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The ballot is set.
Let's see which way the "winds" are blowing here.
Mustang Man
07-29-2016, 12:03
Proudly voted for Trump during NJ's primary. I now look forward to wearing my Make America Great Again hat while I cast my vote in the fall. Except this time I'll be in the heart of the liberal hell hole NYC while going to school. :munchin
(1VB)compforce
07-29-2016, 12:06
Proudly voted for Trump during NJ's primary. I now look forward to wearing my Make America Great Again hat while I cast my vote in the fall. Except this time I'll be in the heart of the liberal hell hole NYC while going to school. :munchin
I hope you're carryi...oh, wait...
The ballot is set.
Let's see which way the "winds" are blowing here.
We've not exactly been a bellweather for Presidential election results, I'm afraid.
We've not exactly been a bellweather for Presidential election results, I'm afraid.
Very true, especially after the one four years ago, where everyone and I mean EVERYONE, and not just on this board but outside it as well, was certain that Barry would lose to Romney.
But this time we're dealing with a massive division in the Dim/Lib/Pro/Soc party, (and a small one in the Rep Party) that those same "winds" that were blowing four years ago may have shifted.
As for me, I'm looking forward to the debates.
Here's a fun meme I made up last night ....
Ret10Echo
07-29-2016, 12:50
This cycle it's not voting "for" it's voting "against"
What a bunch of garbage choices.
This cycle it's not voting "for" it's voting "against"
What a bunch of garbage choices.
^This.
Personally, I think Trump is a douche.
But i would rather have my dog as President than Billary Clinton. So i will hold my nose and vote Trump. :munchin
Sounds like the Hillary camp want to have two debates/nights up against a couple of NFL games like they did with their debates with Sanders.
Don ain't buying it ...
ETA ... Here is the debate schedule:
The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) announced the first debate will take place on Sept. 26, 2016 at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio, while the second and third debates will occur on Oct. 9, 2016 at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, and Oct. 19, 2016 at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas in Las Vegas, Nevada. Though each debate will run from 9-10:30 p.m. E.T. without commercial breaks, debates will also be divided into different time segments lasting 10-15 minutes.
VP debate ...
CPD also announced the vice presidential debate will take place on Oct. 4, 2016, at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia.
Taken from here ---> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/presidential-debate-general-election-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-dates-and-venues-announced/
In this Presidential election, who are we really voting for?
This was brought up in a conversation I had with a few people the other night. That this election cycle, we're not really voting for Trump or Hillary, but more so their VP picks, Pence and Kaine.
The thought process behind it was/is ...
Trump wins, he really doesn't have the "insider" knowledge of how Washington and politics in general works, but Pence does. Also, if Trump finds that the job he just got is a little bit too much than he could handle, he would resign and give the position to Pence.
On Hillary's side, she knows how Washington works and has manipulated it in her favor for MANY years, but, the Republicans are most assuredly going to keep control of the House and Senate and won't be as cow-towed to her as they have been with Barry. All the scandals around her are going to come back and bite her hard. She very well may be impeached like her hubby, only this time removed from office, thus paving the way for Kaine.
Plus there is also the fact of either one of them being "taken out" ... I won't expound on just what that means. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
Could this election actually be about the election of either Pence or Kaine, or does the VP position not really matter?
Donald Trump could be the most unifying force in American politics since 9/11. As president, he would face a bipartisan coalition just itching to impeach him. In other words, the checks and balances of the Constitution would work.
On the other hand, Mrs. Clinton would walk into the Oval office and have a seat at the helm of a well-oiled political machine. She has the Democratic Party establishment in her pocket, Wall Street on a string, and a lapdog press that will send reports to her staff for prior approval. She will advance an agenda that does not include regard for the Constitution or this country's place in the world.
https://youtu.be/7LYRUOd_QoM
As Dad used to say, the last thing we need is efficient and effective government.
Nobody is going to resign and if Trump wins, nobody will impeach anybody.
If Trump wins everyone will be running scared. Scared that the unthinkable happened. The sheeple actually woke up and voted in the populist candidate.
This cycle it's not voting "for" it's voting "against"
What a bunch of garbage choices.
I'm voting FOR Trump as much as I am against Hitlery.
Trump doesn't have to know everything or be a seasoned politician. He can hire those once he gets elected. I think he's doing a pretty good job so far given that conventional wisdom had him crashing and burning a looong time ago.
"Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here," but...
I'll vote FOR a Trump presidency simply with the hope that unintended consequence or intentional design creates enough chaos within the beltway that aMEricans are FORCED to finally see our modern political process for what it has become...
...a self licking ice cream cone pandering to the masses so the machine will have a constant flow of soft serve for the DC fat cats
Hillary Rotten Clinton will ensure that the status quo of inside jobs and high dollar back scratching will continue for as long as our economy can support it.
NOt that her life style will EVER change; dont forget, this was the lady who associated her quarter of a million dollar speaking fees with that old gem the common folks refer to as "being broke".
Trump's reality TV show campaign style appeals to people because we have grown ACCUSTOMED to reality TV politics and it goes all the way back to Jimmy Carter and the sweater speech and it just escalated from there...
...Iran contra
...read my lips, no new taxes
...I feel your pain
...mission accomplished
...running from sniper fire
...if you like your doctor you can KEEP your doctor
...dude that was like, two years ago
Wrap that shit up with a taco-supreme court jester saying she'll move to new zealand if her candidate dont win and its no wonder our political process is a fucking sham.
"...of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong."
Trump's reality campaign style appeals to me because it is different than the establishment approved playbook for Republican candidates allows. He actually says the stuff that is said around my table at home, that I hear when travelling in rural America. He actually says some shit that is COMMON SENSE. He actually and unapologetically expounds an America First philosophy.
I know that some here, along with a bunch of blue-haired old ladies that attend church don't "trust" Trump. Think that he is a "liar" and "mean" . I get that. But... what politician doesn't lie? Which one is not out for himself? How is telling the truth, "mean"?
I have long said that Bush II after 9/11 should have roused the Sleeping Giant and put us on a war footing. The WORLD would have trembled in fear at our justifiable wrath. But he did not. I regret that.
I desperately want someone who might just put America first. IF not that then I want someone who will lay waste to the status quo.
Now there are those that don't agree with me, and I get that. However how anyone can not vote and sit this one out is beyond me. Seriously it is a binary choice. Sitting out the election and not voting on "principle" is as baffling to me as those who sensing failure on the land nav course moved to the nearest road and sat down waiting or the no-go truck to pick them up.
"Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here," but...
I'll vote FOR a Trump presidency simply with the hope that unintended consequence or intentional design creates enough chaos within the beltway that aMEricans are FORCED to finally see our modern political process for what it has become...
...a self licking ice cream cone pandering to the masses so the machine will have a constant flow of soft serve for the DC fat cats
Hillary Rotten Clinton will ensure that the status quo of inside jobs and high dollar back scratching will continue for as long as our economy can support it.
NOt that her life style will EVER change; dont forget, this was the lady who associated her quarter of a million dollar speaking fees with that old gem the common folks refer to as "being broke".
I'm seeing it along those lines. I will vote for Trump, not because I expect him to do a better job than Clinton but because I expect he will effectively gridlock the federal government for 4 or 8 years. There are enough Republicans who won't go along with any ideas he may have that he'll have a damn hard time getting anything through a Republican congress. Democrats wouldn't piss on him to put him out if he were on fire so if the congress turns Democratic, it's full gridlock.
The federal government is fully a self-licking ice cream cone. There really isn't any way to turn back the tide in the sense that no one is going to advance through our political system on a platform of shutting down the Departments of Education, Homeland Security, or Energy, reforming to a flat tax and firing 90% of the IRS, or anything near what needs to be done to rein in government over-reach.
The best we can hope for is gridlock.
Trump. I can not stand to even look at Billery much less listen to her.
frostfire
08-02-2016, 04:52
can't shut down my conscience long enough to vote for Trump
can't shut down my brain long enough to vote for Hillary
I was looking into Johnson-Weld when I came across this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/us/politics/libertarian-party-gary-johnson-william-weld.html?ref=politics&_r=0
Somebody tells me it's all just a loooong bad dream and we're waking up soon :boohoo
...I was looking into Johnson-Weld when I came across this...
Being retarded is not a good quality for a VP candidate.
Basing his defense of HRC by mentioning Powell just cements it. Elected/appointed government officials are not supposed to use government e-mail for personal business. HRC used private e-mail for classified e-mails.
Obama is as unqualified now to be POTUS as he was when he was first elected to the office. I guess he speaks from personal experience when he makes the claim that Trump is unfit or not qualified for the job.
The "Big 3" on the issues.
I don't know exactly how accurate this is so, Your Millage My Vary.
2 votes for Clinton, ey? Who are the jokers?
bblhead672
08-10-2016, 09:22
http://spectator.org/64643_when-trump-fought-racists/
I'd like to change my vote to "Other".
I may hold my nose this election, but if the next four years turn out like I think they will, only one man will get my vote from now until he takes his last breath. He's honest, and he cares about the zombie apocalypse. Who is this man I speak of? Who other than.....Vermin Supreme.
I want my pony, and I already practice good dental hygiene :D
http://bennorton.com/2016-us-presidential-election-endorsement-vermin-supreme/
Trump looking very Presidential ... while Barry continues to fiddle (golf).
Donald Trump Visits Flood-Damaged Louisiana Area
ST. AMANT, La. — If Donald J. Trump were looking for those fed up with the national media and the Obama administration, he had some fertile ground in flood-wrecked southern Louisiana.
Over the week leading up to a visit here by Mr. Trump on Friday, a sentiment burned that the flooding, which has left thousands of people in shelters, has been unconscionably overlooked on the national level. The Advocate newspaper in Baton Rouge published an editorial on Wednesday slamming President Obama for not interrupting his vacation to visit the flood-stricken areas, comparing his absence to President George W. Bush’s much-derided flyover of a flooded New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
Into this came Mr. Trump.
“It just lets you know that somebody on the national level is doing something,” said Sandra Bennett, 76, a Trump supporter who lost everything in the flooding and had come to see the Republican presidential nominee at the first of his several stops around the flood-battered area on Friday. “We don’t just believe in Trump for this, though,” she said. “We think he’s got the right values.”
Word that Mr. Trump would be coming surfaced in reports on Thursday night after a speech in North Carolina in which he spoke briefly of “the heartbreak and devastation in Louisiana, a state that is very special to me.”
The news of his visit seemed to catch many officials here by surprise. Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, said in a statement late Thursday that he had not been told anything about it. The governor said he welcomed Mr. Trump to Louisiana, “but not for a photo-op. Instead we hope he’ll consider volunteering or making a sizable donation” to to the Louisiana Flood Relief Fund “to help the victims of this storm.” Which he did. He made a very sizable donation.
Rest of the story here ----> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/politics/donald-trump-louisiana-flood.html?_r=0
Trump looking very Presidential ... while Barry continues to fiddle (golf).
It's going good to take a lot to changer any of the senior vote who has already bought into hillary as the safe candidate and who considers trump mean and racist.
I think that this part of the vOTE may be pivotal
Your vote in this election matters for two (2) reasons:
1. SCOTUS
2. To halt/confront, delay, obstruct the political philosophy of "Progressive Liberalism".
Not to vote republican is to deny your children the future you believe is possible, and what you have sacrificed so much for.
EDT: Recent news blurb: Jimmy Carter wants HRC to beat Trump "soundly". Pretty rich for a fail Carter's Presidency, that imho, is responsible for placing us in the exact position we find ourselves to today, held hostage by a two bit theocracy. If Carter had responded to the state sponsored "act of war", as an "act of war", we would not be dealing with these fucking moo-slimes today!
Trump.
Was speaking with a customer and in the background there was a rather heated discussion going on between a couple of people and a male voice said "you better get out there and vote and it better not be for that bit**" I started laughing and said hey tell him I agree, she cracked up and actually told him.
First debate tonight, the Commander in Chief forum on NBC.
:munchin
Trump shouldn't have attended.
There was nothing to be gained when it's being hosted by a Hitlery sycophant.
The media reaction is predictable...I watched it with my Father last night and we both thought Trump did fine...a couple of the questions asked by the audience to Trump were silly...on the General comment...Trump is right...how many Generals has Obama fired or found a way to let go? Plenty. What are the quals / motives of those he elevates? I know that is debated here, and 'woman', 'queer' and 'ass-kissing dog' are the consensus on some.
We watched Hitlery as well, and it was painfully obvious she was lying and answering in circles on the email questions. Anyone with half a brain could recognize it. Lauer could have mopped her up when she lied, again, that she never sent classified material on her server...'but, Ms. Clinton, that is not true according to FBI Director Comey, the fact is that you sent 122 classified emails over an unsecure server...so who's right, Directory Comey or you?'
The question posed to her by the Pilot was devastating...and no follow up from Lauer? The media corruption really boils the blood.
Golf1echo
09-08-2016, 09:14
Not trying to drift the thread but just a comment on American values. Recently I had the occasion to stop in Abilene, Kansas after passing by it dozens of times in the past, it happens to be where my family came from generations ago. It reflects a dynamic time in our history where the Wild West went into the early 1900's very rapidly. The first 8 miles of interstate, the first phone company and of course the Chisholm Trail bringing Texas beefs to Eastern markets are there. It is where Eisenhower was raised which brings me to the point. Many of our past presidents where veterans, which works out much better as a prerequisite for being Commander in Chief, government was smaller and helped bring change rather than impede it, it generally brought us together rather than dividing us and regardless of the party represented the people's interest as opposed to individual political interests. Of course these are generalizations and our challenges are different in some ways but just wanted to juxtapose some fairly recent historical context to this years election.
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
Eisenhower
http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/dwight-d-eisenhower
Much of the foot print of that spectrum of history is all still right there for us to see.
Many of our past presidents where veterans, which works out much better as a prerequisite for being Commander in Chief
...should be a pre-requisite to vote.
I'm not a military Veteran, and I would gladly give up my right to vote for such a system.
it generally brought us together rather than dividing us and regardless of the party represented the people's interest as opposed to individual political interests.
...it did, and it would, no doubt. What you touched on is from a time when most men (and many women) were or had been in the service, meaning most had a semblance of good character, responsibility and judgement.
Whether Trump or Hiltery is elected, IMO, if we as a country don't get back to a time where voters, and our leaders, ALL had skin in the game, the system will remain corrupt. The voting pool is corrupt...in morality and fidelity.
SouthernDZ
09-08-2016, 09:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr1IDQ2V1eM
Solid evidence.
The Reaper
09-08-2016, 10:12
John Kerry has military experience.
I don't think too many of us would like to see him as POTUS.
TR
John Kerry has military experience.
I don't think too many of us would like to see him as POTUS.
TR
I concur on that, TR.
I was coming at it from a test of character standpoint, and as a volunteer. No draft.
I can imagine a lot of the progressive-commie ilk, be they voters, leaders, pundits, strategists, etc., would baulk at the thought of true service to their country, as a minimum standard for the franchise; thus eliminating many of them from steering the ship.
It wouldn't be a perfect system. I hazard to think that it would be better than what it's become.
Perhaps those who earned the responsibility to vote might actually cherish it and be protective of it, like all of us here do.
Streck-Fu
09-08-2016, 11:55
...should be a pre-requisite to vote.
I'm not a military Veteran, and I would gladly give up my right to vote for such a system.
This completely contradicts our claimed founding principles of individual liberty.
This completely contradicts our claimed founding principles of individual liberty.
The Founding Fathers had high standards for those casting a ballot. Being a land owner was one.
Golf1echo
09-08-2016, 12:22
John Kerry has military experience.
I don't think too many of us would like to see him as POTUS.
TR
I certainly agree there and it appears to be the case with several others as well. Not everyone is an Eisenhower and surely he wasn't perfect, the times and values have changed but it would be better for us all to put more value into things like ethics, integrity, service, etc... For all leadership in general, those qualities seem to be diminished in this day an age.
First REAL debate tonight ...
If Trump can "keep his cool" and rattle the Hildabeaat, he could come out with a pretty good swing upwards in the polls.
Yes, I'm pretty pumped for the viewing.
Gonna go out to dinner, have a good meal, come back, pour a glass and savor.
I am going to need to create a ball pit in my living room in case there are any triggers during the debate.
...and come November, they are going to need to put ball pits outside of the polling stations to keep peoples stress levels down
OMFG, who prepped Trump? That MF should be shot! They psyched profiled him and made it personal, he goes off the rail, like the NG on his 1st ambush.
Its just stupid, let him unwind on a planetary live feed level...I want to puke....
OMFG, who prepped Trump? That MF should be shot! They psyched profiled him and made it personal, he goes off the rail, like the NG on his 1st ambush.
Its just stupid, let him unwind on a planetary live feed level...I want to puke....
I never see much point in these debates, it is all about who can make the best argument and has little to do with truth and actual implementation.
Its all about impressions, who has "leadership" qualities and can be calm under fire.... Trump is too emotional, and can not associate fact to argument, he's a NG at this time.....
Would not want him as my PL....
Its all about impressions, who has "leadership" qualities and can be calm under fire.... Trump is too emotional, and can not associate fact to argument, he's a NG at this time.....
I hear what you saying, but you know that Hillary is a slick, conniving liar. If you know that going into it, and after 90 minutes have the impression she has proper leadership qualities and is better suited for the big chair.....we're screwed.
when she attacked him on the ^ chapter 11 he files, he should have said, you Known nothing about business, YOU HAVE NEVER MET A PAYROLL, in fact, you have only been paid by tax payers like me!!!!
DONE!
I know what you are saying.
mark46th
09-26-2016, 21:41
Remember guys- We have to vote for Trump. This election is all about the Supreme Court. We have a chance for the court to remain conservative if Trump is elected.
If you think the 2nd Amendment is under attack from the Obama administration, wait until Hillary gets elected and appoints a couple more Kagans and Sotomayors to the Supreme Court...
TOMAHAWK9521
09-26-2016, 22:01
The one disturbing thought that kept going through my head during the debate was "How many beautiful, young women had to be kidnapped and exsanguinated in the previous weeks in order for Hillary's appearance to look so healthy and vibrant."
I thought it was a draw....and yes....DT missed some pivotal attack avenues.
Nothing lost, but little gained. Onward we march......
I'd be interested to know how everyone was watching (or listening). I watched on C-SPAN and all they had on the screen the whole time was split screen closeups of Trump and Clinton so I was able to watch each as the other spoke. When The Donald was talking, The Hillary was almost constantly blinking but occasionally closed her eyes and looked like she was about to fall asleep and her head was unsteady. I didn't notice anything unusual with Trump except adjusting the mic occasionally and taking sips of water.
I thought Trump was fine until about the last 15 or 20 minutes, but he did miss opportunities to rattle her early on which was a mistake. Holt actually gave him an opening with the cyber security threat but he didn't use it.
He also needs to learn to be specific on issues like the need to cut corporate taxes: "While the corporation may write the check for them, the cost is passed on to the consumer; it's another tax on the citizens that they don't even see but applaud when it's implemented." He can use specifics to educate the voters instead of using generalities just to win votes.
Pat
I'd be interested to know how everyone was watching (or listening). I watched on C-SPAN and all they had on the screen the whole time was split screen closeups of Trump and Clinton so I was able to watch each as the other spoke. When The Donald was talking, The Hillary was almost constantly blinking but occasionally closed her eyes and looked like she was about to fall asleep and her head was unsteady. I didn't notice anything unusual with Trump except adjusting the mic occasionally and taking sips of water.
I thought Trump was fine until about the last 15 or 20 minutes, but he did miss opportunities to rattle her early on which was a mistake. Holt actually gave him an opening with the cyber security threat but he didn't use it.
He also needs to learn to be specific on issues like the need to cut corporate taxes: "While the corporation may write the check for them, the cost is passed on to the consumer; it's another tax on the citizens that they don't even see but applaud when it's implemented." He can use specifics to educate the voters instead of using generalities just to win votes.
Pat
Good points.
The little I watched was while at my mothers and she had it on PBS, the commentators were all pro-Clinton and Mom even suggested a change in channel. During the time I watched Holt asked Trump several direct questions and asked Clinton zero.
Me personally, my mind is always made prior to the debates. I don't find much worth is these debates, never have, I find them to be biased and put this in the catagory of campaign promises.
But I do realize that many don't have there minds made up at this point, many of whom are very appearance driven, and for them it is more about appearence on stage then the substance of the person. For many of these folks it is forget thngs like Benghazi, Clinton looked better on stage than Trump and that could be the deciding factor as to whom they vote for.
For comparison, when I returned home from Mom's, my daughter was watching the debate, I listened in again. My take away from listening was that Trump held his own, and Clinton sounded like the skilled and canned politician she has always been.
That said, I would put the result at close to a draw. But I would probably give Hillary a very slight edge because she got in some good digs.
Online polling was as expected, results tilted towards the politcal leanings of the website.
Forums.....conservative leaning were more realisitic about the outcome, whereas liberal sites thought they had just won the Super Bowl.
Good analysis. I too think that Trump missed some opportunities and could have educated more as you said, PSM. However he did not melt down and had no major gaffes. He did ok for his FIRST EVER one-on-one debate.
I think that we need to keep in mind that the Hilldabeast is an experienced liar and has experience in this type of debate forum. She was well prepared and well scripted. She will show up for the second debate in a similar fashion.
Trump has gained valuable experience and he and his team will dissect his performance and he will come out better prepared and more comfortable and confident for round 2 of this 3 round fight.
No guarantees, but Trump has much more potential upside in future debate performances than the beast.
my $0.02
I thought it was a draw....and yes....DT missed some pivotal attack avenues.
Nothing lost, but little gained. Onward we march......
I think they had an agreement beforehand that Bengazi and the email server were off limits.
Trump definitely didn't go for the throat, and he came of sounding legitimate and speaking from the heart, so to speak. Kilary came off sounding like the typical fence straddling politician we have all grown to hate.
(1VB)compforce
09-27-2016, 06:30
I think they had an agreement beforehand that Bengazi and the email server were off limits.
Trump definitely didn't go for the throat, and he came of sounding legitimate and speaking from the heart, so to speak. Kilary came off sounding like the typical fence straddling politician we have all grown to hate.
From the beginning it was clear that Hillary was going to try to take shots at Trump. She made some comments in her opening question that Trump was visibly holding himself back from responding to. The last 15-20 minutes should never have happened in a good debate. Trump finally decided to defend himself from Hillary's constant personal attacks about the time that she called him a racist. That's when the debate completely came apart and turned into a name calling contest. I think the net result of that contest is that Hillary came out looking petty. If her snide remarks and jokes fell flat with millenials, she may have hurt herself with them.
Hillary's language was all passive despite the tone. "We need to" vs. Trump's "We will/I will"
I don't think that the debate will have changed much.
eta: Trump missed a huge opportunity for an attack when Clinton blamed the meltdown in 2008 on Trickle Down Economics. The fact is that there were two factors for the 2008 recession... Mortgages failing (lenders forced to take sub prime loans) and the banks getting into the credit swap markets, which was prohibited by law until Bill Clinton signed a law repealing the prohibition.
Trump missed a huge opportunity for an attack when Clinton blamed the meltdown in 2008 on Trickle Down Economics. The fact is that there were two factors for the 2008 recession... Mortgages failing (lenders forced to take sub prime loans) and the banks getting into the credit swap markets, which was prohibited by law until Bill Clinton signed a law repealing the prohibition.
Yes, 1VB, I was yelling at the TV.
Chris Dodd and Barney Frank being the architects of that disastrous law...in my mind...this was an easy argument to win, and it warranted thorough discussion.
Trump could have slammed the door shut on her by doing so...showing that when government, and in particular, the commie's, meddle in the free market, be it in the 1930's or 2008, economic calamity follows.
No, instead, she got away with that lying tripe.
The more I read about Trump's prep for the debate, the more aggravated I become. Round table talking points with advisers being the format, rather than mock debates and prep for gotcha questions.
This is for the d*mn Presidency Mr. Trump!
You need to be watching film of past debates and her speeches, knowing her inside and out.
I didn't see that last night, given some very easy missed attack opportunities.
ETA: OTOH, Trump has won so far by following his own intuition, and perhaps he's saving the heavy salvo for the later two debates; that are heartbeats away from election day. If so, and if he was simply trying to come across as 'less scary' last night, then he might still prove to have a solid command at stratagem.
Viewers unhappy with the questions asked at Monday night’s debate will have a shot to weigh in before Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton meet again on October 9: For the first time, the networks producing the town-hall style debate have agreed to accept questions voted on through the internet.
The Commission on Presidential Debates had already announced that the second of three debates would feature questions submitted online in addition to those asked by the traditional studio audience. But on Tuesday morning, the organizers confirmed they are embracing a format that a broad bipartisan cross-section of activist and civic groups known as the Open Debate Coalition have been pushing for years. Americans will be able to submit and then vote on questions online at PresidentialOpenQuestions.com, and ABC and CNN have agreed to consider the 30 most popular queries when they jointly plan the debate.
Source (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/in-debate-two-the-questions-are-on-the-ballot/501791/)
Hindsight is always 20/20, he missed making some points however in my mind he is in no worse position than he was yesterday. Grandma HRC came out wanting to be so likeable, it ain't gonna happen.
Hindsight is always 20/20, he missed making some points however in my mind he is in no worse position than he was yesterday. Grandma HRC came out wanting to be so likeable, it ain't gonna happen.
Trump will get better with each debate. HRC is as good as she is going to get.
atticus finch
09-30-2016, 15:56
Trump will get better with each debate. HRC is as good as she is going to get.
Agreed, Trump wasn't fully prepared for this one but he'll be better the next time around.
As it is he won the parts of this debate he needed to. He didn't come off as angry, off his rocker, anything the leftists have painted him as.
Also he won where it counted, economics & jobs and didn't lose when they tried to bait him by losing his cool. Stood his ground but didn't go off into left field verbally.
Trump had to win by not beating himself, he accomplished that.
The hildabeast had to portray herself as likeable and trustworthy. She failed completely, that arrogant grin and her canned answers just reinforced the stigma she's just another political establishment insider.
The hildabeast had to win by not beating herself, she failed badly.
Lighthouse
09-30-2016, 17:59
I don't think I heard the word Constitution during that entire debate.
Badger52
09-30-2016, 20:01
Wish someone would take away his Twitter account.
:rolleyes:
The Reaper
09-30-2016, 20:28
Wish someone would take away his Twitter account.
:rolleyes:
Or just get him to keep his mouth shut and not take the bait.
TR
Wish someone would take away his Twitter account.
:rolleyes:
And those who told me that being critical of him would lead to "electing Hillary".
I blame Hannity, Jeffery Lord, Katrina Pierson, Rush, Bolling, Scottie Nell-Hughes and the other Rockettes who danced around with their signs telling us to let him say whatever he wants whilst explaining to us "what he really meant".
. . .and the other Rockettes. . .:D
Yep, Levin and Loesch have been warning him about walking into these ambushes. But, he doesn't walk in. . .he runs in. He has too many advisers, both family and hired. He needs to pick one and put the fate of the nation in their hands. My guess is that Conway would be the best choice, but I'm not sitting in on the meetings.
Pat
:D
Yep, Levin and Loesch have been warning him about walking into these ambushes. But, he doesn't walk in. . .he runs in. He has too many advisers, both family and hired. He needs to pick one and put the fate of the nation in their hands. My guess is that Conway would be the best choice, but I'm not sitting in on the meetings.
Pat
Honestly, his best hope for having ANY success in the upcoming debates would be old "lyin Ted Cruz".
Jesus, can you imagine what the debate would have been like with him up there. He would have destroyed her. I mean think about it, she actually prepared for the median level performance.
What a cunt.
Trump is like a 29 year old kidult who has been allowed by his parents to still live at home and not work. Then after a little while, your kindness turns in to enabling.
Honestly, his best hope for having ANY success in the upcoming debates would be old "lyin Ted Cruz".
Jesus, can you imagine what the debate would have been like with him up there. He would have destroyed her. I mean think about it, she actually prepared for the median level performance.
What a cunt.
Trump is like a 29 year old kidult who has been allowed by his parents to still live at home and not work. Then after a little while, your kindness turns in to enabling.
Well, this is where we are. The future ain't going to be pretty no matter who wins.
Pat
Well, this is where we are. The future ain't going to be pretty no matter who wins.
Pat
My point was that he should be bringing him into the fold in order to help out with debate prep.
Hell, even Trey Gowdy wouldn't be half bad to help out either.
But hey........just remember.........."He is unconventional".
N
My point was that he should be bringing him into the fold in order to help out with debate prep.
Hell, even Trey Gowdy wouldn't be half bad to help out either.
But hey........just remember.........."He is unconventional".
N
Oh, hell yeah! But it ain't going to happen. Gowdy, maybe, but there is too much bad blood between Trump and Cruz. And he'd still have to shed most of his current advisers. My hope, and it's a long shot, is that he's setting ambushes for the Hildabeast in the next two debates.
ETA: I had a scary thought this morning: Remember Woodrow Wilson? He was the first, truly, progressive President that had a stroke about half way through his second term and his wife stepped in and ran things. Has there been legislation to prevent that in the future? And what if the First Spouse is a former elected President? Are her health issues a set up to allow Bill back into the Oval Office? "Consider this, if you will..." - Rod Serling.
Pat
Oh, hell yeah! But it ain't going to happen. Gowdy, maybe, but there is too much bad blood between Trump and Cruz. And he'd still have to shed most of his current advisers. My hope, and it's a long shot, is that he's setting ambushes for the Hildabeast in the next two debates.
ETA: I had a scary thought this morning: Remember Woodrow Wilson? He was the first, truly, progressive President that had a stroke about half way through his second term and his wife stepped in and ran things. Has there been legislation to prevent that in the future? And what if the First Spouse is a former elected President? Are her health issues a set up to allow Bill back into the Oval Office? "Consider this, if you will..." - Rod Serling.
Pat
The constitution was amended so that the cabinet officers could declare the president temporarily incompetent and replace him/her for the time being. It was meant to prevent the Wilson scenario from happening again.
I still think the best play would have been to bury the hatchet after director Comey decided not to recommend charges against Hillary.
Have a Trump /Cruz ticket in the interest of uprooting career politicians and putting our differences aside with the goal of stopping corruption that seems to follow the clintons around like herpes.
The constitution was amended so that the cabinet officers could declare the president temporarily incompetent and replace him/her for the time being. It was meant to prevent the Wilson scenario from happening again.
Thanks! Wasn't there also legislation to keep a President from appointing a family member after JFK put up RFK for AG?
Also, don't forget who fills the cabinet and with whom? ;)
Pat
GratefulCitizen
10-01-2016, 18:05
The one disturbing thought that kept going through my head during the debate was "How many beautiful, young women had to be kidnapped and exsanguinated in the previous weeks in order for Hillary's appearance to look so healthy and vibrant."
This is how conspiracies start!
:D
https://youtu.be/rxhnHboCkYQ
How convenient that the media chose to leak this story in regards to his vulgar comments about women on the eve of the next debate.
Its over. The powers at be have shown their hand months ago, they want Hillary to win. As She is going to continue to run left and further make the American people "dependent" on the system in order to further perpetuate power, which will further perpetuate the Democratic party.
Like I always say...........At least its not "little marco" or "lyin ted".
What a fucking disgrace this whole thing has become. The best we can hope for at this point is for Hurricane Matthew to magically jump inland to St.Louis Sunday night and wipe both of them out.
Then maybe we can start over and have a real primary and a real election.
I've never been too keen on Trump, but I am a conservative, so I hoped that he would win and put the right justices in place. But now, wtf else can go wrong. We've all had locker room talk and probably said things we wished we hadn't, but none of us are running for President. At this point, I think he's been a Democrat "plant" all along and we fell for it. And to top it off, the dipshit losers (Romney, Bush, and the others are right on board with the Dims aiming the cannons straight into the hull trying to finish us off. Fuck!
bailaviborita
10-08-2016, 06:54
Im not so sure. I don't think his supporters - those who hate Obama's fundamental change and are fed up with the Establishment - are supporting him because of his morals. The question I have is whether this results in enough Bernie Sanders supporters who hate Hillary coming out to vote for her...
Im not so sure. I don't think his supporters - those who hate Obama's fundamental change and are fed up with the Establishment - are supporting him because of his morals. The question I have is whether this results in enough Bernie Sanders supporters who hate Hillary coming out to vote for her...
Democrats always come home to roost.
Were done. Thanks to the surrogates who propped him up all these months.
Golf1echo
10-08-2016, 09:48
Easy to have a knee jerk reaction to the released statements....when the dust settles that battle, to be better than that, happens in each of us.
Imagine what Bill and his friend Epstien or Hiliar and Huma actually says on any given day..." if they weren't they certainly missed a good chance to"!
It's been interesting to see the interconnections to the Bush family as the election drags near, reiterates how incestuous Washington actually is...We really need to change some things!
Badger52
10-08-2016, 10:52
Imagine what Bill and his friend Epstien or Hiliar and Huma actually says on any given day..." if they weren't they certainly missed a good chance to"!Like checking the box for "13-yr olds" in the back of someone's Gulfstream?
Easy to have a knee jerk reaction to the released statements....when the dust settles that battle, to be better than that, happens in each of us.
Imagine what Bill and his friend Epstien or Hiliar and Huma actually says on any given day..." if they weren't they certainly missed a good chance to"!
It's been interesting to see the interconnections to the Bush family as the election drags near, reiterates how incestuous Washington actually is...We really need to change some things!
Those of us who were uneasy about him from the get-go, saw this coming a mile away. It's only going to get worse from here on out as you have to be naive if for one second you think that the praetorian guard media and the Hillary Clinton campaign dont have more ammo cached for later in October.
I told you so trumpsters, this is what happens when we nominate a candidate with zero principles.
Get ready for 4 more years of tyranny.
Those of us who were uneasy about him from the get-go, saw this coming a mile away. It's only going to get worse from here on out as you have to be naive if for one second you think that the praetorian guard media and the Hillary Clinton campaign dont have more ammo cached for later in October.
I told you so trumpsters, this is what happens when we nominate a candidate with zero principles.
Get ready for 4 more years of tyranny.
Better to go down in flames, than slowly bleed out. Sorry to say none of the other schmucks would have made it.
May the RNC burn to the ground.
Better to go down in flames, than slowly bleed out. Sorry to say none of the other schmucks would have made it.
May the RNC burn to the ground.
Sorry brother, but you are full of it.
Seriously, against the dumpster fire that the Clinton machine is... The majority of those candidates would have been an acceptable opposition candidate to her. Even Trump was considered acceptable at one time, however I think it was pretty prevalent since the get-go that the Democrats were keeping their powder dry until this point.
So give me your worst in terms of the holier-than-thou speech about Lyin Ted Cruz but remember this... We might have actually had a presidential election versus a reality TV show.
People called him the outsider, false.
People called him unconventional, false.
People said that he was against large corporations such as Goldman Sachs... Until he started hiring people that once worked for them as well.
The bottom line is that this is what you get when you bring someone on board who has no principles or moral convictions. You have someone who bounces all over the map and can't even stick to one simple position.
Screw this whole damn circus.
Sorry brother, but you are full of it.
Seriously, against the dumpster fire that the Clinton machine is... The majority of those candidates would have been an acceptable opposition candidate to her. Even Trump was considered acceptable at one time, however I think it was pretty prevalent since the get-go that the Democrats were keeping their powder dry until this point.
So give me your worst in terms of the holier-than-thou speech about Lyin Ted Cruz but remember this... We might have actually had a presidential election versus a reality TV show.
People called him the outsider, false.
People called him unconventional, false.
People said that he was against large corporations such as Goldman Sachs... Until he started hiring people that once worked for them as well.
The bottom line is that this is what you get when you bring someone on board who has no principles or moral convictions. You have someone who bounces all over the map and can't even stick to one simple position.
Screw this whole damn circus.
If the other prospects had been acceptable, or possibly had a better game plan they would have made the final cut, not Trump. I would have voted for Ted, but he blew chow by being a bit too preachy, and he had lunitic Glenn Beck running shotgun.
Bring on board principles and moral convictions???? Is Hillary more principled and does she have higher moral convictions than Trump? I think not. How about other insiders like Paul Ryan? Karl Rove? John McCain? John Beohner? Harry Reid? Jeb Buch? Kaisch? Tim Kaine?
Just saying, principles and moral compass are at best very low on the job requirments for this type of job.
You are correct, it is a circus!
And what must we do to survive......adapt.
If the other prospects had been acceptable, or possibly had a better game plan they would have made the final cut, not Trump. I would have voted for Ted, but he blew chow by being a bit too preachy, and he had lunitic Glenn Beck running shotgun.
Bring on board principles and moral convictions???? Is Hillary more principled and does she have higher moral convictions than Trump? I think not. How about other insiders like Paul Ryan? Karl Rove? John McCain? John Beohner? Harry Reid? Jeb Buch? Kaisch? Tim Kaine?
Just saying, principles and moral compass are at best very low on the job requirments for this type of job.
You are correct, it is a circus!
And what must we do to survive......adapt.
Maybe if you just put down his Bible.
Let us not forget, that the Bible was meant to be a guide that steers us in regards to right and wrong while navigating this Earth. Yes it was imperfect, yes it was contradicting at times, however we tend to view it more and more these days as something of the past. Obviously things weren't going correctly prior to the arrival of Donald Trump. People were frustrated, they were looking for someone to vent the frustrations that were pent up inside of them. I feel that both cruz and Trump both did a good job of expressing their opinions and identifying with the frustrations of most Americans these days. They both did it in their own way, but at least Crews would have been predictable for the most part. Trump has turned into an all-out joke who still continues to Pander and capitulate in the same manner as Democrats.
As for your remarks earlier about going down in flames, I intend to do just that. This man is generally unacceptable at best and can't even get the issue of what bathroom men and women are supposed to use correct.
Too bad Ted Cruz's father killed John F Kennedy comma otherwise we might have actually had a debate last week instead of incoherent blabbering like which I've never seen other than on Hannity.
I'll take the moral compass and Bible any day of the week asthma navigational tools through this life.
The Donald is Hillary slapping Hillary right now. IMO.
a...aaAAAaaand I think Don took this one tonight.
Just like Reagan took the second one from Mondale, (after losing the 1st), you know the one, "I will not make age an issue. I will not exploit my opponents youth and inexperience ..."
The "You'd be in Jail" line was brilliant.
... as well as this ....
The Donald is Hillary slapping Hillary right now. IMO.
I reckon Trump performed far better at this town hall debate compared to the unprepared "winging it" disaster of the 1st debate.
I thought he got Hillary pretty good on the special interest money/corruption.
I think Trump improved dramatically, but he could still stand to cut down on the verbose and non specific language.
He's good when he's both blunt and showing a wee bit of humility.
I only wish when he complimented Hillary for being tough and not quitting he should have followed up by saying that sadly her only success has been climbing the ladder to the detriment of the entire country.
Hillary "always supports/opposes" when convenient, but never executes for success.
I reckon Trump performed far better at this town hall debate compared to the unprepared "winging it" disaster of the 1st debate.
I thought he got Hillary pretty good on the special interest money/corruption.
I think Trump improved dramatically, but he could still stand to cut down on the verbose and non specific language.
He's good when he's both blunt and showing a wee bit of humility.
I only wish when he complimented Hillary for being tough and not quitting he should havce followed up by saying that sadly her only success has been climbing the ladder to the detriment of the entire country.
Hillary "always supports/opposes" when convenient, but never executes for success.
And the specific things that b hillary made were what? It's amusing to listen to megyn kelly shill against trump. She was so damaged by him that she cuti her hair to look more "business like".
Love some of the post debate comments online: "Stronger To-get-her." "[Hillary] better put some ice on that." :D
ETA: I'll add my own: "The Shaming of the Shrew."
Pat
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5163537861001/mission-accomplished-krauthammer-trump-saved-his-campaign/
"Ooohhh, he said the 'P' word!"
Yet they posed with Pussy Riot:
turboprop
10-10-2016, 16:05
"Ooohhh, he said the 'P' word!"
Yet they posed with Pussy Riot:
You must not have daughters. Fuck trump.
You must not have daughters. Fuck trump.
I got three of them.
Sometimes when I'm working in my office and they have friends over in the living room it gets loud enough I can hear. Sounds more like a team room and some of the stuff could make you blush.
The only good thing is I have no idea who the latest group - hot guy, etc is that they're talking about.
Talk doesn't bother me much - and the girls are no push overs.
You must not have daughters. Fuck trump.
I was pointing out their hypocrisy.
Pat
Eff Millennials: This Generation Is Most Likely to Swear at Work
Well this survey popped up at the right time.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-10/eff-millennials-this-generation-is-most-likely-to-swear-at-work
"It's normal for millennials to say "s—" and "f—" at work, and new research finds that younger women are among the most likely demographic to drop the f-bomb in the office. ..."
Wow trump said some bad words? Maybe some misogynistic stuff too? I bet he's the first guy to ever do something like that.
Some bullshit talk from ten plus years ago is definitely more important than allowing hillary to appoint supreme Court justices and finish the job of giving us socialized medicine. Not to mention sell the office of the POTUS for oersonal.enrichment.
turboprop
10-10-2016, 18:42
I got three of them.
Sometimes when I'm working in my office and they have friends over in the living room it gets loud enough I can hear. Sounds more like a team room and some of the stuff could make you blush.
The only good thing is I have no idea who the latest group - hot guy, etc is that they're talking about.
Talk doesn't bother me much - and the girls are no push overs.
Mine are obviously younger. Still, if someone grabbed one of them, at any age, regardless of how rich he is, or what his "accomplishments" are, I would like to think he would never taste the silver spoon again, and the huffing and puffing would be exacerbated. Of course, they do/will understand that it is ok for them to cripple someone that grabs them like that, and I do see it as my job to ensure they are capable of that. :lifter
Hillary and her campaign were accurately described as a dumpster fire earlier, which could have been easily handled with almost any other Republican candidate.
But we got Trump... Beyond all the political BS, he just has man problems. A couple beat-downs in his formative years probably would have done him some good. Perhaps he could have learned some humility, discipline, maybe even gotten some heart. Had he served during his generation's war he surely would have been afforded those opportunities to learn as well. Unfortunately, he didn't and natural traits weren't enough to overcome his soft hands, baby Huey upbringing, and the Republican party has been left with a whining, 70-year old millennial.
Mine are obviously younger. Still, if someone grabbed one of them, at any age, regardless of how rich he is, or what his "accomplishments" are, I would like to think he would never taste the silver spoon again, and the huffing and puffing would be exacerbated. Of course, they do/will understand that it is ok for them to cripple someone that grabs them like that, and I do see it as my job to ensure they are capable of that. :lifter
Hillary and her campaign were accurately described as a dumpster fire earlier, which could have been easily handled with almost any other Republican candidate.
But we got Trump... Beyond all the political BS, he just has man problems. A couple beat-downs in his formative years probably would have done him some good. Perhaps he could have learned some humility, discipline, maybe even gotten some heart. Had he served during his generation's war he surely would have been afforded those opportunities to learn as well. Unfortunately, he didn't and natural traits weren't enough to overcome his soft hands, baby Huey upbringing, and the Republican party has been left with a whining, 70-year old millennial.
Too bad we didn't get a conservative stalwart like Paul Ryan or any of the other Republican hero's who want the status quo more than they care about preventing Hitlery from appointing
Supreme Court justices that will pave the way for the final assault on the 2A, privatized medicine, any any other thing you can imagine.
Too bad we didn't get a conservative stalwart like Paul Ryan or any of the other Republican hero's who want the status quo more than they care about preventing Hitlery from appointing
Supreme Court justices that will pave the way for the final assault on the 2A, privatized medicine, any any other thing you can imagine.
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan is a pussy who needs to lose at least his Speakership if not his job.
IMO, Trump's candidacy is now a greater threat to the 2A than what Clinton's critics think she might do.
Last night, and not for the first time, he took a blow torch to the Constitution. Today, he encouraged the "lock her up" chants. These choices, rather than holding to a consistent line of "Clinton will get her day in court as is her right," indicate an a la carte approach to the BoR.
The leaked Access Hollywood video, the comments on the Howard Stern Show, combined by the justifications offered by some of Trump's surrogates and supporters is sending a message to women and to girls: there is no separation between lewd talk and touching.
Some women will shrug it off as same shit different day. Others are going to reconsider their relationships with people who DGAF and/or cheer things on. They will ask themselves if they really feel safe in their own homes, with men who think pussy grabbing is okay; with men who have guns. Perception becomes reality, seeds of doubt bloom into flowers of suspicion.
These women will find ways to express their dissatisfaction. They will talk about sexual assault and about rape (this conversation has already started on Twitter), they will write, they will use the power of the purse to nix additional purchases of guns and ammunition, they will cast ballots, they will leave.
Conversations about more gun control will get increased traction as solidly red congressional districts start trending towards purple.
My $0.02/YMMV.
... Still, if someone grabbed one of them, at any age, regardless of how rich he is, or what his "accomplishments" are, I would like to think he would never taste the silver spoon again, and the huffing and puffing would be exacerbated. ...
So who did Trump grab? Oh, that's right, he didn't grab anybody.
...Last night, and not for the first time, he took a blow torch to the Constitution. ....
Sig, I'm disappointed in you. Aren't you the one who's always telling us not to take things out of context? To read or listen to the whole statement?
IMO, Trump's candidacy is now a greater threat to the 2A than what Clinton's critics think she might do.
YGBFSM.
Old Dog New Trick
10-10-2016, 23:23
IMO, Trump's candidacy is now a greater threat to the 2A than what Clinton's critics think she might do.
Last night, and not for the first time, he took a blow torch to the Constitution. Today, he encouraged the "lock her up" chants. These choices, rather than holding to a consistent line of "Clinton will get her day in court as is her right," indicate an a la carte approach to the BoR.
The leaked Access Hollywood video, the comments on the Howard Stern Show, combined by the justifications offered by some of Trump's surrogates and supporters is sending a message to women and to girls: there is no separation between lewd talk and touching.
Some women will shrug it off as same shit different day. Others are going to reconsider their relationships with people who DGAF and/or cheer things on. They will ask themselves if they really feel safe in their own homes, with men who think pussy grabbing is okay; with men who have guns. Perception becomes reality, seeds of doubt bloom into flowers of suspicion.
These women will find ways to express their dissatisfaction. They will talk about sexual assault and about rape (this conversation has already started on Twitter), they will write, they will use the power of the purse to nix additional purchases of guns and ammunition, they will cast ballots, they will leave.
Conversations about more gun control will get increased traction as solidly red congressional districts start trending towards purple.
My $0.02/YMMV.
I'll have whatever he's smoking.
Huh, umm Sigaba, the current trend is more women than men are buying guns, attending training and applying for CCW than ever before. If they "fear misogynistic men" enough to change behavior, maybe, they will begin to believe they are ready to fight for the right to be able to.
But, I'm guessing you never hung out in places where a woman was just as likely or even more prone to conduct a package check before taking the prize home at closing time.
If Miley Cyrus twerking on Robin Thick during the MTV Music Awards while banging herself with an oversized foam finger makes you cringe and look for the remote. Than you maybe missing out on who and what 'persona' and 'environment' in which this lewd and socially unacceptable conversation took place between Trump and Bush.
Trump may be the biggest a$$hole and loud mouth in the world but his kids turned out alright and he's done well for himself - brand name and all.
Maybe, just maybe this is all a lot about nothing and the real Donald Trump is a fine gentleman who has learned that good guys never win. When in Hollywood or billion dollar boardrooms - tenacious, cutthroat, and over the top bragging of ones accomplishments are better served raw and unforgiving.
Don't know...(I personally don't like the man but I've never sat at his table for dinner.)
TXGringo
10-11-2016, 00:01
They will ask themselves if they really feel safe in their own homes, with men who think pussy grabbing is okay; with men who have guns. Perception becomes reality, seeds of doubt bloom into flowers of suspicion....
... they will use the power of the purse to nix additional purchases of guns and ammunition...
Conversations about more gun control will get increased traction as solidly red congressional districts start trending towards purple.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2814691
"Data for seven states show a general upward trend in the percentage of permit
holders who are women.
■ Arizona: the percentage of permit holders who are women rose from 20.7%
in 2012 to 21.2% in 2016
■ Florida: from 18% in May 2012 to 24.1% in May 2016.
■ Indiana: from 18.0% in June 2012 to 22.7% in March 2015.
■ Louisiana: from 18.3% in 2009 to 24.8% in 2014.
■ North Carolina: from 21.3% in June 2012 to 27.5% in March 2015
■ North Dakota: from 11.2% in 2010 to 24.9% in 2014.
■ Tennessee: from 23.3% in 2008 to 31.2% in 2016.
■ Texas: from 17.26 in 2004 to 25.8% in 2015.
■ Washington State: between 2005 and 2014, “the growth rate for women
getting new permits [was] twice as fast as that of men.”6
In eight states where we have data by gender, since 2012 the number of permits
has increased by 161% for women and by 85% for men."
I think you aren't giving women enough credit.
■ Arizona: the percentage of permit holders who are women rose from 20.7%
in 2012 to 21.2% in 2016
AZ is a Constitutional Carry state so no permit is necessary. This number is far higher. My wife is a coach at a women only shooting club and every class is full with a waiting list.
Pat
Divemaster
10-11-2016, 01:12
Okay, so everyone (nearly) who believed in Trump before the tape still believes in him after Debate Part Deaux. Lovely. Did he win over any (much less enough) undecideds or Democrats? Otherwise, ready my gulag.
Mustang Man
10-11-2016, 12:09
Mr. Trump did a great service whether he wins or loses in the end. He has forever changed the game, truly remarkable for someone who has never even played the game in the first place.
At this point it isn't even about winning voters for him, he is going to go down fighting being himself and that's okay with me. He tried the whole presidential tone in the first debate, got controlled and mopped by Hillary. Last debate I got to see the Trump I know and love whoop her ass.
He is the true anti establishment, someone who never spent a single day in politics unlike Cruz & Rubio. I prefer to see him go down fighting not putting the presidential mask.
Anyone that takes voting seriously and still remains "undecided", is likely keeping their loyalties secret.
bblhead672
10-11-2016, 12:46
Witcherly Clinton may win, but the country she inherits from Hussein Obama may not be the one she thinks she is getting. The peasants and deplorables just might not be in the mood.
Now off to buy more ammo.
Mr. Trump did a great service whether he wins or loses in the end. He has forever changed the game, truly remarkable for someone who has never even played the game in the first place.
At this point it isn't even about winning voters for him, he is going to go down fighting being himself and that's okay with me. He tried the whole presidential tone in the first debate, got controlled and mopped by Hillary. Last debate I got to see the Trump I know and love whoop her ass.
He is the true anti establishment, someone who never spent a single day in politics unlike Cruz & Rubio. I prefer to see him go down fighting not putting the presidential mask.
Anyone that takes voting seriously and still remains "undecided", is likely keeping their loyalties secret.
I'm afraid the price that we will pay will be 4 more years of a D administration and having to listen/look at the Hildabeast. Oh, and a left(er)-shifted SCOTUS for decades to come.
We will get the government that we deserve. It will happen eventually anyway. It might as well be now.
Badger52
10-11-2016, 13:13
I'm afraid the price that we will pay will be 4 more years of a D administration and having to listen/look at the Hildabeast. Oh, and a left(er)-shifted SCOTUS for decades to come.
We will get the government that we deserve. It will happen eventually anyway. It might as well be now.I believe she also will be a further (yes, it's possible) de-stabilizing influence OCONUS. The only deal she's capable of cutting with anyone is "show me the record of your wire transfers to the Foundation." Other than that, she is clearly on the road to demonize anyone not playing her game, or bowing/curtsying sufficiently to Her Royal Majesty. (had to throw up a little to type that) She's simply dangerous in my opinion.
Old Dog New Trick
10-11-2016, 13:42
As a side note post debate:
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Warren Buffett calls Trump's bluff, releases his tax returns
http://usat.ly/2ekn1x6
Now, I must be doing something wrong because I have consistently paid a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett for years. And I only make about ~1% of his annual income.
I figured his to be ~16% (15.995...%) but maybe I flunked math 97.
I also don't remember needing to do federal tax returns at 13, my paper route didn't pay that much.
ddoering
10-11-2016, 13:45
I'm afraid the price that we will pay will be 4 more years of a D administration and having to listen/look at the Hildabeast. Oh, and a left(er)-shifted SCOTUS for decades to come.
We will get the government that we deserve. It will happen eventually anyway. It might as well be now.
Maybe she will be more like JFK. One can hope.
GratefulCitizen
10-11-2016, 13:56
Mr. Trump did a great service whether he wins or loses in the end. He has forever changed the game, truly remarkable for someone who has never even played the game in the first place.
At this point it isn't even about winning voters for him, he is going to go down fighting being himself and that's okay with me. He tried the whole presidential tone in the first debate, got controlled and mopped by Hillary. Last debate I got to see the Trump I know and love whoop her ass.
He is the true anti establishment, someone who never spent a single day in politics unlike Cruz & Rubio. I prefer to see him go down fighting not putting the presidential mask.
Anyone that takes voting seriously and still remains "undecided", is likely keeping their loyalties secret.
Trump will continue to hammer hillary through the next debate.
After that, he will check his internal polls.
If his internal polls show he should win, but public polls paint another picture, the message will change.
He will then start hammering on voter/electoral fraud.
He will go scorched Earth and dare them to cheat the system.
If they do, and succeed, the nation will be ungovernable.
For better or worse, he's all in, and the rest of the nation (and world) are along for the ride.
Old Dog New Trick
10-11-2016, 14:01
Okay, so everyone (nearly) who believed in Trump before the tape still believes in him after Debate Part Deaux. Lovely. Did he win over any (much less enough) undecideds or Democrats? Otherwise, ready my gulag.
For the record - I don't believe in him. Don't like the man or his ego. And, only hope that while he burns Washington D.C., to the ground in a scorched earth policy that he does less damage to the nation than HRC is capable of doing to the whole of the United States of America - if she wins.
I'm simply voting for the next (upto) three Supreme Court Justices. That is all.
In the next five and half to eight years I will be voting with my feet. Until then I still have a job and a family to protect and provide for. If the horizon after December looks more like Deepwater Horizon I may elect to vote with my feet much, much sooner than that. Sawasdee Thailand and vaya con dios America.
Old Dog New Trick
10-11-2016, 14:04
Maybe she will be more like JFK. One can hope.
Dead or another fling with Fabio?
RIP Jack.
Trump is a self promoting asshole...but he ain't Hillary.
He is flawed and he would undoubtably be a flawed President...but he ain't Hillary.
When Hillary is elected and the Supreme Court pulls hard left and taxes and deficits increase, ammo is tough to find or taxed to death or both. When you are made to turn over your little collection or be made a felon overnight. When borders are wide open and we are overwhelmed like Germany and France...when college is "free" for everyone...those who didn't vote for that asshole Trump can be happy with their decision...I do wonder if they will remain as cocksure of that decision though?
Words Versus Deeds
Thomas SowellThomas Sowell|Posted: Oct 11, 2016 12:01 AM
TownHall
Donald Trump's gutter talk about women shows yet again that he is bad news. The problem is that Hillary Clinton is far worse.
Trump's talk is indefensible. But Hillary Clinton's actions as Secretary of State, carrying out the Obama administration's foreign policies, have cost many lives in many places, including the American ambassador and others killed in Benghazi.
Women have a right to be offended by Trump's words. But women have suffered a far worse fate from Secretary Clinton's and President Obama's actions. Pulling American troops out of Iraq, despite military advice to the contrary, led to the sudden rise of ISIS and their seizing of many women and young girls as sex slaves.
A message from one of these women urged the bombing of ISIS. She said she would rather be dead than live the life of a sex slave. Some women who tried to commit suicide and failed have been tortured for trying.
Meanwhile, President Obama tried to downplay ISIS with flippant words, by calling them the junior varsity. His half-hearted, foot-dragging military response has allowed ISIS to parade before the world as triumphant conquerors, appealing to disgruntled people in Western countries to carry out terrorist attacks in support of their cause.
That is a lot worse than some stupid and gross words by Donald Trump, which even he has had to repudiate. Make no mistake about it. Neither party has a good candidate for President. The choice is between bad and disastrous.
Are women more in danger from Trump's words or Hillary's actions? Are Americans in general more in danger from Trump's shallowness on issues or Hillary's ruthless grabs for money and power -- a track record that goes all the way back to the days when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas?
Mrs. Clinton's own announced agenda attacks the very foundation of American Constitutional government, on which Americans' own freedom depends. She has already said that she will appoint Supreme Court justices who will specifically overturn a recent Supreme Court decision, "Citizens United versus FEC."
That decision said that both corporations and labor unions have freedom of speech, including the right to contribute money toward political campaigns.
Hillary Clinton's determination to pick judicial appointees on the basis of their willingness to overturn that decision is a more brazen extension of the political left's other attempts to stifle the free speech of those who oppose their agenda.
Demands that various advocacy organizations reveal the names of all their donors are an obvious attempt to scare off those donors, with harassment by everyone from vandals to rioters to the Internal Revenue Service and other government bureaucrats.
Without the right to free speech, none of the other rights is safe. Government officials can get away with all sorts of abuses, if others are not free to talk about those abuses.
Despite Hillary Clinton's claims to be a champion for black people, her political agenda threatens the education of black children, the employment of black adults and the physical safety of black communities.
Mrs. Clinton is on the side of the teachers' unions that want to stop the expansion of charter schools, even though these are among the very few places where black children can get a quality education to prepare them for a better future. Here, as with other issues, her public statements are contradicted by her actions.
No law has done more damage to the employment prospects of young blacks than the federal minimum wage law. But nothing is easier, or more popular, than for some politician to raise the minimum wage -- despite the fact that unemployment rates among black young people have skyrocketed to several times what they were before.
You don't get any wage at all when you are unemployed. And if you are young and unemployed, you don't get any job experience to help you rise up the ladder, when you don't get on the ladder.
As for safety in the black community, Hillary Clinton has allied herself with those who demonize the police. The net result has been a sharp increase in the number of blacks killed by other blacks, as criminal elements take control of the streets when the police are not allowed to.
Do you choose a President by talk -- or by actions and consequences?
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/10/11/words-versus-deeds-n2230230?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=
tonyz, great post, he's preaching to the choir here. Come election I'll have my fingers crossed.
"The choice is between bad and disastrous."
Thomas Sowell
We will get the government that we deserve.
It's hard to say that we deserve it when it's forced on us as this hidden video shows. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0)
Pat
WarriorDiplomat
10-11-2016, 18:03
Trump is a self promoting asshole...but he ain't Hillary.
He is flawed and he would undoubtably be a flawed President...but he ain't Hillary.
When Hillary is elected and the Supreme Court pulls hard left and taxes and deficits increase, ammo is tough to find or taxed to death or both. When you are made to turn over your little collection or be made a felon overnight. When borders are wide open and we are overwhelmed like Germany and France...when college is "free" for everyone...those who didn't vote for that asshole Trump can be happy with their decision...I do wonder if they will remain as cocksure of that decision though?
Words Versus Deeds
Thomas SowellThomas Sowell|Posted: Oct 11, 2016 12:01 AM
TownHall
Donald Trump's gutter talk about women shows yet again that he is bad news. The problem is that Hillary Clinton is far worse.
Trump's talk is indefensible. But Hillary Clinton's actions as Secretary of State, carrying out the Obama administration's foreign policies, have cost many lives in many places, including the American ambassador and others killed in Benghazi.
Women have a right to be offended by Trump's words. But women have suffered a far worse fate from Secretary Clinton's and President Obama's actions. Pulling American troops out of Iraq, despite military advice to the contrary, led to the sudden rise of ISIS and their seizing of many women and young girls as sex slaves.
A message from one of these women urged the bombing of ISIS. She said she would rather be dead than live the life of a sex slave. Some women who tried to commit suicide and failed have been tortured for trying.
Meanwhile, President Obama tried to downplay ISIS with flippant words, by calling them the junior varsity. His half-hearted, foot-dragging military response has allowed ISIS to parade before the world as triumphant conquerors, appealing to disgruntled people in Western countries to carry out terrorist attacks in support of their cause.
That is a lot worse than some stupid and gross words by Donald Trump, which even he has had to repudiate. Make no mistake about it. Neither party has a good candidate for President. The choice is between bad and disastrous.
Are women more in danger from Trump's words or Hillary's actions? Are Americans in general more in danger from Trump's shallowness on issues or Hillary's ruthless grabs for money and power -- a track record that goes all the way back to the days when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas?
Mrs. Clinton's own announced agenda attacks the very foundation of American Constitutional government, on which Americans' own freedom depends. She has already said that she will appoint Supreme Court justices who will specifically overturn a recent Supreme Court decision, "Citizens United versus FEC."
That decision said that both corporations and labor unions have freedom of speech, including the right to contribute money toward political campaigns.
Hillary Clinton's determination to pick judicial appointees on the basis of their willingness to overturn that decision is a more brazen extension of the political left's other attempts to stifle the free speech of those who oppose their agenda.
Demands that various advocacy organizations reveal the names of all their donors are an obvious attempt to scare off those donors, with harassment by everyone from vandals to rioters to the Internal Revenue Service and other government bureaucrats.
Without the right to free speech, none of the other rights is safe. Government officials can get away with all sorts of abuses, if others are not free to talk about those abuses.
Despite Hillary Clinton's claims to be a champion for black people, her political agenda threatens the education of black children, the employment of black adults and the physical safety of black communities.
Mrs. Clinton is on the side of the teachers' unions that want to stop the expansion of charter schools, even though these are among the very few places where black children can get a quality education to prepare them for a better future. Here, as with other issues, her public statements are contradicted by her actions.
No law has done more damage to the employment prospects of young blacks than the federal minimum wage law. But nothing is easier, or more popular, than for some politician to raise the minimum wage -- despite the fact that unemployment rates among black young people have skyrocketed to several times what they were before.
You don't get any wage at all when you are unemployed. And if you are young and unemployed, you don't get any job experience to help you rise up the ladder, when you don't get on the ladder.
As for safety in the black community, Hillary Clinton has allied herself with those who demonize the police. The net result has been a sharp increase in the number of blacks killed by other blacks, as criminal elements take control of the streets when the police are not allowed to.
Do you choose a President by talk -- or by actions and consequences?
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/10/11/words-versus-deeds-n2230230?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=
I am not a fan of Trump per sey but as you said he ain't Hillary
You're damn right he ain't and I feel many forget that Hillary is a lifetime politician a long experienced POS who has spent 40 years learning the dirty disgusting art of being a slimy politician through study and experience,she stands for nothing except Clinton and any special interest that benefits her.
Trump on the other hand is not a seasoned politician who has spent the last 40 years building an empire he last and rebuilt. Trump is a businessman who has built a brand that has proven itself successful at least 4.5 Billion worth of success. With anyone else it is more of the same at least with Trump an outsider with business savvy change is probable. Have we ever seen a serious candidate scare both sides of the isle like this??? He isn't beyond reproach but what can the insiders offer him as influential leverage??
Trumps presence alone has made the minimal differences between the left and the rights objectives as being no different. He is the spoiler that has exposed the sheer amount of corruption by simply being aggressive. The inner profitable politics of Washington appears to be jeopardized with Trump and this is why he is the better choice. Lets remember he has not spent a career deceiving the public in the way Hillary has and that is what should make him the favored choice of the two.
Trumps acumen with people is underestimated severely.
I am not a fan of Trump per sey but as you said he ain't Hillary
You're damn right he ain't and I feel many forget that Hillary is a lifetime politician a long experienced POS who has spent 40 years learning the dirty disgusting art of being a slimy politician through study and experience,she stands for nothing except Clinton and any special interest that benefits her.
Trump on the other hand is not a seasoned politician who has spent the last 40 years building an empire he last and rebuilt. Trump is a businessman who has built a brand that has proven itself successful at least 4.5 Billion worth of success. With anyone else it is more of the same at least with Trump an outsider with business savvy change is probable. Have we ever seen a serious candidate scare both sides of the isle like this??? He isn't beyond reproach but what can the insiders offer him as influential leverage??
Trumps presence alone has made the minimal differences between the left and the rights objectives as being no different. He is the spoiler that has exposed the sheer amount of corruption by simply being aggressive. The inner profitable politics of Washington appears to be jeopardized with Trump and this is why he is the better choice. Lets remember he has not spent a career deceiving the public in the way Hillary has and that is what should make him the favored choice of the two.
Trumps acumen with people is underestimated severely.
Very well said.
The fact that "elites" in both major parties oppose him is enlightening. The two major political parties have morphed into a monolith - a monolith that no longer serves the people.
Win or loose, Trump's candidacy has exposed many "elites" for the spineless, corrupt politicians that they are. Most folks already know what Trump is - and some vulgar talk from over a decade ago should not come as a great shock. There's probably more. But, Trump threatens them (both political parties) and all their cozy relationships. Hillary has been an integral part of those duplicitous groups - for decades.
Make no mistake, Trump will need extensive guidance and counsel should he pull this thing out. And, he better pull this out, the next IRS audit of all audits is being planned for him as we speak...that's just how things currently work in DC...and just one of the many reasons the people need an outsider - and do not need a career politician who left her people out to dry when they needed her most...
Maybe she will be more like JFK. One can hope.
Dead?
It's hard to say that we deserve it when it's forced on us as this hidden video shows. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0)
Pat
Pat,
We will get HRC, I'm afraid, and all that it means and if we do we collectively we deserve it. There is no shortage of information to counteract the propaganda. No coercion to prevent taking action to ensure the greater good even if that means accepting some things that one doesn't like.
Has anyone considered that the ruling elite, of both parties, united to prevent an insurgent candidate from establishing a foothold, a populace movement, which would undermine their hold and lessen the boot heel pressure on our necks.
imvho, the lack of support for Trump, as the nominee, has always been questionable, and tied to the illusion of choice, which is of paramount importance to, and in, a politically corrupt decaying system.
The whole idea that he is unacceptable is comparable and somewhat akind to Sigba convoluted argument of supporting HRC to save the 2A, as A Trump win would united women to oppose anything he supported, like go purple, go long.
Its all bullshit, the press, the supposed political freedom, the fact that we actually believe in the Constitution is laughable to these elites. We spill our blood and bury our brothers for this shit?
Fuck it, we are shooting in the wrong direction!
Has anyone considered that the ruling elite, of both parties, united to prevent an insurgent candidate from establishing a foothold, a populace movement, which would undermine their hold and lessen the boot heel pressure on our necks.
imvho, the lack of support for Trump, as the nominee, has always been questionable, and tied to the illusion of choice, which is of paramount importance to, and in, a politically corrupt decaying system.
The whole idea that he is unacceptable is comparable and somewhat akind to Sigba convoluted argument of supporting HRC to save the 2A, as A Trump win would united women to oppose anything he supported, like go purple, go long.
Its all bullshit, the press, the supposed political freedom, the fact that we actually believe in the Constitution is laughable to these elites. We spill our blood and bury our brothers for this shit?
Fuck it, we are shooting in the wrong direction!
Of course. Trump is and always was the 3rd party candidate Co opting the Repub party apparatus. Romney, McCain, Ryan, Bushes, the MSM...fuck them all. They are in effect voting for Hillary and killing the best chance that we have to turn this country around before the rabid liberals drive us down even farther. Fuck it. If not elected, I hope Trump continues to ferment discontent. Let's do it. Give the Democrats the whole government. Maybe we are like an alcoholic that needs to either hit rock bottom or die. We are not quite there yet.
Badger52
10-11-2016, 21:10
Fuck it, we are shooting in the wrong direction!
:cool:
GratefulCitizen
10-12-2016, 02:52
But, I'm guessing you never hung out in places where a woman was just as likely or even more prone to conduct a package check before taking the prize home at closing time.
Laughed pretty hard when I read that.
Apparently hasn't been around many drunk, ovulating women in their mid-20s.
In my observation and experience, women are worse than men, they're just more picky about their targets.
Much like powerful men feel entitled, hot women will do whatever they think they can get away with doing.
Golf1echo
10-12-2016, 09:31
Well the time is here, ballots go out next Monday here. So who's transporting a neighbor to the polling booth, who's taking time with an elderly person across the street to go over the ballot and facilitate their needs, who's manning a station, who's looking to register some late voters.......if it just your vote your concerned about you can bet the opposition is already rolling out!
Never Hiliar
ddoering
10-12-2016, 11:59
Very well said.
The fact that "elites" in both major parties oppose him is enlightening. The two major political parties have morphed into a monolith - a monolith that no longer serves the people.
Our political system is like the WWF. In front of the camera there are good guys and bad guys fighting but at the end of the day they all meet at the same bar and laugh at the ridiculous shit they pulled on us and then map out the next days drama on a bar napkin, laughing all the time.
Trump can't say pussy but this is OK: Obama showing off his erection to female reporters. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ) And it was widely reported at the time!
Pat
Old Dog New Trick
10-12-2016, 13:31
Read on another forum a post that sums up what I've been thinking the last few days...
With Paul Ryan's statement of non-support and the other 25% of Republican representatives in congress withdrawing support for Trump in the general election, this all but cements a win in the EC for HRC and her acquisition of the White House for a third time and certainly a fourth tour of the Oval Office. Because - your vote depending on what social enclave of free shit for me but not for thee you live in, this lack of unity or appearance of voting with the enemy to defeat a person at the cost of the cause - does not count. A handful of states, each with more voting power than all the other states combined, will decide who will take control of the presidency come January. And they not only want free shit, they can't function without free shit from the rest of the country.
I (and I hope all party faithful conservatives) will never vote for another Republican 'in name only' member at any level of state or federal government. I say let the party fall on their hypocritical sword and fail. Let the Democrats have total control of all three branches of the government. The country and the Republic have died a long time ago already. The last eight (err, 25+) years have only accelerated the process. It's time to put a fork in it and see if there is still enough blood to feed the tree.
If after one, two, four or eight years we are not fighting a revolution to take her back and restore the ideas many of our countrymen and founders fought and died for...then it's been a good run - Two hundred forty years to fu*k up individual freedom from oppression and freedom from tyranny.
I'm reminded of a famous quote by a president who delivered one of the great speeches in our history. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." (Theodor "Teddy" Roosevelt)
^^^this is what Trump has become...the man in the arena.
I hope I'm wrong! I hope the silent majority come out and vote and vote in droves for an overwhelming win for one or the other. Then we can settle the division in the country and move forward or not move at all.
bblhead672
10-12-2016, 13:48
Read on another forum a post that sums up what I've been thinking the last few days...
With Paul Ryan's statement of non-support and the other 25% of Republican representatives in congress withdrawing support for Trump in the general election, this all but cements a win in the EC for HRC and her acquisition of the White House for a third time and certainly a fourth tour of the Oval Office. Because - your vote depending on what social enclave of free shit for me but not for thee you live in, this lack of unity or appearance of voting with the enemy to defeat a person at the cost of the cause - does not count. A handful of states, each with more voting power than all the other states combined, will decide who will take control of the presidency come January. And they not only want free shit, they can't function without free shit from the rest of the country.
I (and I hope all party faithful conservatives) will never vote for another Republican 'in name only' member at any level of state or federal government. I say let the party fall on their hypocritical sword and fail. Let the Democrats have total control of all three branches of the government. The country and the Republic have died a long time ago already. The last eight (err, 25+) years have only accelerated the process. It's time to put a fork in it and see if there is still enough blood to feed the tree.
If after one, two, four or eight years we are not fighting a revolution to take her back and restore the ideas many of our countrymen and founders fought and died for...then it's been a good run - Two hundred forty years to fu*k up individual freedom from oppression and freedom from tyranny.
I'm reminded of a famous quote by a president who delivered one of the great speeches in our history. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." (Theodor "Teddy" Roosevelt)
^^^this is what Trump has become...the man in the arena.
I hope I'm wrong! I hope the silent majority come out and vote and vote in droves for an overwhelming win for one or the other. Then we can settle the division in the country and move forward or not move at all.
I've been thinking about this phrase "RINO" a great deal lately, and I have concluded that this term "Republican in name only" may actually apply more to like minded individuals such as those on this forum than it does to the Republicans in elected offices. What I mean by this is that the Republican Party has changed, the Party's values no longer resemble those of past years. The Republican office holders appear to be more interested in status quo and remaining in office than the Constitution and the liberties of the deplorables and rednecks (in case you missed it Bill Clinton has now referred to Trump supporters as rednecks). Republican Party and I no longer hold dear the same American values and rights as we used to. I haven't changed, so I am led to conclude that the Republican Party has become something different. Thus, I am now "Republican in name only" as I vote Republican but do not see eye to eye with the establishment Republicans who look down upon me from their lofty positions of power. And the only reason I vote Republican is because at this time the "R" candidates are the only ones who stand a chance to be elected against the "D" candidates whom I abhor.
mark46th
10-12-2016, 17:42
This election is all about the Supreme Court. With Hillary, we know we will get more liberal justices with a leberal agenda and no consideration for the Constitution, only for their cause. With Trump we at least have a chance to maintain a conservative court.
Consider this scenario-
Hillary gets elected president and nominates Barrak Hussein Obama as a justice of the Supreme Court. If you thought the last eight years have been dismal, wait until Obama becomes the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.
This election is all about the Supreme Court. With Hillary, we know we will get more liberal justices with a leberal agenda and no consideration for the Constitution, only for their cause. With Trump we at least have a chance to maintain a conservative court.
Consider this scenario-
Hillary gets elected president and nominates Barrak Hussein Obama as a justice of the Supreme Court. If you thought the last eight years have been dismal, wait until Obama becomes the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.
Trump needs to remind d people of that. He is not doing it.
Just to keep it all in perspective, they do not give a rats ass about the foundation, constitutional structure of the United States of America, or the people we love.
WarriorDiplomat
10-12-2016, 20:15
Read on another forum a post that sums up what I've been thinking the last few days...
With Paul Ryan's statement of non-support and the other 25% of Republican representatives in congress withdrawing support for Trump in the general election, this all but cements a win in the EC for HRC and her acquisition of the White House for a third time and certainly a fourth tour of the Oval Office. Because - your vote depending on what social enclave of free shit for me but not for thee you live in, this lack of unity or appearance of voting with the enemy to defeat a person at the cost of the cause - does not count. A handful of states, each with more voting power than all the other states combined, will decide who will take control of the presidency come January. And they not only want free shit, they can't function without free shit from the rest of the country.
I (and I hope all party faithful conservatives) will never vote for another Republican 'in name only' member at any level of state or federal government. I say let the party fall on their hypocritical sword and fail. Let the Democrats have total control of all three branches of the government. The country and the Republic have died a long time ago already. The last eight (err, 25+) years have only accelerated the process. It's time to put a fork in it and see if there is still enough blood to feed the tree.
If after one, two, four or eight years we are not fighting a revolution to take her back and restore the ideas many of our countrymen and founders fought and died for...then it's been a good run - Two hundred forty years to fu*k up individual freedom from oppression and freedom from tyranny.
I'm reminded of a famous quote by a president who delivered one of the great speeches in our history. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." (Theodor "Teddy" Roosevelt)
^^^this is what Trump has become...the man in the arena.
I hope I'm wrong! I hope the silent majority come out and vote and vote in droves for an overwhelming win for one or the other. Then we can settle the division in the country and move forward or not move at all.
I for one say fuck the republican party whether Trump wins or not the Reps have been exposed for the useless losers they have become time for conservatives to kill the party. Paul Ryan is as weak as Boehner was, the question conservatives should be asking is why are they? what is in it for them to not uphold their very own campaign promises, the former Presidents that claim to be voting for Hillary are IMO afraid of what Trump will expose their is something their that scares them.
As far as this election, the hype from the liberal media is or at least appears to be working in the minds of conservatives who seem to think that HRC has all but won.....that is what they want I don't buy it however many conservatives have started to accept it. Americans are so unaccustomed to hearing a candidate as unpolished as Trump they are afraid on top of that as informed as people are they are still suckers for propaganda.
We need to work to eliminate the vast support network the Republicans have, this huge network is the only thing that keeps a third party from being seriously considered until now. And yes Trump is in reality a third party
Don't buy the hype Trump is doing very well which says alot about the state this country is in.
Our political system is like the WWF. In front of the camera there are good guys and bad guys fighting but at the end of the day they all meet at the same bar and laugh at the ridiculous shit they pulled on us and then map out the next days drama on a bar napkin, laughing all the time.
Yup. Add most of the press and it seems some debate moderators to the "happy hour."
ETA: Add Google, Facebook and most Universities to the party. Consitution loving citizens must unite - Trump could be a start. Either that or get overwhelmed and become Europe and we all see how that is working out. Trump provides a potential Brexit moment for the USA. It might not be pretty but the Statists get blunted.
Lol, Ann Coulter pulling no punches on the media and "elite" hypocrisy. Complete article at link below.
Ann Coulter: Casting Call for Another Anita Hill
Breitbart
Donald Trump is the only hope to save America, so the media have gone to war to stop him.
They don’t care about being exposed as lying, hypocritical swine — I’d describe them more fully, but it would require locker room talk. They’ll win the public back later. Right now, all that matters is stopping Trump.
The same media that are pretending to consider the use of a bad word equivalent to rape don’t give a fig about real rape, real sexual assault, real whoring, even real homicide, depending on who did it.
JFK was an STD-infected drug addict who cavorted with whores at the White House, but the media ferociously hid all this from the public, publishing fairy-tale versions of his presidency as “Camelot.”
And what happened to the 11-year rule? Trump said the word “p*ssy” 11 years ago, in a secretly recorded conversation. Eleven years before Sen. Teddy Kennedy ran for president, he killed a girl — but he ran, not only without apology, but, indeed, as the Conscience of the Democratic Party.
Throughout 2009, good, decent Americans who happened to oppose Obamacare were called the name of a gay sex act hundreds of times on TV — and that was just on MSNBC. CNN’s Anderson Cooper made the reference explicit when he giggled, “It’s hard to talk when you’re tea-bagging.
Among the people using this sexual slur were distinguished members of Congress such as U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez and Rep. Barney Frank. Were they fit to hold office?
Going way, way, way back to a few weeks ago, the same media gasping in horror at “p*ssy” sure didn’t mind my being called a c*nt repeatedly on a Comedy Central broadcast. And when I say “didn’t mind,” I mean they thought it was awesome.
But saying “p*ssy” 11 years ago is over the line.
Cut the crap, media.
A few years ago, Sen. Al Franken joked on a Comedy Central roast about producer Rob Reiner butt-f*cking his children. Does Hillary think he’s fit to be a U.S. senator? Is he fit enough for the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, but not the Senate Finance Committee?
None of these were leaks of secretly recorded conversations — considered a hanging offense in the Clinton years. These vulgarities were intentionally, publicly broadcast by the same media that, today, pretend to need smelling salts after hearing “p*ssy.”
At least this new puritanical standard explains why rappers like Jay Z are banned from the White House. Wait — what?
Perhaps realizing their Victorian virgin act wasn’t cutting it, the media turned to their Pretend We Don’t Understand English method of argument, and claimed that Trump was confessing to having committed a “sexual assault”!
Trump said: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do any of that. (Laughter.)” Journalists turned this into “sexual assault” by being literal on the “grab” part, non-figurative on the “you” part — and on the “they let you do it” part? Stone, cold deaf.
If “they let you do it,” it’s not an assault.
Like most of Trump’s bragging, his loutish boast was not intended to be taken seriously, nor was it. Far from whipping out his pencil and carefully taking notes, “Access Hollywood”‘s Billy Bush laughed. The gist of what Trump was saying is that — hold onto your hats! — women like to sleep with celebrities! I don’t know if you’ve heard that before.
At least we’re back to the media pretending to care about sexual assault — until further notice.
This is the same media that ran interference for an actual sexual predator in the White House, ignoring Bill Clinton’s serial pants-dropping, groping and raping for nearly a decade, while gleefully vilifying his accusers, and would have been happy to continue if Bill Richardson had become president. Clinton talking about p*ssy was one of his more dignified moments, proudly attested to by his friend Vernon Jordan in a nationally broadcast interview with Mike Wallace.
In the pages of The New York Times, feminist icon Gloria Steinem announced the “one-free grope” rule, specially developed for the Clinton era.
Former Time magazine correspondent Nina Burleigh said of Clinton, “I would be happy to give him a bl*w job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal.”
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/10/12/ann-coulter-casting-call-another-anita-hill/
Yup. Add most of the press and it seems some debate moderators to the "happy hour."
ETA: Add Google, Facebook and most Universities to the party. Consitution loving citizens must unite - Trump could be a start. Either that or get overwhelmed and become Europe and we all see how that is working out. Trump provides a potential Brexit moment for the USA. It might not be pretty but the Statists get blunted.
Brother, I hate to say it..........I will be voting for him............but Trump is damage control. Nothing more, nothing less.
The constitution and Trump have little in common. The coup of the left has already invaded the military, encompassing our most senior leaders and it will take something drastic to change that.
Not a guy that believes men should be allowed to use womens bathrooms if the "self identify". All his issues aside, they are still.........in a general sense.........peanuts compared to the Clinton crime family. However as we have seen, the American people don't care. Federalism is the only key to restoring our society to the greatness that it once was regarded.
The majority of people that vote left generally contribute nothing to the basic hierarchy of needs to the American citizen. Living in a concrete jungle, stacked on top of one and other, whilst waiting in traffic, working in the IT field does little for the corn farmer in Iowa on a personal level. On the flip side..........the corn farmer is absolutely essential to ALL Americans, rural and urban.
Which is why I firmly believe that the encroachment of the EPA on individuals rights over the last 8 years is a mechanism to enable government control over all of the basic human needs within this country.
Further dependence breeds further compliance.
The Government has become a self licking ice cream cone that justifies its own existence. We will NEVER, I repeat NEVER take the "consent of the governed" power back without a grassroots movement.
A nationalist/populist movement is not a grassroots movement.
Brother, I hate to say it..........We will NEVER, I repeat NEVER take the "consent of the governed" power back without a grassroots movement.
A nationalist/populist movement is not a grassroots movement.
I think only a revolution will take it back now. Too many entitlements. That is the real opiate of the masses. And as long as entitlements flow, you can forget about any revolution .
Badger52
10-13-2016, 04:11
Which is why I firmly believe that the encroachment of the EPA on individuals rights over the last 8 years is a mechanism to enable government control over all of the basic human needs within this country.
Further dependence breeds further compliance.
Quite correct. I'll submit the EPA's actions as just one of many. The change must begin locally. It starts with municipalities conducting themselves in ways that allow them to not accept the strings that come along with the state's hand-out. It follows with states pushing back against the Fed on the same grounds, as the Fed tries to subvert their citizens with pretty trinkets. It begins when the Fed alphabet shows up to fence off some more land or enforce some new production-crippling regulation & the people say "No" and stand there with the means to back it up (and I don't mean some out-of-state hijackers who couldn't mission-plan a trip to the grocery). At the same time they have to be fostering an intelligent & articulate public face of their cause that shows why Fed actions are to their detriment - consequences.
I don't know how she's doing but there is a young lady running for re-election (in Utah if i recall) who I saw debate her Dem challenger the other day. Decent looking, extremely articulate, good grasp of issues and what happens as a result of Fed meddling. The subject was mandatory big increase on minimum-wage and she was able to run the thing A-to-Z (in less than a minute) in such a way that her opponent was bled out before he knew he'd been cut. Only at the end before going to cut the grass did it occur to me that she's black. So it can happen. However, it is unlikely to happen in the concrete & glass hives, which is why efforts to garner votes are focused on huge population-centers - the corner of the aquarium where the guppies gather.
Trump is a step, a statement, nothing more. The Brexit vote didn't suddenly make all the problems the EU created go away for the people in the UK. But, as their new PM said 10 days or so ago, at least "decisions that affect the British people will be made, not in Brussels, but in Westminster."
Never Hillary - I don't think more Syrias or Ukrainian coups are a healthy thing. She believes her coronation as queen is her due; I'd like to see her divested of that attitude. Meanwhile...
Local, local, local.
ddoering
10-13-2016, 07:52
I for one say fuck the republican party whether Trump wins or not the Reps have been exposed for the useless losers they have become time for conservatives to kill the party. Paul Ryan is as weak as Boehner was, the question conservatives should be asking is why are they? what is in it for them to not uphold their very own campaign promises, the former Presidents that claim to be voting for Hillary are IMO afraid of what Trump will expose their is something their that scares them.
As far as this election, the hype from the liberal media is or at least appears to be working in the minds of conservatives who seem to think that HRC has all but won.....that is what they want I don't buy it however many conservatives have started to accept it. Americans are so unaccustomed to hearing a candidate as unpolished as Trump they are afraid on top of that as informed as people are they are still suckers for propaganda.
We need to work to eliminate the vast support network the Republicans have, this huge network is the only thing that keeps a third party from being seriously considered until now. And yes Trump is in reality a third party
Don't buy the hype Trump is doing very well which says alot about the state this country is in.
Well said. I was a Republican my entire life. They no longer represent me.
ddoering
10-13-2016, 07:54
I think only a revolution will take it back now. Too many entitlements. That is the real opiate of the masses. And as long as entitlements flow, you can forget about any revolution .
At the rate we are accumulating debt the flow should come to a grinding halt soon. Then the masses will turn on their benefactors. Buy ammo now.
I for one say fuck the republican party whether Trump wins or not the Reps have been exposed for the useless losers they have become time for conservatives to kill the party. Paul Ryan is as weak as Boehner was, the question conservatives should be asking is why are they? what is in it for them to not uphold their very own campaign promises, the former Presidents that claim to be voting for Hillary are IMO afraid of what Trump will expose their is something their that scares them.
As far as this election, the hype from the liberal media is or at least appears to be working in the minds of conservatives who seem to think that HRC has all but won.....that is what they want I don't buy it however many conservatives have started to accept it. Americans are so unaccustomed to hearing a candidate as unpolished as Trump they are afraid on top of that as informed as people are they are still suckers for propaganda.
We need to work to eliminate the vast support network the Republicans have, this huge network is the only thing that keeps a third party from being seriously considered until now. And yes Trump is in reality a third party
Don't buy the hype Trump is doing very well which says alot about the state this country is in.
Right on. The media should not be believed.
The real numbers on the ground, not the CNN, MSNBC, CBS polls worked up by Clinton campaign staffers, look VERY good for Trump.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-pennsylvania-voters-switch-from-democrat-to-republican/
Nearly 100,000 Pennsylvania Voters Switch From Democrat To Republican
The state Republican party says that the surge in Republican registrations is nearly twice the number of newly registered Republicans compared to both the 2008 and 2012 numbers combined.
If PA goes Trump, this thing is over. Down here in FL, I am confident that it is going Trump as well.
Old Dog New Trick
10-13-2016, 11:21
It needs to be an overwhelming <-landslide-> tilde wave and it needs to start early on the morning of November 8, in the eastern block states. The wave needs momentum to sweep the mid-western strongholds of transplant democrats all the way back to the left-coast cities that control the democratic vote in otherwise red states. By the time millennials finish their morning half-white, 2%, double-shot, with a cinnamon twist caramel latte, they need only a slight reason to forgo standing in a line to vote.
Then when the deluge finally subsidies the nation can see what a folly it has been to put a criminal on the ticket to the highest office.
Then we can run the RINOs out of town with the rest of the trash in Washington D.C.
Badger52
10-13-2016, 11:41
...half-white, 2%, double-shot, with a cinnamon twist caramel latte,...LMAO. I can't even wrap my brain around tha... WTF is that? See ya; I'm going to pour another cup of coffee.
:D
bblhead672
10-13-2016, 11:59
It needs to be an overwhelming <-landslide-> tilde wave and it needs to start early on the morning of November 8, in the eastern block states. The wave needs momentum to sweep the mid-western strongholds of transplant democrats all the way back to the left-coast cities that control the democratic vote in otherwise red states. By the time millennials finish their morning half-white, 2%, double-shot, with a cinnamon twist caramel latte, they need only a slight reason to forgo standing in a line to vote.
Then when the deluge finally subsidies the nation can see what a folly it has been to put a criminal on the ticket to the highest office.
Then we can run the RINOs out of town with the rest of the trash in Washington D.C.
And so overwhelmingly against Clinton that she has no recourse to run crying to the courts.
Old Dog New Trick
10-13-2016, 12:17
And so overwhelmingly against Clinton that she has no recourse to run crying to the courts.
Eggzactly!
That, and it will squash unethical/unhealthy movements like BLM, anti-Anthem protests, inner city crime expansion, and hopefully tell prospective illegal immigrants and those already here that there's a new boss in town, not like the old boss and the new boss is unlike any boss in a long, long time.
My hope is that constitutional law and the law of the land is restored somewhat and there is a total reversal of socialist policies put in place that have undermined our financial security and world standing.
I know that's a lot so I will be happy with just beginning someplace, someplace like telling a bunch of three and four letter agencies to develop their own plans of permanent closure or restructure that fits with their responsibilities under the constitution.
blacksmoke
10-13-2016, 12:28
Right on. The media should not be believed.
The real numbers on the ground, not the CNN, MSNBC, CBS polls worked up by Clinton campaign staffers, look VERY good for Trump.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-pennsylvania-voters-switch-from-democrat-to-republican/
Nearly 100,000 Pennsylvania Voters Switch From Democrat To Republican
The state Republican party says that the surge in Republican registrations is nearly twice the number of newly registered Republicans compared to both the 2008 and 2012 numbers combined.
If PA goes Trump, this thing is over. Down here in FL, I am confident that it is going Trump as well.
I'm one of those in Ohio. My county is still going to be blue, but I switched from Ind. to R so I could vote for Rubio in the primary. I'm glad he's no longer on the ticket after all that has come out against Trump in the Rep. party. F'em all, Bush Sr. coming out for Hitlery was about a clear kick in the nuts as I needed to completely loose hope that the R's were going to do anything beneficial. What a joke!
Badger52
10-13-2016, 12:39
F'em all, Bush Sr. coming out for Hitlery was about a clear kick in the nuts as I needed to completely loose hope that the R's were going to do anything beneficial. What a joke!He lost me quite awhile ago with some anti-gun legislation he supported back in the day. I used to take heat for calling him a carpetbagging New Englander in cowboy boots even when it wasn't Halloween. These people's stripes are on more solid than a bad tattoo.
blacksmoke
10-13-2016, 12:56
You know what, I agree with all the Yankee and carpetbagger comments I hear from southerners/mid westerners that have all of us NE'ers moving into their territory. I left NY because it's depressing, I can't wait to someday move to Tx. Not because I can't stand NY weather, because NY sucks and so does it's politics!
bblhead672
10-13-2016, 13:45
You know what, I agree with all the Yankee and carpetbagger comments I hear from southerners/mid westerners that have all of us NE'ers moving into their territory. I left NY because it's depressing, I can't wait to someday move to Tx. Not because I can't stand NY weather, because NY sucks and so does it's politics!
Come on down. But please, leave the mankini in NY, not safe to wear in Texas, except in Austin.
Old Dog New Trick
10-13-2016, 14:37
I figure at this point everyone from Bush Sr., (the Bush family) to those who own the media, banking and investment companies and a substantial number of congressional members (both D and R) and anyone (cabinet secretaries, directors of three letter agencies, etc...) with the ability to pay to play are connected to the Klinton foundation.
As more comes out through hacked emails and connecting the dots, I think it will be evident to the world that some people fear not the world they have helped create but will bask in its demise.
I can fathom the thought of insider trading on a global scale with unspeakable amounts of cash that the FEC can't or won't even try to trace or follow.
Bush Sr., (DCIA/VP/POTUS) Clinton, Bush Jr., House of Saud (9-11), OPEC, and even the current Manchurian candidate who won the last two and always has a shit eaten grin on his face (recently waited on the tarmac in USAF-1 for the former) has nothing to fear. Strange bedfellows indeed.
The crash, the bailout, the war in Iraq (the quick manner in executing Saddam Hussein with the same velocity of poor Timmy McVeigh: a right wing nut with milita fantasies,) artificially low interest rates to keep the masses borrowing money that only gets printed on a federal press, the list does in fact go on and on and on. Does all of this begin with Klinton, William J., or does it begin in the mid 1970s with Nixon (Watergate) and a little known para-legal named Hillary Rodham, who after being fired learned what needed to be done next. More importantly exactly how to do it! Everything from Whitewater to Monica and private servers has been handled - or has it?
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but in my lifetime I've now witnessed some pretty bizarre shit that can't really be explained as randomness. Assassination of JFK to GWOT (Ghosts of Kabuki Theater)
As long as one-third of the American public have more guns than the police/military and a military that continues to side with the constitution loving-apple pie eating-sis-gendered Americans'; their global grab for universal power are on hold.
I'm guessing that even though DJT used to eat dinner and tell dirty jokes with WJC/H*R-C he wasn't invited to the party. And if he was...
We are about to be fucked!
As long as one-third of the American public have more guns than the police/military and a military that continues to side with the constitution loving-apple pie eating-sis-gendered Americans'; their global grab for universal power are on hold.
...along with a strong majority of po-po's.;)
The campaign has run amok...
...the government has run amok
...senior leaders have run amok
...the fucking press has run amok
...american citizens have run amok
For fuck sake I dont know whether to shit or go blind anymore amd I cant stand listening to these mother fuckers on the evening news, the George Snuffalupagus crowd and those cut from the same smug fratboy cloth make me want to dig out my ear drums with a dirty chopstick..
These fucking people in the press are ungoddamned believable. The clintons could walk through a PETA rescue haven whacking puppies with a fucking stick and you wont hear a critical peep but if a repbulicans flicks a cigarette butt on the ground they run it into the ground. They just wont shut up.
These fucking people could recite Shakespeare while giving a 200 dollar blow job and still be heard by the people sitting in the back row of the theater.
all the while the american people are busy drooling on the front of their shirt waiting for the next salacious bit 0f celebrity gossip.
We keep getting shit sandwiches and we just keep bitching about it but instead of beating the everloving fuck out of the guy making the sandwiches, we are trying to figure out how to make the bread gluten free.
Its a good thing I am not drinking whiskey or I'd drag this damn rant on for another 137 lines of plain text.
rant mode deactivated...
enjoy the rest of your evening
The campaign has run amok...
...the government has run amok
...senior leaders have run amok
...the fucking press has run amok
...american citizens have run amok
For fuck sake I dont know whether to shit or go blind anymore amd I cant stand listening to these mother fuckers on the evening news, the George Snuffalupagus crowd and those cut from the same smug fratboy cloth make me want to dig out my ear drums with a dirty chopstick..
These fucking people in the press are ungoddamned believable. The clintons could walk through a PETA rescue haven whacking puppies with a fucking stick and you wont hear a critical peep but if a repbulicans flicks a cigarette butt on the ground they run it into the ground. They just wont shut up.
These fucking people could recite Shakespeare while giving a 200 dollar blow job and still be heard by the people sitting in the back row of the theater.
all the while the american people are busy drooling on the front of their shirt waiting for the next salacious bit 0f celebrity gossip.
We keep getting shit sandwiches and we just keep bitching about it but instead of beating the everloving fuck out of the guy making the sandwiches, we are trying to figure out how to make the bread gluten free.
Its a good thing I am not drinking whiskey or I'd drag this damn rant on for another 137 lines of plain text.
rant mode deactivated...
enjoy the rest of your evening
Come on, brother...don't let us stop you!
Rant on...
Your rants make more sense than most people's assumed "logic" concerning this election.
WarriorDiplomat
10-13-2016, 19:54
[QUOTE=Billy L-bach;617774]The campaign has run amok...
...the government has run amok
...senior leaders have run amok
...the fucking press has run amok
...american citizens have run amok
Yeah, that's why Trump needs to win I for one believe inquiring minds need to know why these fuckers are all pushing for HRC so damn hard. Why in the hell does anyone want her as POTUS and Obama as a SCOTUS haven't we had enough of this liberal disease??? The fact that it isn't for the Republicans schilling for the evil bitch speaks volumes about the corrupt politics they are all complicit in.
The campaign has run amok...
...the government has run amok
...senior leaders have run amok
...the fucking press has run amok
...american citizens have run amok
For fuck sake I dont know whether to shit or go blind anymore amd I cant stand listening to these mother fuckers on the evening news, the George Snuffalupagus crowd and those cut from the same smug fratboy cloth make me want to dig out my ear drums with a dirty chopstick..
These fucking people in the press are ungoddamned believable. The clintons could walk through a PETA rescue haven whacking puppies with a fucking stick and you wont hear a critical peep but if a repbulicans flicks a cigarette butt on the ground they run it into the ground. They just wont shut up.
These fucking people could recite Shakespeare while giving a 200 dollar blow job and still be heard by the people sitting in the back row of the theater.
all the while the american people are busy drooling on the front of their shirt waiting for the next salacious bit 0f celebrity gossip.
We keep getting shit sandwiches and we just keep bitching about it but instead of beating the everloving fuck out of the guy making the sandwiches, we are trying to figure out how to make the bread gluten free.
Its a good thing I am not drinking whiskey or I'd drag this damn rant on for another 137 lines of plain text.
rant mode deactivated...
enjoy the rest of your evening
I believe this quote from a historic and, equally un-PC, video sums up my thanks!
https://youtu.be/ke5Mr5eCF2U
blacksmoke
10-14-2016, 06:11
Come on down. But please, leave the mankini in NY, not safe to wear in Texas, except in Austin.
Lol I was thinking about the N. Austin area. :D The mankinis stuck until TS takes it off. :(
Lol I was thinking about the N. Austin area. :D The mankinis stuck until TS takes it off. :(
Now that just sounds so, so, wrong. :eek:
Lol I was thinking about the N. Austin area. :D The mankinis stuck until TS takes it off. :(
I like it. It puts a comical tone to anything you say here! He he
The Reaper
10-14-2016, 14:46
I believe this quote from a historic and, equally un-PC, video sums up my thanks!
https://youtu.be/ke5Mr5eCF2U
I prefer this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uqjznmTp80
TR
bblhead672
10-14-2016, 14:57
I prefer this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uqjznmTp80
TR
My co-workers think I lost it I'm laughing so hard. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
They're dropping like flies...these women:
Summer Zervos was the Trump accuser dredged up by Gloria Allred.
Email from Zervos 6 months ago at bottom...
http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/john-barry-summer-zervos-cousin-email-rhona-graff-donald-trump-statement-restaurant-anthony-gilberthorpe/
...and the woman alleging being "groped" in 1st class by DJT...debunked as a liar by another passenger and, well, more:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/list-debunked-groper-allegations-corrupt-media-donald-trump/
I prefer this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uqjznmTp80
TR
Lol...two of the greats.
nonsense... hiLlary would never lie about such a thing
Vote for Williams and Craig in 16!
In all my voting years, I have never experienced a direct corporate pitch for a candidate.
https://saf.wellsfargoadvisors.com/emx/dctm/Research/wfii/wfii_reports/Investment_Strategy/guide_2016_elections.pdf
EDIT to ADD: I have no investment relationship with WF
In all my voting years, I have never experienced a direct corporate pitch for a candidate.
https://saf.wellsfargoadvisors.com/emx/dctm/Research/wfii/wfii_reports/Investment_Strategy/guide_2016_elections.pdf
EDIT to ADD: I have no investment relationship with WF
Joseph Goebbels is smiling.
Badger52
10-18-2016, 21:46
Joseph Goebbels is smiling.Yup. And with the winner-take-all model under which elections are consistently stolen "it'll be all legal like & shit..."
The publication of this piece of krap, taken in the context of the excoriation of Wells Fargo by both sides of the aisle in the Legislatures during their hearings, should tell anyone not under a rock what politicians really think of their lessers (or deplorables if you prefer).
Maybe there needs to be a new category of "North America" under Area Studies...
:rolleyes:
I never understood why businesses would pick a side in elections. Whatever way you go you run the risk of alienating half of your potential customer base, and your candidate could always lose. Sure, having an ally in the White House is great and protects you in all kinds of ways, but the inverse is true as well. Trump strikes me as the kind of dude who might be a tad vindictive.... Why risk it?
I never understood why businesses would pick a side in elections. Whatever way you go you run the risk of alienating half of your potential customer base, and your candidate could always lose. Sure, having an ally in the White House is great and protects you in all kinds of ways, but the inverse is true as well. Trump strikes me as the kind of dude who might be a tad vindictive.... Why risk it?
Scooter, Agreed, its not sound business judgement to prick your clients thin skin, and this is somewhat related, though only an observation, no empirical evidence or statistics to support the following comment: fact, NJ, NY, and PA are left leaning states.
That said, as I travel the Tri-State region on my weekly market runs, I have noticed the lack of political posters, bummer stickers, and lawn sign, signaling an alignment with either candidate, which seems to be unusual for such a highly charged election cycle, particularly in this region. The absence of allegiance to a party or candidate is odd, and confusing, until you factor in a possible reason for it being so.
In my mind this election, filled as it is with race baiting, sexual harassment, and character issues has produced a stigma, that one is loath to express their preference publicly for fear of ridicule, or agitating family members, friends, neighbors, and co-workers. Although both candidates are seriously flawed, A Trump supporter is more likely than not, to face serious backlash. My wife is livid over my Trump Vote.
Which brings me to my point: imho, the lack of Clinton signage in this heavily democratic region is a ++ for Trump. I may be wrong, but it’s very odd to me that I don’t see the H> logo, or I’m with her stickers all over the place.
With regard to Trump, its stigma. Post a support sticker and you place yourself in potential conflict immediately. Could this lack of visual support be the silent majority ready to cast its fate with Trump?
I sure hope so!
Badger52
10-19-2016, 15:15
I may be wrong, but it’s very odd to me that I don’t see the H> logo, or I’m with her stickers all over the place.Not too many seen hereabouts either (did see a giant Hillary for Prison sign though...) but then this isn't Madison or downtown Milwaukee or the U-W campus.
I think folks are just underwhelmed in general. They may not get off the couch and that would be disastrous for Trump because the hearses will haul as many Hillary voters as needed.
The vast majority of Yard signage in my AO is for state and local politicians, presidental race signs are few and far between both candidates. There are a few more Hillary zealots that have there yard signs out to antagonize their neighbors but not many at all.
The overwhelming majority of Hillary signage in the area can be seen on the back of Toyota Prius.
Hillary pledges rule of law, limited government, individual liberty...oh shit that's the other party...gum jobs, get you gum job...
October 19, 2016 - 12:19 PM EDT
The Hill
Madonna pledges oral sex for Clinton voters
“If you vote for Hillary Clinton,” Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden, “I will give you a blow job.”
“And I’m good,” the 58-year-old “Like a Virgin” singer, an outspoken supporter of the Democratic presidential nominee, said to cheers from the audience.
“I’m not a tool. I take my time,” Madonna boasted
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters
TacOfficer
10-20-2016, 09:24
Hillary pledges rule of law, limited government, individual liberty...oh shit that's the other party...gum jobs, get you gum job...
October 19, 2016 - 12:19 PM EDT
The Hill
Madonna pledges oral sex for Clinton voters
“If you vote for Hillary Clinton,” Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden, “I will give you a blow job.”
“And I’m good,” the 58-year-old “Like a Virgin” singer, an outspoken supporter of the Democratic presidential nominee, said to cheers from the audience.
“I’m not a tool. I take my time,” Madonna boasted
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters
Thank you for ruining my breakfast.
I would not let that hag pleasure my dog.
Excuse me, while I go throw up in the back yard.
The pop queen, known for her shocking antics, made the remark Tuesday while opening for comedian Amy Schumer in New York.
Madonna opened for Amy Schumer? Madonna is not funny, just weird and sleazy.
... Shumer isn't funny either though.
Why wasn't sleazy Miley wrecking balls Cyrus wasn't there too?
Badger52
10-20-2016, 13:16
Now there's a caption somewhere for a Bill photograph.
Now there's a caption somewhere for a Bill photograph.
Hildabeast down with the title/offer...she's first in line...then Bill...these people are nukin futz.
Divemaster
10-20-2016, 16:38
Hillary pledges rule of law, limited government, individual liberty...oh shit that's the other party...gum jobs, get you gum job...
October 19, 2016 - 12:19 PM EDT
The Hill
Madonna pledges oral sex for Clinton voters
“If you vote for Hillary Clinton,” Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden, “I will give you a blow job.”
“And I’m good,” the 58-year-old “Like a Virgin” singer, an outspoken supporter of the Democratic presidential nominee, said to cheers from the audience.
“I’m not a tool. I take my time,” Madonna boasted
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters
"I voted twice!" -Bill Clinton
Badger52
10-20-2016, 17:07
"I voted twice!" -Bill ClintonFTW!
:lifter
Joseph Goebbels is smiling.
Good thing we didnt nominate "lyin ted". Then wed have the goldman sachs frontman in the gop ticket.....
:rolleyes:
Thank god this fucking clownshow is over. Break out the blue death juice and send the gop on their way. Time for something new.
Two antidotes to calm your rage and reconcile your fragmented cerebral hemispheres. Forward to those in doubt, its not about Trump.
http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=9529
followed by
http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=9522
Two antidotes to calm your rage and reconcile your fragmented cerebral hemispheres. Forward to those in doubt, its not about Trump.
http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=9529
followed by
http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=9522
It may not be about Trump, but we had proven candidates that have fought the system to include the president. Yet we are left with a reality TV show on its final season that is destined to be cancelled. The volatility of the primary disenfranchised tens of millions. Many of whom listened to one too many surrogates make excuses for Trump based on the shotgun media barrage that took place on a daily basis. These are the same people that will blame those of us who were critical of him as those who "bear the cross" of his loss.
Its like listening to a Civil Affairs capabilities brief.
Stop believing your own bullshit Trump surrogates.
I will be voting for him, but I view him as simply damage control.
I will be voting for him, but I view him as simply damage control.
I agree, but I don't think that any of the other 16 could, or would, have fought back as forcefully as he has. And they would have been destroyed if they tried. Trump's being attacked from all sides and, like Armus (ST TNG), he gets stronger with each volley. We live in interesting times. ;)
Pat
Ret10Echo
10-21-2016, 05:57
I agree, but I don't think that any of the other 16 could, or would, have fought back as forcefully as he has. And they would have been destroyed if they tried. Trump's being attacked from all sides and, like Armus (ST TNG), he gets stronger with each volley. We live in interesting times. ;)
Pat
This is completely unrealistic...but I would hope this cycle has at least opened the eyes of the general public to the fact that their system of government has been stolen by a small group of elitists.
Every time I think about casting a ballot it pains me. But I have recollection of an old poster showing an American soldier in front of a class of students. The classroom is in a thatched hut and on the chalkboard is written:
Today I am voting
Yesterday we voted
Tomorrow we will vote
At least we have the opportunity.
R10
bblhead672
10-21-2016, 08:39
It may not be about Trump, but we had proven candidates that have fought the system to include the president. Yet we are left with a reality TV show on its final season that is destined to be cancelled. The volatility of the primary disenfranchised tens of millions. Many of whom listened to one too many surrogates make excuses for Trump based on the shotgun media barrage that took place on a daily basis. These are the same people that will blame those of us who were critical of him as those who "bear the cross" of his loss.
Its like listening to a Civil Affairs capabilities brief.
Stop believing your own bullshit Trump surrogates.
I will be voting for him, but I view him as simply damage control.
This quote below from one of Victor Hansen's article says it correctly:
"None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump’s sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters."
I've said from the beginning that I don't like Trump, I don't want Trump - but I agree with and like what he is saying. All that was needed was for one of the more viable candidates to have taken the wind from Trump's sails by saying the same things he said, only make it less blustery and more palatable to a wider audience. The things Trump has said needed to be said, and still need to be said in order to begin reversing the damage of the last 8 years.
I am so saddened and depressed by what has become of America, and that the road ahead most likely will have the blood of many Americans filling its ditches.
“If you vote for Hillary Clinton,” Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden, “I will give you a blow job.”
:D
^^lol, gum jobs, getcha gum jobs heya...
ETA: Consensus around the interwebs seems to be "disgust" (except for maybe WJC).
And, it's viewed as just another Klintonista doing what they gotta do for votes.
bblhead672 I am so saddened and depressed by what has become of America, and that the road ahead most likely will have the blood of many Americans filling its ditches.
Reading that sentence knotted my stomach, as I’ve heard similar comments from others and also feel completely enraged at the direction the ruling elites taken our country.
Revolt will occur inline with the continual growth of the imperial presidency.
Giuliani was perceptive in calling attention to these continual undermining standards, emplaced and enforced without regard to outcomes. Giuliani was savaged in the media for making the statement that obama, in his opinion, did not “love America”.
obama, judge by his passive aggressive inaction in SWA, which resulted in isis, the refugee crisis, and America’s extraction of power around the globe, the evisceration within the CG ranks, for gossip, morals, or the slightest PC misstep, imo, aided and abetted the enemy, by doing nothing, he weakens America.
Considering the open policy for muslims immigrates, settled across our country, is in my mind, the defining signature of his legacy, fulfilling his goal to “fundamentally change America”. The seed been planted. Assimilation is not a muslim cultural imperative. As that population grows, future conflict is assured.
Will HRC continue the policy? I think as compromised as she is with donations to the CF by the Saudis et al, the deal btw obama policy continuation and HRC, no charges = ascension to the throne.
This quote below from one of Victor Hansen's article says it correctly:
"None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump’s sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters."
I've said from the beginning that I don't like Trump, I don't want Trump - but I agree with and like what he is saying. All that was needed was for one of the more viable candidates to have taken the wind from Trump's sails by saying the same things he said, only make it less blustery and more palatable to a wider audience. The things Trump has said needed to be said, and still need to be said in order to begin reversing the damage of the last 8 years.
I am so saddened and depressed by what has become of America, and that the road ahead most likely will have the blood of many Americans filling its ditches.
I disagree with that article. Walker, Cruz, Rubio, Carson before he went full "trumptard" could all have served as quintessential outsider candidates. All of these men also had a record of standing up to reckless policy and spending. Additionally they actually had principles and values. Something that Trump clearly does not, you are unable to follow someone that is all over the map in terms of where they stand.
With that being said, I voted for Donald Trump yesterday. That doesn't mean he gets a pass from me, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be critical of his policies, that doesn't mean that I'm ever going to forgive him for losing the 2016 presidential race against one of the easiest layup Democratic candidates in the history of politics.
It was brought up over a year ago that the media and democratic party wanted Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee. For several reasons,
1. To create infighting inside of the Republican Party, after running a third party inside the republican primary, they saw this as a golden opportunity to exploit the GOP through the mrans of mass messaging. They didnt have to even chenge their themes, just ask hin the same question enough times and ultimately, he will answer inconsistently....sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.......either way, the opportunity is always there for them to expkoit.
2. Provide ease of access to opposition research. They knew dirt would be easier to dig up on him than anyone else.
3. Provide someone who is going to be a wild card for the election in the interest of ratings.
At all of these things together and what do you get? Someone that is beatable by Hilary fucking Clinton.
Stony Brooke Professor: Trump will POTUS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeGihVfB3k)
His web site: Primary Model (http://primarymodel.com/)
Pat
Mills, love your passionate statement! PSM, I sincerely pray the good professor is correct.
I received this email this morning, I think is addresses all of what we have spoken about here. We would do well to follow this thought process to change the system to be in service of the people.
Good morning, Dennis, and how wonderful to hear from you! Thank you for the article. I agree that the system is pervasively corrupt and needs to be changed. You may be familiar with Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, who (in 1887) had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
He went on to say, "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the Beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 Years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
My friends on the right side of the aisle use part of the quote to support their contention that our "socialist welfare state" is to blame for the state of affairs ("A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.") And, I don't think Tyler anticipated the rise of crony capitalism, in which corporate interests would have far more influence on who gets what from the Treasury than the "majority", as in the majority of voters ("From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury"); or how the electoral college (which, when it was devised, was an effective solution to legitimate concerns and did a pretty good job of representing the 1-man 1-vote principle), would skew differently as the nation evolved from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy, and as parties became part of the political process.
All of that to say, I agree that the system is corrupt and needs to change. People on both sides of the aisle feel disenfranchised, and I think the rise of Sanders and Trump within the established parties reflect that. Trump was able to succeed because the GOP Establishment was already weakened by the ongoing infighting and platform inconsistencies caused by the rise of the Tea Party and Evangelicals, where Sanders met a far less fractious Dem party.
Looking at the performance of 3rd party candidates Nader and Perot in elections of the last several decades bear witness to it. Neither of these candidates was to have the benefits of the Establishment parties, yet both of them (ironically) were able to garner enough votes to cost the election for their respective Establishment sides of the aisle. The question is - what is needed to change "a 2-party system controlled by elites"? Taking money out of politics and a rational approach to term limits, plus closing the "revolving door" would be a good start.
However, none of that will matter if individuals don't take the political process back from the Parties and the Elites by truly (and peacefully) exercising their right to vote - not just on election day (which is easy) but by going to precinct meetings, having civil discourse and debate with people who hold different opinions, meeting their candidates and vetting them themselves, doing their own due diligence and not relying on the so-called "news" to inform their opinions. How many people do you know who attend precinct meetings? Who even know when and where they are?
People think rights are free. They are not - people from the beginning of our nation's history have fought and died for our rights. Rights come with the responsibility to exercise them, and only through exercising them will we keep them. I contend that it is only because we, as a people, have abdicated the responsibility that comes with our most precious right to vote that the Parties and Elites have filled the vacuum.
We have only ourselves to blame. To paraphrase Tyler's words, through abundance, we have become complacent and apathetic. Time to quit whining and take it back, peacefully and through the democratic means at our disposal. Maybe a hard sell, but I believe it is possible, and it is surely preferable to dependence and bondage.
Warmest and best regards to you and yours, E
I disagree with that article. Walker, Cruz, Rubio, Carson before he went full "trumptard" could all have served as quintessential outsider candidates. All of these men also had a record of standing up to reckless policy and spending. Additionally they actually had principles and values. Something that Trump clearly does not, you are unable to follow someone that is all over the map in terms of where they stand.
With that being said, I voted for Donald Trump yesterday. That doesn't mean he gets a pass from me, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be critical of his policies, that doesn't mean that I'm ever going to forgive him for losing the 2016 presidential race against one of the easiest layup Democratic candidates in the history of politics.
It was brought up over a year ago that the media and democratic party wanted Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee. For several reasons,
1. To create infighting inside of the Republican Party, after running a third party inside the republican primary, they saw this as a golden opportunity to exploit the GOP through the mrans of mass messaging. They didnt have to even chenge their themes, just ask hin the same question enough times and ultimately, he will answer inconsistently....sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose.......either way, the opportunity is always there for them to expkoit.
2. Provide ease of access to opposition research. They knew dirt would be easier to dig up on him than anyone else.
3. Provide someone who is going to be a wild card for the election in the interest of ratings.
At all of these things together and what do you get? Someone that is beatable by Hilary fucking Clinton.
Youu left our the fact that Republican establishment people continued to tear down trump even after the voters gave him the nomination. Nice that he has to fight the democrats and pull knives out of his back.
If he doest win there will be lots of blame on the Repub side. If that's the case I hope he runs again
that doesn't mean that I'm ever going to forgive him for losing the 2016 presidential race against one of the easiest layup Democratic candidates in the history of politics.
I commend you for voting!
But I disagree o Hillary . Hillary on her own is probably a slam dunk even for Trump. But Trump is not fighting just Hillary he is fighting the entire DNC and RNC establishment and their minions.......it is a struggle of David vs Goliath proportions.
All one needs to do is watch and listen to the chatter on all the major networks over this past week to know that the system is rigged against Trump and Hillary is getting a pass on all her egregious misdeeds.
I commend you for voting!
But I disagree o Hillary . Hillary on her own is probably a slam dunk even for Trump. But Trump is not fighting just Hillary he is fighting the entire DNC and RNC establishment and their minions.......it is a struggle of David vs Goliath proportions.
All one needs to do is watch and listen to the chatter on all the major networks over this past week to know that the system is rigged against Trump and Hillary is getting a pass on all her egregious misdeeds.
Man, I am just going to cut to the point on this "establishment" garbage.
No disrespect by any means..........but what is this establishment? Who are they? Where do they work and how can we find them?
Are you talking about the former speaker of the house (who supported him) Mitch McConnell, Marsha Blackburn, Kevin McCarthy, Peter King, Paul Manafort, the Fox News network, Roger Stone, Rupert Murdoch, Sarah Palin, Rick Scott, Chris Christie, The ethanol industry, Reince Prebus, Rush Limbaugh, Terry Branstad............etc, etc, etc.
What did all of these people have in common? They all hated Cruz and Walker. In my opinion, being that these two have actually stood up for crony capitalism and the unnecessary reaching across the aisle versus sticking to principles.........Remember, only a plurality of voters nominated Trump. One could even say that the crowded field ALLOWED by the RNC and the GOPe actually created a void that Trump was able to fill.
So who is this GOP establishment? Last time I checked, all of the above were people that make a habit of not just reaching across the aisle, but capitulating to the big government left. The talking points have made us all brain dead and until we realize that our own or former party has been turned on its head through misinformation and disinformation, we will continue to be at each others throats.
Love him or hate him, the "anti-establishment" crap has to go. He pretty much sunk that with several of his platforms in regards to the expansion of the federal government, including paid maternity leave and the increase in the minimum wage..........etc, etc.
Rant over. Time for a refill.
I think Cruz would have won had he stopped talking to everyone like he was a preacher and smarter than everyone else. I don't like Trump (yes, I voted for him), but he spoke like the average man. Cruz didn't so he came across as an elitist.
You and I can bicker about what to call it, who and what it encompasses, but it is not garbage.
All you must do to see it in play is watch, read or listen any of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc and major print news pressing the same exact message, while and at the same time ignoring some truly important revelations.
You and I can bicker about what to call it, who and what it encompasses, but it is not garbage.
All you must do to see it in play is watch, read or listen any of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc and major print news pressing the same exact message, while and at the same time ignoring some truly important revelations.
So once again, who controls this establishment?
So once again, who controls this establishment?
Money. The big money Republicans, Wall Street, etc are all for illegal immigration. They want a low skilled work force they can hire for low wages.
Money. The big money Democrats are all in for illegal immigration. They want the less informed votes for the money that power and political positions will bring.
So we get the Dancing Around the May Pole up in Washington where both sides talk about it and pass a few piddly laws but nothing gets done.
Take any issue that PO's folks on the right and you'll see both sides in Washington talking about it - but ever leaning further to the left while they go out to dine with each other and snicker about how they pull the wool over the voters eyes.
doctom54
10-23-2016, 11:01
Money. The big money Republicans, Wall Street, etc are all for illegal immigration. They want a low skilled work force they can hire for low wages.
Money. The big money Democrats are all in for illegal immigration. They want the less informed votes for the money that power and political positions will bring.
So we get the Dancing Around the May Pole up in Washington where both sides talk about it and pass a few piddly laws but nothing gets done.
Take any issue that PO's folks on the right and you'll see both sides in Washington talking about it - but ever leaning further to the left while they go out to dine with each other and snicker about how they pull the wool over the voters eyes.
You nailed it. If one side (party) wanted to stop it they could. It takes both sides in agreement for this to go on for years (which it has)
double post so I deleted it
This may be of interest and help answer the question; "who is the establishment", this is one facet of the mix.
How the establishment controls elections and how the citizens can take them back
http://tedstevenot.com/tag/how-the-establishment-controls-elections-and-how-the-citizens-can-take-them-back/
In steps, here is how the establishment “rigs”elections:
1. Political districts are drawn to strongly favor one of the two major parties in the general election.
2. Crony and corrupt central committees endorse crony and corrupt candidates months before the primary.
3. The endorsed candidates’ names appear on the party voter guide.
4. The people rely heavily on the party voter guide to decide for whom they will vote.
5. The endorsed candidates win the primary.
6. Due to the lopsided nature of most districts, the primary winners go on to easily win in the general.
As a result of these steps, the cry, “Remember in November!” becomes a siren song for establishment control. The general election is rendered essentially meaningless because the real choice is made long before the general election ever takes place. And, as revealed in the Clermont County graph, 100 local insiders working in almost complete anonymity are able to determine the outcome of the election for 132,966 unsuspecting voters.
(Insert audible gasp here...)
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2140281?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Money. The big money Republicans, Wall Street, etc are all for illegal immigration. They want a low skilled work force they can hire for low wages.
Money. The big money Democrats are all in for illegal immigration. They want the less informed votes for the money that power and political positions will bring.
So we get the Dancing Around the May Pole up in Washington where both sides talk about it and pass a few piddly laws but nothing gets done.
Take any issue that PO's folks on the right and you'll see both sides in Washington talking about it - but ever leaning further to the left while they go out to dine with each other and snicker about how they pull the wool over the voters eyes.
See list of names above.
That all have been on the Trump train from the start. no discredit to him, but once again.........This point that is made, is contradicted by actions.
CONFIRMED: Early Voting Data Shows Trump Lead – Ignore the Corrupt Media:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/confirmed-early-voting-data-shows-trump-lead-ignore-trolls-say-otherwise/
Mills, who is the establishment..another facet of question is here:
Who is the establishment: Policy think tanks are another part of that fabric. They inform and take positions to reinforce their product-opinion, or disagreement. Whats at stake in policy position = net worth.
Another example is University Foreign Policy Department Director's. Who's sole purpose is to position the department as an authority on specific issue's, such as Brendon O"Leary, http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~boleary/website/Welcome.html Consociational Theory_multiple partners needed to reach an accord. or Wolfgang Danspeckerbruber http://wws.princeton.edu/faculty-research/faculty/wfd
Individuals such as these consult and champion their view point with elected official to establish their world view. Think Kissinger and Nixon. To prove this all one has to do is read obama's FP statements and then read the policy position of the Liechtenstein Institute on Self-Determination at Princeton University.
http://lisd.princeton.edu/publications
..oddly
the resmuglicans have been pretending to seek and end to the clint0ns for over 20 years and yet this year when they have a chance to fiinally end the clint0ns, the entire republican party is not only quiet, they are aiding the clinton machine by subverting the Trump campaign
why is that?
Badger52
10-24-2016, 19:44
why is that?I thought all that establishment stuff would explain that.. Shucks.
I voted, today, and the line was extremely long, especially for early voting. I have never seen a line like this for early voting and it gives me some hope for the outcome. I'm in Amarillo, a place with a long history of dedication to conservatism, so much so, that we are often called "backward". Undoubtedly, there were Democrats in that line, but if I had to wager, I would bet that the majority of them would now be called "deplorable".
My hope is that this is a sign that people, just as backward as we are, who have never answered questions on an election poll, are out there denying the lying killer of her dreams.
Also, I don't know if we have Soros-special voting machines, but this was posted on a local radio station's webpage: http://kissfm969.com/early-voters-from-amarillo-are-saying-their-votes-were-changed-on-the-ballot/ Please make sure to double and triple-check your ballots.
WarriorDiplomat
10-24-2016, 20:25
I voted, today, and the line was extremely long, especially for early voting. I have never seen a line like this for early voting and it gives me some hope for the outcome. I'm in Amarillo, a place with a long history of dedication to conservatism, so much so, that we are often called "backward". Undoubtedly, there were Democrats in that line, but if I had to wager, I would bet that the majority of them would now be called "deplorable".
My hope is that this is a sign that people, just as backward as we are, who have never answered questions on an election poll, are out there denying the lying killer of her dreams.
Also, I don't know if we have Soros-special voting machines, but this was posted on a local radio station's webpage: http://kissfm969.com/early-voters-from-amarillo-are-saying-their-votes-were-changed-on-the-ballot/ Please make sure to double and triple-check your ballots.
I think when I vote I am going to wear a shirt that says "I'm a deplorable" on the front and on the back "I stop terrorism for ungrateful assholes"
sfshooter
10-24-2016, 20:29
How NOT so surprising that no of this has been heard on the national propaganda outlets! I expect we will see more and more of this. It will be interesting to see how far they will go without any mention of said issues.
WarriorDiplomat
10-24-2016, 20:41
I think Cruz would have won had he stopped talking to everyone like he was a preacher and smarter than everyone else. I don't like Trump (yes, I voted for him), but he spoke like the average man. Cruz didn't so he came across as an elitist.
Agreed, Trump isn't a groomed career politician like so many others and as stated he talks about the issues like the rest of us in layman language and it scares so many who are conditioned to have certain expectations of conduct from politicians. A serial killer who acts like a perfect gentleman in public is still a serial killer. Every day I listen to younger troops talk about how all is lost and in the same conversation talk about propaganda from the left ?!?!? Hillary beating Trump soundly is a machination of liberal propaganda from the left reminiscent of pre WW2 Germany. Listening to the media is like getting hammered with Arty day and night a tactic to cause people to lose hope and stay home on election night because they can't take the disappointment. What the media is saying is the rubber not meeting the road I don't see pro Hillary propaganda like the media makes it sound and I'm in Colorado.
Its a shame that we couldn't put that "bible thumping" aside.
Now we will just have to deal with someone tell us what america is "supposed to be like" for the next 4 years. I guess that means whatever she deems important enough to pack the judicial system for............
More Government. Less Liberty.
As most of you know by know, I voted for Trump in the General, but seriously, fuck him for the way he ran his third party in the primary and fuck him for pandering to the left. The GOP will now move left (of center) while the liberals sprint left. For the love of god, at least we would have had someone that could actually make a case against the corruption that is embedded in the clinton family, and STAY ON MESSAGE. Trump reminds me of my 5 year old who gets distracted at every piece of low hanging fruit out there.
Its a shame that we couldn't put that "bible thumping" aside.
I voted for Cruz in the Primary, but he would have been ripped limb from limb in the General by now. All of the others would have been as well. And why do you assume that it's a given that the Hag will win? With the Wikileaks and Project Veritas stuff coming out and the brewing anti "Dirty Cop" Comey rebellion, I see hope. Actually, I see hope either way. Sheriff Clarke may be the leader we have been waiting for to issue the call to action. We'll see. ;)
Pat
And why do you assume that it's a given that the Hag will win? With the Wikileaks and Project Veritas stuff coming out and the brewing anti "Dirty Cop" Comey rebellion, I see hope. Actually, I see hope either way. Sheriff Clarke may be the leader we have been waiting for to issue the call to action. We'll see. ;)
Pat
Have you spoken to anyone who has changed who they supported given the Wikileaks and Veritas stuff? The folks that I have spoken to all seem to handily brush it all off.
Have you spoken to anyone who has changed who they supported given the Wikileaks and Veritas stuff? The folks that I have spoken to all seem to handily brush it all off.
Most people I speak with say, "Wiki-what" or "What is Veritas?"
As much information that is out there, many still willingly choose to remain ignorant of it.
Have you spoken to anyone who has changed who they supported given the Wikileaks and Veritas stuff? The folks that I have spoken to all seem to handily brush it all off.
There are no Hag supporters where I live. It's the "not (or less) likely to vote" crowd that he needs.
Pat
Old Dog New Trick
10-25-2016, 10:33
Most people I speak with say, "Wiki-what" or "What is Veritas?"
As much information that is out there, many still willingly choose to remain ignorant. (delete - of it.)
Fixed that for you. :D
ODNT,
You are correct, sir! I had a soft moment....:eek:
I just finished my push-ups as payment...:lifter
Now, back to the Agoge for me!
There are no Hag supporters where I live. It's the "not (or less) likely to vote" crowd that he needs.
Pat
I have yet to see Hillary or Kaine fill a venue as Trump has.
We shall see if those 'not(or less) likely to vote' are the tens of thousands standing in line for hours and filling his venues. It is possible that Trump has cherry picked where he is going so he gets the best optics, but then again you would think Hillary and Kaine would take advantage of the same oppourtunities and the media would be throwing it out there.
It is a weird election.
So once again, who controls this establishment?
I don't know but here are some results......
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/10/25/mrc-study-documenting-tvs-twelve-weeks-trump-bashing
Lord willing, it'll be Trump by 6 or 7; you still better buy heirloom seeds.
Drain that stinkin' swamp...DC the ultimate self-licking ice cream cone.
Government employees are opening their wallets to help Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump on Nov. 8.
The Hill
By Jonathan Swan - 10/26/16 06:01 AM EDT
Of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign, according to an analysis by The Hill.
Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.
Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations. Trump received $8,756 from DOJ employees compared with $286,797 for Clinton. From IRS employees, Clinton received 94 percent of donations.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/302817-government-workers-shun-trump-give-big-money-to-clinton-campaign
Drain that stinkin' swamp...DC the ultimate self-licking ice cream cone.
Government employees are opening their wallets to help Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump on Nov. 8.
The Hill
By Jonathan Swan - 10/26/16 06:01 AM EDT
Of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign, according to an analysis by The Hill.
Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.
Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations. Trump received $8,756 from DOJ employees compared with $286,797 for Clinton. From IRS employees, Clinton received 94 percent of donations.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/302817-government-workers-shun-trump-give-big-money-to-clinton-campaign
Voting themselves paychecks
WarriorDiplomat
10-26-2016, 19:31
Lord willing, it'll be Trump by 6 or 7; you still better buy heirloom seeds.
Case in point on why I think Hillary is possibly losing in reality and the libs are using data from polls of democratic areas to dishearten conservatives from even voting. Hillary and her minions are telling their supporters to make sure they vote because the race isn't over yet. Translation.....we have pulled every trick in the book to win this thing but we are not confident because the data we give you is a given since they are dems being polled.
The train is on a crash course and it appears alot of careerists think the gravy train of big government and all the skeletons that link the Cons and the Progs is terrifying alot of people on both sides/
WarriorDiplomat
10-26-2016, 19:38
I have yet to see Hillary or Kaine fill a venue as Trump has.
We shall see if those 'not(or less) likely to vote' are the tens of thousands standing in line for hours and filling his venues. It is possible that Trump has cherry picked where he is going so he gets the best optics, but then again you would think Hillary and Kaine would take advantage of the same oppourtunities and the media would be throwing it out there.
It is a weird election.
With all the propaganda they are using it seems implausible that Hillary and the progs would ignore yet another opportunity to deceive and dishearten cons.
Voting themselves paychecks
Just more pay to play...
Lord willing, it'll be Trump by 6 or 7; you still better buy heirloom seeds.
Heirloom seeds, H2o, Varget, SMKs, Primers, zocorr bags....
ddoering
10-27-2016, 17:23
I don't know but here are some results......
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/10/25/mrc-study-documenting-tvs-twelve-weeks-trump-bashing
Maybe when Trump wins he will establish an open season on these types so the bad bloodlines can be cut.
Maybe when Trump wins he will establish an open season on these types so the bad bloodlines can be cut.
I like your positive attitude!
Never Trumpers, remember:
GratefulCitizen
10-28-2016, 10:50
Here's someone who understands what is happening:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/10/the_angry_man_election.html
Old Dog New Trick
10-28-2016, 11:10
Here's someone who understands what is happening:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/10/the_angry_man_election.html
THAT just described me to a T.
Now I understand why my wife and kid call me an "Angry Man" because I am.
ddoering
10-28-2016, 14:16
Same here.
Angry man, silent majority take your pick I am very optimistic about the outcome of this election. A few may remember this image first hand, the rest of us read about it in the history books.
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Team Sergeant
10-28-2016, 14:45
Angry man, silent majority take your pick I am very optimistic about the outcome of this election. A few may remember this image first hand, the rest of us read about it in the history books.
32975
I'm glad you feel that way....... I was very "disappointed" that the recent "incompetent social experiment" was not only voted into office, but twice.
I have zero confidence in the American people, zero. If they want to vote themselves a corrupt socialist government, good for them. I'll be fishing and the first ones that come for my guns and my freedom will die for their socialist cause.
Old Dog New Trick
10-28-2016, 14:59
Paul Ryan has said a lot this afternoon but, has he said "I'm voting straight Republican ticket regardless of how I feel about the chosen candidate." ?
One man's view on this contentious election.
America's Moment Of Truth
Pat Condell
10/25/16
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCul_DIM_4
sfshooter
10-29-2016, 00:43
That foreigner said it very clearly! It's amazing how our allies see so clearly what is happening to our country.......I guess because they let it happen to theirs and they have the experience to speak out.
I have had the Team Sergeants view point since the last two elections. I don't trust the voters of this country. People don't know hardship anymore and the freebies are being handed out everywhere. Why change things....lets vote for that person who is going to keep giving us free shit!
I think I have CBTENGR'S feeling about the outcome (overwhelming support for Trump) about the election, but then I am in an area which is sparsely populated with people who work the land for a living......I think I am biased. 1, maybe 2 out of all the people I interact with are liberal and I don't think they like Hitllary.
I have had the Team Sergeants view point since the last two elections. I don't trust the voters of this country. People don't know hardship anymore and the freebies are being handed out everywhere. Why change things....lets vote for that person who is going to keep giving us free shit!
Actually from what I see in my AO, it isn't about free shit, as much as it is about continuing down the same path so things can continue as usual for them. Also at play for many of the 'educated' and metrosexual classes voting for a repugnant man such as Trump is beneath them whereas they find comfort in Hillary because they feel she breathes the same air and speaks the same language as they do.
ddoering
10-29-2016, 07:50
I have zero confidence in the American people, zero. .
Add to that a corrupt voting system controlled by the two corrupt political parties.
sfshooter
10-29-2016, 12:16
You're right Paslode. Most people don't care about issues as long as it seems that it doesn't bother their lifestyle. There are people I know who think Hillary really won't ban guns or destroy the economy further. Not that they are going to vote for her, they just don't see it, her, or that liberal/socialist mindset as a real threat.
All of the news that happens is a long ways from them so they aren't as fired up about things because they don't think it affects their life.
It would take a real tragedy, one that hits close to home, before people like this wake up to what's going on............unfortunately.
Badger52
10-29-2016, 13:44
You're right Paslode. Most people don't care about issues as long as it seems that it doesn't bother their lifestyle. There are people I know who think Hillary really won't ban guns or destroy the economy further. Not that they are going to vote for her, they just don't see it, her, or that liberal/socialist mindset as a real threat.
All of the news that happens is a long ways from them so they aren't as fired up about things because they don't think it affects their life.
It would take a real tragedy, one that hits close to home, before people like this wake up to what's going on............unfortunately.Little is covered for many decades in US & World History in terms of what happened and lessons that can be learned from it. And PC textbooks & folks that approve them don't help. (Not formal research on my part; anecdotal entirely from talking to young adults & grandkids regarding the pablum taught in many public schools these days.)
"Lincoln freed the slaves, FDR saved the world & Stalin was an ally that later wasn't a nice guy 'cause he wanted a bomb too. Now where's my "safe space?"
:rolleyes:
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Old Dog New Trick
10-31-2016, 14:33
Huma Abedin - a 19y/o WH intern during the WJC presidency? Later becoming the right hand person to the escalating HRC through senatorial elections and a cabinet level of the highest order SecState? So close in fact, WJC officiated your wedding like an internal family affair, and being closer (enough to be called a daughter) to know more about HRC than perhaps even Chelsea knows. Speaking of Chelsea, is there any connection to the two or both marrying Jewish men when it probably went against your family values/wishes?
Born in America, raised from a young age in Saudi Arabia before returning to a place most will never see...The Oval Office. And gaining such a coveted position that you or your husband were entrusted to sensitive and classified State Department emails on a privately owned computer?
Is there anything you'd like to share with us? (CNN doesn't seem to know very much about you...either)
Where have you gone??? (Are you missing or in the WPP (Witness Protection Program) learning to speak Amish High German?
Yup, the debates were fair...
CNN cuts all ties with Democratic Party chief Donna Brazile after hacked email shows she leaked a SECOND debate question to Hillary's campaign
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890588/CNN-cuts-ties-Democratic-Party-chief-Donna-Brazile-hacked-email-shows-leaked-SECOND-debate-question-Hillary-s-campaign.html