yahoo, almost all of the major city newspapers etc. have all "Motherfucked" him from the very beginning. They have all stated, on numerous occasions, how he is "about to implode". They have all been chattering for over a month on how he is "about to quit". They're projecting and are simply not in tune with what average Americans are thinking.
Fuck them.
IMO, that's about as close to the reality of this f'd up situation as you can get! Good grief.
I am so fed up with this shit I could scream. Where the hell is Margaritaville anyway? I'm thinking of booking a one-way ticket. :D
UWOA (RIP)
08-04-2016, 12:32
IMO, that's about as close to the reality of this f'd up situation as you can get! Good grief.
I am so fed up with this shit I could scream. Where the hell is Margaritaville anyway? I'm thinking of booking a one-way ticket. :D
Amen, brother. Absent the margarita I'm praying for a reset. Fat chance, but what the hell ....
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(1VB)compforce
08-04-2016, 12:49
Where the hell is Margaritaville anyway?
Two hours south of Tampa on Captiva Island...
Jimmy Buffett obviously had too many of the margaritas before he ate the "Cheeseburger in Paradise". The cheeseburgers sucked...
I refer you to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-V) under anti-social personality disorder (ASPD) and its subset sociopath descriptors. He more than fits the parameters.
Roger that...and so after reading...I think General George Patton would be considered a 'Sociopath' by these flimsy standards. I encourage others to look at the parameters.
http://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/carrerasdegrado/psicologia/sitios_catedras/practicas_profesionales/820_clinica_tr_personalidad_psicosis/material/dsm.pdf
Just to qualify myself familiar with the profiling concept...I'm no expert, but no novice...for 40-60 hours week, my job used to be to profile people in the sterile and non-sterile zones of our airports, on over a thousand flights and in a dozen different countries. This was from a counter-terror perspective, and some of my field stops, based on such profiling, went up the chain. That's not to say I was good at it, but that I had it right a few times at least.
With that said, I read 'sociopathic behavior', or 'Hitler' and then I see the family the man has raised...well-adjusted, successful, driven adults with normal families...and compare it too the philanthropic efforts I've read of the man in his book (to get a measure of him last year), saving a young child's life, Andrew Ten, age 3, by rushing the child in his personal 727, from Los Angeles to New York, when no commercial airline would take Andrew and his life support equipment.
I look at these real life examples and then, at those ASPD parameters, and I think, wow, really? These are not marks of a sociopath.
I'll go further and suggest that it's a mistake even to regard Trump as arrogant.
The difference between arrogant and being self-assured is if there is a train of success to separate one from the other. DT has a remarkable train of success, and more than a majority of politicians, that we should all admit, could ever scratch the surface upon without corruption.
"But what will they be tomorrow? "I have a relationship with Vladimir Putin." Then, "I have no relationship, never had a relationship with Vladimir Putin."
Just one example of how he changes his tune, sometimes in the same interview. "I don't know the guy, but yeah, I played golf with him."
Seeing is believing. You can talk all you want about the bias of the news media, but when you see the words coming out of the man's mouth, it doesn't matter whether they are biased -- the truth becomes self-evident and a person can make their own judgement of the veracity of the candidate.
Sir, I don't believe this is a complete and fair representation. The golf comment was in reference to Samuel L. Jackson, and the Putin comments, I agree, should be seen to believe:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/in-a-2013-interview-trump-said-i-do-have-a-relationship-with-vladimir-putin/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxHzfOM6X7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8Ryf_qpxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjo4u88no7U
These videos cover the comments made by DT with respect to Vladimir Putin in complete from 2013 until today.
There is no controversy here. If there is to be one, "I have a relationship with Vladimir Putin", circa 2013 is not a contradictory comment in my mind. The man, DT, held his Miss Universe Competition in Russia. Does one not think VP would, directly or indirectly, have communique with the Trump Organization regarding the event? DT is a smart businessman, if that's as far as their "relationship" went, then, really, what is there to see here?
The media has yet to come up with any substantial silver bullet to prove DT had any significant relationship with Putin. Thus far.
The entire Putin narrative, by the media, is a hit piece.
UWOA,
News sources (including foxnews), with respect to Trump, are completely unreliable. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, yahoo, almost all of the major city newspapers etc. have all "Motherfucked" him from the very beginning. They have all stated, on numerous occasions, how he is "about to implode". They have all been chattering for over a month on how he is "about to quit". They're projecting and are simply not in tune with what average Americans are thinking.
Fuck them.
This is 100% correct. What more example does one need than to have Wolf Blitzer having wine and celebrating Mao's daughter, her coronation at the DNC?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/caught-video-cnns-wolf-blitzer-dances-drinks-wine-celebrate-hillarys-coronation/
There's a comparison under the video to the media's reaction after DT's speech.
Trump is doing himself in, regardless of my vote (the latest was his comment on the Purple Heart he was given by some mindless vet, which turned my stomach); he just dropped ten points behind Hilary in the latest polls -- and he's the one who touts polls.
According to the corrupt, mainstream media's coverage, that is correct. However, there are two elections going on...the real one, and the manufactured one.
Right now, today, at every Trump rally, the lines are outside the buildings, the venues at full capacity...for Hillary / Kaine, there are no bustling crowds (or else the media would be reporting it).
I think we need to remember Gents, this campaign cannot be measured by the same measures used in others, because Trump isn't ideological. Most in the media, referencing many of the main stream links posted in this thread, are doing just that...what's their batting average for predicting the fall of DT? Zero.
The there is this:
https://charlierose.com/videos/28542
"The most important voter in this movement, when I travel around the country, is the previously disengaged voter".
(Robert Costa is no shill for DT)
Dealing with what we are hearing in the mainstream media, I think it behooves us all to restrain our credulity.
"O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt".
We are in good shape.
Edited to add: Regarding Gary Johnson....
Obama is a "good guy" and HRC is a "wonderful public servant"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIxJicyjLLE
Speaks for itself.
Trapper John
08-04-2016, 14:11
Patrin-
Most interesting analysis by Bob Costa. In fact it was the Populism that drew me to Trump in the first place. The idea of blowing up the political establishments is exactly the "reset" we need. JMHO
I have no idea how large the "dis-effected" voter block might be nor how likely they are to vote in this election. But I do hope Costa is correct. We shall see.
DJ Urbanovsky
08-04-2016, 14:59
Brother, the two of them are a match made in hell.
I agree with that assessment. To that I would also add organized/disorganized behaviors, although I can't recall for certain if the DSM-5 makes that distinction between sociopaths/psychopaths. I don't have any credentials in the field other than a interest in psychology that remains from research I was doing in the 1990's for a book that I was planning on writing on serial killers/mass murders, and America's preoccupation with them. I was a fan of John E Douglas' and Robert Ressler's work in that field.
I am not the least bit surprised to hear you say that about her. I maintain that you can tell a great deal about a person just by observing how they behave towards "the help," and how they behave towards animals.
I can't say you're wrong there, as the difference between the two is self-awareness of right vs. wrong. Hilary has the ability, much as any competent attorney to nuance language to 'avoid' language traps set out by others -- much like her husband, Bill in his infamous defense of his sexual infidelity and follow-on perjury to conceal it, i.e. "it depends on the meaning of what the word 'is' is."
By the way, I went to the FBI National Academy in 1996 with a couple of guys from the uniformed Secret Service detail at the Whitehouse (They set up a walk through of the Whitehouse while the Clintons were out of town which included the Oval Office) and you're dead on with how she treated people there while she was FLOTUS.
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DJ Urbanovsky
08-04-2016, 15:09
I think that's an excellent point, and that's why we see what is mostly the entire mainstream media aligned against him. Not to get all tinfoily, but with the consolidation of the major media outlets by a few key players, if you control the media, then you have a mouthpiece that you can use to shape public opinion. It is pattern that we see over and over. The tail wags the dog. In this case, it is a huge dog. Or, in their terms, it's a yuuge dog.
:lifter
I don't like either one of them but at least Trump is accomplishing what I said need to happen years ago. He's shaking the trees and screwing up their good old boy network which is what got us into this mess in the first place. Until this fully happens NOTHING will change. It's going to suck but hopefully it will result in something good happening in the future. Term limits would be a FANTASTIC start.
DJ Urbanovsky
08-04-2016, 15:16
Be that as it may, and flawed though it may be, it is still useful as a starting framework if we are attempting to codify sets of observable behavior. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
DSM 5.....it is kind of like Snopes, unreliable imo. I mean DSM 5 renamed perversions so that they are now considered mere 'Disorders', which in turn makes them more palatable.....in line with renaming Illegal Aliens to Undocumented workers or renaming terrorism to work place violence, AQI to ISIS, or ISIL or Daesh.
Divemaster
08-04-2016, 15:21
The U.S. does not have a news cycle; we have a bad news cycle. Hence the nonstop coverage of Trump. He would serve himself well by shutting up for a week or two and let the focus drift towards Hillary for a while.
Badger52
08-04-2016, 17:12
The U.S. does not have a news cycle; we have a bad news cycle. Hence the nonstop coverage of Trump. He would serve himself well by shutting up for a week or two and let the focus drift towards Hillary for a while.Amen. And maybe let his RINO detractors focus somwhere else as well.
Patrin-
Most interesting analysis by Bob Costa. In fact it was the Populism that drew me to Trump in the first place. The idea of blowing up the political establishments is exactly the "reset" we need. JMHO
I have no idea how large the "dis-effected" voter block might be nor how likely they are to vote in this election. But I do hope Costa is correct. We shall see.
Same here. I've always been a Conservative, less a Republican, but in recent years, a die hard Nationalist. That's been Trump's appeal for me.
On the dis-effected side, I was reading an article just a bit ago reporting on the numbers at Hitlery's rally today in Omaha, with Warren Buffet - she had a crowd of 900.
DT had 10,000+ in attendance at Daytona Beach yesterday.
Something is going on.
Golf1echo
08-04-2016, 20:41
UWOA,
News sources (including foxnews), with respect to Trump, are completely unreliable. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, yahoo, almost all of the major city newspapers etc. have all "Motherfucked" him from the very beginning. They have all stated, on numerous occasions, how he is "about to implode". They have all been chattering for over a month on how he is "about to quit". They're projecting and are simply not in tune with what average Americans are thinking.
Fuck them.
A few weekends ago NPR ran a story about Brazil's media, it was incidious. What little of it was left due to the poor economy was being sponsored by the politicians and special interest they were covering, certainly parallels to what's going on in this country currently. I'll try and link the epesode when I'm not so signal challenged. We talk about the low information voters, I fear for us all with the ramifications of that same type of exposure here. What I knew as news seems to be extinct in the MSM, call me sinical but I don't pay attention to the advertizers and the bait and click strategy they currently employ?? JJ posted a link from Vietnam recently....refreshing how it was just news..... Like we used to have access to ourselves.
Reminded me of a recent experience were a company wanted $900.00/ Mo. To optimize a web site, perhaps I'm getting old but I do not understand that part of the economy .
Voting for the Libertarian candidate is not sitting out the election; it makes a statement.
As for your other observation, our democratic system bred the Joe McCarthy era of the fifties, so we're not immune to a demagogue spinning a democracy on its head. Besides, there a plenty of Republicans who have a spine. I've been a Republican since 1964 when it was lonely to be one. Just because he's a salesman who can snow most disadvantaged Americans or those feeling disenfranchised as to his ability doesn't mean that Trump has snowed everyone. Even those in his corner are coming out now and making similar statements as to his actions. So don't shoot the messenger, because the messengers numbers are mounting. You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.
But that's the beauty of a democracy, we don't have to agree, but neither do we have to pillory each other with invective because we have different perspectives about what we're seeing. Besides, as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory says, "I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested." LOL.
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I respect your willingness to respond with an admittedly contrarian opinion on this board. And it goes without saying that I respect your service.
I'm hearing what you are saying, but it still doesn't change the FACTS. Make whatever statement that you want. Pat yourself on the back. But , either Trump or Hitlery will be president and will appoint the next round of Supreme court justices. FACT. Oh, an nobody (including me) will give a shit about your "statement" except my kids and their kids (and their kids), that is.... FACT.
Congratulations for you being a Repulblican in 1964. In 2016, you will be helping Hillary to get elected. OWN IT. Dude, the choice is BINARY. Hitlary or Trump. (Please, someone reading this post feel free to tell me that I am wrong.) Your principles fuck over my kids to the most extent possible. That's my view. I don't care if you apologize for your views. I'm not going to for mine.
Also, I don't think I'm not Pillorying you.. But the stakes are high. It's no-shit game time. Its time to stack mags and make the hard decisions.
Ever here this saying? " The Perfect is the enemy of the Good Enough."
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
YMMV
You make a cogent point about DSM-V, it's not accepted well by a lot of psychiatrists, but it is still the designated source for psychiatric disorders. Me, I was trained on DSM-IV, and still prefer it over the latest iteration.
We didn't need McCarthy to point out the communists infiltrating our institutions. I only point him out as an illustration that the cure might be worse than the disease -- I fear more what Trump might screw up beyond repair more than I desire what he might fix. To that end there are others, more qualified and without the baggage of a cheat and a lying dissembler that Trump is, with Mike Pence leading the crew. Pence, I'd vote for.
Hopefully, it is both: a constitutional republic and a democracy (with a small 'd').
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In regards to Trumps demeanor,
As I see it, the folks screaming the sky is falling because Trump is bad voodoo and the next incarnation of Hitler are in fact all smiles when habitual liars like Paul Ryan or Hillary Clinton have screwed them and the country over, time and time again.
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Worse case scenario is Trump is a POS just like 99.9% of the current criminals running the show in DC and we continue the slide to 3rd World/Banana Republic status.
I respect your willingness to respond with an admittedly contrarian opinion on this board. And it goes without saying that I respect your service.
I'm hearing what you are saying, but it still doesn't change the FACTS. Make whatever statement that you want. Pat yourself on the back. But , either Trump or Hitlery will be president and will appoint the next round of Supreme court justices. FACT. Oh, an nobody (including me) will give a shit about your "statement" except my kids and their kids (and their kids), that is.... FACT.
Congratulations for you being a Repulblican in 1964. In 2016, you will be helping Hillary to get elected. OWN IT. Dude, the choice is BINARY. Hitlary or Trump. (Please, someone reading this post feel free to tell me that I am wrong.) Your principles fuck over my kids to the most extent possible. That's my view. I don't care if you apologize for your views. I'm not going to for mine.
Also, I don't think I'm not Pillorying you.. But the stakes are high. It's no-shit game time. Its time to stack mags and make the hard decisions.
Ever here this saying? " The Perfect is the enemy of the Good Enough."
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
YMMV
With all due respect, UWOAs voting or not voting won't amount to a hill of beans on whether hillary or trump gets elected. The only thing that matters is how much money gets spent and by who.
The only thing that matters is how much money gets spent and by who.
I may have the dumb today but I am not tracking here. Would you please expound?
1 + 1 = 2; 2 + 2 = 4, etc.
2008 election results in NC
Obama - 2,142,651
McCain - 2,128,474
A difference of 14,177 votes
Barr and the Libertarian/"Constitution" Party got 25,292 votes.
All others got 13,942.
Something for 3rd Party voters to think about because you're going to see it again this election.
Hillery thanks you for your non vote.
I Would you please expound?
You either believe the system is rigged or you don't, so.....nope.
Badger52
08-05-2016, 09:39
You either believe the system is rigged or you don't, so.....nope.:cool:
"Oh, man..." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwTGGHaCHAE)
Go Devil
08-06-2016, 06:00
....backing up to the title of this thread:
Why wouldn't the GOP want a Democrat the likes of Hillary in office?
Obama, combined with angry voters, filled quite a few Republican seats in congress.
There is no voting your way out of this.
another clinton presidency would go a long way in making the current potus look better than jimmy carter....
so there''s that
Old Dog New Trick
08-07-2016, 19:40
another clinton presidency would go a long way in making the current potus look better than jimmy carter....
so there''s that
I like your optimism. :D
Worse case scenario is Trump is a POS just like 99.9% of the current criminals running the show in DC and we continue the slide to 3rd World/Banana Republic status.
There isn't enough lipstick in all eternity for either of these pigs, so I think that's exactly the right question, and the right answer, but for Hillary, she wins we continue the disgraceful slide to 3rd World/Banana republic status.
If that was also the worst case for Trump this election would be no contest. However, those who believe Trump could actually threaten the very fabric of our republic within one term and lead us into civil war, there is no reason they should be swayed by those hoping , and it is absolutely hoping not logic at least don't kid yourself, he is the better option.
There isn't enough lipstick in all eternity for either of these pigs, so I think that's exactly the right question, and the right answer, but for Hillary, she wins we continue the disgraceful slide to 3rd World/Banana republic status.
If that was also the worst case for Trump this election would be no contest. However, those who believe Trump could actually threaten the very fabric of our republic within one term and lead us into civil war, there is no reason they should be swayed by those hoping , and it is absolutely hoping not logic at least don't kid yourself, he is the better option.
Either candidate could bring the country to civil war. But Trump himself is not likely to bring the country to civil war, rather based on news reports regarding the actions of some Democrats andf their supporters I have read about, including BLM, it is quite conceivable that a Trump victory could lead to some immediate civil unrest in certain pockets of the nation. In reality Ferguson and the other 'Din donuffin' riots over the past 2 years a are preview of what awaits when things don't go the way the bottom feeders desire.
You know without a doubt that Hillary will continue the death by a thousand cuts through rules, regulations and intimidation by Agencies and groups like BLM.
Civil War is going to happen sooner or later, so why put off the inevitable?
Badger52
08-08-2016, 13:28
Anecdotal blips...
Interesting this morning to see Trump articulating some increased substance to his economic approach (and explaining why) along with FNC's coverage (again) of the long (6 years) battle continuing by conservative groups targeted by the IRS and their .gov accomplices.*
IMO, if Trump will use his plain-speak to articulate what he knows from his business sense & global experience vice using perjorative hashtags he will better serve himself.
* Not just talking delays in approval of Sec. 501 standing for tax-purposes. Audits, FBI visits/interviews, "show us all your social media posts" etc. I'm sure Congress is all over this.
bblhead672
08-08-2016, 14:08
Anecdotal blips...
Interesting this morning to see Trump articulating some increased substance to his economic approach (and explaining why) along with FNC's coverage (again) of the long (6 years) battle continuing by conservative groups targeted by the IRS and their .gov accomplices.*
IMO, if Trump will use his plain-speak to articulate what he knows from his business sense & global experience vice using perjorative hashtags he will better serve himself.
* Not just talking delays in approval of Sec. 501 standing for tax-purposes. Audits, FBI visits/interviews, "show us all your social media posts" etc. I'm sure Congress is all over this.
Exactly, Trump needs to articulate the differences between a HRC presidency and his. Ignore the people trying (and succeeding) to bait him into reacting in a non-Presidential manner. Quit being Trump the brash businessman and start being Trump the President. Be better than HRC.
Trapper John
08-09-2016, 11:13
another clinton presidency would go a long way in making the current potus look better than jimmy carter....
so there''s that
Worth reading through this thread just to find your gems! :D:D:D
So, what comes next? A new conservative party push for a write-in candidate? A sweet little political coup to throw the whole mess into the House? And what if the House by then has a lame-duck majority? Looks like the political establishment is scared to death with the chaos both Trump and HRCs dissatisfied numbers have created. She's a crook and he's nuts. There's no one they (the political bourgeois) can support. There's no moral high ground. The electorate is more informed now than they've ever been (IIMHO), and on top of that most of them are pissed off. As Thomas a' Becket said in Murder in the Cathedral right before four of Henry's pals split his head open: "All things prepare the event. Watch."
The only time in my life that I'm glad to be old and stupid. Is that Shinola on my shoe or something else?
... There's no one they (the political bourgeois) can support.....
The political bourgeois have made their choice. The D's and GOPe are picking HRC.
Cruzers are going third party.
All to prevent Trump from winning so they can say "told you so" and run for President against HRC in 2020.
All to prevent Trump from winning so they can say "told you so" and run for President against HRC in 2020.
No matter how things turn out, I don't believe it work out as they plan. In fact I will go as far to say that if HRC is elected they will not get another chance.
he's nuts.
You must keep in mind that Trump completely devastated the entire braintrust of the GOPe, the Holier than Thou Ted Cruz and weird Uncle John. Does that sound like a lunatic or crazy as a fox?
Badger52
08-09-2016, 16:44
You must keep in mind that Trump completely devastated the entire braintrust of the GOPe, the Holier than Thou Ted Cruz and weird Uncle John. Does that sound like a lunatic or crazy as a fox?I think this is a bit of a mix. Trump didn't devastate his opponents on his own. The others you mention were falling around themselves because they didn't (and still don't) Get.It.
To paraphrase some blog or newshead:
They find him revolting (adj.); is it coincidence that the people are revolting (verb)?
The GOPe have become what they say they loathe. "The Folks are too stupid to understand anything (sounds like Department of State nuance-speak, which deserves a throat-punch on its own)." "We're wise, let us continue down the same path." It's meet the new boss, same as the old boss time and many are simply not buying it.
But he needs to tell the GOPe to bugger off and focus on hammering the remote-controlled foreign policy disaster Empress-wannabe where she's most vulnerable. Screw whether Ryan gets an endorsement; get down to business. The GOPe is white noise that distracts from what he should be doing.
You're a smart guy Trump; so fuckin' show it already.
Golf1echo
08-09-2016, 17:25
strange, I like Trump more and more. His speach in Detroit was on script and he talked of America investing in its self.... Exactly what I believe is necessary. No man alone is ever the president. The last one tried but must have had king in his dictionary as the meaning of president and look where it got him and us. Bill has pointed out the poinient point that his entire legacy is at stake and that being a fight for last or dead last. While the Dims are sounding today like they need their special snowflake safe space over an inert comment by Trump about the Second Amendment..... oh,that is actually all of us, followers. For Pete's sake, whether it's the media or the politicians themselves a world where the wrong words hurt plays right into more usurping of our way of life.
Anyone with a job and healthcare is paying many more times the cost of care because illegals get theirs for free.... What universe does that make sense in, as just one example of possible futures?
The political bourgeois have made their choice. The D's and GOPe are picking HRC.
Cruzers are going third party.
All to prevent Trump from winning so they can say "told you so" and run for President against HRC in 2020.
Gads, sir, I hope you're wrong. If you're right the election in 2020 won't matter a hill of beans. Nothing will change. It looks more and more like the D's and the GOP are together in wanting Trump dumped just to insure the perpetuation of the political machinery. It's like watching a re-make of Metropolis. They'll pass a 25% VAT to support their socialist agenda, and the devastation to the SCOTUS will change this country into a cheesy economic component of the New North American Union...no borders and no individual freedoms below that of the socialist state.
Be wrong, ok?
Not hardly but the man can say nothing that will not be twisted by the other side.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732152/Trump-draws-fire-saying-Second-Amendment-advocates-stop-gun-control-laws-Clinton-campaign-insist-meant-KILLING-Hillary.html
As an aside for Pocahontas Warren we do not call women girls in this country it is most hurtful.
(1VB)compforce
08-09-2016, 18:55
They'll pass a 25% VAT to support their socialist agenda, and the devastation to the SCOTUS will change this country into a cheesy economic component of the New North American Union...
Be wrong, ok?
Nope, not North American Union, it's called the Trans Pacific Partnership...
GratefulCitizen
08-09-2016, 19:34
Not hardly but the man can say nothing that will not be twisted by the other side.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732152/Trump-draws-fire-saying-Second-Amendment-advocates-stop-gun-control-laws-Clinton-campaign-insist-meant-KILLING-Hillary.html
As an aside for Pocahontas Warren we do not call women girls in this country it is most hurtful.
He's trolling.
But, they might be stupid enough to make the 2nd Amendment an issue.
Old Dog New Trick
08-09-2016, 21:37
Barry McCaffery (former GEN and -tired of listening to him) came out tonight on local news against DT. Said he could not believe DT is ready to CnC.
All the more reason to believe that DT will be a great CnC. Trump may be a lot things but I'm not worried about him giving the military carts blanch in carrying out what needs to be done.
The fact that so many are now coming out against him gives me more credence that he is at this time the *best* possible candidate for leader of the free and most powerful country in the world.
The establishment is firmly against him and the establishment needs a better wake up call than all the voting of the last few election cycles. The "tea part" didn't just happen overnight.
Old Dog New Trick
08-09-2016, 22:06
If anything comes out of this election; the "establishment" should take notice. The "two party" system is coming to an end.
Democracy is speaking loud and clear. People aren't supporting Trump because he's claiming 'Republican,' they are fed up with the system.
No matter how things turn out, I don't believe it work out as they plan. In fact I will go as far to say that if HRC is elected they will not get another chance.
You must keep in mind that Trump completely devastated the entire braintrust of the GOPe, the Holier than Thou Ted Cruz and weird Uncle John. Does that sound like a lunatic or crazy as a fox?
Im still confused about who exactly this GOPe is?
Paul Manafort?
Rick Scott?
Chris Christie?
There is no GOPe conspiracy against Trump, He can point the finger at Romney all he wants in order to soften the blow come November but most likely, the trend will continue of him racing to the bottom.
God I hope im wrong.
Once again, I actually was imoressed by some of his pointa and policy ahifta in his economic plan......alas, 24 hours later.......re-insert foot into mouth. The moron should know by know that he needs to have his talking points checked, checked and re-checked in order to pass media scrutiny.
Cruzers are going third party.
Not all of them. His failure to keep his promise (of endorsing the nominee) pissed me off. I'll vote for DT.....just to keep the evil one out of the office.
There is no GOPe conspiracy against Trump
You may have a point. When talking about the GOPe we are talking about the RINO party, so they arent true conservatives. The 'conservatives' aka the GOPe has not come up with a decent candidate in the past 3 primaries. They have basically handed the presidency to the DNC without much of a battle. The GOP and the Dems have largely merged over the past 7-1/2 years. The MSM on both fronts has been running with the DNC talking points.
So maybe the real conspiracy is the idea we had 2 party system, when in fact we haven't.
As noted by ODNT, the 2 party system is dead. The GOP has gone along with Obama for the past 7 tears, much of what is considered the GOPe are moving towards the left. So essentially we have had a 2 party system in name only for some time.
But is the 2 party system really dead? Increasingly, Trump is referred to as the populist candidate. In Wisconsin Paul Nehlen has been dubbed the populist
candifdate and Paul Ryan the conservative candidate.
So are there going to be 2 or 3 parties?
Im still confused about who exactly this GOPe is?
Paul Manafort?
Rick Scott?
Chris Christie?
Manafort is a 'means to an end' for Trump. He plays with the RNC on Trump's behalf.
Christie is establishment and was (is) fishing for a job. It would've been silly for Trump to not have used his endorsement early on.
And Rick Scott is not establishment...nope.
Examples of the GOPe...and I have to say it like it is...it's been plain for most to see :
Romney
Ryan
Boehner
Cantor
McCain
Ayotte
Collins
Flake
Corker
Graham
Kristol
Will
Stephens
Hatch
McConnell
Sasse
Toomey
Warner...
...and the 50 neo-con dickheads that came out signing a letter against Trump...
and more.
Let me ask this question? Have you ever seen the commies break rank when Hitlery makes a mistake? When Reid did, when Pelosi did? They NEVER break rank.
Look at the Republicans that have broken rank with Trump...particularly over media-fabricated non-stories; Khan, the baby, Crimea, Russian-Clinton emails.
At worse, these RINO's joined the ranks of the commie-D's, or, at minimum, echoed their commie-media horseshit rhetoric.
The media feeding you this information...look at what they've admitted to:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0
These Goebbels ass-licking dogs have admitted that the sole focus of their reporting will be to destroy Donald Trump. Truth, objectivity, balance...gone.
..alas, 24 hours later.......re-insert foot into mouth. The moron should know by know that he needs to have his talking points checked, checked and re-checked in order to pass media scrutiny.
What's that example...the 2A comment? Yeah...no.
Media scrutiny? You can't be serious. Not at this point.
You know more about psychology than I do, I am sure. However, look at the alternative.
I have been here since 1952 and have observed a good bit of history.
These times remind me of the turmoil around the 1968 elections. That was when Richard Nixon got elected. By the way, he sent me an extra tax refund to Fort Bragg. M.L.K. got killed. Bobby Kennedy got killed around then. The Negroes went wild burning and looting in the big cities. The Hippies were taking advantage of the Communist Supplied Drugs and doing all sorts of crazy things.
That George Soros fellow was acting up.
Now, we have the media publicizing, distorting and slanting News. Sometimes, and I have seen this first hand, they even print bald face lies.
I am not sure if you were old enough to have understood what was going on during the first Clinton Administration 1993 to 2001. They gutted the military.
They cut benefits to needy Veterans. Young Children became familiar with certain carnal acts that wouldn't be mentioned in Sunday School. They sold secret technology to the Chinese. And Much, Much More.
I know about the handling of sensitive material. It is supposed to be transmitted over secure channels. Bill Clinton had a meeting with the head of the justice department. Hillary was let off the hook.
Riots Started, Uprisings quelled, governments overthrown, etc. etc. Sometimes that is necessary. However, do you really want to let Bonnie and Clyde run this country again?
For some reason, they are afraid of the current regime. However, I am of the opinion that if Trump made one wrong move, he would be impeached.
Well, I have said all I can say. Best Regards: Joeblow
Badger52
08-10-2016, 11:44
Last 2 posts - concur.
Those burning stuff in '68 were already experienced. While I was one hill over from Watts in '65 (stacking stripper clips for the '03) they were taking notes.
One of the problems when there's a remote chance of a viable candidate, even one who enjoys "plain speaking" or candor (or bluster depending on one's view) is when they won't stick to the stuff they say they can fix & explain why/how. Anyone can cherry-pick stuff and the D-Commies developed the grad-level POI on this. Toughest aspect is often not to get sucked into fighting the enemy's fight.
SouthernDZ
08-10-2016, 12:16
You know more about psychology than I do, I am sure. However, look at the alternative.
I have been here since 1952 and have observed a good bit of history.
These times remind me of the turmoil around the 1968 elections. That was when Richard Nixon got elected. By the way, he sent me an extra tax refund to Fort Bragg. M.L.K. got killed. Bobby Kennedy got killed around then. The Negroes went wild burning and looting in the big cities. The Hippies were taking advantage of the Communist Supplied Drugs and doing all sorts of crazy things.
That George Soros fellow was acting up.
Now, we have the media publicizing, distorting and slanting News. Sometimes, and I have seen this first hand, they even print bald face lies.
I am not sure if you were old enough to have understood what was going on during the first Clinton Administration 1993 to 2001. They gutted the military.
They cut benefits to needy Veterans. Young Children became familiar with certain carnal acts that wouldn't be mentioned in Sunday School. They sold secret technology to the Chinese. And Much, Much More.
I know about the handling of sensitive material. It is supposed to be transmitted over secure channels. Bill Clinton had a meeting with the head of the justice department. Hillary was let off the hook.
Riots Started, Uprisings quelled, governments overthrown, etc. etc. Sometimes that is necessary. However, do you really want to let Bonnie and Clyde run this country again?
For some reason, they are afraid of the current regime. However, I am of the opinion that if Trump made one wrong move, he would be impeached.
Well, I have said all I can say. Best Regards: Joeblow
"Negroes, Communists and Hippies" - I'm overcome with nostalgia, you made my day!
doctom54
08-10-2016, 15:55
Let me ask this question? Have you ever seen the commies break rank when Hitlery makes a mistake? When Reid did, when Pelosi did? They NEVER break rank.
.
I believe you are correct. Since about 1990 breaking rank (desertion) with the dems command has carried the death penalty.
Golf1echo
08-10-2016, 16:55
"Negroes, Communists and Hippies" - I'm overcome with nostalgia, you made my day!
I enjoyed that context too. I think the only childhood book the Chief Divider got was Abbie Hoffman's " Steal This Book ", it seems to have been his play book for the last 8 years unfortunately.
All the more reason to believe that DT will be a great CnC. Trump may be a lot things but I'm not worried about him giving the military carte blanche in carrying out what needs to be done.
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
Old Dog New Trick
08-10-2016, 22:10
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
Do you mean like all those 'illegal' orders issued under Johnson and Nixon during the Vietnam war? As far as presidents (and precedence) issuing orders they usually only get to say when it starts, when it ends, and at what cost in human lives will the SecDef and JCS get to play. Trump can say whatever he wants but the filters to be are at levels throughout the CoC from the top down to the lowest enlisted guy saying; nope that's not going to happen.
I'd be more sure of Trump defending say, SFC Martland, and telling the Afghan government to pound more sand, than Hillary saying anything other than: at this point what difference does it make.
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
And you know this how?
And you know this how?
I presented my view as a matter of opinion based upon:
Trump's speech of 16 June 2015 in which he announced his candidacy for the presidency;
Trump's comments of 2 December 2015 during a broadcast of Fox and Friends;
his ambiguous response to a direct question about obeying American and international laws on the conduct of war during the GOP debate of 10 March 2016;
the transcript of his conversation with the editorial board of the Washington Post on 21 March 2016;
his speech of 21 June 2016 in which he accepted the GOP's nomination.
He has consistently referred to long held policy preferences IRT the Middle East and to terrorism.
He has credited himself for "prognostications" that have proven his views correct.
He, like the current president, has turned Clausewitz on his head by arguing that war should not be an instrument of policy wielded by informed, dispassionate leaders, but rather reflect the popular will of the people.
He speaks of respecting the armed services but he includes the armed forces when he makes statements like "...nobody really knows because we don't have people who know what they're doing." (This comment was specifically about Turkey.)
He has staked his credibility on the immediate and complete destruction of ISIS.
He has frequently spoken of American "humiliation" which limits opportunities for nuance.
He has displayed no inclination to limit his range of action within established, traditional norms of behavior in electoral politics which he's equated to "war."
Sig, you really need to learn how to use pink font.
Old Dog New Trick
08-11-2016, 04:31
Sigaba,
Those are all very good points and Trump clearly speaks from his penthouse view when it comes to being a class act bully.
People have and will continue to debate Truman's presidency in the early days and weeks after Roosevelts' death. The decision to use atomic weapons was his and pretty much his alone. The popular decision was to end the war and that it did.
I for one would rather we had used that approach shortly after 9/11/01 to send an unequivocally renowned answer to terrorism from the Middle East, Southwest Asia, Africa and elsewhere that you don't kick the tiger. We didn't do that!
Now, the alternative to Trumps' school yard antics are a time proven history of HRC supporting every haphazard endeavor of playing whack-a-more and supporting the overthrow of governments that we had some form of control over. She has voted yes to everything from Iraq to Syria but not in a good way. As SecState she more than anyone orchestrated Libya and then turned it into a goat fuck.
Trump may [may] end up becoming dangerous with the keys to the castle but, Hillary has a proven track record of creating or supporting a disastrous foreign policy from just about ever (*) that has gotten us to where we are now. A paper tiger which has been declawed, defanged, and soon to be castrated and neutered.
I wish there was a better choice. I don't like Trump but the alternative is worse. If Johnson had the grassroots support Trump is pulling in, it would be a no brainier but he's unelectable under current circumstances.
* wouldn't be surprised to find out she pulled the strings from Mogadishu to every bungled response to terrorism under Bill Clinton's presidency.
Hillary IS a walking time bomb and people die in vain for her "Hawkish" whims.
P.S. I would have made lots of little mushroom clouds within hours of confirmation of who was behind 9/11 and where their camps were located. Far as I'm concerned the GWOT would have been fought with law enforcement and targeted 0'dark thirty raids by SOF. Never would have conducted a ground war and would not have invaded Iraq under the reasons given.
Oh and I would have fired George Tenent on 9/12/2001.
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
I just find that entire post OTF. What "illegal orders" are you referring to? January is a very specific time frame. You would have to have insider information in order to be that specific.
I cant wait to get some fucking illegal orders.
I have had my illegal waterboarding kit neatly packed in my toughbox for several years now.
...and gun confiscation?
FUCK YES - when that order is givin, I will be eagerly confiscating the living shit out of peoples firearms.
and lord only knows, is that going to help me grow my own personal gun collection !!
Folks like Sigaba couldn't be more correct. The members of our military have been following illegals orders since the day that Crispus Attucks was shot dead on King Street. We are neither smart enough or honorable enough to disregard illegal orders.
...and lord knows the buttfucked liberal snotnose pricks that add social commentary wouldn't hesitate to call for imprisonment when our greedy, dishonorable troops follow illegal orders under a republican president
Well, unless it is a democrat giving fucked up orders...
...then, all bets are off because democrats aren't capable of being guilty.
or wrong
just ask madam secretary
...standing by to oppress aMEricans on behalf of a Trump presidency
Badger52
08-11-2016, 08:13
Well, unless it is a democrat giving fucked up orders...
...then, all bets are off because democrats aren't capable of being guilty.
or wrong
just ask madam secretary
I knew we could count on you
mojaveman
08-11-2016, 10:06
I would have made lots of little mushroom clouds within hours of confirmation of who was behind 9/11 and where their camps were located. Far as I'm concerned the GWOT would have been fought with law enforcement and targeted 0'dark thirty raids by SOF. Never would have conducted a ground war and would not have invaded Iraq under the reasons given.
Exactly. ;)
Golf1echo
08-11-2016, 11:46
I cant wait to get some fucking illegal orders.
I have had my illegal waterboarding kit neatly packed in my toughbox for several years now.
...and gun confiscation?
FUCK YES - when that order is givin, I will be eagerly confiscating the living shit out of peoples firearms.
and lord only knows, is that going to help me grow my own personal gun collection !!
Folks like Sigaba couldn't be more correct. The members of our military have been following illegals orders since the day that Crispus Attucks was shot dead on King Street. We are neither smart enough or honorable enough to disregard illegal orders.
...and lord knows the buttfucked liberal snotnose pricks that add social commentary wouldn't hesitate to call for imprisonment when our greedy, dishonorable troops follow illegal orders under a republican president
Well, unless it is a democrat giving fucked up orders...
...then, all bets are off because democrats aren't capable of being guilty.
or wrong
just ask madam secretary
...standing by to oppress aMEricans on behalf of a Trump presidency
The people sitting around me are probably wondering how a small communicator could bring so much joy to someone, thanks for that!
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
Fantastic...and I hope he recruits every Sheriff in the US to form posse's, with the head of that cabal being Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
We go through the immigration lists and start rounding up and deporting every illegal alien tit-sucking parasite in this country. Born here to illegal alien parents? Citizenship revoked! Adios.
Then we start with the Mosques....you're a radical Imam preaching death to America? See ya...and you're getting off easy, you should be hanged. Adherents to Sharia? We're running a new program called 'New Vista Syria' and guess what?
You're headed there.
The commies, the socialists? Well, we didn't let the Nazi's hold any political office after the war did we? Those evil parties are banned, and if you want to have a party called the democrats, we will consider a new one up and until we start hearing key phrases that come out of 'Das Kapital'...you start talking that evil manure, and you're banned.
Then we bring over some Israeli border advisors...have them draw up the plans for our border wall...with a 1 mile buffer zone into Mexico...they owe us for the 100,000's of thousands of Americans killed by their drug cartels, whom they've let run their country unfettered...we then fill that BZ with mines or a moat filled with North African Nile Crocodiles that can handle hot weather.
We'll Set up commercial and pedestrian entry routes of course.
What else? Voting requirements...like in the Founding Father's day...income and education based. Too restrictive? Fine. We'll make it open to everyone...
Service guarantees citizenship (franchise)...you have to volunteer...and serve 3 years. We want to test your character before we give you the ultimate authority = steering the destiny of our great Nation.
That's a good start....:lifter (don't let the emoji fool you, I'm serious)
bblhead672
08-11-2016, 14:28
Fantastic...and I hope he recruits every Sheriff in the US to form posse's, with the head of that cabal being Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
We go through the immigration lists and start rounding up and deporting every illegal alien tit-sucking parasite in this country. Born here to illegal alien parents? Citizenship revoked! Adios.
Then we start with the Mosques....you're a radical Imam preaching death to America? See ya...and you're getting off easy, you should be hanged. Adherents to Sharia? We're running a new program called 'New Vista Syria' and guess what?
You're headed there.
The commies, the socialists? Well, we didn't let the Nazi's hold any political office after the war did we? Those evil parties are banned, and if you want to have a party called the democrats, we will consider a new one up and until we start hearing key phrases that come out of 'Das Kapital'...you start talking that evil manure, and you're banned.
Then we bring over some Israeli border advisors...have them draw up the plans for our border wall...with a 1 mile buffer zone into Mexico...they owe us for the 100,000's of thousands of Americans killed by their drug cartels, whom they've let run their country unfettered...we then fill that BZ with mines or a moat filled with North African Nile Crocodiles that can handle hot weather.
We'll Set up commercial and pedestrian entry routes of course.
What else? Voting requirements...like in the Founding Father's day...income and education based. Too restrictive? Fine. We'll make it open to everyone...
Service guarantees citizenship (franchise)...you have to volunteer...and serve 3 years. We want to test your character before we give you the ultimate authority = steering the destiny of our great Nation.
That's a good start....:lifter (don't let the emoji fool you, I'm serious)
I like the way you think Mr. Trump! :D
That's a good start....:lifter (don't let the emoji fool you, I'm serious)
Don't worry; you'll notice that most of what I post is void of pink font as well.
Trust me on the illegal orders to SOF from the next president; I can't wait !!!
...and god forbid I show up at someone's home to confiscate their guns and there are no guns to be confiscated.
As punishment for NOT having guns for me to confiscate, I will punish them by knocking over their NASCAR collector-plates, spill some shit on their velvet-Elvis oil paintings, and soak their stamp collections with kerosene.
...now, if they have baseball cards, they'll be ok
I love baseball cards.
Badger52
08-11-2016, 15:12
...now, if they have baseball cards, they'll be ok
I love baseball cards.Good to know. Then again, I don't know any gun-less people I'd give doubles of my cards to... oh, well. Bad for them. Carry on.
:cool:
Good to know. Then again, I don't know any gun-less people I'd give doubles of my cards to... oh, well. Bad for them. Carry on.
:cool:
I''ll take those cards, there is no way I want to lose my other things.
IMO, if elected, Trump will issue illegal orders to SOF individuals and units starting in January. For carrots, he will offer larger slices of budgetary pies, more equipment, more missions, and EOs to derail gender integration.
For sticks he will tighten budgets and request audits. He'll ask questions like Why should the government spend X dollars training Qs who won't be ready for years when I can just send drones and doorkickers to kill bad guys tonight?
If he hears "no, that's not a good idea/that's an illegal order" too many times, I don't believe he'll reply Okay, educate me. Tell me what I need to hear, not what I want you to say. Instead, he will start thinking up ways to create context that will lead to turn over of personnel in much the same way corporations make people seek greener pastures without using pink slips.
My $0.02.
Have you been visting fringe conspiracy website Sigaba, because this sounds like talking points I hear from most of the left wing loons I run into from time to time.....this time last year a very left leaning, very nice lesbian told me that 'Trump is the next Hitler'.
So what kind of illegal orders are we talking about? Prosecuting or shooting climate change skeptics on sight?
Here is a question for you...
Will Trump sell off critical resources to foreign powers like the Uranium One deal, or give China missile technlogy, or pay a 400m for the release of hostages, or call AQI/ISIS the 'JV Team', or play 300 rounds of golf while the world burns and be fearfull of using the 'T' word?
Will Trump encourage certain groups to riot, burn, loot and kill police?
frostfire
08-11-2016, 19:43
Oh and I would have fired George Tenent on 9/12/2001.
Old Dog New Trick, care to elaborate more on this point?
I have perused At the Center of the Storm (considered to be his Mea Culpa) and Legacy of Ashes, and followed his rise to the Director and afterwards. IMHOO, his bipartisan image made him the right man for the job prior to 9/11.
Old Dog New Trick
08-11-2016, 21:20
Old Dog New Trick, care to elaborate more on this point?
I have perused At the Center of the Storm (considered to be his Mea Culpa) and Legacy of Ashes, and followed his rise to the Director and afterwards. IMHOO, his bipartisan image made him the right man for the job prior to 9/11.
Oh, more symbolic than just holding him accountable for the failures of intelligence on al Qaeda and the misinformation surrounding WMD in Iraq. Tenent isn't a bad guy in my judgment just the head of an agency that should have at the time known more.
The same could be said for Louis Freeh and then at the time Thomas Pickard (acting Director) for the FBI. Of course he was replaced just days before 9/11 by Robert Mueller.
There was a colossal failure of intelligence and law enforcement in the period of time under both Tenent and Freeh that led to 9/11. Coincidentally both are Clinton era appointees who toe'd the line for Clinton's failed foreign and domestic policies. (ETA: similar to what we see now under Obama and his cabinet of liars and thieves.)
Al Qaeda and now ISIS didn't happen in some scientific test tube in some super secret laboratory run by the Saudis. The (assumed) facts that both Bill Clinton and now Obama have underestimated the potential of these 'western educated' master minds of exploiting western cultural fears through targeted uses of terrorism and yet we can't seem to find the right way to kill the whole snake - not just cut off the head of yet another Hydra.
GW Bush was a tool. Not a smart man in most affairs and he was manipulated by Tenent, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to avenge his father and depose Saddam Hussein.
From the get go the Iraq war was nonsense and perhaps if Tenent had been fired for cause the cooked intelligence would never have persuaded Powell to fall to their side and convince the American public a war in Iraq was necessary.
When America wakes up and sees that we have been playing politics for oil with the house of Saud since 1973 they may just realize it's time to dig more holes in North America all the way from Texas to Alaska or drive an electric car.
War isn't fought for people's safety - it's fought for resources and control of them.
P.S. By all accounts in June 2001, we knew there was a plan to hijack inflight and use commercial aircraft as weapons. What they did with that information is mind boggling that the FAA didn't know or if they did know they didn't tell the pilots association to - LOCK THE FU*KING COCKPIT DOOR! (Complacency kills!)
LOCK THE FU*KING COCKPIT DOOR! (Complacency kills!)
The doors have been locked since, probably, the mid to late '70s. We even had pilots get locked out of the cockpit when they went to the lavatory. I had a cockpit crew get locked IN the cockpit and had to exit through the Direct View windows by escape ropes. :D And, that was while the passengers were still disembarking across the ramp to the gate. :D:D
Pat
Old Dog New Trick
08-11-2016, 22:25
The doors have been locked since, probably, the mid to late '70s. We even had pilots get locked out of the cockpit when they went to the lavatory. I had a cockpit crew get locked IN the cockpit and had to exit through the Direct View windows by escape ropes. :D And, that was while the passengers were still disembarking across the ramp to the gate. :D:D
Pat
Pat, you I both know that having a lock and using a lock are two different animals. Like I said, complacency kills. If rumor alone can affect the perception that getting locked out of or locked into the cockpit would persuade pilots to leave the door unlocked it's been my experience since the '70s that's what happens. The policy in place on 9/11/01 was to negotiate a peaceful outcome somewhere after the plane landed for fuel. The planes didn't "land" on 9/11.
It was deemed too costly and cumbersome to repair/replace broken doors (locks - knob and deadbolt) or use stronger heavier doors to secure the cockpit. Airlines are cheap. An ounce of protection was worth a pound of cure.
Pat, you I both know that having a lock and using a lock are two different animals. Like I said, complacency kills. If rumor alone can affect the perception that getting locked out of or locked into the cockpit would persuade pilots to leave the door unlocked it's been my experience since the '70s that's what happens. The policy in place on 9/11/01 was to negotiate a peaceful outcome somewhere after the plane landed for fuel. The planes didn't "land" on 9/11.
It was deemed too costly and cumbersome to repair/replace broken doors (locks - knob and deadbolt) or use stronger heavier doors to secure the cockpit. Airlines are cheap. An ounce of protection was worth a pound of cure.
You'll get no argument from me on that. I'd do away with the FAA and let the airlines and insurers form an organization to determine the regs. The airlines, after any incident, always say, "We did it by the FAA regs." It's the insurance companies and airlines that have to pay for it. It'd defiantly keep the NTSB, though! It's the only government organization that I trust. So far. ;)
Pat
Old Dog New Trick
08-11-2016, 23:04
Getting off track...
Trump needs to keep bashing away at the establishment both one and the same D&R and keep pushing his agenda of restoring world supremacy to the United States. Fair trade, social equality and financial independence for middle class and business. He needs to come out swinging that banks work for the people and not for Wall Street or special interest groups. And that Hillary has a long and distinguished trail of failure left behind.
He's not running against Obama, so unless it's a policy Hillary will continue bash the policy not the man.
ddoering
08-12-2016, 12:07
Have you been visting fringe conspiracy website Sigaba, because this sounds like talking points I hear from most of the left wing loons I run into from time to time.....this time last year a very left leaning, very nice lesbian told me that 'Trump is the next Hitler'.
So what kind of illegal orders are we talking about? Prosecuting or shooting climate change skeptics on sight?
Here is a question for you...
Will Trump sell off critical resources to foreign powers like the Uranium One deal, or give China missile technlogy, or pay a 400m for the release of hostages, or call AQI/ISIS the 'JV Team', or play 300 rounds of golf while the world burns and be fearfull of using the 'T' word?
Will Trump encourage certain groups to riot, burn, loot and kill police?
Ha ha. Trump as the next Hitler. The Dims have shot their wad and have no where to go with the conversation now. Ask the older Germans what they think of Hitler and most will tell you he was great until 1 Sept 1939. He did wonders for Germany. He had 5 good years why can't Trump have 4?
Now why don't they look at the current dictator who rules by the phone and the pen?
Perhaps Trump will construct some camps where he can concentrate all the libtards and let them work until they are free.
Golf1echo
08-12-2016, 15:33
Ha ha. Trump as the next Hitler. The Dims have shot their wad and have no where to go with the conversation now. Ask the older Germans what they think of Hitler and most will tell you he was great until 1 Sept 1939. He did wonders for Germany. He had 5 good years why can't Trump have 4?
Now why don't they look at the current dictator who rules by the phone and the pen?
Perhaps Trump will construct some camps where he can concentrate all the libtards and let them work until they are free.
I hope it's not Camp Wet Paper Bag.....they may never get out. :p
Trapper John
08-13-2016, 07:46
IMO, that's about as close to the reality of this f'd up situation as you can get! Good grief.
I am so fed up with this shit I could scream. Where the hell is Margaritaville anyway? I'm thinking of booking a one-way ticket. :D
Since I posted this I have been thinking that there may be method to the madness and some of the recent developments are falling into place that seem to support that thought.
First, we now know that the FBI requested a criminal investigation be opened re: the Clinton Foundation/State Department nexus under HC's time as SoS. This was promptly denied by DoJ.
Knowing this, Director Comey decided not to recommend charges against HC re: her private server as SoS. He knew that a grand jury would not be convened and DoJ would not prosecute. That would be the end of it. Instead he took the unusual step of holding a press conference to present his opening argument to the grand jury- We the People.
Next we see the beginning of the evidence against HC coming out that indeed there is at least the appearance of collusion between the Clinton Foundation and HC, Mrs. Anthony Weiner (aka Uma Abidin) and Cheryll Mills that probably rises to the level of criminal public corruption. The hard, irrefutable evidence is known and will trickle out over the next few weeks with a bomb to be dropped in late September early October. Probably before the 1st or 2nd debate.
In the meantime DT will continue to draw out and expose members of the ruling class and the dishonest media with them frothing at the mouth because he "said bad things". He will now have them just where he wants them and can make a very strong case to We the People that these are the elites that have been lieing to and manipulating us for their personal advantage for years.
It's time to throw the bastards out and clean house to return our government to We the People.
JMHO
...the electoral college members have most likely already cashed their paychecks and deposited their money into safe accounts
the entire process was bought and paid for years ago
...the electoral college members have most likely already cashed their paychecks and deposited their money into safe accounts
the entire process was bought and paid for years ago
So have the emails already been leaked that expose their job interviews with HC's people?
Badger52
08-13-2016, 18:45
So have the emails already been leaked that expose their job interviews with HC's people?Some things are done by phone call (or in parking garages) and will never see the printed word.
The Reaper
08-13-2016, 19:54
Hitlary's supporters don't care what serious crimes she may have committed.
After all, at this point, what does it matter?
Don't try and confuse low- / no-information voters with the facts.
TR
Hitlary's supporters don't care what serious crimes she may have committed.
After all, at this point, what does it matter?
Don't try and confuse low- / no-information voters with the facts.
TR
The "Never Trump/I'm voting Independent" voters don't care either, as they will help Hitlery into the White House and help inaugurate multiple progressive supreme court justices, and flood this country with non-assimilating aliens.
But hey, why let facts get in the way of a feel good session.
"What is happening to our country?" The engine which drives the political heart is impervious to being understood. The American "Common Good" is being mocked by a machine which enslaves us all. The imagination cowers at what is coming. Not a damned thing can be done to stop it. Hillary will wipe her fat ass with the Constitution, and Bill will use it for skivvy paper.
(But, I could be wrong. After all, I'm an incurable optimist.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNaaogT8fs
R3V3LATIONS
08-14-2016, 07:54
Voting for Trump, irregardless of one's opinion of him, is absolutely essential to prevent further perversion of the USA by means of a Hitlery sponsored supreme court.
I'll expound...
The very fact that HRC has made it this far in lieu of what is known (and disregarded) by the American people makes me fear that she will attempt to appoint BHO to the high court. Usually, I wouldn't think so, but these are strange times we live in. I'm hoping I am wrong, but to further that point, I can see the idiot half of the populace rationalizing the choice by saying "well...he was a president. He has experience, and he was a lawyer...so..."
Again, I hope I am wrong, but I'd estimate if she takes office, the House and Senate will remain strong for approximately two years before being over-run.
The Reaper
08-14-2016, 09:49
Again, I hope I am wrong, but I'd estimate if she takes office, the House and Senate will remain strong for approximately two years before being over-run.
When will the House and Senate START being strong?
Most of the Repubs are RINOs now.
TR
the house and the senate overflowing with weak spirited corrupt politicians is why we are in this mess in the first place...
...the idea that a congress filled with strong willed republi-cants is the only thing standing between the aMErican people and the ascension of the clintons to absolute power over the aMErican government is very unsettling
I have more faith in seeing the real santa clause come down my chimney
I'd estimate if she takes office, the House and Senate will remain strong for approximately two years before being over-run.
If the last 7-1/2 years are any indication of what will happen......they will do little more than sit on their nuts and collect a paycheck while she runs roughshod over the country.
Badger52
08-14-2016, 15:28
Usually, I wouldn't think so, but these are strange times we live in. I'm hoping I am wrong, but to further that point, I can see the idiot half of the populace rationalizing the choice by saying "well...he was a president. He has experience, and he was a lawyer...so..."They will rationalize it the same way they did voting for the current sitter TWICE. They will pat themselves on the back thinking "Gee, aren't I special; I was part of something historic! Because, this time, ya know.... vagina."
Usually, I wouldn't think so, but these are strange times we live in. I'm hoping I am wrong, but to further that point, I can see the idiot half of the populace rationalizing the choice by saying "well...he was a president. He has experience, and he was a lawyer...so..."
Again, I hope I am wrong, but I'd estimate if she takes office, the House and Senate will remain strong for approximately two years before being over-run.
The idiots are not the real problem - those votes are a forgone conclusion - let's face it Hildabeast owns these folks.
The problem - and the outcome of the election - reside with the aggregation of Cruz supporters who will not vote for Trump, the "Never Trump" people, the third party voters, the write-in voters, the Green Party voters, and the folks who sit this one out. The aggregate of all these voters provide the numbers to actually tip this election either way. If they vote for other than one of the two major party candidates - Hillary wins. If they hold their nose and vote against Hildabeast and coalesce around Trump our nation has a shot.
If the Hildabeast gets in...the country will suffer for decades because of, among other things, her judicial nominees and appointments. I hope I'm wrong.
Old Dog New Trick
08-14-2016, 16:39
I remain hopeful that the media and polls continue to convince a large percentage of inner city folks to burn their voting stations and millennials to stay in their mother's basements on voting day.
Let them eat cake too.
We do a lot of concentrating on all the Trump detractors cause they get all the press. We have to remember there are a lot of dems that could care less for the Hildabeast, she is not likeable and it will be her downfall within her party.
...she is not likeable and it will be her downfall within her party.
She is like all poor leaders that gain compliance NOT through example but through fear and coercion...
...her downfall is not something that will come from within the democrat party. Democrats will stand with her through any storm. It is a trait possessed by all party-loyal democrats. They will never turn on her.
Republicans on the other hand, eat their young.
Ask the older Germans what they think of Hitler and most will tell you he was great until 1 Sept 1939. He did wonders for Germany. He had 5 good years why can't Trump have 4?
With respect, Sir, "most" Germans do not think that Hitler was great until 1 Sept 1939. I am also hard pressed to think of any wonders he did for Germany that weren't carried out on the basis of politically disenfranchising and economically expropriating significant parts of the population. "Lowering" unemployment via socialist work programs and drafting people into the military while simultaneously creating jobs in the arms industry for upcoming wars of conquest does not credibly qualify, IMO.
But then again, he did build the Autobahn :rolleyes::D
In all seriousness, though, comparing Trump to Adolf Hitler is as silly as comparing Obama or Clinton to Hitler. It is the sort of polemic hyperbole that, in my view, has contributed significantly the the toxicity and polarization of contemporary political debate.
With respect, Sir, "most" Germans do not think that Hitler was great until 1 Sept 1939.
Notice he said "older Germans". I think he may be right but you won't find ANY that will ever publically admit it. Way too much stigma.
RomanCandle
08-16-2016, 13:40
With respect, Sir, "most" Germans do not think that Hitler was great until 1 Sept 1939. I am also hard pressed to think of any wonders he did for Germany that weren't carried out on the basis of politically disenfranchising and economically expropriating significant parts of the population. "Lowering" unemployment via socialist work programs and drafting people into the military while simultaneously creating jobs in the arms industry for upcoming wars of conquest does not credibly qualify, IMO.
But then again, he did build the Autobahn :rolleyes::D
In all seriousness, though, comparing Trump to Adolf Hitler is as silly as comparing Obama or Clinton to Hitler. It is the sort of polemic hyperbole that, in my view, has contributed significantly the the toxicity and polarization of contemporary political debate.
Some might argue that the political and economic disenfranchising was done quite effectively by the Wiemar government and however Hitler may or may not have ridden Germany of its abject poverty there is no doubt that he did turn Germany from being one of the poorest nations into one of the wealthier ones within half a decade.
Of course one can argue back and forth interminably about the merits and demerits and who was the real aggressor depending on who's history one wants to go with. More information seems to come to light that refutes the role of Germany as being the sole aggressor, and a lot more than will ever be admitted could quite probably be attributed to the conditions of Versailles and rampant profiteering by foreign banks that made Germany ripe for National Socialism.
Certain conditions seem to be repeating themselves maybe over a wider spread of nations than back then. Time will tell if the total pacification stops a repeat. Given a similar set of hopeless circumstances who knows what the near future holds for beleaguered western populations.
ddoering
08-16-2016, 13:51
With respect, Sir, "most" Germans do not think that Hitler was great until 1 Sept 1939. I am also hard pressed to think of any wonders he did for Germany that weren't carried out on the basis of politically disenfranchising and economically expropriating significant parts of the population. "Lowering" unemployment via socialist work programs and drafting people into the military while simultaneously creating jobs in the arms industry for upcoming wars of conquest does not credibly qualify, IMO.
But then again, he did build the Autobahn :rolleyes::D
In all seriousness, though, comparing Trump to Adolf Hitler is as silly as comparing Obama or Clinton to Hitler. It is the sort of polemic hyperbole that, in my view, has contributed significantly the the toxicity and polarization of contemporary political debate.
I spoke to many Germans from 78-91. The older ones for the most part had mixed feelings as I stated above. The younger ones grew up on a diet of self loathing and are still stuck in the apology cycle.
I see you are from Berlin. Nice town. I worked at the Military Liaison Mission in Potsdam and was present when the wall came down.
Badger52
08-16-2016, 17:01
I worked at the Military Liaison Mission in Potsdam and was present when the wall came down.Ah, after my time; must've been something. For the use it's been I'd have given my left nut to be there for that. Would've been some boots consumed at the Old Eden for sure if it was still there.
Anecdotally & generationally the perspective related by the Germans I got to know are similar to yours.